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Post by thomo on Sept 18, 2023 15:14:00 GMT 1
Patronising comment. It's about timing. The new manager has to work with a squad made up mainly of players that were failing to deal with the demands of the championship before Neil arrived. I don't think some fans comprehend how much Neil made bad players into good ones and how quickly that could be reversed. I feel the new manager could be in for a rude awakening and with 18 games until he can bring his own players in, we could be in the shit by Xmas. I'd have no problem if the new manager had 5 or 6 games before he could bring new players in. There's no good time for NW to go; Town fans' wouldn't be happy whatever. Time will tell. There's no point speculating over this scenario and that scenario. NW was here on an interim basis - he knew it, we knew it. The club think they have found the person they want to succeed NW, but have recognised that person wont wait or be available later - NW alluded to that by saying he couldn't stay beyond Stoke. The club feel that this person is too good to lose and have struck - if they don't strike, they're criticised for being ponderous and when they do its a disaster. If it wasn't amicable, NW wouldn't have stayed for either Rotherham or Stoke. He's disappointed because the club have been fair and honored their agreement with him, but it has come quicker than he expected. Why must Town fans always look for a conspiracy? Who mentioned conspiracy? Think many are simply questioning the judgement of our new chairman and directors. A new manager could be on a hiding to nothing without the ability to bring in his own players. It's 18 games he'll have until the transfer window opens - a huge and vital chunk of the season. I bet 95% of you would expect another sacking if we slip into the relegation zone within 10 games of the new man's tenure. An appointment closer to the transfer window would have made far more sense to at least give hope that we could change course with signings pretty quickly if the new man didn't get off to a good start. All I can assume is it's gotta be quite some appointment to do it now. I can't think of any manager who would be worth the upheaval at this point in time. But hope they prove me wrong.
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Post by sapphireblue on Sept 18, 2023 15:14:59 GMT 1
The lack of comprehension on here is truly amazing. All parties have been open and seemingly honest. I think this has been done sensitively and respectfully toward Neil and his team It's amazing how we all see things differently. I respect your opinions as a good poster, they are clearly handling this as diplomatically as possible, but reading Neil's comments, he's one unhappy bunny and there has been a fall out with him and R Kev. So Warnock is a liar then?
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Post by Up the Duff. on Sept 18, 2023 15:15:22 GMT 1
" I can't tell you who the new manager is because they've not told me, so I assume it's someone I don't like!" I thought he was supposed to be part of the process in selecting the next manager? Did he say that? Id assume it’ll be Mark Hughes then. Why does anyone seriously think it is Mark Hughes. He is on the verge of being sacked by Bradord.
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Post by goodbet on Sept 18, 2023 15:16:12 GMT 1
All this talk of aiming to get Town into the PL “within 3 years” is new from Nagle/Edwards isn’t it, unless I’m mistaken? That’s a laudable and not unrealistic ambition so you have to think that the new incoming manager has the capability to do that, and suggests they’ll be prepared to invest in the club in order to achieve it. In that respect I guess you could look at it as a positive on what I think is a pretty sad day. It a real shame I can’t be there on Wednesday night to say thanks and goodbye to NW and RJ New or old or whatever it is, the summer window does not reflect this 3 year aim.
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Post by Tiro on Sept 18, 2023 15:16:59 GMT 1
There's no good time for NW to go; Town fans' wouldn't be happy whatever. Time will tell. There's no point speculating over this scenario and that scenario. NW was here on an interim basis - he knew it, we knew it. The club think they have found the person they want to succeed NW, but have recognised that person wont wait or be available later - NW alluded to that by saying he couldn't stay beyond Stoke. The club feel that this person is too good to lose and have struck - if they don't strike, they're criticised for being ponderous and when they do its a disaster. If it wasn't amicable, NW wouldn't have stayed for either Rotherham or Stoke. He's disappointed because the club have been fair and honored their agreement with him, but it has come quicker than he expected. Why must Town fans always look for a conspiracy? Who mentioned conspiracy? Think many are simply questioning the judgement of our new chairman and directors. A new manager could be on a hiding to nothing without the ability to bring in his own players. It's 18 games he'll have until the transfer window opens - a huge and vital chunk of the season. I bet 95% of you would expect another sacking if we slip into the relegation zone within 10 games of the new man's tenure. An appointment closer to the transfer window would have made far more sense to at least give hope that we could change course with signings pretty quickly if the new man didn't get off to a good start. All I can assume is it's gotta be quite some appointment to do it now. I can't think of any manager who would be worth the upheaval at this point in time. But hope they prove me wrong. Have a read around the edges, there are plenty of conspiracies' and uniformed opinions / storylines to keep you entertained. As for the point around timing, that's been answered, hasn't it - they believe they have found the right person and the circumstances mean they have to do it now.
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Post by kyg on Sept 18, 2023 15:17:06 GMT 1
I think you can tell he’s a bit disappointed its over for him earlier than he thought it would be but if Kevin wants a three year plan to get to the Premier League and Warnock was only planning on staying a couple of more months there is no point in making the new guy wait. I just hope it’s a capable person and that he will be given the tools and the funds he needs to make us competitive at the top of the league.
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Post by kyg on Sept 18, 2023 15:22:55 GMT 1
Who mentioned conspiracy? Think many are simply questioning the judgement of our new chairman and directors. A new manager could be on a hiding to nothing without the ability to bring in his own players. It's 18 games he'll have until the transfer window opens - a huge and vital chunk of the season. I bet 95% of you would expect another sacking if we slip into the relegation zone within 10 games of the new man's tenure. An appointment closer to the transfer window would have made far more sense to at least give hope that we could change course with signings pretty quickly if the new man didn't get off to a good start. All I can assume is it's gotta be quite some appointment to do it now. I can't think of any manager who would be worth the upheaval at this point in time. But hope they prove me wrong. Have a read around the edges, there are plenty of conspiracies' and uniformed opinions / storylines to keep you entertained. As for the point around timing, that's been answered, hasn't it - they believe they have found the right person and the circumstances mean they have to do it now. Some people always have to have a criminal mastermind in charge they can focus all of their dislike on. Seems for many Nagle is that new man. I dont believe for a second that this is all about a tweet but so many people seem convinced it is. Warnock is a grown man and old school at that. I just hope whoever the new guy is he gets off to a decent start or the knives will be immediately out.
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Post by mids on Sept 18, 2023 15:30:09 GMT 1
Warnock was clearly enjoying himself and he's upset it's ending whilst he still feels that way....BUT he was always a short term fix whilst the club bedded in with the new hierarchy, and clearly an opportunity has arisen sooner than everyone expected.
Both sides appear to be on the same page. Life moves on, and Warnock leaves with his head held high.
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Post by Macduff on Sept 18, 2023 15:30:38 GMT 1
I've enjoyed the style of attacking football we've been trying to employ, actually ending up with more than one player to cross to, and trying to counter attack with pace. We've proved we're not so hot at playing out from the back, but to have both styles available as options would keep the opposition on their toes. Worst thing would be if the new manager insisted on a style we are just not capable of producing. Sad to see NW go, but just have to hope the higher ups get it right. UTT whatever.
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Post by goodbet on Sept 18, 2023 15:31:04 GMT 1
Having thought about it, this decision was made prior to the West Brom game, with just 1 point, and a lot of grumpy fans. I wonder if the decision was rushed due to the poor start, rather than an opportunity too good to turn down I would have thought that looking at our starting games you not have expected too much, so let's hope it is a too good to turn down.
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Post by kennyk2 on Sept 18, 2023 15:31:32 GMT 1
Funny game football... I'm guessing that there wouldn't have been so much consternation on here if he'd lost the last two games.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 18, 2023 15:34:37 GMT 1
SSN got the presser up quickly
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 18, 2023 15:35:29 GMT 1
There's no good time for NW to go; Town fans' wouldn't be happy whatever. Time will tell. There's no point speculating over this scenario and that scenario. NW was here on an interim basis - he knew it, we knew it. The club think they have found the person they want to succeed NW, but have recognised that person wont wait or be available later - NW alluded to that by saying he couldn't stay beyond Stoke. The club feel that this person is too good to lose and have struck - if they don't strike, they're criticised for being ponderous and when they do its a disaster. If it wasn't amicable, NW wouldn't have stayed for either Rotherham or Stoke. He's disappointed because the club have been fair and honored their agreement with him, but it has come quicker than he expected. Why must Town fans always look for a conspiracy? That is exactly it. Howe ridiculous would we be if we had a temporary manager...decided who we want to appoint as a permanent manager going forward but then told him " sorry we cant appoint you because we'd like Neil to stay and manage us for a bit longer yet. Could you hang on until, xmas please? " So that man weve chosen goes to some other club. The arrangement has panned out JUST how it was supposed to.Nobodys done anything wrong or underhand. It may have been sorted quicker than both Warnock or the club expected, but thats not a bad thing..it just means they got their ducks in a row faster... put the board in place and found the man they want sooner. Warnock cant have any complaints at all...if he didnt want to be replaced by a permanent manager then he shouldnt have insisted he was only a temporary one! And Im not sure he doesnt have any complaints...hes just sad its coming to an end because he was enjoying it. Onwards and hopefully upwards...lets hope they make a good choice.
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Post by goodbet on Sept 18, 2023 15:35:38 GMT 1
Couple of screaming babies balling their eyes out in their prams cos they've got no toys. Couple of prams being pushed round, empty cos the baby's been chucked out as well. Another couple of prams have been lobbed in the Calder. Onwards and upwards! Another well reasoned well thought out explanation of what is happening at the club. Well maybe not then.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Sept 18, 2023 15:39:34 GMT 1
Anyone who doesn’t get the grasp the job NW has done, and where his strengths are, just needs to look at our last match:
Ruffles superb at LB Koroma getting a goal and an assist Sorba getting a goal and an assist.
All 3 unimaginable before he arrived.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Sept 18, 2023 15:44:26 GMT 1
Rubbish who am I patronising , sharing my observations and opinion You're saying town fans lack comprehension when there are plenty of legitimate concerns why this could be a bad move. Just because others don't share your opinion doesn't make them lack comprehension (which is a polite way of calling them thick) No again! The patronising comment is wrong
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Sept 18, 2023 15:47:48 GMT 1
It’s upset me as this. He clearly has forged a deep bond with his players. He makes the point that Ruffles is the best left back in the Championship. How is that going to make the player feel after hearing that? Man manager supreme. If I was Ruffles I'd be thinking..."phew...we're going to get a proper manager in, this guy has lost his marbles if he thinks I'm the best left back in the Championship" Hell, from dogshit left back to 3 year deal to best in the Championship in 6 months! At this rate of meteoric improvement he'll be England's left back by Xmas and have the ballon d'or wrapped up by Easter.
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Post by goodbet on Sept 18, 2023 15:49:29 GMT 1
Let's consider the theory that it was Schofield and Fotheringham that were exceptions rather than Warnock. It wasn't long ago a similar squad were in the play-offs. Expecting players to revert back to pre-Warnock seems pessimistic to me. The next manager is taking over a squad in a much better position and Warnock leaving does not undo the work he has done with them. We can hope that Schofield and Buss are exceptions, but or history is littered with them. Unfortunately we don't have as many Warnocks in our history as we would like. We will have to wait and see what we get.
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Post by thomo on Sept 18, 2023 15:52:06 GMT 1
You're saying town fans lack comprehension when there are plenty of legitimate concerns why this could be a bad move. Just because others don't share your opinion doesn't make them lack comprehension (which is a polite way of calling them thick) No again! The patronising comment is wrong Bet you're fun in a debate. Basically I am right and everyone else is wrong. Haha 😂
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Sept 18, 2023 15:56:00 GMT 1
There's no good time for NW to go; Town fans' wouldn't be happy whatever. Time will tell. There's no point speculating over this scenario and that scenario. NW was here on an interim basis - he knew it, we knew it. The club think they have found the person they want to succeed NW, but have recognised that person wont wait or be available later - NW alluded to that by saying he couldn't stay beyond Stoke. The club feel that this person is too good to lose and have struck - if they don't strike, they're criticised for being ponderous and when they do its a disaster. If it wasn't amicable, NW wouldn't have stayed for either Rotherham or Stoke. He's disappointed because the club have been fair and honored their agreement with him, but it has come quicker than he expected. Why must Town fans always look for a conspiracy? That is exactly it. Howe ridiculous would we be if we had a temporary manager...decided who we want to appoint as a permanent manager going forward but then told him " sorry we cant appoint you because we'd like Neil to stay and manage us for a bit longer yet. Could you hang on until, xmas please? " So that man weve chosen goes to some other club. The arrangement has panned out JUST how it was supposed to.Nobodys done anything wrong or underhand. It may have been sorted quicker than both Warnock or the club expected, but thats not a bad thing..it just means they got their ducks in a row faster... put the board in place and found the man they want sooner. Warnock cant have any complaints at all...if he didnt want to be replaced by a permanent manager then he shouldnt have insisted he was only a temporary one! And Im not sure he doesnt have any complaints...hes just sad its coming to an end because he was enjoying it. Onwards and hopefully upwards...lets hope they make a good choice. I'd agree with that. The next few weeks will see a number of clubs appointing new managers - the likes of Middlesbrough, Southampton, Swansea, Sheff Wed, Sheff Utd, Everton, etc. If you've found who you believe is the right man then do you really hang around and risk losing him?
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 18, 2023 15:58:17 GMT 1
There's no good time for NW to go; Town fans' wouldn't be happy whatever. Time will tell. There's no point speculating over this scenario and that scenario. NW was here on an interim basis - he knew it, we knew it. The club think they have found the person they want to succeed NW, but have recognised that person wont wait or be available later - NW alluded to that by saying he couldn't stay beyond Stoke. The club feel that this person is too good to lose and have struck - if they don't strike, they're criticised for being ponderous and when they do its a disaster. If it wasn't amicable, NW wouldn't have stayed for either Rotherham or Stoke. He's disappointed because the club have been fair and honored their agreement with him, but it has come quicker than he expected. Why must Town fans always look for a conspiracy? That is exactly it. Howe ridiculous would we be if we had a temporary manager...decided who we want to appoint as a permanent manager going forward but then told him " sorry we cant appoint you because we'd like Neil to stay and manage us for a bit longer yet. Could you hang on until, xmas please? " So that man weve chosen goes to some other club. The arrangement has panned out JUST how it was supposed to.Nobodys done anything wrong or underhand. It may have been sorted quicker than both Warnock or the club expected, but thats not a bad thing..it just means they got their ducks in a row faster... put the board in place and found the man they want sooner. Warnock cant have any complaints at all...if he didnt want to be replaced by a permanent manager then he shouldnt have insisted he was only a temporary one! And Im not sure he doesnt have any complaints...hes just sad its coming to an end because he was enjoying it. Onwards and hopefully upwards...lets hope they make a good choice. Slapps, you’re not supposed to let the cat out of the bag with the name of the new Mgr. Let’s hope the Toon bloke who posts on here doesn’t see your post, otherwise you’ll have half a million Geordies banging on your door up there…
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Post by mosher on Sept 18, 2023 16:02:35 GMT 1
That is exactly it. Howe ridiculous would we be if we had a temporary manager...decided who we want to appoint as a permanent manager going forward but then told him " sorry we cant appoint you because we'd like Neil to stay and manage us for a bit longer yet. Could you hang on until, xmas please? " So that man weve chosen goes to some other club. The arrangement has panned out JUST how it was supposed to.Nobodys done anything wrong or underhand. It may have been sorted quicker than both Warnock or the club expected, but thats not a bad thing..it just means they got their ducks in a row faster... put the board in place and found the man they want sooner. Warnock cant have any complaints at all...if he didnt want to be replaced by a permanent manager then he shouldnt have insisted he was only a temporary one! And Im not sure he doesnt have any complaints...hes just sad its coming to an end because he was enjoying it. Onwards and hopefully upwards...lets hope they make a good choice. Slapps, you’re not supposed to let the cat out of the bag with the name of the new Mgr. Let’s hope the Toon bloke who posts on here doesn’t see your post, otherwise you’ll have half a million Geordies banging on your door up there… Ha, beat me to it
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Sept 18, 2023 16:03:45 GMT 1
Let's consider the theory that it was Schofield and Fotheringham that were exceptions rather than Warnock. It wasn't long ago a similar squad were in the play-offs. Expecting players to revert back to pre-Warnock seems pessimistic to me. The next manager is taking over a squad in a much better position and Warnock leaving does not undo the work he has done with them. We can hope that Schofield and Buss are exceptions, but or history is littered with them. Unfortunately we don't have as many Warnocks in our history as we would like. We will have to wait and see what we get. Schofield was the wrong appointment at the wrong time, but to put him in the same category as Buzz is unfair IMO. By all accounts Schofield was a decent coach working under Carlos and Pelach, just wasn't cut out to come in when Carlos jumped ship halfway through pre-season. How Fotheringham ever got within ten miles of a championship job still baffles me to this day. He must suck like a brand new Henry hoover!
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Post by westislandterrier on Sept 18, 2023 16:03:54 GMT 1
A few clues from Warnock in the presser. "They want to go their own way, and you've got to respect that" Stevie Nicks incoming, Ali G as assistant. You heard it here first. From Fleetwood by any chance !!! 😬
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Post by irverino on Sept 18, 2023 16:06:43 GMT 1
Clearly NW leaving earlier than expected with obviously a difference of opinions between owner & manager, unlike the relationship he had with Dean. I hope we don't become the hire & fire club north of Watford, the owners at Vicarage Road love to meddle in the dressing room & are a bit of a laughing stock.....Kev you have to let the manager manage, if not have a go yourself if its so easy.
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Post by ibby on Sept 18, 2023 16:08:33 GMT 1
All the best to him, today is a sad day. The owner is to be blamed for this.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Sept 18, 2023 16:08:57 GMT 1
Couple of screaming babies balling their eyes out in their prams cos they've got no toys. Couple of prams being pushed round, empty cos the baby's been chucked out as well. Another couple of prams have been lobbed in the Calder.Onwards and upwards! Bloody hell, that's getting some distance... with throws like that who needs Duane Holmes?!
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Post by King Curtis on Sept 18, 2023 16:17:14 GMT 1
What a royal fuck up this is.
Nice one Kev.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Sept 18, 2023 16:20:52 GMT 1
No again! The patronising comment is wrong Bet you're fun in a debate. Basically I am right and everyone else is wrong. Haha 😂 Debating, key skills, use of vocabulary, persuasive evidence supported propositions. Hmm may be. Ps my wife is convinced I haven't been right since 1988 when we got married.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 18, 2023 16:23:26 GMT 1
Clearly NW leaving earlier than expected with obviously a difference of opinions between owner & manager, unlike the relationship he had with Dean. I hope we don't become the hire & fire club north of Watford, the owners at Vicarage Road love to meddle in the dressing room & are a bit of a laughing stock.....Kev you have to let the manager manage, if not have a go yourself if its so easy. No, its not clearly that at all! You dont think they,, Nagle and all our new board .. have just decided who they want on a long term permanent basis and gone out and got him? We cant appoint the new boss whilst the temporary one is still in place. Warnock was only ever a short term appointment because that was what he wanted to be. Well that short term has come to its inevitable end.
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