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Post by Big Ern on Dec 29, 2023 15:47:27 GMT 1
He has never had a sustained run in a team that has never played to his strengths. We are now playing 2 up top, I would suggest we will see a better yield from him. Didn't do much under Fozza when he played both Ward and Rhodes up top numerous times. Ronaldo and Messi up top wouldn't have done anything under Fozza |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 29, 2023 15:54:04 GMT 1
He has never had a sustained run in a team that has never played to his strengths. We are now playing 2 up top, I would suggest we will see a better yield from him. Didn't do much under Fozza when he played both Ward and Rhodes up top numerous times. Yeah, but... |
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Post by Wingman on Dec 29, 2023 15:56:57 GMT 1
I reckon that Jordan holds the cards here. He'll leave in Summer. No incentive to return at all, particularly as he's doing so well. He should either ask for a contract extension with us or tell us where to go. What's the worst the club can do? He has nothing to lose. I'm really happy to wait and see how this pans out. Totally agree with this, Rhodes has his future in his own hands and I’m sure the club won’t stand in his way if Blackpool or another club offer to take over his contract in full for the rest of the season. Like Kenny though, it would be good to see him reach 100 Town goals, albeit unlikely now. |
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Post by Big Ern on Dec 29, 2023 15:58:53 GMT 1
He has never had a sustained run in a team that has never played to his strengths. We are now playing 2 up top, I would suggest we will see a better yield from him. That’s almost comical He’s done absolutely nothing at championships level for 8 years….. But the reason is that the clubs he’s been signed for have never given him a sustained run or played to his strengths…..Not that he’s just not good enough at championship level Playing at League 1 in a team playing to his strengths is his level. Your short sightedness is comical. A player of ours has banged 15 goals in the league below. The past is irrelevant. He is a natural finisher and confidence must be brimming. Give him the ball in the right places and he will score. His finishing isn't the problem, it's the garbage around him that is. |
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Post by rocky on Dec 29, 2023 16:03:17 GMT 1
No one is saying Rhodes alone is the answer to our striker issue. Do you think Rhodes is a better option to bring off the bench than Hudlin or Harratt? Rhodes signed a 3 year deal on good money, if we need him to play a part he should come back. I’d rather have Rhodes than either of those 2 yes. But if we can get someone just a bit better than Burgzorg, we’d not need Rhodes. If we bring Rhodes back and don’t bring in another striker, then we’ve not solved the striker issue So, what happens if either Burgzorg or this new striker get injured? Or god forbid, both at the same time? As you know, we're already playing with a pitifully weak bench. It's the squad that needs strengthening, not just the starting team. That said, I'm not advocating Rhodes to be recalled just to sit on the bench. We need him AND a new striker, to give us options and to cover loss of form or injuries etc. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 29, 2023 16:12:47 GMT 1
If Jordan returns and starts then we can forget any repeats of the number of quick breaks we had against Blackburn. He just isnt that type of forward and we may well revert to the long punts up to a lone striker again from very deep defensive positions.
If Ward starts again it may well result in the same.
The 3 mobile forward players made up of Burgzok, Headley, Diarra, Thomas and Koroma breaking, supported by Rudoni looks our best and most dangerous option. Even when we didnt make an opportunity the ball was carried and moved much further up the field.
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Post by Sparrow on Dec 29, 2023 16:55:49 GMT 1
That’s almost comical He’s done absolutely nothing at championships level for 8 years….. But the reason is that the clubs he’s been signed for have never given him a sustained run or played to his strengths…..Not that he’s just not good enough at championship level Playing at League 1 in a team playing to his strengths is his level. Your short sightedness is comical. A player of ours has banged 15 goals in the league below. The past is irrelevant. He is a natural finisher and confidence must be brimming. Give him the ball in the right places and he will score. His finishing isn't the problem, it's the garbage around him that is. It’s hardly short sidedness though is it. 38 goals in 208 appearances over 8 seasons. 5 goals in 34 appearances last season, 8 goals in 55 games in the last 2 seasons for Town. Those stats suggest that he can’t do it at Championship level. He had 3 good seasons at championship level after leaving us for Blackburn. Scoring 26, 25 & 21 In the seasons since he’s scored 10, 6, 3, 5, 6, 3, 7, 3 & 5 goals. Prior to us getting promoted to the championship he scored 19, 16 & 35 in league 1. He’s now dropped down to League 1 and scored 15 in half a season…… out of 12 seasons in the Championship He’s had 4 seasons where he’s got into double figures, which were his first 4 seasons. He’s than had 8 seasons where he’s failed to get into double figures. Surely those stats show that he is a League 1 standard striker |
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Post by Sparrow on Dec 29, 2023 17:07:18 GMT 1
I’d rather have Rhodes than either of those 2 yes. But if we can get someone just a bit better than Burgzorg, we’d not need Rhodes. If we bring Rhodes back and don’t bring in another striker, then we’ve not solved the striker issue So, what happens if either Burgzorg or this new striker get injured? Or god forbid, both at the same time? As you know, we're already playing with a pitifully weak bench. It's the squad that needs strengthening, not just the starting team. That said, I'm not advocating Rhodes to be recalled just to sit on the bench. We need him AND a new striker, to give us options and to cover loss of form or injuries etc. That’s a never ending cycle though isn’t it. We could sign a new striker and bring Rhodes back. But then the new striker, Burgzorg and Rhodes could all be injured at the same time. Ward and Koroma might also be injured at the same time as well. So we best bring Simpson back to play in the B team to have him as cover for the cover. But what it Simpson also gets injured at the same time…..best bring another striker in in January as well, to be cover, for the cover, for the cover and so on Unrealistic i know. |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 29, 2023 17:42:55 GMT 1
In the 8 seasons prior to this one Rhodes has played 208 championship games and scored 38 goals. That’s a goal every 5.5 games. I honestly don’t think he can do it at this level anymore. League 1 is very much his level now in my opinion. And if we haven’t got the money to sign a striker that could bag 8-12 goals in 21 league games, then we might as well forget it. Burgzorg has 6 in 20…… So essentially a striker slightly better than him. You honestly don’t think we have the money to buy a striker that’s a couple goals better than Burgzorg? You are essentially asking for a younger striker that averages 1 goal every 2 games. Those are like gold-dust and will be sought after by teams in the top 6. Given our budget and league position it just ain't going to happen. And JR isn't going to score 1 in 2 for the rest of the season either. He'd be lucky to get 4 with his record at this level over the last 8 years |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 29, 2023 17:45:45 GMT 1
Can i ask you to highlight where i said a young striker? Burgzorg is 25 years old. he has 6 in 20. We managed to find him and sign him on loan for the season even with our budget and the fact that we’d been in a relegation battle all of last season. i’m asking for a striker who can score 8 - 12 in 21. so a striker that can score 2 - 4 more goals in 1 more game than Burgzorg has scored. Why isn’t that going to happen? And remember that Burgzorg had scored those goals in a team that’s not had a lot of possession or created a lot of chances. So in a team gaining more possession and creating more chances he may well have 8-10 in 20. If we consider that the club are probably looking to bring in additional quality players to help us gain more possession and create more chances, in essence, why can we not find another Burgzorg? Well Jordan Rhodes has scored 15 goals this season, why can't he do that job? Cos he won't be up against league 1 defenders ? He hasn't scored 15 in the last 3 seasons combined at this level. |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 29, 2023 17:49:46 GMT 1
I'm sentimental when it comes to football... I want him back so that he can score his 100 goals for Huddersfield Town. He might just about get there by the end of the season, whereas he could get 25 for Blackpool |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 29, 2023 17:57:21 GMT 1
Well Jordan Rhodes has scored 15 goals this season, why can't he do that job? Cos he won't be up against league 1 defenders ? He hasn't scored 15 in the last 3 seasons combined at this level. Yeah, but... |
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Post by exberlinerterrier on Dec 29, 2023 23:19:58 GMT 1
Would Jordan have scored the chance that evaded Hudlin at the end?
Bring Rhodes back and he’s our first choice striker on Jan 1st (in a world where Burgzorg is playing off the left wing). Hopefully by the end of the window Rhodes would be 3rd choice.
Bring him back simply because he is better than Hudlin.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Dec 30, 2023 1:28:52 GMT 1
Your short sightedness is comical. A player of ours has banged 15 goals in the league below. The past is irrelevant. He is a natural finisher and confidence must be brimming. Give him the ball in the right places and he will score. His finishing isn't the problem, it's the garbage around him that is. It’s hardly short sidedness though is it. 38 goals in 208 appearances over 8 seasons. 5 goals in 34 appearances last season, 8 goals in 55 games in the last 2 seasons for Town. Those stats suggest that he can’t do it at Championship level. He had 3 good seasons at championship level after leaving us for Blackburn. Scoring 26, 25 & 21 In the seasons since he’s scored 10, 6, 3, 5, 6, 3, 7, 3 & 5 goals. Prior to us getting promoted to the championship he scored 19, 16 & 35 in league 1. He’s now dropped down to League 1 and scored 15 in half a season…… out of 12 seasons in the Championship He’s had 4 seasons where he’s got into double figures, which were his first 4 seasons. He’s than had 8 seasons where he’s failed to get into double figures. Surely those stats show that he is a League 1 standard striker Rhodes started 15 games last season. Most of the other appeaeances were 10/15 mins off the bench when we were chasing the game. Rhodes is a victim of modern day managers' obsession with playing one up front. Blackpool play two up front & he's suddenly firing on all cylinders again & plays every game. He might not be the Rhodes of old but he's surely worth bringing back, particularly as Moore's prefered option is to play two up front & with our chronic lack of other options. |
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Post by Terriersmad on Dec 30, 2023 1:39:30 GMT 1
It’s hardly short sidedness though is it. 38 goals in 208 appearances over 8 seasons. 5 goals in 34 appearances last season, 8 goals in 55 games in the last 2 seasons for Town. Those stats suggest that he can’t do it at Championship level. He had 3 good seasons at championship level after leaving us for Blackburn. Scoring 26, 25 & 21 In the seasons since he’s scored 10, 6, 3, 5, 6, 3, 7, 3 & 5 goals. Prior to us getting promoted to the championship he scored 19, 16 & 35 in league 1. He’s now dropped down to League 1 and scored 15 in half a season…… out of 12 seasons in the Championship He’s had 4 seasons where he’s got into double figures, which were his first 4 seasons. He’s than had 8 seasons where he’s failed to get into double figures. Surely those stats show that he is a League 1 standard striker Rhodes started 15 games last season. Most of the other appeaeances were 10/15 mins off the bench when we were chasing the game. Rhodes is a victim of modern day managers' obsession with playing one up front. Blackpool play two up front & he's suddenly firing on all cylinders again & plays every game. He might not be the Rhodes of old but he's surely worth bringing back, particularly as Moore's prefered option is to play two up front & with our chronic lack of other options. Minutes and chances. 6 goals in 1,538 minutes. A goal every 256 minutes, all told, in a struggling side. It's a similar story for each of the last few seasons. Quick maths to 2016/2017, and it's 6,815 league minutes - the equivalent of almost 76 full matches (less than two seasons). 33 goals in that time - which on a goals: minutes ratio is none too shabby. A goal every 206 minutes works out at not far shy of 20 a season - not far short of what he was getting before his Sheffield Wednesday move. Bringing him back depends on whether we're going to get the ball to him in the danger zone. If we do, he'll score goals. If we don't, it will prove pointless. |
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Post by impact on Dec 30, 2023 9:48:25 GMT 1
Would Jordan have scored the chance that evaded Hudlin at the end? Bring Rhodes back and he’s our first choice striker on Jan 1st (in a world where Burgzorg is playing off the left wing). Hopefully by the end of the window Rhodes would be 3rd choice. Bring him back simply because he is better than Hudlin. My exact thought for that chance was Rhodes would have scored it, or at the very least got on the end of it. He has the striker's instinct. Hudlin does not. |
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Post by rocky on Dec 30, 2023 10:22:12 GMT 1
Would Jordan have scored the chance that evaded Hudlin at the end? Bring Rhodes back and he’s our first choice striker on Jan 1st (in a world where Burgzorg is playing off the left wing). Hopefully by the end of the window Rhodes would be 3rd choice. Bring him back simply because he is better than Hudlin. My exact thought for that chance was Rhodes would have scored it, or at the very least got on the end of it. He has the striker's instinct. Hudlin does not. Absolutely right. Anyone who doesn’t want Rhodes recalling should look at the ‘bench’ we are putting out these days! |
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Post by impact on Dec 30, 2023 11:06:19 GMT 1
You are essentially asking for a younger striker that averages 1 goal every 2 games. Those are like gold-dust and will be sought after by teams in the top 6. Given our budget and league position it just ain't going to happen. Can i ask you to highlight where i said a young striker? Burgzorg is 25 years old. he has 6 in 20. We managed to find him and sign him on loan for the season even with our budget and the fact that we’d been in a relegation battle all of last season. i’m asking for a striker who can score 8 - 12 in 21. so a striker that can score 2 - 4 more goals in 1 more game than Burgzorg has scored. Why isn’t that going to happen? And remember that Burgzorg had scored those goals in a team that’s not had a lot of possession or created a lot of chances. So in a team gaining more possession and creating more chances he may well have 8-10 in 20. If we consider that the club are probably looking to bring in additional quality players to help us gain more possession and create more chances, in essence, why can we not find another Burgzorg? And as I have asked before, where do you magic that player from? Every club wants the 20 goal a year striker and they sure as hell aren't cheap. Rhodes in 21/22 played the minutes of 8 games. 3 goals, 3 assists. 5 goals in the minutes of 16 games last year. Actually play him and you'll see goals. Counting 5 minutes here and there as a game without a goal is disingenuous at best. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Dec 30, 2023 12:09:45 GMT 1
I have to say, I find it incredible that anyone doesn't want him back. Of course he's not the player he was, & we need more than him coming in up front but the bottom line is if you had to put a player on the field to score a goal that would save your life, would you have JR, Ward, Hudlin or Harratt?
Unless you'd pick all the other 3 before JR, he has to come back & be a better option off the bench.
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Post by Sparrow on Dec 30, 2023 14:30:00 GMT 1
Can i ask you to highlight where i said a young striker? Burgzorg is 25 years old. he has 6 in 20. We managed to find him and sign him on loan for the season even with our budget and the fact that we’d been in a relegation battle all of last season. i’m asking for a striker who can score 8 - 12 in 21. so a striker that can score 2 - 4 more goals in 1 more game than Burgzorg has scored. Why isn’t that going to happen? And remember that Burgzorg had scored those goals in a team that’s not had a lot of possession or created a lot of chances. So in a team gaining more possession and creating more chances he may well have 8-10 in 20. If we consider that the club are probably looking to bring in additional quality players to help us gain more possession and create more chances, in essence, why can we not find another Burgzorg? And as I have asked before, where do you magic that player from? Every club wants the 20 goal a year striker and they sure as hell aren't cheap. Rhodes in 21/22 played the minutes of 8 games. 3 goals, 3 assists. 5 goals in the minutes of 16 games last year. Actually play him and you'll see goals. Counting 5 minutes here and there as a game without a goal is disingenuous at best. And as i’ve said before, Burgzorg has 6 in 20, in a team that’s mainly been playing defensively, with limited possession and limited chances. At the rate he’s at, he’d be on for 13/14 goals this season in 46 games. In a more attacking team, with more of the possession, creating more chances, he most likely gets 18-20 goals. We managed to find him and convince him to join us on loan for the season. And what was his transfer value at the time? £1m - £1.5m ?? So my question to you is, if we managed to find Burgzorg, a player valued at around £1.5m, why can we not find another one that we could afford and that would be prepared to come. I think the assumption that we are incapable of finding such players or convincing them to come or being able to afford them baffling. In terms of Rhodes, I don’t think he’s a championship player anymore and i certainly don’t think he’d get into double figures. Do you honestly think he is? Let’s see what he does if we do bring him back. If he does come back then i hope i’m back on this thread in May eating loads of humble pie. It’ll also be interesting to see if any championship clubs try and actually sign him from us in January or if he joins one in the summer. Be interesting to see if he’s a championship or League 1 striker next season. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Dec 30, 2023 14:41:51 GMT 1
We won’t need Rhodes to get double figures, we’d just need him to come on instead of Hudlin and convert one of Sorba’s great deliveries.
2 years ago he did it and got us to Wembley. Last night he wasn’t there and Hudlin missed it.
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Post by Sparrow on Dec 30, 2023 14:44:37 GMT 1
I have to say, I find it incredible that anyone doesn't want him back. Of course he's not the player he was, & we need more than him coming in up front but the bottom line is if you had to put a player on the field to score a goal that would save your life, would you have JR, Ward, Hudlin or Harratt? Unless you'd pick all the other 3 before JR, he has to come back & be a better option off the bench. In a 532 / 352 formation then yes Rhodes is a far better option of the bench However, in a 451 / 433 formation, then Rhodes wouldn’t really be much of an option. So i guess it may depend on who we get in other positions and what formation Darren Moore actually wants to play |
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Post by goodbet on Dec 30, 2023 17:18:08 GMT 1
I was not a in favour of re signing Rhodes, but I can see the logic of recalling him in January. That is if he is for cover off the bench not an excuse not to bring in a quality striker.
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Post by cuz on Jan 3, 2024 19:18:22 GMT 1
Any news on whether we are planning to trigger his recall?
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 3, 2024 19:44:58 GMT 1
Any news on whether we are planning to trigger his recall? Hopefully no news whatsoever. |
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Post by omegasupreme on Jan 4, 2024 1:43:18 GMT 1
Your short sightedness is comical. A player of ours has banged 15 goals in the league below. The past is irrelevant. He is a natural finisher and confidence must be brimming. Give him the ball in the right places and he will score. His finishing isn't the problem, it's the garbage around him that is. It’s hardly short sidedness though is it. 38 goals in 208 appearances over 8 seasons. 5 goals in 34 appearances last season, 8 goals in 55 games in the last 2 seasons for Town. Those stats suggest that he can’t do it at Championship level. He had 3 good seasons at championship level after leaving us for Blackburn. Scoring 26, 25 & 21 In the seasons since he’s scored 10, 6, 3, 5, 6, 3, 7, 3 & 5 goals. Prior to us getting promoted to the championship he scored 19, 16 & 35 in league 1. He’s now dropped down to League 1 and scored 15 in half a season…… out of 12 seasons in the Championship He’s had 4 seasons where he’s got into double figures, which were his first 4 seasons. He’s than had 8 seasons where he’s failed to get into double figures. Surely those stats show that he is a League 1 standard striker Not sure what there is to debate about Rhodes. I agree with the people who say we should recall him but I also agree with the posters who argue that league one is his level and he isn’t really good enough. I think both stances are equally true. It just sheds light on the sad state of affairs that even though he’s probably not what we need and/or ‘championship quality’ he still strengthens our piss weak current squad. |
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Post by shawsie on Jan 4, 2024 2:23:45 GMT 1
It’s hardly short sidedness though is it. 38 goals in 208 appearances over 8 seasons. 5 goals in 34 appearances last season, 8 goals in 55 games in the last 2 seasons for Town. Those stats suggest that he can’t do it at Championship level. He had 3 good seasons at championship level after leaving us for Blackburn. Scoring 26, 25 & 21 In the seasons since he’s scored 10, 6, 3, 5, 6, 3, 7, 3 & 5 goals. Prior to us getting promoted to the championship he scored 19, 16 & 35 in league 1. He’s now dropped down to League 1 and scored 15 in half a season…… out of 12 seasons in the Championship He’s had 4 seasons where he’s got into double figures, which were his first 4 seasons. He’s than had 8 seasons where he’s failed to get into double figures. Surely those stats show that he is a League 1 standard striker Not sure what there is to debate about Rhodes. I agree with the people who say we should recall him but I also agree with the posters who argue that league one is his level and he isn’t really good enough. I think both stances are equally true. It just sheds light on the sad state of affairs that even though he’s probably not what we need and/or ‘championship quality’ he still strengthens our piss weak current squad. Time to move on from JR imho. Owes us nothing - scored plenty, earned us plenty but we dont have the players in the squad to feed him enough at this level and he isnt a lone striker at this level either. Better than hudlin or harratt right now but we simply need better. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jan 4, 2024 8:09:10 GMT 1
“Owes us nothing” - we gave him a decent 3 year contract, might have been his only offer in the championship, and I doubt Blackpool are paying all his wages.
Thomas has created more chances than almost anyone in the league - if we had Rhodes on against Boro he’d have taken that late chance Hudlin had.
It is time to move on from Rhodes, but unless we’re signing two strikers that can make an impact immediately then we should bring him back.
Imagine if we went down for want of goals and Blackpool got promoted with Rhodes bagging 28 goals.
No room for sentiment in football, if it gives us a 1% gain then we should have him back here.
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Post by omegasupreme on Jan 4, 2024 9:40:57 GMT 1
Not sure what there is to debate about Rhodes. I agree with the people who say we should recall him but I also agree with the posters who argue that league one is his level and he isn’t really good enough. I think both stances are equally true. It just sheds light on the sad state of affairs that even though he’s probably not what we need and/or ‘championship quality’ he still strengthens our piss weak current squad. Time to move on from JR imho. Owes us nothing - scored plenty, earned us plenty but we dont have the players in the squad to feed him enough at this level and he isnt a lone striker at this level either. Better than hudlin or harratt right now but we simply need better. Time to move on IF we can bring better players in. Seems obvious but didn’t do it at the beggining of the season. Or after the Wembley defeat for that matter. Sadly, at this moment he improves our squad. He would be first player on bench. |
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Post by Amigo on Jan 4, 2024 10:11:00 GMT 1
Any news on whether we are planning to trigger his recall? Hopefully no news whatsoever. Yeah, but... |
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