k1man999
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Post by k1man999 on Jul 10, 2023 22:17:14 GMT 1
Get some cash in ,decent sell on clause, Everyone is happy. I'm not right sure that we'll get anything like what he's worth. Sorry, he's 'worth' what the market is willing to pay, but in spite of his undoubted potential, I can't see him commanding much of a fee. I can't see us getting loads either but a good sell on clause should be put in. Something is better than nowt if he wants out.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 11, 2023 0:14:14 GMT 1
Get some cash in ,decent sell on clause, Everyone is happy. I'm not right sure that we'll get anything like what he's worth. Sorry, he's 'worth' what the market is willing to pay, but in spite of his undoubted potential, I can't see him commanding much of a fee. Me neither. He hasnt really done a lot in the game and 2nd half of the season couldn't get in the team or even on the bench for a side that was at the arse end of the table. The lads got potential but thats all it is ..lots of lads his age have potential. Think if anyones expecting us to get millions for him they'll be hugely disappointed myself. If he doesn't want to be here, then get what we can and move on.
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 11, 2023 0:55:41 GMT 1
I'm not right sure that we'll get anything like what he's worth. Sorry, he's 'worth' what the market is willing to pay, but in spite of his undoubted potential, I can't see him commanding much of a fee. Me neither. He hasnt really done a lot in the game and 2nd half of the season couldn't get in the team or even on the bench for a side that was at the arse end of the table. The lads got potential but thats all it is ..lots of lads his age have potential. Think if anyones expecting us to get millions for him they'll be hugely disappointed myself. If he doesn't want to be here, then get what we can and move on. I think it would be a low transfer fee with a huge sell on clause
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Post by melbourneterrier on Jul 11, 2023 6:26:36 GMT 1
Rhodes Holmes Mahoney Boyle High Camara Kieran Phillips? Where is Lees? Turton injured Diarra still away. Everyone else appears to be in the video Truth be told, none of those are irreplaceable. Rhodes doesn't seem to factor in to NWs plans and is on the wrong end of his career. Gun finisher, and I wouldn't question his legacy but I imagine he's on a fairly decent wage Holmes can be very hit or miss, some days he can be extremely good, other times not so much. If he goes, I'd like to see us bring in someone of proven quality, he's one that would need replacing (ideally an upgrade) Mahoney....so far down the pecking order. Boyle, decent for a back up but would he be missed? Especially with Yuta back who can play CB, almost feels like a new signing. High - I honestly don't really rate him. Nothing against the lad at all, and I do wish him the best if he were to leave but I just feel we need better. Camara - If he doesn't want to be here, and we can get a decent chunk and/or a really good sell on clause, then it's probably best he left. No doubting there is a very good footballer there. Phillips - Is one who I always thought would make it, but he hasn't really shown it. At 23, I do question how long do we give him. My hope is we keep him on, potentially loan him to a League One team where he can prove himself. Rhodes to be replaced by a new striker Holmes would need replacing Mahoney wouldn't Boyle wouldn't when you include the return of Nakayama and the emergence of Ayina. REG will likely feature more from here on in as well If High and Camera both go, we'd need reinforcements Phillips wouldn't need replacing
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Post by duncfost01 on Jul 11, 2023 6:52:29 GMT 1
To Camara’s agent : The lad isn’t championship ready. He drifted in and out of games. Stop trying to earn a buck and let warnock get hold of him for a year. He will be better player.
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Tinpot
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 11, 2023 9:07:49 GMT 1
Problem with Camara staying for a year is that if he's shit, it's a waste, and if he's brilliant then he's at he end of his contract next summer and leaves for a pittance (not nothing - he's under 24).
If he won't extend his contract this summer, ship him out for whatever we can get - preferably with as big a sell on clause as possible.
We're unlikely to get what his potential says he'd be worth though. Whoever signs him is getting a bargain.
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Post by rockwall on Jul 11, 2023 9:31:39 GMT 1
Problem with Camara staying for a year is that if he's shit, it's a waste, and if he's brilliant then he's at he end of his contract next summer and leaves for a pittance (not nothing - he's under 24). If he won't extend his contract this summer, ship him out for whatever we can get - preferably with as big a sell on clause as possible. We're unlikely to get what his potential says he'd be worth though. Whoever signs him is getting a bargain. 1m with a 20% sell on. And the sell on that includes future transfers too!
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Post by araucaria on Jul 11, 2023 9:59:35 GMT 1
Problem with Camara staying for a year is that if he's shit, it's a waste, and if he's brilliant then he's at he end of his contract next summer and leaves for a pittance (not nothing - he's under 24). If he won't extend his contract this summer, ship him out for whatever we can get - preferably with as big a sell on clause as possible. We're unlikely to get what his potential says he'd be worth though. Whoever signs him is getting a bargain. 1m with a 20% sell on. And the sell on that includes future transfers too! Hope Kevin saw our extended debate about this.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 11, 2023 10:01:25 GMT 1
1m with a 20% sell on. And the sell on that includes future transfers too! Hope Kevin saw our extended debate about this. I'll tweet him
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Post by runner76 on Jul 11, 2023 12:04:23 GMT 1
Is this the latest point we’ve signed anyone?…..
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ambryboy
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Post by ambryboy on Jul 11, 2023 12:09:34 GMT 1
Is this the latest point we’ve signed anyone?….. I think Helik arrived more or less on transfer deadline day so no it's not.
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Post by hartyhtfc on Jul 11, 2023 14:25:51 GMT 1
Seems we're in a bit of an odd spot, as a few clubs will be. Until recently, the Brexit transfer rules meant that cheaper, more plentiful foreign players were off the table, restricting the realistic market of where Championship teams would be shopping to essentially other Championship clubs, lower league upstarts or Premier League rejects.
This seemed to have the effect of any half decent Championship player out of contract wanting to shop around and get the best deal they can, as these players were now at a premium. We've seen this with JK and DW taking a second to look around before re-signing.
As of now, the Brexit rules have now been reversed, but there are still a few free agents knocking around, waiting as long as possible to get the best deal they can. Meanwhile, foreign scouting and deals will take a while to get sorted, whilst with our small budget, any deals for contracted players will have to wait and wait, as teams wait for better offers, or to sign replacements. E.g. last year, Barnsley will have been waiting and waiting to see if a better deal came in for Helik, but in the end we were the best option.
So essentially we'll currently be working out a deal for free agents, hoping they commit to us soon and don't get a better offer. Or we'll be looking abroad for a bargain or loan.
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Post by rockwall on Jul 11, 2023 14:34:59 GMT 1
Is this the latest point we’ve signed anyone?….. We signed Ruffels.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Jul 11, 2023 14:53:53 GMT 1
Is this the latest point we’ve signed anyone?….. I think Helik arrived more or less on transfer deadline day so no it's not. Presumably runner76 meant that this is the latest into the window that we've NOT signed anyone
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Post by calken on Jul 11, 2023 14:54:34 GMT 1
Is this the latest point we’ve signed anyone?….. We signed Ruffels. Sky doesn't acknowledge that we signed him, only released him: Championship Ins and Outs
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Post by paulmat on Jul 11, 2023 14:57:53 GMT 1
I think one factor in the delay in signing players is the position we're in this summer. We don't need increased squad depth, we don't need project players for the future, we need 3-4 quality, ready made first team players. What quality we can get may be dependent on who we can shift out first.
I don't think it's necessarily the case that we can't sign a striker without offloading Rhodes, but perhaps (and I'm picking random wage figures from the air here), at the moment we could bring in a striker on 5k a week, but if Rhodes moves on we can bring in a striker on £10k a week. What we really don't need this summer, is to sign a £5k a week striker, sell Rhodes and then sign another £5k a week striker. What we really don't need is to waste money on free transfers like we did with Boyle or Mahoney last year who aren't going to improve the first 11.
We've lost very little in the way of first 11 players since last year, and have plenty of youngsters looking for a chance. What we need is a couple of quality additions, and if we have to be patient and move players out to maximise what we can get in I'd rather we did that.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jul 11, 2023 14:58:30 GMT 1
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calken
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Post by calken on Jul 11, 2023 15:03:56 GMT 1
We've lost very little in the way of first 11 players since last year, and have plenty of youngsters looking for a chance. What we need is a couple of quality additions, and if we have to be patient and move players out to maximise what we can get in I'd rather we did that. Normally, I would say that you would lose since your squad are all a year older. Since a large proportion of our team is quite young, we have possibly improved.
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Post by arroloui on Jul 11, 2023 15:08:38 GMT 1
Holmes was our best player for a lot of last season b4 warnock came back he was one of a very few that was bothered to try .
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Post by daltonterrier44 on Jul 11, 2023 15:30:31 GMT 1
surly this means we’ve freed up some cash to sign someone now? 🙄
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Post by dbterrier32 on Jul 11, 2023 16:42:42 GMT 1
Is this the latest point we’ve signed anyone?….. I think Helik arrived more or less on transfer deadline day so no it's not. We signed Helik in the January window not the summer one
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Jul 11, 2023 16:49:59 GMT 1
I think Helik arrived more or less on transfer deadline day so no it's not. We signed Helik in the January window not the summer one No we didn't, it was the summer window
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jul 11, 2023 16:50:04 GMT 1
I think Helik arrived more or less on transfer deadline day so no it's not. We signed Helik in the January window not the summer one No we defo signed Helik in the summer window, we signed him on the same days as mbete and Simpson.
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Post by Benhamer1 on Jul 11, 2023 16:51:09 GMT 1
I think Helik arrived more or less on transfer deadline day so no it's not. We signed Helik in the January window not the summer one Really? Why post things if you cant get your fucking facts right and saying it with ultimate conviction that you are right embarrassing this place at times
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 16:59:38 GMT 1
We signed Helik in the January window not the summer one Really? Why post things if you cant get your fucking facts right and saying it with ultimate conviction that you are right embarrassing this place at times Seems to me like the guy might have made an honest mistake (regarding when a transfer happened). I'm not sure how you test for 'ultimate conviction'. I think your post is the one that gets the tone wrong, myself... Chill.
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Post by Wingman on Jul 11, 2023 17:33:24 GMT 1
We signed Helik in the January window not the summer one Really? Why post things if you cant get your fucking facts right and saying it with ultimate conviction that you are right embarrassing this place at times Bit OTT as a reaction, hardly worth the personal insults.
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Post by dbterrier32 on Jul 11, 2023 17:36:35 GMT 1
We signed Helik in the January window not the summer one Really? Why post things if you cant get your fucking facts right and saying it with ultimate conviction that you are right embarrassing this place at times Fucking hell somebody’s a little angry aren’t they
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Post by dbterrier32 on Jul 11, 2023 17:39:12 GMT 1
We signed Helik in the January window not the summer one No we didn't, it was the summer window My apologies, I was wrong. My ultimate conviction was wrong!
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Post by rockwall on Jul 11, 2023 17:50:31 GMT 1
Really? Why post things if you cant get your fucking facts right and saying it with ultimate conviction that you are right embarrassing this place at times Fucking hell somebody’s a little angry aren’t they That reply was worse than the man Hamer himself.
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Post by daltonterrier44 on Jul 11, 2023 18:00:02 GMT 1
If that got a reaction out of you like that I bet you was nearly smashing seats watching us play last season…. We signed Helik in the January window not the summer one Really? Why post things if you cant get your fucking facts right and saying it with ultimate conviction that you are right embarrassing this place at times
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