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Post by dezzly on Nov 20, 2023 13:05:53 GMT 1
While I agree for the most part these may not be possible for all of them.The latter part anyway,you can lineup as many deals as you want in principle but it doesn’t mean they all get done.Things can change very quickly.Someone you have agreed with may get injured,or a club may go back on a deal…again possibly if another player gets injured and they now need to keep someone we had agreed with etc etc. So I guess providing he himself is still fit he’s playing well and it’s a known quantity that you can bring him back in so I guess it would make sense Oh, don't get me wrong, it'll be the right decision to bring him back immediately as it at least gives us another body in the squad. If the club think they can just do that and then fanny about trying to get another striker in until failing on deadline day, then that will be a huge mistake. We carry almost zero goal threat from anywhere on the pitch at the moment. Yeh pinning hopes on Rhodes is not what the club need to be going for.While 10 in 14 is a good return,3 maybe 4 I think have been penalties.He’s dropped down a level,and also I’m willing to bet that Blackpool who are probably one of the stronger teams in that division create more chances for him than we would. Although we could improve in that area with more bodies but you get my point. I do however think that this will be the toughest position we have to recruit for.So who bloody knows 😬 |
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Post by Big Ern on Nov 20, 2023 13:08:49 GMT 1
While I agree for the most part these may not be possible for all of them.The latter part anyway,you can lineup as many deals as you want in principle but it doesn’t mean they all get done.Things can change very quickly.Someone you have agreed with may get injured,or a club may go back on a deal…again possibly if another player gets injured and they now need to keep someone we had agreed with etc etc. So I guess providing he himself is still fit he’s playing well and it’s a known quantity that you can bring him back in so I guess it would make sense Oh, don't get me wrong, it'll be the right decision to bring him back immediately as it at least gives us another body in the squad. If the club think they can just do that and then fanny about trying to get another striker in until failing on deadline day, then that will be a huge mistake. We carry almost zero goal threat from anywhere on the pitch at the moment. I agree, we can't pin our hoped on him but he is better with us than over in Blackpool. |
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Post by rockwall on Nov 20, 2023 13:36:18 GMT 1
Here's your new striker folks 😂😂 you didnt read what i said, do you think a deal for a striker to come in will happen in the first few days of the window ? these deals take time to complete, we have the option of a striker in day 1 of the window why would we not do this ? Take JR back so we have some additional fire power instantly and then strenthen with a new player once deal is agreed and completed a few weeks later. What would be the point? If we play him he won't be able sign for anyone else apart from Blackpool. Please tell me those responsible understand this rule? |
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Post by htfcterry on Nov 20, 2023 13:57:55 GMT 1
Here's your new striker folks 😂😂 you didnt read what i said, do you think a deal for a striker to come in will happen in the first few days of the window ? these deals take time to complete, we have the option of a striker in day 1 of the window why would we not do this ? Take JR back so we have some additional fire power instantly and then strenthen with a new player once deal is agreed and completed a few weeks later. Oh so clubs DOF/recruitment staff/agents just stop working between September an December as the window isn’t open then? Nothing can be agreed before January? Given the position is one we have lacked in probably since Mounie left you’d think that work behind the scenes would (should!!) have already been happening meaning a signing would be due early-mid Jan? If you think the fans are going to happy because you are bringing Rhodes back in then you’re dafter than I thought, although - I assume a lot were just expecting it, as it meets the very low standards set by the club in the last 2-3 years. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Nov 20, 2023 14:02:57 GMT 1
you didnt read what i said, do you think a deal for a striker to come in will happen in the first few days of the window ? these deals take time to complete, we have the option of a striker in day 1 of the window why would we not do this ? Take JR back so we have some additional fire power instantly and then strenthen with a new player once deal is agreed and completed a few weeks later. Oh so clubs DOF/recruitment staff/agents just stop working between September an December as the window isn’t open then? Nothing can be agreed before January? Given the position is one we have lacked in probably since Mounie left you’d think that work behind the scenes would (should!!) have already been happening meaning a signing would be due early-mid Jan? If you think the fans are going to happy because you are bringing Rhodes back in then you’re dafter than I thought, although - I assume a lot were just expecting it, as it meets the very low standards set by the club in the last 2-3 years. Yep absolutely this, stinks to me of oh god we thought we couldn't get anybody because Warnock was in charge so we used him as a scape goat. Now we have Moore and they still don't want to join, whether that's down to watching us play and realising a striker barely touches the ball or the budget just been rubbish. Start reeling out a few excuses on the message board so the outrage isn't as bad when we resign Grant Holt on the final day of the Window and claim he was always our number one target. (nothing against Grant Holt by the way) |
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Post by mosher on Nov 20, 2023 15:08:18 GMT 1
Yes definitely, I'm looking forward to the play-off push when he returns with all these goals he's going to score. with which your Jordan Rhodes posts are riddled, isn't very attractive htafcokay. And not impressive as an argument. NOBODY is arguing he's as good as he used to be, but he's a bloody sight better than anyone else we have. Simple question - would you agree that Rhodes would have scored more for Town this season than Ward, Harratt and Burzorg, certainly individually, and probably put together ? He's not the answer by any means, but as a striker he is streets ahead of those three surely ? Sarcasm is the best form of humour IMO |
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Post by mosher on Nov 20, 2023 15:13:37 GMT 1
Where we're going, we don't need Rhodes Well, four of us got it, even if one of us needed help. When Lord Snooty returned to the government last week, there were lots of Back to the Future comments, but nothing as good as this. Five now that I've seen the post  |
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Post by mosher on Nov 20, 2023 15:21:23 GMT 1
You're the one pissing and moaning about what we don't have. We don't have Rhodes and you're crying like a fucking baby about it. Just get back to knocking one out over your poster of Kev. You're an absolute fucking retard aren't you No need for that fella. |
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Post by cuz on Nov 20, 2023 15:27:10 GMT 1
I thought the club were looking to offload the high earners and the top two who were deemed more surplus to requirements were Rhodes and Holmes. Haven't we offloaded them but we are still paying the majority of their wages? |
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Post by cuz on Nov 20, 2023 15:30:35 GMT 1
From my understanding JR will be back at the club at the earliest possible chance in January and back to strengthen the squad. It is however not clear if JR will be with us at the end of January this will depend on his form during January and the signings that are made in the month, but for the first few weeks I would expect JR to be back at HTAFC. Christ we really are clutching at paper straws here now I also think this is the most sensible option, he could easily grab a couple of crutial goals during January to earn us some valuable points before we have strenthend the squad, DM also knows JR well. |
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Post by Big Ern on Nov 20, 2023 15:36:47 GMT 1
You're an absolute fucking retard aren't you No need for that fella. No need for his post either |
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Post by cuz on Nov 20, 2023 15:38:00 GMT 1
I am fully aware of the fixture list thank you, but any new strikers we get could take all of January to sort out that is just the way it works these deals are complicated, we are already talking to agents and clubs regarding deals if something comes quicker even better, either way JR will strengthen the current squad quicker than any new signing as he is match fit and ready to play. JR coming back will not be instead of new players but as well as and I dont see any issue in this at all. If we're still desperately trying to get deals sorted out on deadline day then something surely has gone wrong. We've known how weak and thin the squad is since the end of the last transfer window. All the ducks should be in a neat row, ready to be shot down at the very start of January. . All Town fans know what happens on deadline day or even the week of deadline day. Lots of speculation and the stark reality of the square root of FA followed by utter bollox spouted by the club as to how we had four targets who fell through, but at least we have JR. The powers that be should be honest and manage expectations i.e we accept we are shit and no-one of sound mind (or not injured long time but one for the future) wanted to join! |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Nov 20, 2023 15:38:03 GMT 1
Strikes (see what I did there?!!) me that there are 3 likely outcomes to the Rhodes - will he or won't he - conundrum....
1 - He stays where he is an we continue this thread ad nauseum or ad infinitum, returning to it every now and again a bit like how many games the Clark side went unbeaten....only not as much fun.
2 - He comes back and scores loads of goals, singlehandedly keeping us out of relegation place and cuing many "I told you so" posts.
3 - He comes back and does feck all. Cue comments as per (2)
Any way you look at it, this story is going to run and run......
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Post by mosher on Nov 20, 2023 15:40:14 GMT 1
No need for his post either His/her post wasn't polite, but didn't warrant that kind of response. IMO of course, just trying (and failing  ) to calm things down a bit. Then realised the posts were fairly old and I may have just been reigniting shit |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 20, 2023 16:03:03 GMT 1
Standard self-entitled football fans. None of us have any idea what it takes to run a football club, but seem to be qualified enough to know that Kev is doing a bad job - based on what? Results on the pitch? Easily one of the weakest sides in the Championship, comebine that with a ridiculous amount of injuries, and it's tough for any manager to get results. Even so, we're 16 games in, and our fans seem to have already relegated us. I personally believe NWs position became untenable. Listen, he worked a miracle last season, no doubt, and we're all grateful for it. Also, we all know he's the dirtiest player in the game, and combine that with a messiah comple, and as an owner, I can see why you wouldn't give him a bag of gold. You stick with the magic beans, Neil. I personally don't see that the club has gone backwards since Kev took over. The results might be worse on the pitch, but I'd say the actual club is being run fine. I know time is a valuable commodity, but Jesus, it's November, and folk want Kev out and want DM out. Calm down, untwist your knickers, and try and inject some positivity into the club. ✌🏻 I think that a lot of people are worried about the state of the club. Is the club currently being run well? There have been a few videos and some positive comments, but when we come down to what the club has actually done we have the following to judge them on. The summer window, poor input to the squad and a great deal of out goins leaving us short in critical areas and depth. The change in Manager, has reduced the effectiveness of the team and it has become a very hard watch. So for me we have taken a big step backwards as a club, lets hope that January sees a chane in direction. |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 20, 2023 16:09:34 GMT 1
If we're still desperately trying to get deals sorted out on deadline day then something surely has gone wrong. We've known how weak and thin the squad is since the end of the last transfer window. All the ducks should be in a neat row, ready to be shot down at the very start of January. I am not saying we wont have players in earlier, but some will also go down to the last minute its just the way it works. It seems to be the way Town have worked, but other clubs can get players in early. We can leave it late and then miss the bus with the window then shut. This could have been done on purpose as Dean seemed fixated on just selling what he could. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Nov 20, 2023 16:56:47 GMT 1
you didnt read what i said, do you think a deal for a striker to come in will happen in the first few days of the window ? these deals take time to complete, we have the option of a striker in day 1 of the window why would we not do this ? Take JR back so we have some additional fire power instantly and then strenthen with a new player once deal is agreed and completed a few weeks later. What would be the point? If we play him he won't be able sign for anyone else apart from Blackpool. Please tell me those responsible understand this rule? Yes he can play for us and Blackpool this season, he could easily play for us, then blackpool, then us, then blackpool again !? or failing this JR is part of our or there squad for the rest of this season, he has to come back even if he is then 4th / 5th choice behind New Striker 1, new striker 2, ward etc I think he is still ahead of Hudlin and Harrat. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Nov 20, 2023 17:03:25 GMT 1
Oh so clubs DOF/recruitment staff/agents just stop working between September an December as the window isn’t open then? Nothing can be agreed before January? Given the position is one we have lacked in probably since Mounie left you’d think that work behind the scenes would (should!!) have already been happening meaning a signing would be due early-mid Jan? If you think the fans are going to happy because you are bringing Rhodes back in then you’re dafter than I thought, although - I assume a lot were just expecting it, as it meets the very low standards set by the club in the last 2-3 years. Yep absolutely this, stinks to me of oh god we thought we couldn't get anybody because Warnock was in charge so we used him as a scape goat. Now we have Moore and they still don't want to join, whether that's down to watching us play and realising a striker barely touches the ball or the budget just been rubbish. Start reeling out a few excuses on the message board so the outrage isn't as bad when we resign Grant Holt on the final day of the Window and claim he was always our number one target. (nothing against Grant Holt by the way) sorry when did i say we would not be planning now or not signing anyone ? the facts are we can have JR back in the squad as soon as its January, it will almost be impossible to have other players signed and ready to play quicker than this, why would we not do this it only makes sense to get him back. Getting JR back will make no difference to who we sign or dont sign in January these plans are already progressing. I am confident we will sign around 5 players in January on what day we get them is not just about us, some of our targets take a player from another team and they wont sell until a replacement is purchased so you have to be patient getting the correct players in is more important than getting any players in the first few days, better quality players are not just avaialble on day 1 of the window, many last minute deals on deadline day have been agreen months before but only happen due to other player movements, its not football manager where you can just buy who you want at any time. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Nov 20, 2023 17:30:48 GMT 1
And no-one is expecting a world class striker, just expecting better than a 33 year old fucking has been that has been fucking shite at this level for years. I think most want Rhodes back plus another striker. I am not however sure we can be certain of getting another striker in that guarantees us goals, as they cost alot of money. This is probably why we haven't signed anyone of this ilk in the last 2 years. Rhodes is better than what we have and available for recall.. even we can't fuck that one up. Rhodes plus 1 please. |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 20, 2023 17:34:34 GMT 1
And no-one is expecting a world class striker, just expecting better than a 33 year old fucking has been that has been fucking shite at this level for years. I think most want Rhodes back plus another striker. I am not however sure we can be certain of getting another striker in that guarantees us goals, as they cost alot of money. This is probably why we haven't signed anyone of this ilk in the last 2 years. Rhodes is better than what we have and available for recall.. even we can't fuck that one up. Rhodes plus 1 please. We haven't paid for a centre forward in years, that's the frustration. We knew we needed one this season and the club failed to sign one. Whether it was Warnock's fault, Nagle's fault, Cartwright's fault, whatever. The club still failed to bring in someone in a position we are dreadfully short in. I thought the new owner would be different, but he seems to be the only owner to take over a club and not spend anything. And for the club to just recall a striker we loaned out, I think is ridiculous. I wouldn't mind if they recalled all the strikers we loaned out as it would make some sense, but we won't. You just know that we'll recall Rhodes and consider him "a new signing", just the same as we did in the Summer, laughably claiming that Rufells, Ward and Koroma were "like new signings". |
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 20, 2023 17:48:13 GMT 1
Rhodes is our player contracted to us so nobody would pretend hes a new signing...Ward Ruffels and Koroma werent our players anymore,so werent 'like' new signings last summer, they were new signings.
Letting Rhodes go was ridiculous when we hadnt signed a replacement. Basically left us relying on ward to stay fit otherwise wed have kids and novices.
One way or another Im sure they'll put that mistake right in January.
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Nov 20, 2023 17:52:15 GMT 1
We could send Ward over in January. I'd be really happy to wait and see what the reaction would be if he then scored aplenty, whatever JR did on his return.
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 20, 2023 17:53:11 GMT 1
Rhodes is our player contracted to us so nobody would pretend hes a new signing...Ward Ruffels and Koroma werent our players anymore,so werent 'like' new signings last summer, they were new signings. Letting Rhodes go was ridiculous when we hadnt signed a replacement. Basically left us relying on ward to stay fit otherwise wed have kids and novices. One way or another Im sure they'll put that mistake right in January. So we signed seven players in the summer then? |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Nov 20, 2023 18:04:43 GMT 1
Yep absolutely this, stinks to me of oh god we thought we couldn't get anybody because Warnock was in charge so we used him as a scape goat. Now we have Moore and they still don't want to join, whether that's down to watching us play and realising a striker barely touches the ball or the budget just been rubbish. Start reeling out a few excuses on the message board so the outrage isn't as bad when we resign Grant Holt on the final day of the Window and claim he was always our number one target. (nothing against Grant Holt by the way) sorry when did i say we would not be planning now or not signing anyone ? the facts are we can have JR back in the squad as soon as its January, it will almost be impossible to have other players signed and ready to play quicker than this, why would we not do this it only makes sense to get him back. Getting JR back will make no difference to who we sign or dont sign in January these plans are already progressing. I am confident we will sign around 5 players in January on what day we get them is not just about us, some of our targets take a player from another team and they wont sell until a replacement is purchased so you have to be patient getting the correct players in is more important than getting any players in the first few days, better quality players are not just avaialble on day 1 of the window, many last minute deals on deadline day have been agreen months before but only happen due to other player movements, its not football manager where you can just buy who you want at any time. Well i'm sorry but those fixtures as mentioned previously in the thread are going to be some of the best opportunity for us to gain points between now and the end of the season so to have this current squad with this current management going into those games will again be a waste of time. Replacements are needed day 1 just like they were in the summer and we failed miserably to sort that. You can't genuinely have any confidence we would get the points required from those key fixtures with how things are going currently? |
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Post by runner76 on Nov 20, 2023 18:23:55 GMT 1
sorry when did i say we would not be planning now or not signing anyone ? the facts are we can have JR back in the squad as soon as its January, it will almost be impossible to have other players signed and ready to play quicker than this, why would we not do this it only makes sense to get him back. Getting JR back will make no difference to who we sign or dont sign in January these plans are already progressing. I am confident we will sign around 5 players in January on what day we get them is not just about us, some of our targets take a player from another team and they wont sell until a replacement is purchased so you have to be patient getting the correct players in is more important than getting any players in the first few days, better quality players are not just avaialble on day 1 of the window, many last minute deals on deadline day have been agreen months before but only happen due to other player movements, its not football manager where you can just buy who you want at any time. Well i'm sorry but those fixtures as mentioned previously in the thread are going to be some of the best opportunity for us to gain points between now and the end of the season so to have this current squad with this current management going into those games will again be a waste of time. Replacements are needed day 1 just like they were in the summer and we failed miserably to sort that. You can't genuinely have any confidence we would get the points required from those key fixtures with how things are going currently? No reason we could not get some points there with most of our squad fit and playing.......not massively confident right now but with the injuries we have we are lucky scraping a point from most teams in the division |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 20, 2023 18:25:49 GMT 1
We could send Ward over in January. I'd be really happy to wait and see what the reaction would be if he then scored aplenty, whatever JR did on his return. And to wait to see people’s reaction if Ward stayed fit for more than 3 consecutive games! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 20, 2023 18:33:22 GMT 1
Rhodes is our player contracted to us so nobody would pretend hes a new signing...Ward Ruffels and Koroma werent our players anymore,so werent 'like' new signings last summer, they were new signings. Letting Rhodes go was ridiculous when we hadnt signed a replacement. Basically left us relying on ward to stay fit otherwise wed have kids and novices. One way or another Im sure they'll put that mistake right in January. So we signed seven players in the summer then? I dont know what the figure was, But as those three werent our players anymore, they counted as new signings really. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Nov 20, 2023 18:37:04 GMT 1
So basically you are being as unconstructive as humanely possible? No idea who or what you want just a constant moan about what we don't have. It's blatantly obvious you and Htfcokay know each other outside of this forum because the way you negative Nellie's back each other up constantly is sickening I've never met Porrohman in my life and up until quite recently I thought he was a right c**t. He probably still thinks I am. And you ain't half being dramatic now. Sickening? I am yet to be impressed by the new owner and you find that sickening? Hilarious. I have, he's sound. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Nov 20, 2023 18:39:56 GMT 1
From my understanding JR will be back at the club at the earliest possible chance in January and back to strengthen the squad. It is however not clear if JR will be with us at the end of January this will depend on his form during January and the signings that are made in the month, but for the first few weeks I would expect JR to be back at HTAFC. I also think this is the most sensible option, he could easily grab a couple of crutial goals during January to earn us some valuable points before we have strenthend the squad, DM also knows JR well. He can't come back, play for us, and then go out again as far as I know, as isn't there a limit on the number of clubs you can play for in a season, and isn't it 2? I suppose he could come back for a month and go back to Blackpool... From the FA:
Players may be registered with a maximum of three clubs during one season. During this period, the player is only eligible to play official matches for two clubs. As an exception to this rule, a player moving between two clubs belonging to associations with overlapping seasons (i.e. start of the season in summer/autumn as opposed to winter/spring) may be eligible to play in official matches for a third club during the relevant season, provided he has fully complied with his contractual obligations towards his previous clubs. |
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Post by htfcterry on Nov 20, 2023 18:44:40 GMT 1
So we signed seven players in the summer then? I dont know what the figure was, But as those three werent our players anymore, they counted as new signings really. Jesus, now this is really clutching. |
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