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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 20, 2023 18:55:07 GMT 1
I dont know what the figure was, But as those three werent our players anymore, they counted as new signings really. Jesus, now this is really clutching. Is it? If they'd just been released by Birmingham and we signed them, would they count as a new signing? Id imagine so, so whats the difference? They werent our players anymore. And we still pay the costs as if they had just left Birmingham,,signing on fees, agents fees.. |
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Post by workshyfop on Nov 20, 2023 18:56:32 GMT 1
Christ, this is like when the Tories claim to be building new hospitals and it turns out they’ve refurbished a couple!
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Post by rockwall on Nov 20, 2023 19:06:16 GMT 1
What would be the point? If we play him he won't be able sign for anyone else apart from Blackpool. Please tell me those responsible understand this rule? Yes he can play for us and Blackpool this season, he could easily play for us, then blackpool, then us, then blackpool again !? or failing this JR is part of our or there squad for the rest of this season, he has to come back even if he is then 4th / 5th choice behind New Striker 1, new striker 2, ward etc I think he is still ahead of Hudlin and Harrat. I understand he has to come back. But if he makes an appearance in January, and then we bring in another striker, we would have a high wage on the books for someone who wouldn't be playing. And because of that appearance, we can't then shift him on, unless Blackpool wanted him back. I feel situations like this is what has hampered the club in recent times, having high waged players, not good enough to be playing. |
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Post by Ladaphosen on Nov 20, 2023 19:10:23 GMT 1
Jesus, now this is really clutching. Is it? If they'd just been released by Birmingham and we signed them, would they count as a new signing? Id imagine so, so whats the difference? They werent our players anymore. And we still pay the costs as if they had just left Birmingham,,signing on fees, agents fees.. They extended their contracts with us. Absolutely not new signings. |
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Post by rockwall on Nov 20, 2023 19:26:40 GMT 1
Is it? If they'd just been released by Birmingham and we signed them, would they count as a new signing? Id imagine so, so whats the difference? They werent our players anymore. And we still pay the costs as if they had just left Birmingham,,signing on fees, agents fees.. They extended their contracts with us. Absolutely not new signings. Ruffels got released. He was classed as a new signing. Ward and Koroma offered new deals after theirs expired. I get Captains point, as all 3 meant it came out of budget. But I would only say Ruffels was a 'new' signing. |
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Post by town1971 on Nov 20, 2023 19:52:37 GMT 1
We could send Ward over in January. I'd be really happy to wait and see what the reaction would be if he then scored aplenty, whatever JR did on his return. And to wait to see people’s reaction if Ward stayed fit for more than 3 consecutive games! It would be one of shock |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Nov 20, 2023 20:14:59 GMT 1
Yes he can play for us and Blackpool this season, he could easily play for us, then blackpool, then us, then blackpool again !? or failing this JR is part of our or there squad for the rest of this season, he has to come back even if he is then 4th / 5th choice behind New Striker 1, new striker 2, ward etc I think he is still ahead of Hudlin and Harrat. I understand he has to come back. But if he makes an appearance in January, and then we bring in another striker, we would have a high wage on the books for someone who wouldn't be playing. And because of that appearance, we can't then shift him on, unless Blackpool wanted him back. I feel situations like this is what has hampered the club in recent times, having high waged players, not good enough to be playing. we are paying high wages for JR anyway even if he stays at Blackpool !! |
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Post by rockwall on Nov 20, 2023 20:46:21 GMT 1
I understand he has to come back. But if he makes an appearance in January, and then we bring in another striker, we would have a high wage on the books for someone who wouldn't be playing. And because of that appearance, we can't then shift him on, unless Blackpool wanted him back. I feel situations like this is what has hampered the club in recent times, having high waged players, not good enough to be playing. we are paying high wages for JR anyway even if he stays at Blackpool !! That makes it even bloody worse!! How has that even been able to happen? Surely it's a case of, if we can't get rid of his wages, he might aswell stay. |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Nov 20, 2023 20:48:46 GMT 1
Bring back Rhodes and send Blackpool Hudlin to soften the blow, makes sense.
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Post by htfcterry on Nov 20, 2023 21:05:51 GMT 1
Jesus, now this is really clutching. Is it? If they'd just been released by Birmingham and we signed them, would they count as a new signing? Id imagine so, so whats the difference? They werent our players anymore. And we still pay the costs as if they had just left Birmingham,,signing on fees, agents fees.. I doubt they were even back off holiday before they returned to the club, dress it up how you want - they aren’t new signings. |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 20, 2023 21:11:49 GMT 1
Is someone trying to dress up the summer window as anything as anything other than criminally negligent?
Why, just why would anyone try to do it?
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Post by Randy Watson on Nov 20, 2023 21:57:50 GMT 1
we are paying high wages for JR anyway even if he stays at Blackpool !! That makes it even bloody worse!! How has that even been able to happen? Surely it's a case of, if we can't get rid of his wages, he might aswell stay. Neil Warnock |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 20, 2023 22:01:00 GMT 1
That makes it even bloody worse!! How has that even been able to happen? Surely it's a case of, if we can't get rid of his wages, he might aswell stay. Neil Warnock We obviously must have a DoF who says do whatever you want. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Nov 20, 2023 22:02:59 GMT 1
Is it? If they'd just been released by Birmingham and we signed them, would they count as a new signing? Id imagine so, so whats the difference? They werent our players anymore. And we still pay the costs as if they had just left Birmingham,,signing on fees, agents fees.. I doubt they were even back off holiday before they returned to the club, dress it up how you want - they aren’t new signings. You can tell a persons level of football knowledge when they are classing released players as new signings. I wouldn’t even bother responding. They aren’t new signings full stop. The key in the word ‘new’ the last club they played for was town therefore aren’t new. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 20, 2023 22:12:11 GMT 1
I doubt they were even back off holiday before they returned to the club, dress it up how you want - they aren’t new signings. You can tell a persons level of football knowledge when they are classing released players as new signings. I wouldn’t even bother responding. They aren’t new signings full stop. The key in the word ‘new’ the last club they played for was town therefore aren’t new. They weren’t “new signings” in that they played for us last season. I agree But, the story we were told in the summer was that they arrived after this famous budget that can never be amended, was submitted. Therefore, from a budget point of view they were classed as new signings because resigning them reduced the amount available to spend on other players. That’s my understanding anyway. |
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Post by rockwall on Nov 20, 2023 22:16:21 GMT 1
That makes it even bloody worse!! How has that even been able to happen? Surely it's a case of, if we can't get rid of his wages, he might aswell stay. Neil Warnock Careful now! |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 20, 2023 22:18:52 GMT 1
You can tell a persons level of football knowledge when they are classing released players as new signings. I wouldn’t even bother responding. They aren’t new signings full stop. The key in the word ‘new’ the last club they played for was town therefore aren’t new. They weren’t “new signings” in that they played for us last season. I agree But, the story we were told in the summer was that they arrived after this famous budget that can never be amended, was submitted. Therefore, from a budget point of view they were classed as new signings because resigning them reduced the amount available to spend on other players. That’s my understanding anyway. We have been told all sorts over the years always with a slant on them to make the owners look as good as possible. Chicken made it clear that the budget could have been changed. What kind of budget requires us to get rid of well over 20 players and they did not budget for the players who kept us in the Championship. If so they must have budgeted us to get rid of 30 players. What is someone trying to pull over our eyes. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 20, 2023 22:31:17 GMT 1
They weren’t “new signings” in that they played for us last season. I agree But, the story we were told in the summer was that they arrived after this famous budget that can never be amended, was submitted. Therefore, from a budget point of view they were classed as new signings because resigning them reduced the amount available to spend on other players. That’s my understanding anyway. We have been told all sorts over the years always with a slant on them to make the owners look as good as possible. Chicken made it clear that the budget could have been changed. What kind of budget requires us to get rid of well over 20 players and they did not budget for the players who kept us in the Championship. If so they must have budgeted us to get rid of 30 players. What is someone trying to pull over our eyes. I feel your pain. |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 20, 2023 22:33:52 GMT 1
We have been told all sorts over the years always with a slant on them to make the owners look as good as possible. Chicken made it clear that the budget could have been changed. What kind of budget requires us to get rid of well over 20 players and they did not budget for the players who kept us in the Championship. If so they must have budgeted us to get rid of 30 players. What is someone trying to pull over our eyes. I feel your pain. Thanks, the game on the box is not helping. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Nov 20, 2023 23:00:19 GMT 1
Thanks, the game on the box is not helping. This new regime needs to be really careful. Made a naff up of the summer window, pushed out our best chance of survival, appointed a bloke who appears tactically inept at this level. If they make a mess of January that would be 4 errors already. Don’t think I’ve seen so many fans say they won’t be making the effort or are so close to not bothering, it’s all good and well saying how they want to improve revenue streams off the pitch but the fact is they’ll have nobody to sell that product to if January goes badly. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Nov 20, 2023 23:12:23 GMT 1
Scoring goals in League one vs Championship is very very different, see Clarke Harris at Peterborough. I love Rhodesy but we need to move on, unless we get relegated then keep him for next season, he isn't Championship level anymore. Simple question... is he a better option than Hudlin and Harratt ? If we can't get someone better than Rhodes in then we should recall him ? |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 20, 2023 23:14:17 GMT 1
Scoring goals in League one vs Championship is very very different, see Clarke Harris at Peterborough. I love Rhodesy but we need to move on, unless we get relegated then keep him for next season, he isn't Championship level anymore. Simple question... is he a better option than Hudlin and Harratt ? If we can't get someone better than Rhodes in then we should recall him ? And then sack the manager and the DoF. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Nov 20, 2023 23:16:21 GMT 1
Hate for you to wake up and smell the coffee, but from January 13th we play Plymouth home Blackburn away, QPR away until the end of the month. The club need to get this striker in week one of January and should have been using the 12 weeks prior to make sure this happens. I am fully aware of the fixture list thank you, but any new strikers we get could take all of January to sort out that is just the way it works these deals are complicated, we are already talking to agents and clubs regarding deals if something comes quicker even better, either way JR will strengthen the current squad quicker than any new signing as he is match fit and ready to play. JR coming back will not be instead of new players but as well as and I dont see any issue in this at all. Why would anyone new striker not be match fit and ready to play ? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 21, 2023 1:20:54 GMT 1
Is it? If they'd just been released by Birmingham and we signed them, would they count as a new signing? Id imagine so, so whats the difference? They werent our players anymore. And we still pay the costs as if they had just left Birmingham,,signing on fees, agents fees.. I doubt they were even back off holiday before they returned to the club, dress it up how you want - they aren’t new signings. Dont think Im dressing up anything I get that its frustrating because these were 3 players who had been here. But if you sign a player who isnt at your club ( hes either at another club or hes a free agent) , then its a new signing isnt it? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 21, 2023 1:27:02 GMT 1
You can tell a persons level of football knowledge when they are classing released players as new signings. I wouldn’t even bother responding. They aren’t new signings full stop. The key in the word ‘new’ the last club they played for was town therefore aren’t new. They weren’t “new signings” in that they played for us last season. I agree But, the story we were told in the summer was that they arrived after this famous budget that can never be amended, was submitted. Therefore, from a budget point of view they were classed as new signings because resigning them reduced the amount available to spend on other players. That’s my understanding anyway. Yup..all 3 will have had significant signing on fees and fees to their agents and possibly 'other' costs involved that came out of whatever budget we had. |
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Post by willo on Nov 21, 2023 1:40:50 GMT 1
You can tell a persons level of football knowledge when they are classing released players as new signings. I wouldn’t even bother responding. They aren’t new signings full stop. The key in the word ‘new’ the last club they played for was town therefore aren’t new. They weren’t “new signings” in that they played for us last season. I agree But, the story we were told in the summer was that they arrived after this famous budget that can never be amended, was submitted. Therefore, from a budget point of view they were classed as new signings because resigning them reduced the amount available to spend on other players. That’s my understanding anyway. You can go a long way with spin. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2023 8:23:09 GMT 1
I haven't posted on here for a few weeks and have gone out my way to avoid the last couple of games (For the first time in my life) due to the shambles our club has become.
I've said for years that certain people here can't see / choose not to see reality even if it's playing out in front of them (e.g. the asset stripping and Potless) but for people here to be arguing a case that Ward, Ruffels and Koroma should be considered new signings is almost a total new level of delusion!!!!
Literally cannot have a discussion with people with that level of understanding of football. It shows the lengths people will go to, to deny the reality of what's in front of them in order to protect their narrative that "All is well" or that the club hasn't been run into the ground on a shoestring budget for too long.
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 21, 2023 8:28:28 GMT 1
I am fully aware of the fixture list thank you, but any new strikers we get could take all of January to sort out that is just the way it works these deals are complicated, we are already talking to agents and clubs regarding deals if something comes quicker even better, either way JR will strengthen the current squad quicker than any new signing as he is match fit and ready to play. JR coming back will not be instead of new players but as well as and I dont see any issue in this at all. Why would anyone new striker not be match fit and ready to play ? I thought that, then remembered it's Town and we love signing players that aren't fit. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Nov 21, 2023 11:15:02 GMT 1
Bring back Rhodes and send Blackpool Hudlin to soften the blow, makes sense. He can give the top of the tower a polish |
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Post by cyberman on Nov 21, 2023 12:34:47 GMT 1
They weren’t “new signings” in that they played for us last season. I agree But, the story we were told in the summer was that they arrived after this famous budget that can never be amended, was submitted. Therefore, from a budget point of view they were classed as new signings because resigning them reduced the amount available to spend on other players. That’s my understanding anyway. Indian cricket team didnt ! |
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