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Post by sabailand on Aug 27, 2023 9:55:13 GMT 1
One week you're calling female ref a card, week after you're going all me too, make your mind up. What's that got to do with anything. I call refs cards every week, regardless of their sex. You don't think there was anything wrong with him grabbing her and kissing her, the other week you didn't think anything was wrong with fat shaming women. You said you don't have kids. Maybe you'd think differently if you had daughters 🤷 I have actually said its wrong in more than one occasion, he shouldnt have done what he did and now we see the consequences, my point was all about how much its all blown up out of all proportion, people do daft things when emotions are high. If i did have daughters and a random stranger grabbed her and tried to kiss her of course i would be concerned, but the circumstance of this incident are a lot different, and with that in mind a telling off and letting him know it wasnt the right thing to do surely would have been sufficient, instead winning the world cup has been overshadowed by a man kissing a woman in sheer joy in a sporting moment they might not experience again, if you dont agree fair enough but i always had you down as pretty much a sensible bloke even if we dont always agree politically.
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Post by johnny_b on Aug 28, 2023 18:56:38 GMT 1
I can't help thinking and wishing that she would have done what I'd expect a lot of women to do in that situation and just give him a right good fucking slap and bring him down a peg or two on the global stage. Shame it didn't happen but she was probably a little shocked and just stumbled along.
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Post by turbo2 on Aug 28, 2023 19:16:39 GMT 1
What's that got to do with anything. I call refs cards every week, regardless of their sex. You don't think there was anything wrong with him grabbing her and kissing her, the other week you didn't think anything was wrong with fat shaming women. You said you don't have kids. Maybe you'd think differently if you had daughters 🤷 I have actually said its wrong in more than one occasion, he shouldnt have done what he did and now we see the consequences, my point was all about how much its all blown up out of all proportion, people do daft things when emotions are high. If i did have daughters and a random stranger grabbed her and tried to kiss her of course i would be concerned, but the circumstance of this incident are a lot different, and with that in mind a telling off and letting him know it wasnt the right thing to do surely would have been sufficient, instead winning the world cup has been overshadowed by a man kissing a woman in sheer joy in a sporting moment they might not experience again, if you dont agree fair enough but i always had you down as pretty much a sensible bloke even if we dont always agree politically. I agree with sabs. Say’s tonight they are going to charge him with sexual assault. Ffs. This is just trivialising the real shit that many women have to put up with from men.
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Post by rockwall on Aug 28, 2023 19:41:11 GMT 1
This saga has become an absolute joke.
I'd be putting my marigolds on and throwing the kitchen sink at them all.
Don't get me wrong, he shouldn't have done it, and the camera footage previously of him holding his crotch doesn't help him; but they need to take the occasion into matters the emotions etc.
He has made a huge mistake and apologised for it. All the hounding by the media and female staff etc is embarrassing. Sexual assault?? Women out there are genuinly living in fear as they are being sexually assaulted. It is offensive to them. World has gone mad.
The women are wanting to be equal to men in the game etc. They need to get a grip.
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Post by King Curtis on Aug 28, 2023 20:13:30 GMT 1
The BBC fucking love a story like this though...
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Post by goodbet on Aug 28, 2023 22:12:15 GMT 1
The BBC fucking love a story like this though... Not just the BBC
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Post by Metch on Aug 28, 2023 22:31:22 GMT 1
These days I live in Spain. To say its blown out of all proportion is to not understand the history of the Spanish FA with womens football here and the big problem with machista violence in Spain. It was not just a kiss, it represented an ongoing battle here. Plus, stop bashing the bloody BBC, they are as impartial as you'll ever gonna get in this crazy world. Go and watch your GB news if you think this has been blown out of all proportion.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Aug 28, 2023 22:38:31 GMT 1
These days I live in Spain. To say its blown out of all proportion is to not understand the history of the Spanish FA with womens football here and the big problem with machista violence in Spain. It was not just a kiss, it represented an ongoing battle here. Plus, stop bashing the bloody BBC, they are as impartial as you'll ever gonna get in this crazy world. Go and watch your GB news if you think this has been blown out of all proportion. He won’t escape it there as they are reporting it too. The back story to all this is horribly fascinating - the prick who managed them before the latest prick was a right piece of work.
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Post by Macduff on Aug 28, 2023 22:58:08 GMT 1
This saga has become an absolute joke. I'd be putting my marigolds on and throwing the kitchen sink at them all. Don't get me wrong, he shouldn't have done it, and the camera footage previously of him holding his crotch doesn't help him; but they need to take the occasion into matters the emotions etc. He has made a huge mistake and apologised for it. All the hounding by the media and female staff etc is embarrassing. Sexual assault?? Women out there are genuinly living in fear as they are being sexually assaulted. It is offensive to them. World has gone mad. The women are wanting to be equal to men in the game etc. They need to get a grip. What a heap of shite. What about a casual grope, I mean that's not REAL assault is it, the sort that women "rightly" fear? There is a line to be drawn and that prick crossed it. Who needs to "get a grip"? Maybe if some bloke grabbed your wife or daughters face uninvited and kissed them on the lips you'd what, demand an apology? Fucks sake. Some folk (wonder if they are all men?) on here need go get a fucking grip.
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Post by sabailand on Aug 28, 2023 23:09:29 GMT 1
So a vicious 'sexual assault' that leaves a woman traumatized is classed the same (sexual assault) as a kiss on the lips in a moment of sheer euphoria, nah.
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Post by twyford on Aug 28, 2023 23:56:41 GMT 1
So a vicious 'sexual assault' that leaves a woman traumatized is classed the same (sexual assault) as a kiss on the lips in a moment of sheer euphoria, nah. A moment of sheer euphoria or a deliberate abuse of position in the expectation that there'd be no consequences, as why would there be in the comfortable boys' club he's so used to inhabiting? Same as the earlier antics in the box. Same as the manager's groping of the coach when the goal was scored.
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Post by rockwall on Aug 29, 2023 7:19:21 GMT 1
This saga has become an absolute joke. I'd be putting my marigolds on and throwing the kitchen sink at them all. Don't get me wrong, he shouldn't have done it, and the camera footage previously of him holding his crotch doesn't help him; but they need to take the occasion into matters the emotions etc. He has made a huge mistake and apologised for it. All the hounding by the media and female staff etc is embarrassing. Sexual assault?? Women out there are genuinly living in fear as they are being sexually assaulted. It is offensive to them. World has gone mad. The women are wanting to be equal to men in the game etc. They need to get a grip. What a heap of shite. What about a casual grope, I mean that's not REAL assault is it, the sort that women "rightly" fear? There is a line to be drawn and that prick crossed it. Who needs to "get a grip"? Maybe if some bloke grabbed your wife or daughters face uninvited and kissed them on the lips you'd what, demand an apology? Fucks sake. Some folk (wonder if they are all men?) on here need go get a fucking grip. Calm down dear.... If you read my post properly, I said he had made a mistake. But to call it sexual assault is ridiculous when women and men out there get sexually assaulted and live in fear. Take the emotions into account. Euphoria of the situation. He isn't just 'some' bloke is he? Do you believe it has been completely blown out of proportion? If not, you are one of the issues with today's PC society. Noone moaned when Neville kissed Scholes that day.... If it was a female kissing a male player there wouldn't be this much made of it.
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Post by twyford on Aug 29, 2023 8:25:00 GMT 1
What a heap of shite. What about a casual grope, I mean that's not REAL assault is it, the sort that women "rightly" fear? There is a line to be drawn and that prick crossed it. Who needs to "get a grip"? Maybe if some bloke grabbed your wife or daughters face uninvited and kissed them on the lips you'd what, demand an apology? Fucks sake. Some folk (wonder if they are all men?) on here need go get a fucking grip. Calm down dear.... If you read my post properly, I said he had made a mistake. But to call it sexual assault is ridiculous when women and men out there get sexually assaulted and live in fear. Take the emotions into account. Euphoria of the situation. He isn't just 'some' bloke is he? Do you believe it has been completely blown out of proportion? If not, you are one of the issues with today's PC society. Noone moaned when Neville kissed Scholes that day.... If it was a female kissing a male player there wouldn't be this much made of it. The 'euphoria of the moment' is a handy mantra for apologists. Remember, 15 international players turned down an opportunity to represent their country at a world cup rather than continue to expose themselves to the environment this man presided over. The 'kiss' is just a public manifestation of the toxic environment they claim existed.
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Post by Macduff on Aug 29, 2023 8:37:57 GMT 1
What a heap of shite. What about a casual grope, I mean that's not REAL assault is it, the sort that women "rightly" fear? There is a line to be drawn and that prick crossed it. Who needs to "get a grip"? Maybe if some bloke grabbed your wife or daughters face uninvited and kissed them on the lips you'd what, demand an apology? Fucks sake. Some folk (wonder if they are all men?) on here need go get a fucking grip. Calm down dear.... If you read my post properly, I said he had made a mistake. But to call it sexual assault is ridiculous when women and men out there get sexually assaulted and live in fear. Take the emotions into account. Euphoria of the situation. He isn't just 'some' bloke is he? Do you believe it has been completely blown out of proportion? If not, you are one of the issues with today's PC society. Noone moaned when Neville kissed Scholes that day.... If it was a female kissing a male player there wouldn't be this much made of it. So that would be okay if it was your wife or daughter then, an apology? If that's how you choose to look after your family, fair enough.
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Post by rockwall on Aug 29, 2023 10:28:14 GMT 1
Calm down dear.... If you read my post properly, I said he had made a mistake. But to call it sexual assault is ridiculous when women and men out there get sexually assaulted and live in fear. Take the emotions into account. Euphoria of the situation. He isn't just 'some' bloke is he? Do you believe it has been completely blown out of proportion? If not, you are one of the issues with today's PC society. Noone moaned when Neville kissed Scholes that day.... If it was a female kissing a male player there wouldn't be this much made of it. The 'euphoria of the moment' is a handy mantra for apologists. Remember, 15 international players turned down an opportunity to represent their country at a world cup rather than continue to expose themselves to the environment this man presided over. The 'kiss' is just a public manifestation of the toxic environment they claim existed. Do your research, the 15 players had nothing to do with the president. They didn't play because of the manager and some of his staff.
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Post by rockwall on Aug 29, 2023 10:31:44 GMT 1
Calm down dear.... If you read my post properly, I said he had made a mistake. But to call it sexual assault is ridiculous when women and men out there get sexually assaulted and live in fear. Take the emotions into account. Euphoria of the situation. He isn't just 'some' bloke is he? Do you believe it has been completely blown out of proportion? If not, you are one of the issues with today's PC society. Noone moaned when Neville kissed Scholes that day.... If it was a female kissing a male player there wouldn't be this much made of it. So that would be okay if it was your wife or daughter then, an apology? If that's how you choose to look after your family, fair enough. It has nothing to do about looking after my family or children. This was a mistake that has been hugely blown over the top. Are you saying that it would have had the same coverage the other way around? It is just the modern day where people have a chance to ruin someone else's life for what? A mistake.
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Post by twyford on Aug 29, 2023 10:33:40 GMT 1
The 'euphoria of the moment' is a handy mantra for apologists. Remember, 15 international players turned down an opportunity to represent their country at a world cup rather than continue to expose themselves to the environment this man presided over. The 'kiss' is just a public manifestation of the toxic environment they claim existed. Do your research, the 15 players had nothing to do with the president. They didn't play because of the manager and some of his staff. and the culture created by the manager and some of his staff was allowed to exist, unchecked it would appear, under his presidency.
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Post by rockwall on Aug 29, 2023 10:37:55 GMT 1
Do your research, the 15 players had nothing to do with the president. They didn't play because of the manager and some of his staff. and the culture created by the manager and some of his staff was allowed to exist, unchecked it would appear, under his presidency. Which was all false claims. It all got taken higher than the president. FIFA investigated. Anyway have a good day 😘😘😘😘
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 29, 2023 10:50:17 GMT 1
and the culture created by the manager and some of his staff was allowed to exist, unchecked it would appear, under his presidency. Which was all false claims. It all got taken higher than the president. FIFA investigated. Anyway have a good day 😘😘😘😘 Oh well if FIFA investigated it.....nowt corrupt about them
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Post by twyford on Aug 29, 2023 11:19:17 GMT 1
and the culture created by the manager and some of his staff was allowed to exist, unchecked it would appear, under his presidency. Which was all false claims. It all got taken higher than the president. FIFA investigated. Anyway have a good day 😘😘😘😘 FIFA, presided over by Infantino whose speeches at the Kuwait WC and Women's WC clearly demonstrate his indifference to equal rights. If it was all false claims then we must believe 18 women who'd all been selected to represent their country previously and experienced the regime first hand decided to simultaneously but erroneously complain about that regime and, after said investigation, we must further believe that 15 of them were prepared to continue the 'charade' and exclude themselves from the possibility of representing their country again whilst the regime continued. That's some conspiracy theory. It's often the whistleblowers who suffer.
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Post by terryya on Aug 29, 2023 11:22:03 GMT 1
A few posters on here sounding like the Italian judge who tried a janitor who groped a 17 year old on her way to class. The janitor said it was "a joke" and the judge let him off because it lasted less than 10 seconds! link
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Post by mosher on Aug 29, 2023 15:08:39 GMT 1
I can see where some of the posters sticking up for the guy are coming from, it was JUST a kiss.
But in the context of the previous 2 years and everything that has gone on (that FIFA laughably excused) within the Spanish FA it's perfectly understandable it's been "blown out of proportion".
If you've just had to endure 2 years of pretty insidious things then a FORCED (he grabbed both sides of her face and pulled her towards him) kiss is going to be the straw I should imagine.
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Post by sabailand on Aug 29, 2023 15:54:31 GMT 1
Remember when Schindler scored at Wembley, how many of us on here hugged and kissed complete strangers in the moments aftrwards, perhaps one or two even kissed a stranger on the lips in those the moments of ecstacy, sheer elation, and joy.
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Post by mosher on Aug 29, 2023 16:34:01 GMT 1
Remember when Schindler scored at Wembley, how many of us on here hugged and kissed complete strangers in the moments aftrwards, perhaps one or two even kissed a stranger on the lips in those the moments of ecstacy, sheer elation, and joy. I get what you're saying Sabs, I really do. But those strangers you were hugging and kissing hadn't been subjected to 2 years of horrible behaviour by senior members of their staff, some seemingly deeply offensive. You or they also weren't in a senior position within an organisation you/they are beholden to. He stepped over a line IMO Although I wouldn't go as far as saying he "sexually assaulted" her, he should be reprimanded at the very least for it. And SHE shouldn't have the threat of court over her either, that's the thing that's REALLY stuck with me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2023 16:40:18 GMT 1
Some hard drives need checking, I reckon.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Aug 29, 2023 16:45:13 GMT 1
Remember when Schindler scored at Wembley, how many of us on here hugged and kissed complete strangers in the moments aftrwards, perhaps one or two even kissed a stranger on the lips in those the moments of ecstacy, sheer elation, and joy. Yes, quite a few from memory!
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Post by sabailand on Aug 29, 2023 19:01:19 GMT 1
Remember when Schindler scored at Wembley, how many of us on here hugged and kissed complete strangers in the moments aftrwards, perhaps one or two even kissed a stranger on the lips in those the moments of ecstacy, sheer elation, and joy. I get what you're saying Sabs, I really do. But those strangers you were hugging and kissing hadn't been subjected to 2 years of horrible behaviour by senior members of their staff, some seemingly deeply offensive. You or they also weren't in a senior position within an organisation you/they are beholden to. He stepped over a line IMO Although I wouldn't go as far as saying he "sexually assaulted" her, he should be reprimanded at the very least for it. And SHE shouldn't have the threat of court over her either, that's the thing that's REALLY stuck with me. I do actually agree with your points mosher, in fact i've said 3-4 times he was wrong, i just think its gone really over the top here, whats happened now is that a tournament which showed how good the womens game can be is now remembered for this, ffs even his mums on hunger strike in prison, all for a kiss in high exuberation. Some women who have been raped and suffered vicious sexual abuse must shake their head and weep.
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Post by rockwall on Aug 29, 2023 19:28:10 GMT 1
I get what you're saying Sabs, I really do. But those strangers you were hugging and kissing hadn't been subjected to 2 years of horrible behaviour by senior members of their staff, some seemingly deeply offensive. You or they also weren't in a senior position within an organisation you/they are beholden to. He stepped over a line IMO Although I wouldn't go as far as saying he "sexually assaulted" her, he should be reprimanded at the very least for it. And SHE shouldn't have the threat of court over her either, that's the thing that's REALLY stuck with me. I do actually agree with your points mosher, in fact i've said 3-4 times he was wrong, i just think its gone really over the top here, whats happened now is that a tournament which showed how good the womens game can be is now remembered for this, ffs even his mums on hunger strike in prison, all for a kiss in high exuberation. Some women who have been raped and suffered vicious sexual abuse must shake their head and weep. Your wording it spot on. Its exactly how I feel, but getting across in words I always struggle!
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Post by King Curtis on Aug 29, 2023 19:49:48 GMT 1
What do all the nose breathers and non-cured pork joints think about this incident at the Ebor festival last weekend?
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Post by tepidterrier on Aug 29, 2023 20:18:55 GMT 1
Remember when Schindler scored at Wembley, how many of us on here hugged and kissed complete strangers in the moments aftrwards, perhaps one or two even kissed a stranger on the lips in those the moments of ecstacy, sheer elation, and joy. It's the very moment when that happens. Lots of people hug a stranger in that euphoric moment immediately after a big goal or a big full time whistle. You weren't hugging or kissing strangers when the players were collecting their medals though were you? And if you would do that, would you do it by jumping on the stranger, pulling them in close and putting both hands on their head so they can't move, and then kiss them on the lips? All that said, I know what exactly you're referring to with euphoria taking over- we've all done something like it during one of the moments of fleeting joy that make life worth living. But I don't think that's what's happening with this incident because of his conduct since. If it was a momentary lapse caused by 10-15 minute late-onset euphoria, he wouldn't have falsified a statement from the player. He would have also found it much easier to apologise to her, because in the cold light of day he'd have seen that she wasn't happy with how he acted, and felt violated. Finally, why does he get to be ecstatic and not them? In doing so, he's robbed the ecstasy from the women who won the World Cup FFS, all in spite of, not because of, Rubiales' governance of the RFEF. He doesn't give a shit about them, and had already proved as much throughout his tenure, let alone through his behaviour in the last week. Why does the man get to be lose control through his elation? All the players managed to keep it together throughout the proudest moment of their professional lives without acting in that way. He's not got a leg to stand on, no two ways about it.
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