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Post by boooothy on Oct 17, 2023 14:10:17 GMT 1
I realise it’s not possible at Town but when i get invited to Arsenal in the fancy seats there are loads of bars with good lagers, every food you can imagine with plenty of seats and sofas. Sky TV shows the earlier kick off.
Everyone turns up 2 hours before kick off and no rush to leave after. I wouldn’t want to change my match day at Town and sit with corporate tossers but it would be great if you actually wanted to get to the ground early. Surely it can’t be that hard to design new grounds where it’s actually warm under the stands? Something as simple as doors to get to the pitch?
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Post by dugnet on Oct 17, 2023 14:20:43 GMT 1
I wouldn't necessarily disagree but I would make a couple of observations: The Championship looks more competitive this season, what was competitive last season needs to be better this season. I think we all agree that we are short up front, I would argue we lack a ball playing midfielder too. As you also elude to our squad depth is weak. As I said in my original post I do worry if Mr Nagle and team think we are in a better position than we are. As it stands DM has one main role; win the games required to keep Town in the Championship. With luck with injuries and performances like against Ipswich he can do that. Fall below that standard and we will struggle. DM has been given a tough hand to play with and I think that is why I worry about the naivety that I elude to. Performances, and results, will dictate but if things don't go smoothly I hope Mr Nagle and team look at the squad as well assessing DM as a leader/coach. I'm slightly less optimistic than you but hope the benchmark against Ipswich can be maintained. Ben Wiles is the ball-playing midfielder, not showing a lot so far but his past record is too good to suggest it won’t come I like Wiles but I see him as an attacking midfielder, rather than a "heartbeat/quarter back" type.
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 17, 2023 14:56:39 GMT 1
Ben Wiles is the ball-playing midfielder, not showing a lot so far but his past record is too good to suggest it won’t come I like Wiles but I see him as an attacking midfielder, rather than a "heartbeat/quarter back" type. Think we have a different understanding of “ball playing midfielder”. To my mind the quarter back role is the “ball winning” midfielders job (Hogg for us). I agree we need to find someone to improve us in that role eventually, I was hoping it would be Camara.
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Post by royrace on Oct 17, 2023 15:33:08 GMT 1
Other than the lack of a prolific striker, I dont think our squad is that bad at all really. Warnock saw it as a group capable of competing at the higher end and I agree with him. If we get a undue amount of injuries at the same time like we did last season then its going to struggle to cope, but pretty much every squad in the division is like that. And pretty much every club will have fans thinking their squad has glaring weaknesses in it. So what you've basically said there is that the squad is lacking in key areas and has a lack of depth. Agreed.
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Post by duncfost01 on Oct 17, 2023 15:46:34 GMT 1
Surprised he didn't block you. Embarrassing at times!!! OMG some people on here are so gullible....it was a joke...sweet Jesus get a life...
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Post by duncfost01 on Oct 17, 2023 15:51:47 GMT 1
Other than the lack of a prolific striker, I dont think our squad is that bad at all really. Warnock saw it as a group capable of competing at the higher end and I agree with him. If we get a undue amount of injuries at the same time like we did last season then its going to struggle to cope, but pretty much every squad in the division is like that. And pretty much every club will have fans thinking their squad has glaring weaknesses in it. think you sort of contradict yourself in that post. Yes Warnock saw enough (although publicly had a go about the 3 players he also wanted ). But Warnock has gone. In Moore's first 2 games he has started moving players out of position to try and balance the lack squad depth...not been great has it ?
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Post by royrace on Oct 17, 2023 15:52:22 GMT 1
What is it that makes Kev and his team think he can increase income/revenue? Dean Hoyle might not be everyone’s cup of tea but he’s not a fool. If it was that easy why has no one before managed it? Put up season ticket prices and charge more for beer, what more can you do? They can develop the stadium and use it drive revenue too, but that requires investment. I suspect DH wasn't willing/able to make that investment (probably for good reasons). Whatever the truth the stadium isn't a quick fix to generate more revenue, but it is an opportunity (of sorts). Agreed, KN has much deeper pockets and experience in real estate development in the states. As long as he's prepared to fund the club to the tune of £10M per season whilst developing other income streams separately it's a sound plan. I don't see improving matchday revenues making a huge difference although it will hopefully go some way to keeping the fan base happy and maybe growing the crowd, or at least making sure it doesn't diminish further. Key to all that of course is success on the pitch. Doing something with the stadium land could make a real difference you'd imagine. If that revenue could be channeled into the club it could make a real difference you'd think.
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Post by ruggedivy on Oct 17, 2023 16:06:42 GMT 1
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Post by twyford on Oct 17, 2023 16:24:59 GMT 1
What is it that makes Kev and his team think he can increase income/revenue? Dean Hoyle might not be everyone’s cup of tea but he’s not a fool. If it was that easy why has no one before managed it? Put up season ticket prices and charge more for beer, what more can you do? They can develop the stadium and use it drive revenue too, but that requires investment. I suspect DH wasn't willing/able to make that investment (probably for good reasons). Whatever the truth the stadium isn't a quick fix to generate more revenue, but it is an opportunity (of sorts). Although he didn't have the wherewithal to acquire the stadium which Nagle appears to be attempting, Hodgkinson was trying to take on the operating side - presumably also with a view to increasing club revenue. When Hoyle had to step back in to take the club back from Hodgkinson then this potential initiative was cancelled.
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Post by royrace on Oct 17, 2023 17:43:51 GMT 1
40 percent? They still lost £3M in the year too, shows how difficult it is and what a tiny proportion revenue is in comparison to wages in particular.
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Post by incognito on Oct 17, 2023 18:12:45 GMT 1
The turnover increase referred to was between covid-decimated 2020/21 and pre-documentary 2021/22: £1.48m to £5.97m Their expected turnover this season is over £20m
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Post by Up the Duff. on Oct 17, 2023 19:13:46 GMT 1
They can develop the stadium and use it drive revenue too, but that requires investment. I suspect DH wasn't willing/able to make that investment (probably for good reasons). Whatever the truth the stadium isn't a quick fix to generate more revenue, but it is an opportunity (of sorts). Agreed, KN has much deeper pockets and experience in real estate development in the states. As long as he's prepared to fund the club to the tune of £10M per season whilst developing other income streams separately it's a sound plan. I don't see improving matchday revenues making a huge difference although it will hopefully go some way to keeping the fan base happy and maybe growing the crowd, or at least making sure it doesn't diminish further. Key to all that of course is success on the pitch. Doing something with the stadium land could make a real difference you'd imagine. If that revenue could be channeled into the club it could make a real difference you'd think. Playing staff costs cut to £8m over the summer so it is unlikely we are anywhere near the losses of previous years. Hoyle had said he needed to fund £5m a year after taking into account money coming in for o'brien and tofollo. Losses this year should therefore be less than £5m.
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Post by belizian on Oct 18, 2023 10:21:56 GMT 1
I seem to be loosing my enthusiasm for the club. I know it's still called Huddersfield Town and its ground is still down Leeds road but I feel nothing in common with any of the new owners and management. And I struggle to see anything in common with Huddersfield in any of those now owning and running the club. Just seems like a business for them, no real passion. Maybe I'm just having a bad week?
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Post by waggers on Oct 18, 2023 12:18:32 GMT 1
I seem to be loosing my enthusiasm for the club. I know it's still called Huddersfield Town and its ground is still down Leeds road but I feel nothing in common with any of the new owners and management. And I struggle to see anything in common with Huddersfield in any of those now owning and running the club. Just seems like a business for them, no real passion. Maybe I'm just having a bad week? I know what you mean and I feel the same, the soul of most English football clubs has been changed. Fundamentally it's money that has changed the game some fans prefer it this way a lot from the older generation (30+) don't. The current playing style of football is also less enjoyable and entertaining gone are the days of Roy Keane kicking lumps out of people and fast direct attacking football. Sick of seeing keeper pass it around at the bloody back too, small but annoying point.
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Post by benhomly on Oct 18, 2023 13:09:06 GMT 1
I seem to be loosing my enthusiasm for the club. I know it's still called Huddersfield Town and its ground is still down Leeds road but I feel nothing in common with any of the new owners and management. And I struggle to see anything in common with Huddersfield in any of those now owning and running the club. Just seems like a business for them, no real passion. Maybe I'm just having a bad week? I know what you mean and I feel the same, the soul of most English football clubs has been changed. Fundamentally it's money that has changed the game some fans prefer it this way a lot from the older generation (30+) don't.The current playing style of football is also less enjoyable and entertaining gone are the days of Roy Keane kicking lumps out of people and fast direct attacking football. Sick of seeing keeper pass it around at the bloody back too, small but annoying point. Blimey, how to make you feel old in one post; when the 'older' generation is considered to be 30+
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Post by royrace on Oct 18, 2023 13:24:44 GMT 1
I seem to be loosing my enthusiasm for the club. I know it's still called Huddersfield Town and its ground is still down Leeds road but I feel nothing in common with any of the new owners and management. And I struggle to see anything in common with Huddersfield in any of those now owning and running the club. Just seems like a business for them, no real passion. Maybe I'm just having a bad week? It's not the ownership for me, I just feel we have an extremely average squad and an average coach. That adds up to a season of struggle.. again. Should be looking forward to renewing hostilities with them up the road but just worried it's going to be a bit of a mismatch and we won't even compete. Saps the enthusiasm somewhat! The levels of investment in the squad and key footballing decisions have left me scratching my head to date. January will be interesting but I said the new coach appointment would be a barometer of ambition and it's not reassured me to put it mildly. Presumably picked by Cartwright who mentioned his attacking style...hhhmmmmm. Jury very much out for me.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Oct 18, 2023 13:28:40 GMT 1
I seem to be loosing my enthusiasm for the club. I know it's still called Huddersfield Town and its ground is still down Leeds road but I feel nothing in common with any of the new owners and management. And I struggle to see anything in common with Huddersfield in any of those now owning and running the club. Just seems like a business for them, no real passion. Maybe I'm just having a bad week? It's not the ownership for me, I just feel we have an extremely average squad and an average coach. That adds up to a season of struggle.. again. Should be looking forward to renewing hostilities with them up the road but just worried it's going to be a bit of a mismatch and we won't even compete. Saps the enthusiasm somewhat! The levels of investment in the squad and key footballing decisions have left me scratching my head to date. January will be interesting but I said the new coach appointment would be a barometer of ambition and it's not reassured me to put it mildly. Presumably picked by Cartwright who mentioned his attacking style...hhhmmmmm. Jury very much out for me. Totally agree on the squad. Would be interesting to see which players the kids have wanted on their shirts this season. We don't have any star players, we don't have a proper striker and our best player is our centre half. All a bit meh really.
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Post by detox on Oct 18, 2023 13:58:44 GMT 1
I think for me I became downhearted after our capitulation in the PL...I didn't expect miracles but at least I thought we would have a 'legacy'. The fact is was all spaffed away and left us £65m in debt just made me think how utterly disappointing it was... Then we have 2 years of struggle in the Championship..finishing 18th and 20th...Then a glimmer of hope under Corberan and a Wembley play off final only to put in a miserable performance and see the ref/VAR kick us in the nuts..then Corberan walks out...and we look doomed finally to be relegated to league one...
But again hopes are raised as Warnock takes charge and Potless disappears with KN coming in...dare we hope...we did hope...then Warnock got 'terminated' and here we are again, 19th in the table..
It's been a tough 6 years for Town fans...I'm exhausted with disappointment and a bit of anger at how we blew our 2 years in the PL...and a bit more anger from the play off final....
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Post by bells ringing :) on Oct 18, 2023 14:05:55 GMT 1
I think for me I became downhearted after our capitulation in the PL...I didn't expect miracles but at least I thought we would have a 'legacy'. The fact is was all spaffed away and left us £65m in debt just made me think how utterly disappointing it was... Then we have 2 years of struggle in the Championship..finishing 18th and 20th...Then a glimmer of hope under Corberan and a Wembley play off final only to put in a miserable performance and see the ref/VAR kick us in the nuts..then Corberan walks out...and we look doomed finally to be relegated to league one... But again hopes are raised as Warnock takes charge and Potless disappears with KN coming in...dare we hope...we did hope...then Warnock got 'terminated' and here we are again, 19th in the table.. It's been a tough 6 years for Town fans...I'm exhausted with disappointment and a bit of anger at how we blew our 2 years in the PL...and a bit more anger from the play off final.... I have said this before, as a club we have a history of kicking ourselves in the balls, just as you think we have turned a corner. The club seems to find a way of ruining any postive step forward as you say. The prem period should have built the club for years to come, but even well before this the club like i say has a huge history of kicking itself. Marcus Stewart sale/ Warnock walking out after promotion in 95 - due to arguements about how the club moves foward.
Our previous stint in the top flight, selling all the jewls , then not re investing - not signing the two players Shankly wanted, so he took them to liverpool .
We seem to just enjoy stopping our own progress.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Oct 18, 2023 14:27:21 GMT 1
I seem to be loosing my enthusiasm for the club. I know it's still called Huddersfield Town and its ground is still down Leeds road but I feel nothing in common with any of the new owners and management. And I struggle to see anything in common with Huddersfield in any of those now owning and running the club. Just seems like a business for them, no real passion. Maybe I'm just having a bad week? It's not the ownership for me, I just feel we have an extremely average squad and an average coach. That adds up to a season of struggle.. again. Should be looking forward to renewing hostilities with them up the road but just worried it's going to be a bit of a mismatch and we won't even compete. Saps the enthusiasm somewhat! The levels of investment in the squad and key footballing decisions have left me scratching my head to date. January will be interesting but I said the new coach appointment would be a barometer of ambition and it's not reassured me to put it mildly. Presumably picked by Cartwright who mentioned his attacking style...hhhmmmmm. Jury very much out for me. I am dreading that match tbh, feel it is an inevitable dicking. When we come up against genuine quality we get beat convincingly, hope the players are up for it though as we need heart and effort to take something on the day imo.
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 18, 2023 14:38:20 GMT 1
It's not the ownership for me, I just feel we have an extremely average squad and an average coach. That adds up to a season of struggle.. again. Should be looking forward to renewing hostilities with them up the road but just worried it's going to be a bit of a mismatch and we won't even compete. Saps the enthusiasm somewhat! The levels of investment in the squad and key footballing decisions have left me scratching my head to date. January will be interesting but I said the new coach appointment would be a barometer of ambition and it's not reassured me to put it mildly. Presumably picked by Cartwright who mentioned his attacking style...hhhmmmmm. Jury very much out for me. When we come up against genuine quality we get beat convincingly Except when we didn't get beat convincingly by Leicester or Ipswich - the two best teams in the division who are scoring goals for fun.
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 18, 2023 15:09:21 GMT 1
I feel the apathy. We had a new owner come in and for once I thought we would see some genuine investment in the side. Instead we got rid of 20 players and brought in 4 which includes a sub goalkeeper and a Stoke reserve.
The chairman keeps saying how good our players are but for me it's complete naevity.
This side is crying out for better quality otherwise we will be relegated, whether Kev remains chirpy or not.
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Post by royrace on Oct 18, 2023 15:17:37 GMT 1
I feel the apathy. We had a new owner come in and for once I thought we would see some genuine investment in the side. Instead we got rid of 20 players and brought in 4 which includes a sub goalkeeper and a Stoke reserve. The chairman keeps saying how good our players are but for me it's complete naevity. This side is crying out for better quality otherwise we will be relegated, whether Kev remains chirpy or not. Never fear, Darren has been looking at a few of the B team players in the international break, they've been moved up to train with the first team so there's bound to be some quality championship ready players amongst that little lot eh
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Post by royrace on Oct 18, 2023 15:21:42 GMT 1
I feel the apathy. We had a new owner come in and for once I thought we would see some genuine investment in the side. Instead we got rid of 20 players and brought in 4 which includes a sub goalkeeper and a Stoke reserve. The chairman keeps saying how good our players are but for me it's complete naevity. This side is crying out for better quality otherwise we will be relegated, whether Kev remains chirpy or not. Only Town could follow the takeover by an ambitious billionaire with a transfer window like that!
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 18, 2023 17:21:52 GMT 1
I feel the apathy. We had a new owner come in and for once I thought we would see some genuine investment in the side. Instead we got rid of 20 players and brought in 4 which includes a sub goalkeeper and a Stoke reserve. The chairman keeps saying how good our players are but for me it's complete naevity. This side is crying out for better quality otherwise we will be relegated, whether Kev remains chirpy or not. Only Town could follow the takeover by an ambitious billionaire with a transfer window like that! I’m hopeful that last window was viewed as a bit of a clear-out window (even though we brought a couple in and missed out on a few by all accounts) and now that we have some more key positions in place and a long term management appointment we’ll spend more going forward. It would make sense that the new owners wouldn’t come in and just throw money about when they were still learning about the club/putting their own people in.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Oct 18, 2023 17:32:32 GMT 1
Did anyone go to the tea in the boardroom thing ? with Nagle.
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Post by dugnet on Oct 18, 2023 17:45:46 GMT 1
Did anyone go to the tea in the boardroom thing ? with Nagle. It would be interesting to know: Who was selected? and/or What criteria was used to make the selection? and What was discussed? I'm not saying it was a bad idea but it's not difficult to be cynical about the motivation, the purpose and content of the discussion. I would have hoped that at least one regular poster from here was invited, given this is a reasonably significant forum of debate.
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Post by mids on Oct 18, 2023 18:02:24 GMT 1
Did you not spot NickHudds on the video?
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 18, 2023 18:29:26 GMT 1
Did anyone go to the tea in the boardroom thing ? with Nagle. Duncan Foster 🤔
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Post by waggers on Oct 18, 2023 18:52:26 GMT 1
I know what you mean and I feel the same, the soul of most English football clubs has been changed. Fundamentally it's money that has changed the game some fans prefer it this way a lot from the older generation (30+) don't.The current playing style of football is also less enjoyable and entertaining gone are the days of Roy Keane kicking lumps out of people and fast direct attacking football. Sick of seeing keeper pass it around at the bloody back too, small but annoying point. Blimey, how to make you feel old in one post; when the 'older' generation is considered to be 30+ I'm older than 30! I didn't mean old....just using 30 as an estimated cut off point.
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