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Post by Porrohman on Jul 11, 2023 18:00:42 GMT 1
Holmes was our best player for a lot of last season b4 warnock came back he was one of a very few that was bothered to try . Shows how bad we were
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Post by duncfost01 on Jul 11, 2023 18:12:20 GMT 1
Holmes isn’t worth the money we are paying him and neither is Rhodes - given that we are under financial hardship.
Thank god we have warnock.
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Post by arroloui on Jul 11, 2023 18:56:49 GMT 1
Holmes isn’t worth the money we are paying him and neither is Rhodes - given that we are under financial hardship. Thank god we have warnock. What's Holmes and Rhodes getting paid I didn't know you that you new ?
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Post by duncfost01 on Jul 11, 2023 19:06:40 GMT 1
Holmes isn’t worth the money we are paying him and neither is Rhodes - given that we are under financial hardship. Thank god we have warnock. What's Holmes and Rhodes getting paid I didn't know you that you new ? think its obvious considering neither went to Cornwall.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jul 11, 2023 19:08:21 GMT 1
What's Holmes and Rhodes getting paid I didn't know you that you new ? think its obvious considering neither went to Cornwall. The consensus of opinnion, among the "ikn" posers. Is that Holmes and Rhodes are amoungst the top 3/4 earners.
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Post by arroloui on Jul 11, 2023 20:02:02 GMT 1
think its obvious considering neither went to Cornwall. The consensus of opinnion, among the "ikn" posers. Is that Holmes and Rhodes are amoungst the top 3/4 earners. Pay peanuts you know what you get
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Post by arroloui on Jul 11, 2023 20:05:32 GMT 1
A loads of William Boyles
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Post by Wingman on Jul 11, 2023 20:41:35 GMT 1
If you’ve read the Examiner piece today about Town’s finances, and if you’re willing to accept their take, it’s clear why Town want the big earners off the books and a cheap season this year.
I can’t argue with it after reading the article.
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Post by dbterrier32 on Jul 11, 2023 20:56:17 GMT 1
If you’ve read the Examiner piece today about Town’s finances, and if you’re willing to accept their take, it’s clear why Town want the big earners off the books and a cheap season this year. I can’t argue with it after reading the article. It also confirms any fee we receive for players (in this case Holmes) will go straight to re paying bank loans! So guessing it’ll be a free agent or loan replacement with the wages saved rather than paying a fee for a permanent replacement
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Post by King Curtis on Jul 11, 2023 21:11:20 GMT 1
If you’ve read the Examiner piece today about Town’s finances, and if you’re willing to accept their take, it’s clear why Town want the big earners off the books and a cheap season this year. I can’t argue with it after reading the article. It also confirms any fee we receive for players (in this case Holmes) will go straight to re paying bank loans! So guessing it’ll be a free agent or loan replacement with the wages saved rather than paying a fee for a permanent replacement Bank loans? What bank loans? I feel like I should call you a moron or something to try to fit in to the spirit of things on this thread
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Post by jqhtfc on Jul 11, 2023 21:12:07 GMT 1
If you’ve read the Examiner piece today about Town’s finances, and if you’re willing to accept their take, it’s clear why Town want the big earners off the books and a cheap season this year. I can’t argue with it after reading the article. It also confirms any fee we receive for players (in this case Holmes) will go straight to re paying bank loans! So guessing it’ll be a free agent or loan replacement with the wages saved rather than paying a fee for a permanent replacement May have miss read it but didn’t it say some of the O’Brien/toffolo money went on clearing that bank debt
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Post by crux on Jul 11, 2023 21:13:42 GMT 1
If you’ve read the Examiner piece today about Town’s finances, and if you’re willing to accept their take, it’s clear why Town want the big earners off the books and a cheap season this year. I can’t argue with it after reading the article. It also confirms any fee we receive for players (in this case Holmes) will go straight to re paying bank loans! So guessing it’ll be a free agent or loan replacement with the wages saved rather than paying a fee for a permanent replacement Assuming the fee was/is over 4 years for O'brien & Toffolo, then the outstanding bank loan would be almost covered by the first installment of the fee received last summer. We'll still be running at a deficit, but not the £17M the Examiner implied. We will receive almost £5M TV/Solidarity money and allegedly the wage bill dropped significantly.
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Post by saintlyterrier on Jul 11, 2023 21:24:02 GMT 1
I may have missed the reference, but to which club would Rhodes go?
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jul 11, 2023 21:27:47 GMT 1
I may have missed the reference, but to which club would Rhodes go? MK Dons apparently .
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Post by saintlyterrier on Jul 11, 2023 21:38:21 GMT 1
I may have missed the reference, but to which club would Rhodes go? MK Dons apparently . Really. Thanks for that. A bit southern for him? (Midland anonymity to me...)
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Post by JuryDefender on Jul 11, 2023 22:27:18 GMT 1
Curious if our US regime's first move in the transfer market is to move on our only US international. Always liked Duane Holmes. He might have had a bridging role to play.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 11, 2023 22:35:38 GMT 1
Curious if our US regime's first move in the transfer market is to move on our only US international. Always liked Duane Holmes. He might have had a bridging role to play. It would've been a very small bridge or a very narrow river/road
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 11, 2023 23:14:47 GMT 1
Curious if our US regime's first move in the transfer market is to move on our only US international. Always liked Duane Holmes. He might have had a bridging role to play. He moved to Wakefield when he was 2. Played for the US twice in 2019. Not sure what kind of 'bridging role' he could play?
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Post by dbterrier32 on Jul 11, 2023 23:19:28 GMT 1
It also confirms any fee we receive for players (in this case Holmes) will go straight to re paying bank loans! So guessing it’ll be a free agent or loan replacement with the wages saved rather than paying a fee for a permanent replacement Bank loans? What bank loans? I feel like I should call you a moron or something to try to fit in to the spirit of things on this thread Read the Examiner’s article on the accounts. Shows we have £2.9m of bank loads outstanding. And any fees for players will go to servicing that debt. We won’t have any players valued at that, that we want to sell, so can’t see us spending much if anything really. I suppose it’s going to be a case of trying to do it cheaply this year until the FFP cycle starts again. Then Kev will be able to show his backing as won’t have the same restrictions
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Post by Drew Peacock on Jul 12, 2023 0:07:05 GMT 1
Bank loans? What bank loans? I feel like I should call you a moron or something to try to fit in to the spirit of things on this thread Read the Examiner’s article on the accounts. Shows we have £2.9m of bank loads outstanding. And any fees for players will go to servicing that debt. We won’t have any players valued at that, that we want to sell, so can’t see us spending much if anything really. I suppose it’s going to be a case of trying to do it cheaply this year until the FFP cycle starts again. Then Kev will be able to show his backing as won’t have the same restrictions Hopefully the bonus money from the Coady sale will clear a chunk of that off.
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Post by aca00js on Jul 12, 2023 0:38:15 GMT 1
Read the Examiner’s article on the accounts. Shows we have £2.9m of bank loads outstanding. And any fees for players will go to servicing that debt. We won’t have any players valued at that, that we want to sell, so can’t see us spending much if anything really. I suppose it’s going to be a case of trying to do it cheaply this year until the FFP cycle starts again. Then Kev will be able to show his backing as won’t have the same restrictions Hopefully the bonus money from the Coady sale will clear a chunk of that off. I'm pretty sure that information is at it stood at the end of the 21/22 season. Reported accounts lag 12 months
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Post by twyford on Jul 12, 2023 0:58:02 GMT 1
Bank loans? What bank loans? I feel like I should call you a moron or something to try to fit in to the spirit of things on this thread Read the Examiner’s article on the accounts. Shows we have £2.9m of bank loads outstanding. And any fees for players will go to servicing that debt. We won’t have any players valued at that, that we want to sell, so can’t see us spending much if anything really. I suppose it’s going to be a case of trying to do it cheaply this year until the FFP cycle starts again. Then Kev will be able to show his backing as won’t have the same restrictions It isn't a cycle - based on Incognito's posts in the Finances thread it's annual tests on rolling three year data.
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Post by duncfost01 on Jul 12, 2023 5:43:58 GMT 1
For some reason now I know the truth I find it much easier to accept the financial constraints we are under.
When you don’t know you just speculate/get frustrated and wonder.
We definitely need to take the cups more seriously this season - we have shown literally no interest in them for years. Surely another revenue stream ?
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jul 12, 2023 6:35:13 GMT 1
Bank loans? What bank loans? I feel like I should call you a moron or something to try to fit in to the spirit of things on this thread Read the Examiner’s article on the accounts. Shows we have £2.9m of bank loads outstanding. And any fees for players will go to servicing that debt. We won’t have any players valued at that, that we want to sell, so can’t see us spending much if anything really. I suppose it’s going to be a case of trying to do it cheaply this year until the FFP cycle starts again. Then Kev will be able to show his backing as won’t have the same restrictions That 2.9m was at the end of 21/22 which doesn't include the sales of Toff, O'brien or Russell so it SHOULD have been cleared by now.
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 12, 2023 6:53:59 GMT 1
Just a bit of necessary fat trimming. We should feel better for it.
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Post by dbterrier32 on Jul 12, 2023 6:57:37 GMT 1
Read the Examiner’s article on the accounts. Shows we have £2.9m of bank loads outstanding. And any fees for players will go to servicing that debt. We won’t have any players valued at that, that we want to sell, so can’t see us spending much if anything really. I suppose it’s going to be a case of trying to do it cheaply this year until the FFP cycle starts again. Then Kev will be able to show his backing as won’t have the same restrictions It isn't a cycle - based on Incognito's posts in the Finances thread it's annual tests on rolling three year data. No I know it’s not a cycle as such, but as per Steve Chickens article, this season will be impacting from the other 2 years and the loss of parachute payments means we could get close to the threshold of what we are allowed to lose. That’s why there are financial restrictions according to the article
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Post by haveitback on Jul 12, 2023 7:46:15 GMT 1
I'm sure I read an article recently which Kev stated the club was entirely debt free, No debt to DH no debt to banks anything it was a clean slate for the club.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jul 12, 2023 8:14:11 GMT 1
I'm sure I read an article recently which Kev stated the club was entirely debt free, No debt to DH no debt to banks anything it was a clean slate for the club. Clean slate but from day 1 surely we started accruing debt to Nagle?
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Post by JuryDefender on Jul 12, 2023 8:58:29 GMT 1
Curious if our US regime's first move in the transfer market is to move on our only US international. Always liked Duane Holmes. He might have had a bridging role to play. He moved to Wakefield when he was 2. Played for the US twice in 2019. Not sure what kind of 'bridging role' he could play? I once met him in the away stands with my son. He was very easy-going and personable. Imagine a video message from Duane to all Sacramento fans, talking about his appearances for the US national team ... might have fostered a sense of connection. But not if he's playing for PNE!
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Post by Next Manager coming soon on Jul 12, 2023 9:05:03 GMT 1
I'm sure I read an article recently which Kev stated the club was entirely debt free, No debt to DH no debt to banks anything it was a clean slate for the club. Clean slate but from day 1 surely we started accruing debt to Nagle? So neither of the above are relevant to the situation we are in FFP wise. We could be a 100 million in debt. The only figure the EFL would care about is what we paid back annually on that. In simple terms we are allowed to lose 39 million over 3 years which is a continuous rolling 3 years. So take these published accounts as year one. 1) 21/22 season. This is the year we got to the playoff final. And we had 17 million in parachute payments. We still made a loss of 4 million. 2) 22/23 season. These figures won’t be out til next year but this is the season just gone. You can estimate that if the wages were similar and our income was similar you’d have another 4 million loss but then we also had no parachute payments of 17 million so could in effect have lost 21 million last year. 3) that takes us to this season. If the above ball park figures are roughly accurate that means over 2 years we have lost 24-25 million. Which of course means this year we could only lose 15 million max before getting points deductions etc and that will be tough judging by what we actually make or bring in even without signings. It’s now obvious why we have no money to spend but the bigger issue is that Nagle said under financial constraints this year but as it’s a 3 year rolling process I think we will be in the same boat next year unless our revenue suddenly increases. I think we are going to have to bite the bullet for next year and increase prices for season tickets and merchandise. I also expect our good old pie and a pint going up by a quid or so which lets face it is the real scandal.
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