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Post by mosher on Aug 3, 2023 12:41:03 GMT 1
It's not about the wealth. The culture will be the reason it fails. Alot of the first  of players that have gone over are Muslim - Benzena, Kante, Kouibaly, Marhez etc. They will accept the way of life over there. See how much Jordan Henderson enjoys it. Wait until one of these boys says something about the regime and they chop him up.I was thinking this the other day. many of the pampered Pl players think they are above the law. Wait til one does that out in Saudi...... The Harry Maguire incident and England Dentist Chair thing would have gone VERY differently  |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 3, 2023 12:47:27 GMT 1
I was thinking this the other day. many of the pampered Pl players think they are above the law. Wait til one does that out in Saudi...... The Harry Maguire incident and England Dentist Chair thing would have gone VERY differently :D I don't think they'll have a problem finding a similar chair though, might not have been used for dentistry, but hey ho, don't worry about the minutiae... |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Aug 3, 2023 12:54:58 GMT 1
Certainly won’t be any beer and pork pies for the fans attending Saudi League games.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 3, 2023 12:57:05 GMT 1
Certainly won’t be any beer and pork pies for the fans attending Saudi League games. Conman and his flask might get through security? |
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Post by foxtrot666 on Aug 3, 2023 12:58:27 GMT 1
Saudi transfer window open 3 weeks longer than in Europe, Klopp not happy, shame that  |
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Post by richhtfc on Aug 3, 2023 13:00:56 GMT 1
This won't fail m8 It's being funded by the Saudi sovereign wealth fund which is worth thousands of billions...they are not even spending the interest accrued on such wealth yet!! They are not interested in tv money,,its peanuts to what they have It's not about the wealth. The culture will be the reason it fails. Alot of the first of players that have gone over are Muslim - Benzena, Kante, Kouibaly, Marhez etc. They will accept the way of life over there. See how much Jordan Henderson enjoys it. Wait until one of these boys says something about the regime and they chop him up. Considering the first bit of free time they get thousands of footballers and their families choose to holiday there, I don’t think settling in will be an issue for them. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 3, 2023 13:12:06 GMT 1
Saudi transfer window open 3 weeks longer than in Europe, Klopp not happy, shame that ;) How does that work then? I assume that it still means players can exit clubs even though the window is closed here? Maybe they should rename it the transfer purchase window? |
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Post by Norn Iron Terrier on Aug 3, 2023 14:05:22 GMT 1
They would have to move it to Europe first or just change the rules?? The amount of air travel that would be required for a world champions league and the time involved are both no, nos for now. You might see the reduction in International tournaments first? The odd nations cup will go first. They'll change the rules, they let Israel and Israeli clubs play in Europe, Australia gets a go in Eurovision. Plus Japan plays occasionally in the Copa America |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Aug 3, 2023 14:55:23 GMT 1
Should European leagues be worried ? I think so, so far it's mainly players who are nearing the end of their careers but that can easily change once younger players realise just how much money they can earn out there. Will the premier league still be regarded as the best in the world in 5 - 10 years ? If the Saudi's keep throwing money at the game like they are I'm not so sure. No, the simple reason being trophies. As much as footballers love money (as do we all) they also value winning things, and there is nothing of any real value to be won by playing over there. No major league trophy, no European trophy, no domestic cups, nothing. Also, the quality of football over there will be dire, so any player who genuinely values self improvement, playing for their country and reaching the top of their game, wouldn't look at SA as anything other than a retirement package. Think I'm wrong? Look at China, they tried the exact same approach, and it has got them nowhere. |
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Post by mosher on Aug 3, 2023 15:02:53 GMT 1
Should European leagues be worried ? I think so, so far it's mainly players who are nearing the end of their careers but that can easily change once younger players realise just how much money they can earn out there. Will the premier league still be regarded as the best in the world in 5 - 10 years ? If the Saudi's keep throwing money at the game like they are I'm not so sure. No, the simple reason being trophies. As much as footballers love money (as do we all) they also value winning things, and there is nothing of any real value to be won by playing over there. No major league trophy, no European trophy, no domestic cups, nothing. Also, the quality of football over there will be dire, so any player who genuinely values self improvement, playing for their country and reaching the top of their game, wouldn't look at SA as anything other than a retirement package. Think I'm wrong? Look at China, they tried the exact same approach, and it has got them nowhere. Whilst I agree that proper footballers will want to win things rather than move just for the wonga, comparisons to the "Chinese Soccer Revolution" are a touch wide of the mark IMO A lot of their team bankrollers ended up with financial difficulties which is why a few of their clubs have collapsed and their revolution curtailed. I'm sure I read that the majority of the people pumping money into teams withdrew their services when they realised just how little of their money they'd get back, on top of the ones that ended up financially screwed. I don't think the Saudis will have that problem unfortunately, but I DO hope theirs is as much of a flash in the pan as the Chinese one. |
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Post by shawsie on Aug 3, 2023 15:15:20 GMT 1
Should European leagues be worried ? I think so, so far it's mainly players who are nearing the end of their careers but that can easily change once younger players realise just how much money they can earn out there. Will the premier league still be regarded as the best in the world in 5 - 10 years ? If the Saudi's keep throwing money at the game like they are I'm not so sure. No, the simple reason being trophies. As much as footballers love money (as do we all) they also value winning things, and there is nothing of any real value to be won by playing over there. No major league trophy, no European trophy, no domestic cups, nothing. Also, the quality of football over there will be dire, so any player who genuinely values self improvement, playing for their country and reaching the top of their game, wouldn't look at SA as anything other than a retirement package. Think I'm wrong? Look at China, they tried the exact same approach, and it has got them nowhere. Totally different with the Saudis. The middle east has had a world cup and will be ready to bid for another - their wealthy elite also have tentacles over some of the big clubs in this country and mainland Europe. The Chinese did not. Whilst I dont disagree they have a huge way to go to come close to the european leagues, its not beyond the realms of possibility that a worldwide competition for elite clubs worldwide (incl Saudi) is formed in the short / medium term and their investment thus far indicates they aint going away anytime soon and ultimately money talks - as it did and does currently in golf, cricket and tennis. Interesting times ahead and potentially a tipping point in where the power sits in the beautiful game i suspect. |
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Post by sabailand on Aug 3, 2023 15:22:16 GMT 1
Should European leagues be worried ? I think so, so far it's mainly players who are nearing the end of their careers but that can easily change once younger players realise just how much money they can earn out there. Will the premier league still be regarded as the best in the world in 5 - 10 years ? If the Saudi's keep throwing money at the game like they are I'm not so sure. No, the simple reason being trophies. As much as footballers love money (as do we all) they also value winning things, and there is nothing of any real value to be won by playing over there. No major league trophy, no European trophy, no domestic cups, nothing. Also, the quality of football over there will be dire, so any player who genuinely values self improvement, playing for their country and reaching the top of their game, wouldn't look at SA as anything other than a retirement package. Think I'm wrong? Look at China, they tried the exact same approach, and it has got them nowhere. Going to have to disagree there sheriff, i firmly believe with footballers its money No1 and always has been, trophies are nice to have but whenever a player talks about why hes gone to 'X' club to win trophies hes talking out of his bottom, they've gone because their financial demands have been met, if a player goes to Saudi it wont be to win things cos that will be low down the list of priorities, it will be because of untold riches, im not at all saying there will be an exodus, just saying many footballers talk bollocks and say things you want to hear. Otherwise i agree the standard wont be up to much (at least initially) and yes it could stagnate like China. |
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Post by alexdire on Aug 3, 2023 15:31:41 GMT 1
A lot of the players they've signed who are at the peak of their game are practicing Muslims either Arab or African. This is probably by design so its not as big a shock when they move there. I think they are trying to create an alternate league for the Muslim stars can go, an Islamic Super League. Although god knows why the Brazilians have all gone there , they'll have real problems. Going forward I think a lot of African and Arab players will go there instead of Europe.
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Post by sabailand on Aug 3, 2023 15:44:18 GMT 1
A lot of the players they've signed who are at the peak of their game are practicing Muslims either Arab or African. This is probably by design so its not as big a shock when they move there. I think they are trying to create an alternate league for the Muslim stars can go, an Islamic Super League. Although god knows why the Brazilians have all gone there, they'll have real problems. Going forward I think a lot of African and Arab players will go there instead of Europe. Brazilian wives and girlfriends who have moved over and who like to wear next to nothing will have had the shock of their lives. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 3, 2023 16:25:23 GMT 1
Let's not forget the trailblazer
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Aug 3, 2023 16:45:41 GMT 1
They'll change the rules, they let Israel and Israeli clubs play in Europe, Australia gets a go in Eurovision. Plus Japan plays occasionally in the Copa America Both the Copa America and CONCACAF Gold Cup have "guest teams", they have room as there are only a dozen or so member nations in South America, and not many more in CONCACAF (many of which are tiny islands). Israel is a member of UEFA because some of the Western Asian members would boycott games against them if they were in the Asian Federation. There's an argument that as a nation Israel is culturally more "European" than (for example) Armenia or Azerbaijan. Australia being in Eurovision is a red-herring, there's no international federation of song contests. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Aug 3, 2023 17:01:55 GMT 1
A lot of the players they've signed who are at the peak of their game are practicing Muslims either Arab or African. This is probably by design so its not as big a shock when they move there. I think they are trying to create an alternate league for the Muslim stars can go, an Islamic Super League. Although god knows why the Brazilians have all gone there, they'll have real problems. Going forward I think a lot of African and Arab players will go there instead of Europe. Brazilian wives and girlfriends who have moved over and who like to wear next to nothing will have had the shock of their lives. They won't. Because none of them who have gone there will be living in Saudi - they will all be living in Bahrain. much more western style with bars and clubs. Its why the Saudis built a bridge there, make it easier for the hypocritical wealthy elite to get to on a weekend. |
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Post by royrace on Aug 3, 2023 17:04:54 GMT 1
Let them leave, I cant see it damaging the English leagues and you cant just manufacture a footballing culture no matter how much cash you chuck at it. What does damage is the obscene money getting spent in the PL. Hopefully if the Saudi league takes off they'll spend their money there instead. So being sports is English is it?? A middle Eastern broadcasting company spending millions of pounds on TV rights for Arab sports fans!! Think again m8...the Arabs love football What the fcuk are you on about you clown? Go and have a lie down. |
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Post by alexdire on Aug 3, 2023 17:24:12 GMT 1
Brazilian wives and girlfriends who have moved over and who like to wear next to nothing will have had the shock of their lives. They won't. Because none of them who have gone there will be living in Saudi - they will all be living in Bahrain. much more western style with bars and clubs. Its why the Saudis built a bridge there, make it easier for the hypocritical wealthy elite to get to on a weekend. The Brazilians have signed for clubs in Jeddah an Riyadh. They won't be driving across the causeway, Gerrard and Henderson will though. |
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Post by King Neil on Aug 4, 2023 8:18:57 GMT 1
So being sports is English is it?? A middle Eastern broadcasting company spending millions of pounds on TV rights for Arab sports fans!! Think again m8...the Arabs love football What the fcuk are you on about you clown? Go and have a lie down. I did yesterday with your lass😉 |
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Post by huddshroom on Aug 4, 2023 8:20:58 GMT 1
Okay for European clubs to do it in the past though? Maybe not at this wealth but it's comparable.
I couldn't care less about 'Elite' leagues, yeah money filters down, but barely.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 4, 2023 8:34:32 GMT 1
How does that work then? I assume that it still means players can exit clubs even though the window is closed here? Maybe they should rename it the transfer purchase window? Every country can set their own transfer window. They can have 2 during the year, 1 in pre-season that must be no longer than 12 weeks and 1 mid-season no longer than 4 weeks. I guess the Saudi's opened 3 weeks later than ours. Some countries will have different seasons to ours, eg the US MLS league runs through the summer so their pre-season is around Feb/Mar time (hence how Lewis O'Brien could go over there). I think this will all just lead to a Saudi backed European Super League eventually (similar to the Golf thing and how F1 is going) Thanks. I get that things will be staggered, but if the window in the UK is closed to transactions, I presume that must mean to buying or selling within the same domestic league, but if you want to offload someone internationally, then that’s OK as long as their transfer window is still open then? It makes sense of course, I just can’t recall it happening before. Maybe because most leagues start around the same time? Anyway, thanks for the reply. |
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Post by mosher on Aug 4, 2023 9:05:57 GMT 1
Let's not forget the trailblazer Trying to make everyone throw up Chips? |
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Post by hoggy1975 on Aug 4, 2023 9:14:33 GMT 1
So being sports is English is it?? A middle Eastern broadcasting company spending millions of pounds on TV rights for Arab sports fans!! Think again m8...the Arabs love football What the fcuk are you on about you clown? Go and have a lie down. Please put the drink down Roy. |
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Post by royrace on Aug 4, 2023 9:29:06 GMT 1
What the fcuk are you on about you clown? Go and have a lie down. Please put the drink down Roy. Here comes another class clown zzzzzzzzz very funny, haha, well done etc, yes i must be pissed, lolz. This forum seems to have been infiltrated by children recently or maybe I'm just getting older and less patient with all this top bantz. If I'd had a drink I'd have been way more relaxed about some halfwit completely misconstruing my post, but you really don't need to comment. The board is for sharing opinions not juvenile digs. Any thoughts on the "Saudi Exodus"? |
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Post by King Neil on Aug 4, 2023 9:46:54 GMT 1
What the fcuk are you on about you clown? Go and have a lie down. Please put the drink down Roy. You asked me what the fcuk I'm on about Roy!! Answering some people's comments about the Arabs not interested in football I mentioned bein sports Qatar based bein sports has been going for years now and show every single Premier league game live throughout the Arab world and show live championship football aswell...they show more football than sky sports do live and have keys and gray doing the same stuff as they did when they were at sky sports... Yet they have no Interest in football?? Now if you want to have a civilised debate on this subject then feel free to reply |
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Post by hoggy1975 on Aug 4, 2023 9:49:56 GMT 1
Please put the drink down Roy. Here comes another class clown zzzzzzzzz very funny, haha, well done etc, yes i must be pissed, lolz. This forum seems to have been infiltrated by children recently or maybe I'm just getting older and less patient with all this top bantz. If I'd had a drink I'd have been way more relaxed about some halfwit completely misconstruing my post, but you really don't need to comment. The board is for sharing opinions not juvenile digs. Any thoughts on the "Saudi Exodus"? Your whole post is full of irony. So Donny Terrier responds to you and you start calling him a clown/halfwit because you disagree with his comment? It’s you who should have a lie down. I post opinions when I want to and I call out clowns like yourself when I want to. End of. In terms of the Saudi exodus, I think it will be different to what happened in Russia and China where they offered obscene amounts of money and then quickly pulled funding when the losses were too large/change in government policy. I think the Saudi league could potentially end up becoming a sort of ‘super league’, especially when we see the likes of Benzema and Mahrez over there. Players will always follow the money. I won’t get into politics so only commenting on football side of things |
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Post by King Neil on Aug 4, 2023 10:09:05 GMT 1
And just to put a bit more meat on the bones
Early 2000,s before high speed broadband and football streaming..the only way to watch live premiere league football was through satellite TV
Being a fully trained satellite TV engineer I had a 2.5 meter satellite dish in my back garden trained on 7 degrees west to get football from a chanel called Show sport's who had every footy game live....and yes it was from Saudi Arabia
But they aren't interested in football lol
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Post by King Neil on Aug 4, 2023 10:15:45 GMT 1
50 million subscribers Roy!!
Sky have 12 million
But they don't like football 🤣
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Post by King Neil on Aug 4, 2023 10:20:31 GMT 1
Taxi for royrace
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of players that have gone over are Muslim - Benzena, Kante, Kouibaly, Marhez etc. They will accept the way of life over there. See how much Jordan Henderson enjoys it.
