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Post by sabailand on Aug 25, 2023 14:30:48 GMT 1
I notice that the BBC have really been flogging this story, and so far the Chairman (or whatever his official title is) has refused to resign... What I haven't seen (admittedly I haven't done much digging) is any complaints from the player herself. Sure, kissing her on the lips seems a bit weird to us Brits, especially in current year- but is it as much of a taboo to Mediterranean sensibilities? I know the Spaniards are a bit more socially conservative than Italians, but the uproar seems to be coming mostly from the Anglosphere. At first she said she felt uncomfortable. Then she said it was a "caught-in-the-moment" type thing (paraphrasing) But she HAS said since it was wrong, and he's apologised for it. Kissing on the cheek is cultural to Spain, not the lips as (I think) Canary Isle Terrier pointed out originally. The national ladies team have Just become world champions, passions are high, elation is through the roof, head of spanish FA gets etiquette wrong in the heat of the moment, she might not have been too chuffed but no harm done.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 25, 2023 14:39:25 GMT 1
At first she said she felt uncomfortable. Then she said it was a "caught-in-the-moment" type thing (paraphrasing) But she HAS said since it was wrong, and he's apologised for it. Kissing on the cheek is cultural to Spain, not the lips as (I think) Canary Isle Terrier pointed out originally. The national ladies team have Just become world champions, passions are high, elation is through the roof, head of spanish FA gets etiquette wrong in the heat of the moment, she might not have been too chuffed but no harm done. Etiquette wrong ? As has already been pointed out, the Spanish greet each other by a kiss on the cheek not full on the lips. It was the wrong etiquette in the same way as if we'd have won, and William had bothered to go, that he greeted Millie Bright by pulling out the strap on that Kates mate wears when she buggers him 🤨
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Post by mosher on Aug 25, 2023 14:45:44 GMT 1
At first she said she felt uncomfortable. Then she said it was a "caught-in-the-moment" type thing (paraphrasing) But she HAS said since it was wrong, and he's apologised for it. Kissing on the cheek is cultural to Spain, not the lips as (I think) Canary Isle Terrier pointed out originally. The national ladies team have Just become world champions, passions are high, elation is through the roof, head of spanish FA gets etiquette wrong in the heat of the moment, she might not have been too chuffed but no harm done. I get what you're saying about no harm done, as there's no physical damage. But I've been kissed on the lips (by my uncle's gay mate) when I wasn't expecting it and wouldn't have said he could if he'd asked first. It's not nice.
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Post by sabailand on Aug 25, 2023 14:49:22 GMT 1
The national ladies team have Just become world champions, passions are high, elation is through the roof, head of spanish FA gets etiquette wrong in the heat of the moment, she might not have been too chuffed but no harm done. Etiquette wrong ? As has already been pointed out, the Spanish greet each other by a kiss on the cheek not full on the lips. It was the wrong etiquette in the same way as if we'd have won, and William had bothered to go, that he greeted Millie Bright by pulling out the strap on that Kates mate wears when she buggers him 🤨 Kissed her on the lips and he shouldnt have done, end of the world.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Aug 25, 2023 17:46:04 GMT 1
I notice that the BBC have really been flogging this story, and so far the Chairman (or whatever his official title is) has refused to resign... What I haven't seen (admittedly I haven't done much digging) is any complaints from the player herself. Sure, kissing her on the lips seems a bit weird to us Brits, especially in current year- but is it as much of a taboo to Mediterranean sensibilities? I know the Spaniards are a bit more socially conservative than Italians, but the uproar seems to be coming mostly from the Anglosphere. At first she said she felt uncomfortable. Then she said it was a "caught-in-the-moment" type thing (paraphrasing) But she HAS said since it was wrong, and he's apologised for it. Kissing on the cheek is cultural to Spain, not the lips as (I think) Canary Isle Terrier pointed out originally. Thanks for the correction. The fact that she seems not sure how to react does suggest that it was a bit of a faux-pas regardless of culture. But the way the BBC is banging on about it seems a bit OTT. I get the impression that her feelings are way down their list of priorities, well below their desire to score political points.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Aug 25, 2023 17:48:07 GMT 1
The national ladies team have Just become world champions, passions are high, elation is through the roof, head of spanish FA gets etiquette wrong in the heat of the moment, she might not have been too chuffed but no harm done. Etiquette wrong ? As has already been pointed out, the Spanish greet each other by a kiss on the cheek not full on the lips. It was the wrong etiquette in the same way as if we'd have won, and William had bothered to go, that he greeted Millie Bright by pulling out the strap on that Kates mate wears when she buggers him 🤨 tbh getting pegged seems more like Harry's wheelhouse
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 25, 2023 17:48:30 GMT 1
At first she said she felt uncomfortable. Then she said it was a "caught-in-the-moment" type thing (paraphrasing) But she HAS said since it was wrong, and he's apologised for it. Kissing on the cheek is cultural to Spain, not the lips as (I think) Canary Isle Terrier pointed out originally. Thanks for the correction. The fact that she seems not sure how to react does suggest that it was a bit of a faux-pas regardless of culture. But the way the BBC is banging on about it seems a bit OTT. I get the impression that her feelings are way down their list of priorities, well below their desire to score political points. Is it being banged on about to divert from the latest government embarrassment 🤔
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 25, 2023 17:53:34 GMT 1
Etiquette wrong ? As has already been pointed out, the Spanish greet each other by a kiss on the cheek not full on the lips. It was the wrong etiquette in the same way as if we'd have won, and William had bothered to go, that he greeted Millie Bright by pulling out the strap on that Kates mate wears when she buggers him 🤨 tbh getting pegged seems more like Harry's wheelhouse Supposed to be Williams favourite pastime. There was a brilliant photoshop after the Euro final, the original photo was Chloe Kelly running away while twirling her shirt above her head. The photoshop had changed the shirt to a strap-on and had William chasing after her. No wonder when his dad preferred shagging someone that looks like an old horse when he had Di at home 🫣
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Post by tepidterrier on Aug 26, 2023 0:55:27 GMT 1
What a fucking disgraceful end to a brilliant tournament. The amount that it's dragging on is starting to overshadow Spain's win now. Over 80 players from the Spanish national teams, both women's and men's, are now not considering themselves for selection until Rubiales is sacked.
Rubiales has gone on some bizarre tirade in a Spanish FA meeting making further claims about the kiss/sexual assault that Hermoso is refuting (he most certainly has NOT apologised), his uncle is claiming he used FA money to organise orgies, he's offering the coach a new 500k a year contract (who the women's team had previously gone on strike to attempt to remove him), and now the Prime Minister is getting involved.
He's an almost comical figure in the context of the tournament. A third rate player who's fallen upwards, managed the FA incompetently, sexually assaulted a player with all the eyes of the world on him, then tried to discredit her version of events afterwards.
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Post by markthehorn on Aug 26, 2023 1:25:34 GMT 1
The guy saw the kiss as "*a moment of emotion and passion" but think he has found everyone took a rather more serious and less jolly tone to it.
Apparently so did the player too at first but she soon changed her mind.
Got the impression that the guy wasn't very popular anyway and not really acted in the way a man in his position should before too.
And trying to play himself as the victim doesn’t help .
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Post by tepidterrier on Aug 26, 2023 8:39:55 GMT 1
The guy saw the kiss as "*a moment of emotion and passion" but think he has found everyone took a rather more serious and less jolly tone to it. Apparently so did the player too at first but she soon changed her mind. Got the impression that the guy wasn't very popular anyway and not really acted in the way a man in his position should before too. And trying to play himself as the victim doesn’t help . She's well within her rights to reinterpret what happened after the fact, now she's had some time to properly think about it and come off the high of winning the tournament. Either way, her initial statement never agreed with his version of events. It was 'I didn't like it' or words to that effect. RFEF are now suing her which I'm sure will go well for them. Rubiales once attempted to sue Wikipedia for reporting facts about him.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Aug 26, 2023 8:41:07 GMT 1
At first she said she felt uncomfortable. Then she said it was a "caught-in-the-moment" type thing (paraphrasing) But she HAS said since it was wrong, and he's apologised for it. Kissing on the cheek is cultural to Spain, not the lips as (I think) Canary Isle Terrier pointed out originally. Thanks for the correction. The fact that she seems not sure how to react does suggest that it was a bit of a faux-pas regardless of culture. But the way the BBC is banging on about it seems a bit OTT. I get the impression that her feelings are way down their list of priorities, well below their desire to score political points. It isn’t exclusively the BBC reporting on this pretty important story though is it? Both Sky and ITV are covering it. The Spanish FA is now backing him, trying to say the player is lying and pretty much making every misogynistic move in the playbook - blaming and gaslighting the wronged woman. The background to this is also eminently newsworthy - the rows between Spain’s women squad and their FA is well documented. Now their achievements are being overshadowed by the actions of a complete prick. It isn’t “just a regrettable faux pas” either - as always, there is an imbalance of power dynamic involving a young woman and a powerful man. I know whose side I’m on.
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Post by tepidterrier on Aug 26, 2023 8:55:02 GMT 1
Thanks for the correction. The fact that she seems not sure how to react does suggest that it was a bit of a faux-pas regardless of culture. But the way the BBC is banging on about it seems a bit OTT. I get the impression that her feelings are way down their list of priorities, well below their desire to score political points. It isn’t exclusively the BBC reporting on this pretty important story though is it? Both Sky and ITV are covering it. The Spanish FA is now backing him, trying to say the player is lying and pretty much making every misogynistic move in the playbook - blaming and gaslighting the wronged woman. The background to this is also eminently newsworthy - the rows between Spain’s women squad and their FA is well documented. Now their achievements are being overshadowed by the actions of a complete prick. It isn’t “just a regrettable faux pas” either - as always, there is an imbalance of power dynamic involving a young woman and a powerful man. I know whose side I’m on. It says a lot about the calibre of the man that he's trying to twist the narrative around something that was caught on camera. There's no 'he said she said' argument to be had if people just look at the video! She tries to move away, but he's holding her head with both hands and pulls her towards him. And agreed, this is justifiably a huge scandal and an ongoing event too. It should continue to be reported and continue to make people uncomfortable
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Post by sabailand on Aug 26, 2023 11:31:58 GMT 1
Players refusing to play unless he goes is massively disproportianate, its ridiculous, no he shouldbnt have kissed her on the lips but he did in a moment of sheer euphoria and the fallout is fkn pethetic.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Aug 26, 2023 11:37:25 GMT 1
Players refusing to play unless he goes is massively disproportianate, its ridiculous, no he shouldbnt have kissed her on the lips but he did in a moment of sheer euphoria and the fallout is fkn pethetic. Yeah, who cares about a bit of casual sexual assault.
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Post by sabailand on Aug 26, 2023 11:47:42 GMT 1
Players refusing to play unless he goes is massively disproportianate, its ridiculous, no he shouldbnt have kissed her on the lips but he did in a moment of sheer euphoria and the fallout is fkn pethetic. Yeah, who cares about a bit of casual sexual assault. Kissing a woman in a moment of sheer euphoria isnt sexual assault to me.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Aug 26, 2023 11:49:26 GMT 1
Yeah, who cares about a bit of casual sexual assault. Kissing a woman in a moment of sheer euphoria isnt sexual assault to me. Good grief.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Aug 26, 2023 13:25:23 GMT 1
Thanks for the correction. The fact that she seems not sure how to react does suggest that it was a bit of a faux-pas regardless of culture. But the way the BBC is banging on about it seems a bit OTT. I get the impression that her feelings are way down their list of priorities, well below their desire to score political points. It isn’t exclusively the BBC reporting on this pretty important story though is it? Both Sky and ITV are covering it. The Spanish FA is now backing him, trying to say the player is lying and pretty much making every misogynistic move in the playbook - blaming and gaslighting the wronged woman. The background to this is also eminently newsworthy - the rows between Spain’s women squad and their FA is well documented. Now their achievements are being overshadowed by the actions of a complete prick. It isn’t “just a regrettable faux pas” either - as always, there is an imbalance of power dynamic involving a young woman and a powerful man. I know whose side I’m on. On balance he probably should resign, simply because not doing brings the Spanish FA into disrepute- and the "twisting of the narrative" is definitely not a good look... but at the same time, this idea of it being "Spain's #MeToo" is a bit of a stretch. It was a daft thing to do, and was a bit weird and creepy, and I take your point about the power dynamic- but he's hardly Jeffrey Epstein, he's not even Louis C.K. It's a great shame that this has overshadowed what should have been a moment of great celebration for the team.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 26, 2023 13:29:31 GMT 1
Yeah, who cares about a bit of casual sexual assault. Kissing a woman in a moment of sheer euphoria isnt sexual assault to me. Go kiss some random woman at the ground today. See if she, or the Police, agree
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Post by sabailand on Aug 26, 2023 18:53:21 GMT 1
Kissing a woman in a moment of sheer euphoria isnt sexual assault to me. Go kiss some random woman at the ground today. See if she, or the Police, agree One week you're calling female ref a card, week after you're going all me too, make your mind up.
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Post by King Curtis on Aug 26, 2023 19:16:28 GMT 1
Things like this can happen when emotions are running high.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Aug 26, 2023 19:22:11 GMT 1
Things like this can happen when emotions are running high. She should be kissing the horse, it did all the hard work 😉
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Post by King Curtis on Aug 26, 2023 19:25:39 GMT 1
Things like this can happen when emotions are running high. She should be kissing the horse, it did all the hard work 😉 But how do you know if the horse would find it appropriate? I suppose it would struggle to tweet about it though
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2023 19:33:02 GMT 1
As I said on another thread, it's about the player - a woman - defining *her* boundaries. If it made her feel uncomfortable - it did, that's on record - then it was inappropriate. For nameless and faceless middle-aged men on an Internet forum for a mediocre football team to try to gaslight her from afar, trying to claim it was perfectly appropriate, is at best disingenuous and at worst deeply troubling.
Her body, her boundaries, her call.
(And also, as I said on the other thread - he also (allegedly) asked another player what colour underwear she was wearing - try defending that, fellas)
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Post by King Curtis on Aug 26, 2023 19:45:52 GMT 1
As I said on another thread, it's about the player - a woman - defining *her* boundaries. If it made her feel uncomfortable - it did, that's on record - then it was inappropriate. For nameless and faceless middle-aged men on an Internet forum for a mediocre football team to try to gaslight her from afar, trying to claim it was perfectly appropriate, is at best disingenuous and at worst deeply troubling. Her body, her boundaries, her call. (And also, as I said on the other thread - he also (allegedly) asked another player what colour underwear she was wearing - try defending that, fellas) Turing There is no gaslighting going on. I fully believe the lady in question when she says it felt inappropriate and it crossed her boundaries. If that is how she felt then she absolutely has the right to say so. There's a quick and simple solution - the other individual in the situation offers an apology and if it is accepted - everything calms down. It's the OTT pile on calling for heads to roll that has resulted in a baffling statement from the Spanish FA. Why has it blown up into such an issue?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2023 19:57:29 GMT 1
As I said on another thread, it's about the player - a woman - defining *her* boundaries. If it made her feel uncomfortable - it did, that's on record - then it was inappropriate. For nameless and faceless middle-aged men on an Internet forum for a mediocre football team to try to gaslight her from afar, trying to claim it was perfectly appropriate, is at best disingenuous and at worst deeply troubling. Her body, her boundaries, her call. (And also, as I said on the other thread - he also (allegedly) asked another player what colour underwear she was wearing - try defending that, fellas) Turing There is no gaslighting going on. I fully believe the lady in question when she says it felt inappropriate and it crossed her boundaries. If that is how she felt then she absolutely has the right to say so. There's a quick and simple solution - the other individual in the situation offers an apology and if it is accepted - everything calms down. It's the OTT pile on calling for heads to roll that has resulted in a baffling statement from the Spanish FA. Why has it blown up into such an issue? What you're doing there - trying to claim an apology is enough to make everything okay - is literally gaslighting.
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Post by King Curtis on Aug 26, 2023 20:08:13 GMT 1
Turing There is no gaslighting going on. I fully believe the lady in question when she says it felt inappropriate and it crossed her boundaries. If that is how she felt then she absolutely has the right to say so. There's a quick and simple solution - the other individual in the situation offers an apology and if it is accepted - everything calms down. It's the OTT pile on calling for heads to roll that has resulted in a baffling statement from the Spanish FA. Why has it blown up into such an issue? What you're doing there - trying to claim an apology is enough to make everything okay - is literally gaslighting. That would depend on whether the individual in question accepted the apology surely? Did you miss that bit?
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Aug 26, 2023 21:59:06 GMT 1
She should be kissing the horse, it did all the hard work 😉 But how do you know if the horse would find it appropriate? I suppose it would struggle to tweet about it though She did ask the horse, but it said neigh
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 26, 2023 23:46:10 GMT 1
Yeah, who cares about a bit of casual sexual assault. Kissing a woman in a moment of sheer euphoria isnt sexual assault to me. Yeah I think you’re right. Although the real moment of euphoria would have been when they scored, or at the final whistle. Maybe that’s the point he was holding his bollocks like Cameo? He should have known better at the point this occurred. Yeah it was still a charged atmosphere, but he should have been more aware of his surroundings. Maybe women’s football will turn this into a positive in their ongoing quest to get some respect in some quarters?
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 27, 2023 9:09:24 GMT 1
Go kiss some random woman at the ground today. See if she, or the Police, agree One week you're calling female ref a card, week after you're going all me too, make your mind up. What's that got to do with anything. I call refs c**** every week, regardless of their sex. You don't think there was anything wrong with him grabbing her and kissing her, the other week you didn't think anything was wrong with fat shaming women. You said you don't have kids. Maybe you'd think differently if you had daughters 🤷
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