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Post by Big Ern on Jul 7, 2023 22:50:45 GMT 1
The 'above guys covering'....one of which was injured, one of which was on loan at Dundee Utd...... PANIC! Nakayama played some games at centre half, prior to injury and didn't exactly stand out.
No lets not disscuss the fact that, to do date we haven't strengthened in key areas. I mean last season we almost went down. The blind thought of it doesn't matter what squad Warnock has or is given, fuck it it's be rite he will keep us up. Is in my opinnion a very dangrous game, he earned the right to be back last year. 1-2 signings and we will be OK is a very dangrous game.
Warnock is good yes , in fact very good. The problem is that he be expected, to repeat last season's break neck finish thorughout the season? or even get close to it again ?
Its not a panick at all , i remember myself included who thought and and rightly so, that this squad is not good enough. I still believe it needs a big shake up to be anything better than a bottom 6/7 team.
Nakayama had never played in this country before and was shunted from centre to left and back again before knackering his leg. In that time he scored goals and looked threatening. One player I do not have concerns about is him. I think he will prove to be a very very good player.
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Post by ldotm on Jul 7, 2023 23:51:49 GMT 1
The 'above guys covering'....one of which was injured, one of which was on loan at Dundee Utd...... PANIC! Nakayama played some games at centre half, prior to injury and didn't exactly stand out.
No lets not disscuss the fact that, to do date we haven't strengthened in key areas. I mean last season we almost went down. The blind thought of it doesn't matter what squad Warnock has or is given, fuck it it's be rite he will keep us up. Is in my opinnion a very dangrous game, he earned the right to be back last year. 1-2 signings and we will be OK is a very dangrous game.
Warnock is good yes , in fact very good. The problem is that he be expected, to repeat last season's break neck finish thorughout the season? or even get close to it again ?
Its not a panick at all , i remember myself included who thought and and rightly so, that this squad is not good enough. I still believe it needs a big shake up to be anything better than a bottom 6/7 team.
It’s basically the same squad that got us to the playoff final a few seasons ago minus Colwill, O’Brien and Toff. Yes, all quality players but needing a shake up is nonsense. A lot of these players proved that season and the end of last season that they are more than capable in this division. The majority of last season proved just how pivotal a strong management and coaching team can have on a group of players - structure, tactics, belief, morale etc.. We have a manager that has seen it all in this division, he will be working with the recruitment team to get in the right players, not rush and purchase the wrong fit. We have a month to go before the season starts, relax my friend.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 8, 2023 7:00:32 GMT 1
The 'above guys covering'....one of which was injured, one of which was on loan at Dundee Utd...... PANIC! Nakayama played some games at centre half, prior to injury and didn't exactly stand out. No lets not disscuss the fact that, to do date we haven't strengthened in key areas. I mean last season we almost went down. The blind thought of it doesn't matter what squad Warnock has or is given, fuck it it's be rite he will keep us up. Is in my opinnion a very dangrous game, he earned the right to be back last year. 1-2 signings and we will be OK is a very dangrous game.
Warnock is good yes , in fact very good. The problem is that he be expected, to repeat last season's break neck finish thorughout the season? or even get close to it again ? Its not a panick at all , i remember myself included who thought and and rightly so, that this squad is not good enough. I still believe it needs a big shake up to be anything better than a bottom 6/7 team.
None of that is relevant to my post 😴
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Post by duncfost01 on Jul 8, 2023 7:31:22 GMT 1
Holmes to Preston ? Can’t see it being discussed anywhere or is it on a sub-sub-sub board ?
Lees out is a blow but maybe the chance ayina? Although did I read he didn’t get a squad number ?
There isn’t a chance that Lewis is coming back.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 8, 2023 7:40:33 GMT 1
Of course I'd like more but Warnock is a clever guy and wouldn't join a sinking ship. In 2021/22 we had a great team spirit and that hasn't gone. NW brought it back in those final games and we were a match for anyone. We lean increasingly on the academy and a big part of that youth recruitment is "Terrier Spirit" - they really look for attitude first and players who will graft and roll their sleeves up. I think NW has seen something there
He played a 3-5-2 and with our squad as it is it doesn't look a bad side
Nicholls
Yuta (or Lees) Pearson Helik
Headley Hogg Rudoni Kasumu Thomas
Ward Koroma
(Lots of good variations on 442 and 343 as well)
Leaving REG, Diarra, Camara, Ruffels, Turton, Jackson on the bench (all played 20 plus times at this level). And if they stay Rhodes, Holmes, Boyle, High, Mahoney and if they go replacements
There's also Jones, Harratt, Spencer and Simpson who could kick on - but they need a pathway. Ayina and Asterfield may yet show enough in pre-season as well both had loans at a good level so might not be far from stepping up
And he's already said we'll add a couple more even without transfers out
The first 14 or 15 names are very solid at this level. We have have a half a dozen very promising youngsters and half a dozen ideally we'd move on to free up budget
With one of the best managers at this level ever. We should be okay
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Post by specialun on Jul 8, 2023 8:18:59 GMT 1
We’re clearly financially constrained so no point wittering we haven’t brought in 3/4 already
We obviously need a few more attacking options - ideally 9 / wide / creative mid but may have to settle for a couple of them and be patient getting them
Holmes is a perfect impact sub given versatility but I’m not losing sleep if he moves on - he’s had a number of moments but nowhere near enough & we’re not getting value for money from him.
If selling him frees up funds for what we need to prioritise then it’s a sensible decision
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Post by dbterrier32 on Jul 8, 2023 8:23:25 GMT 1
I know this is not really to do with specific transfers but it is in response to the budget posts a few pages back.
What would fans prefer?
1 - to be run as we are and seemingly without a decent budget, but with £249 season cards.
2 - to be run with a much bigger transfer kitty but that then means Kevin puts the season card prices up? What would be an acceptable increase? I think we will see sharp increases next year. I think £100 more would be a realistic increase but any more and I would consider if I'd renew.
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Jul 8, 2023 8:28:20 GMT 1
I know this is not really to do with specific transfers but it is in response to the budget posts a few pages back. What would fans prefer? 1 - to be run as we are and seemingly without a decent budget, but with £249 season cards. 2 - to be run with a much bigger transfer kitty but that then means Kevin puts the season card prices up? What would be an acceptable increase? I think we will see sharp increases next year. I think £100 more would be a realistic increase but any more and I would consider if I'd renew. We have around 16,000 season ticket holders so that only adds £1.6m. Take into account that some of them are child’s tickets and you are getting £1.5m or less from that rise. It would allow us to buy a player for £1m and pay him for a year. Given transfer fees at the moment it wouldn’t get us much. Not sure many would want to pay the extra £100 if that is all we get.
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Post by dbterrier32 on Jul 8, 2023 8:39:17 GMT 1
I know this is not really to do with specific transfers but it is in response to the budget posts a few pages back. What would fans prefer? 1 - to be run as we are and seemingly without a decent budget, but with £249 season cards. 2 - to be run with a much bigger transfer kitty but that then means Kevin puts the season card prices up? What would be an acceptable increase? I think we will see sharp increases next year. I think £100 more would be a realistic increase but any more and I would consider if I'd renew. We have around 16,000 season ticket holders so that only adds £1.6m. Take into account that some of them are child’s tickets and you are getting £1.5m or less from that rise. It would allow us to buy a player for £1m and pay him for a year. Given transfer fees at the moment it wouldn’t get us much. Not sure many would want to pay the extra £100 if that is all we get. Then maybe they will look to increase it considerably more than that. I hope not, as dont want Kevin to put us with the likes of Sheff Wed charging £5,000 and a right arm per game ! I know we need to improve the revenue streams all over the club, but that is a massive task. The retail alone is a bigger task than just saying sell more. We need a much, much better range of merchandise. The items we have available is absolutely appalling. Its cheap t shirts with things screen printed on. I would like to see a much bigger range of umbro stuff but I dont think we have the clout to ask for that or even sell that much to make it financially viable for the club.
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Post by rockwall on Jul 8, 2023 8:42:53 GMT 1
Holmes to Preston ? Can’t see it being discussed anywhere or is it on a sub-sub-sub board ? Lees out is a blow but maybe the chance ayina? Although did I read he didn’t get a squad number ? There isn’t a chance that Lewis is coming back. It is actually discussed on this board a couple of pages back. Maynard liked it too
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Post by benhomly on Jul 8, 2023 8:56:59 GMT 1
We have around 16,000 season ticket holders so that only adds £1.6m. Take into account that some of them are child’s tickets and you are getting £1.5m or less from that rise. It would allow us to buy a player for £1m and pay him for a year. Given transfer fees at the moment it wouldn’t get us much. Not sure many would want to pay the extra £100 if that is all we get. Then maybe they will look to increase it considerably more than that. I hope not, as dont want Kevin to put us with the likes of Sheff Wed charging £5,000 and a right arm per game ! I know we need to improve the revenue streams all over the club, but that is a massive task. The retail alone is a bigger task than just saying sell more. We need a much, much better range of merchandise. The items we have available is absolutely appalling. Its cheap t shirts with things screen printed on. I would like to see a much bigger range of umbro stuff but I dont think we have the clout to ask for that or even sell that much to make it financially viable for the club. 18,000 @ £249 comes to £4.5m (and like the other poster said it wouldn't be that anyway because of junior prices). If they put it up considerably to say £500, how many do you think they'll sell? 10,000 tops would give £5m. Not much of a transfer kitty. You can't say that we'd sell more tickets match by match and use that for the kitty because it's not guaranteed income and if we were having a crap season we wouldn't sell too many more anyway. So putting season ticket prices up considerably would make little or no difference. They need to look at other ways of generating income, which is what they're doing.
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Post by duncfost01 on Jul 8, 2023 9:26:04 GMT 1
So reading all the posts on here.
Dean submitted a budget, which means despite having a new rich owner, we can’t spend any money ?
Why ?
The potless / Dean saga just goes on and on…
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Post by ram on Jul 8, 2023 10:27:35 GMT 1
Based on what I read on here,we are really only financially fit for Div.1. Regarding ST prices and revenue.I guess it just depends on how much one wants a football club to follow, is how much you pay for an ST. Sounds to me like we might as well have been relegated...Tin hat at the ready.
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Post by wildhogg on Jul 8, 2023 11:00:38 GMT 1
I'm sure we'll pull some interesting rabbits out of the hat over the next month or so. You don't need to spend megabucks to strengthen a team at this level if you have the right management/coaching in place. I'd maybe expect to see a couple of decent, low-key free transfers and one money signing (likely a big striker) who'll get the fans a bit excited.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jul 8, 2023 11:10:46 GMT 1
I'm sure we'll pull some interesting rabbits out of the hat over the next month or so. You don't need to spend megabucks to strengthen a team at this level if you have the right management/coaching in place. I'd maybe expect to see a couple of decent, low-key free transfers and one money signing (likely a big striker) who'll get the fans a bit excited. This is my expectation also. Let’s ignore the top 4-6 spenders. They’re out of our league in terms of spending power. Beyond the Leicesters, Southamptons etc, we’re probably all playing similar games right now with regards to cutting our cloth accordingly and getting value for money for the right characters we want around the place.
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 8, 2023 11:50:18 GMT 1
If Lees is only out for a few months then what's the issue? We have Helik, Pearson then.... * Nakayama * Boyle * REG * Hogg can drop into the centre of a 3 * Ayina reportedly improved enormously at Dundee Utd and was trusted in some big games for them. If you're worried about CB you must be shitting it about the rest of the positions on the field! Think the issue is, last season when one of our "main" centre half's was out, non of the guys stated stepped up enough. When pearon came back into the team we were what 7 points adrift at the botom of the league, with the above guys "covering". I hadn't thought of it like that before and I see what you're saying, but... * For some of that time we didn't have Helik either. * As bad as we were throughout the rest of the side, defensively we were ok under Buzz. * We had Luke Mbete in the side, who was excruciatingly bad.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jul 8, 2023 12:05:26 GMT 1
Think the issue is, last season when one of our "main" centre half's was out, non of the guys stated stepped up enough. When pearon came back into the team we were what 7 points adrift at the botom of the league, with the above guys "covering". I hadn't thought of it like that before and I see what you're saying, but... * For some of that time we didn't have Helik either. * As bad as we were throughout the rest of the side, defensively we were ok under Buzz. * We had Luke Mbete in the side, who was excruciatingly bad. I understand your points, i still think even with the 3 estabilsed centre halfs, that we need another proper champ level centre half. That is even if Lees is injured or not.
:REG never played centre half , when warnock came in for a reason. Warnock played him at right back or as a hybrid right back/ extra 6 alongside hogg. :Nakayama is coming back from a huge injury, its a lot to ask of him to hit the ground running.Also for his nation he plays left back, not centre half.
:Boyle is never and was never good enough for the champ level, hence he never even appeared on the bench, under Warnock.
: Anyina is a youngster and needs regular game time out on loan.
: Hogg can cover, its again a stretch for him at his age and also , if he covers we lose him in his proper position? :Last season although we stayed up and warnock did incredibly well, if i am right in saying we kept 3 clean sheets. This has to improve massively.
: i am sure if Lees is out for a long period of time, Warnock will be seriously assessing the options and will not rest on the o it will be rite approach.
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 8, 2023 12:13:43 GMT 1
I hadn't thought of it like that before and I see what you're saying, but... * For some of that time we didn't have Helik either. * As bad as we were throughout the rest of the side, defensively we were ok under Buzz. * We had Luke Mbete in the side, who was excruciatingly bad. I understand your points, i still think even with the 3 estabilsed centre halfs, that we need another proper champ level centre half. That is even if Lees is injured or not.
:REG never played centre half , when warnock came in for a reason. Warnock played him at right back or as a hybrid right back/ extra 6 alongside hogg. :Nakayama is coming back from a huge injury, its a lot to ask of him to hit the ground running.Also for his nation he plays left back, not centre half.
:Boyle is never and was never good enough for the champ level, hence he never even appeared on the bench, under Warnock.
: Anyina is a youngster and needs regular game time out on loan.
: Hogg can cover, its again a stretch for him at his age and also , if he covers we lose him in his proper position? :Last season although we stayed up and warnock did incredibly well, if i am right in saying we kept 3 clean sheets. This has to improve massively.
: i am sure if Lees is out for a long period of time, Warnock will be seriously assessing the options and will not rest on the o it will be rite approach.
Boyle didn't play under Warnock because Lees, Helik and Pearson were all available. He's no world beater but as a 5th choice he's not THAT bad. Did pretty well vs Blackburn IIRC. Given that we have a limited budget I would suggest that GK, RB, CM, CF and a couple of wingers are higher priority - and I don't think we'll get all of them.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jul 8, 2023 12:23:09 GMT 1
I understand your points, i still think even with the 3 estabilsed centre halfs, that we need another proper champ level centre half. That is even if Lees is injured or not.
:REG never played centre half , when warnock came in for a reason. Warnock played him at right back or as a hybrid right back/ extra 6 alongside hogg. :Nakayama is coming back from a huge injury, its a lot to ask of him to hit the ground running.Also for his nation he plays left back, not centre half.
:Boyle is never and was never good enough for the champ level, hence he never even appeared on the bench, under Warnock.
: Anyina is a youngster and needs regular game time out on loan.
: Hogg can cover, its again a stretch for him at his age and also , if he covers we lose him in his proper position? :Last season although we stayed up and warnock did incredibly well, if i am right in saying we kept 3 clean sheets. This has to improve massively.
: i am sure if Lees is out for a long period of time, Warnock will be seriously assessing the options and will not rest on the o it will be rite approach.
Boyle didn't play under Warnock because Lees, Helik and Pearson were all available. He's no world beater but as a 5th choice he's not THAT bad. Did pretty well vs Blackburn IIRC. Given that we have a limited budget I would suggest that GK, RB, CM, CF and a couple of wingers are higher priority - and I don't think we'll get all of them. I agree with your points.
It just highlights the rather poor recuritment of the previous year. That you would say we are still needing the same positions as the previous year.
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Jul 8, 2023 13:50:39 GMT 1
If we don’t sign a couple of decent players with actual money then all the momentum we’ve built up these last few months will disappear
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jul 8, 2023 13:56:59 GMT 1
I really hope we don't have a tighter budget than last year. We need to kick on. I read in to Nagle's comments only that he's hoping to increase off the field revenues which would allow us to spend even more under FFP, not that we were operating on a reduced budget which let's face it has been far too low recently already. Expecting a push for play offs this year. We need to stop pissing around and get a good bloody proven striker bought for a start who can lead our line for the next 2-3 years. Neil on TalkSport this morning saying due to EFL constraints we don't have money to spend this season I always understood it to be that new owners were giving an extra allowance under ffp for investment. Basically, they accept new owners will be looking to inject cash etc. I have never heard of budgets being submitted and that they must be stuck to irrelevant of ffp or new owners etc.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jul 8, 2023 14:05:53 GMT 1
We're not close to losing £13m are we? No chance. Not while there is still money coming in from Grant and Billing transfers O'brien, Toffolo. Forest staying up extra cash too. Cody sell on. Looking rosy
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 8, 2023 14:05:58 GMT 1
Neil on TalkSport this morning saying due to EFL constraints we don't have money to spend this season I always understood it to be that new owners were giving an extra allowance under ffp for investment. Basically, they accept new owners will be looking to inject cash etc. I have never heard of budgets being submitted and that they must be stuck to irrelevant of ffp or new owners etc. FFP does include all existing and any new income and investment, its therefore over set periods and includes all financial dealings during it. Wether that outweighs a change of ownership and the original budget entered with the EFL I dont know? The bit that bothers me is what if you sell a player or players for millions after you submit your original budget, are you not allowed to spend it?? Seems to me the same thing if you change ownership and further investment is GUARANTEED??
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jul 8, 2023 14:22:30 GMT 1
I always understood it to be that new owners were giving an extra allowance under ffp for investment. Basically, they accept new owners will be looking to inject cash etc. I have never heard of budgets being submitted and that they must be stuck to irrelevant of ffp or new owners etc. FFP does include all existing and any new income and investment, its therefore over set periods and includes all financial dealings during it. Wether that outweighs a change of ownership and the original budget entered with the EFL I dont know? The bit that bothers me is what if you sell a player or players for millions after you submit your original budget, are you not allowed to spend it?? Seems to me the same thing if you change ownership and further investment is GUARANTEED?? All a bit of a mystery. Warnock and Jepson won't be coming cheap that's for sure.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 8, 2023 14:26:53 GMT 1
Neil on TalkSport this morning saying due to EFL constraints we don't have money to spend this season I always understood it to be that new owners were giving an extra allowance under ffp for investment. Basically, they accept new owners will be looking to inject cash etc. I have never heard of budgets being submitted and that they must be stuck to irrelevant of ffp or new owners etc. It does seem odd, really odd, especially as someone also suggested it's because we budgeted on being in League One. Loads of clubs won't have been sure of their division until after the submission 🤷♂️ I'd be interested to hear more.
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Post by Lovechops on Jul 8, 2023 14:57:43 GMT 1
Pep stated end of last season that he thought NW was an incredible manager , wonder if he thinks he’s that incredible he’ll give him Cole Palmer for a season as apparently he wants him to go out on loan 😂🤣
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 8, 2023 15:15:23 GMT 1
Pep stated end of last season that he thought NW was an incredible manager , wonder if he thinks he’s that incredible he’ll give him Cole Palmer for a season as apparently he wants him to go out on loan 😂🤣 He'd be a brilliant loan but I think a premier league team will end up bringing him in for the season.
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Post by Wingman on Jul 8, 2023 15:49:45 GMT 1
That’s really bad news if true, he definitely won’t be smiling now can the Chinese lad play CB ? Buzz, is that you? How’s the gardening going? Yes, Yuta can play LCB or LB.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 8, 2023 16:02:47 GMT 1
can the Chinese lad play CB ? Buzz, is that you? How’s the gardening going? Yes, Yuta can play LCB or LB. 'The Chinese lad' ffs 🙈🤣
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Post by rockwall on Jul 8, 2023 16:22:00 GMT 1
can the Chinese lad play CB ? Buzz, is that you? How’s the gardening going? Yes, Yuta can play LCB or LB. If you're going to come on here being a wum, at least get somebody's nationality correct.
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