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Post by foxtrot666 on Aug 3, 2023 9:06:51 GMT 1
Should European leagues be worried ? I think so, so far it's mainly players who are nearing the end of their careers but that can easily change once younger players realise just how much money they can earn out there. Will the premier league still be regarded as the best in the world in 5 - 10 years ? If the Saudi's keep throwing money at the game like they are I'm not so sure.
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Post by ringdisco on Aug 3, 2023 9:23:13 GMT 1
Basically what the PL have been doing to minor leagues for a while, then. Just times a million.
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Post by King Neil on Aug 3, 2023 9:24:17 GMT 1
I think it's nice that the Premier league fatcats are worried...they have had it all their own way for too long
Imo better players joining the Saudi league instead of the Premier league is going to lower the quality in the Premier league thus levelling the playing field a bit for the championship teams...why should they have it all their own way all of the time??
The Premier league has got far too big for its boots and behaves like a drug cartel thinking it can buy anyone/anything with cash
Nice to see them starting to squirm
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Post by turbo2 on Aug 3, 2023 9:25:12 GMT 1
you reap what you sow
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 3, 2023 9:30:39 GMT 1
As much as I’m cynical of the motives of modern football & the players, I think younger players moving there would do so only for financial gain.
It looks to me as though these leagues are more retirement homes and for the kudos of the clubs and their owners.
I can’t imagine younger players in the PL who are still in the reckoning for international caps and big trophies would want to move at this stage in their careers.
They’ll just be hoping the gravy train is still on the tracks in a few yrs time.
If the Saudi league and others like it, begin to dominate the sport in my lifetime, then football will be on its way out for many.
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Post by RickDangerous on Aug 3, 2023 9:35:32 GMT 1
I dont think the prem has anything to be worried about long term. It'll be an interesting 12 months but that will be it, we've seen this fail on a smaller scale already.
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Aug 3, 2023 9:38:03 GMT 1
It would be interesting to see TV viewing figures and which countries and companies have bought TV rights to the Saudi superstar league (or whatever they're wanting to call it) before coming out with a confident prediction. I could only see an interest for major TV networks to invest major sums when buying the rights for such a plastic league only coming from the Middle Eastern states, whilst accepting there may be initial attempts from some TV companies to test interest in this regard *. On a world-wide basis, it's difficult to see their league catching on. The Chinese, Indians, South and North Americans etc love the tradition that goes with the big European leagues (the big gates, the rivalry, the chanting and songs, the history etc.) And certainly, the Saudis would need that world-wide interest to spark any real rivalry to the Premier League (and the German, Spanish, Italian leagues, too, for that matter). And I don't think that will happen. So, the answer is a big NO from me. The Premier League will still be way more attractive in 5-10 years time (to the global audiences at least). * deadline.com/2023/07/saudi-pro-league-kylian-mbappe-cristiano-ronaldo-sports-networks-broadcast-rights-1235446326/ |
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Post by Uddersfield on Aug 3, 2023 9:41:56 GMT 1
They'll be allowing Saudi teams into the Champions League soon no doubt.
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Post by Galpharmer on Aug 3, 2023 9:58:46 GMT 1
Basically what the PL have been doing to minor leagues for a while, then. Just times a million. Exactly. My social media is full of Liverpool fans moaning about Henderson, going for the money, without any sort of recognition that that’s exactly what they’ve been doing for years. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 3, 2023 10:13:27 GMT 1
They'll be allowing Saudi teams into the Champions League soon no doubt. They would have to move it to Europe first or just change the rules?? The amount of air travel that would be required for a world champions league and the time involved are both no, nos for now. You might see the reduction in International tournaments first? The odd nations cup will go first. |
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Post by King Neil on Aug 3, 2023 10:16:04 GMT 1
I dont think the prem has anything to be worried about long term. It'll be an interesting 12 months but that will be it, we've seen this fail on a smaller scale already. This won't fail m8 It's being funded by the Saudi sovereign wealth fund which is worth thousands of billions...they are not even spending the interest accrued on such wealth yet!! They are not interested in tv money,,its peanuts to what they have |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Aug 3, 2023 10:18:42 GMT 1
Should European leagues be worried ? I think so, so far it's mainly players who are nearing the end of their careers but that can easily change once younger players realise just how much money they can earn out there. Will the premier league still be regarded as the best in the world in 5 - 10 years ? If the Saudi's keep throwing money at the game like they are I'm not so sure. I agree with you here, I think the Chinese Super League failed because they targeted older players, or could only sign, guys nearing their career end. So far, the Saudis have mainly bought established, older superstars but there is currently a report that an un-named Saudi club has put a 100M bid in for Brighton's Moises Caicedo & he's only 21, which would start a new trend off. The Saudis are not naturally football fans but I'm sure they can be persuaded to attend matches & fill their stadiums.  |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Aug 3, 2023 10:19:41 GMT 1
Can’t imagine people would be too arsed about watching it globally, on the way people weren’t about the Chinese league.
With the almost unlimited piles of money at Saudi Arabia’s disposal I’m not sure they need the viewing figures in the same way though, it’s just about prestige.
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Post by royrace on Aug 3, 2023 10:22:00 GMT 1
Let them leave, I cant see it damaging the English leagues and you cant just manufacture a footballing culture no matter how much cash you chuck at it. What does damage is the obscene money getting spent in the PL. Hopefully if the Saudi league takes off they'll spend their money there instead.
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Post by King Neil on Aug 3, 2023 10:26:03 GMT 1
Let them leave, I cant see it damaging the English leagues and you cant just manufacture a footballing culture no matter how much cash you chuck at it. What does damage is the obscene money getting spent in the PL. Hopefully if the Saudi league takes off they'll spend their money there instead. So being sports is English is it?? A middle Eastern broadcasting company spending millions of pounds on TV rights for Arab sports fans!! Think again m8...the Arabs love football |
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Post by King Neil on Aug 3, 2023 10:30:54 GMT 1
I would add that Town have had tv money off Arab states while in the Premier league so if we start going down the morale route then we are opening a large can of worms...Saudi money everywhere,,chances are your car Insurance company has Saudi money in it
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Post by RickDangerous on Aug 3, 2023 10:35:51 GMT 1
I dont think the prem has anything to be worried about long term. It'll be an interesting 12 months but that will be it, we've seen this fail on a smaller scale already. This won't fail m8 It's being funded by the Saudi sovereign wealth fund which is worth thousands of billions...they are not even spending the interest accrued on such wealth yet!! They are not interested in tv money,,its peanuts to what they have It's not about the wealth. The culture will be the reason it fails. Alot of the first  of players that have gone over are Muslim - Benzena, Kante, Kouibaly, Marhez etc. They will accept the way of life over there. See how much Jordan Henderson enjoys it. Wait until one of these boys says something about the regime and they chop him up. |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 3, 2023 10:38:29 GMT 1
They'll be allowing Saudi teams into the Champions League soon no doubt. They would have to move it to Europe first or just change the rules?? The amount of air travel that would be required for a world champions league and the time involved are both no, nos for now. You might see the reduction in International tournaments first? The odd nations cup will go first. They'll change the rules, they let Israel and Israeli clubs play in Europe, Australia gets a go in Eurovision. |
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Post by harrychrishner on Aug 3, 2023 10:40:17 GMT 1
From a young players point of view it would not only be about the money involved. I can understand the older players wanting to cash-in before their playing days are over but for a youngster there is so much more to consider about life in general. It's much more attractive to play in a European city like London, Paris, Munich, Barcelona, Madrid etc than to be isolated in some backwater of Arabia. The lifestyle and what they can do in their time off the field is fantastic compared to a nation where you have to hide from the heat all the time. It will be interesting to see if the novelty quickly wears off for the players already out there when boredom and possible health issues kick in.
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Post by King Neil on Aug 3, 2023 10:50:23 GMT 1
This won't fail m8 It's being funded by the Saudi sovereign wealth fund which is worth thousands of billions...they are not even spending the interest accrued on such wealth yet!! They are not interested in tv money,,its peanuts to what they have It's not about the wealth. The culture will be the reason it fails. Alot of the first of players that have gone over are Muslim - Benzena, Kante, Kouibaly, Marhez etc. They will accept the way of life over there. See how much Jordan Henderson enjoys it. Wait until one of these boys says something about the regime and they chop him up. I think you have been brainwashed by the media! I have been in Saudi and Qatar and bahrain and I can tell you the people are very pleasant and its very different to what you see on TV and in the papers #gaslight Bein sports pay millions for Premier league football and other football leagues to show across the Arab world and have been successful for many years now! To say there is no interest for football in the Arab nations is SO untrue...they love it |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 3, 2023 10:54:09 GMT 1
I dont think the prem has anything to be worried about long term. It'll be an interesting 12 months but that will be it, we've seen this fail on a smaller scale already. This won't fail m8 It's being funded by the Saudi sovereign wealth fund which is worth thousands of billions...they are not even spending the interest accrued on such wealth yet!! They are not interested in tv money,,its peanuts to what they have Agree that its not about Tv money, or making money in any way. Its about exposure and promoting the country. Same with their efforts to buy other sports like golf. Same with Qatar buying their World Cup. It reminds me a bit of the attempt in the US to become a 'soccer' nation back in the 1970s ( though that WAS about money ) Lots of star names being lured over there from Europe and South America.. Pele, Best , Beckanbaur, Muller..., lots of not particularly star names too wanting a big pay day too.. Tuart, Ellam, Brazil... Fancy names like NY Cosmos and Tampa bay Rowdees and all the razzmatazz they like to do ...but it fell flat on its arse eventually. People had little interest because it was all so fake and plastic,,and I think ultimately the Saudi league has the same problem no matter how much they chuck at it. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 3, 2023 11:00:06 GMT 1
They would have to move it to Europe first or just change the rules?? The amount of air travel that would be required for a world champions league and the time involved are both no, nos for now. You might see the reduction in International tournaments first? The odd nations cup will go first. They'll change the rules, they let Israel and Israeli clubs play in Europe, Australia gets a go in Eurovision. Probably, but shortly travel will become a big issue, so we might see less clubs involved so air miles are less? |
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Post by RickDangerous on Aug 3, 2023 11:05:02 GMT 1
It's not about the wealth. The culture will be the reason it fails. Alot of the first of players that have gone over are Muslim - Benzena, Kante, Kouibaly, Marhez etc. They will accept the way of life over there. See how much Jordan Henderson enjoys it. Wait until one of these boys says something about the regime and they chop him up. I think you have been brainwashed by the media! I have been in Saudi and Qatar and bahrain and I can tell you the people are very pleasant and its very different to what you see on TV and in the papers #gaslight Bein sports pay millions for Premier league football and other football leagues to show across the Arab world and have been successful for many years now! To say there is no interest for football in the Arab nations is SO untrue...they love it Maybe, and to be fair I have never been so can't comment personally. I did watch a documentary on Jamal Khashoggi which didn't paint the powers that be in a good light. |
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Post by mosher on Aug 3, 2023 11:14:35 GMT 1
Should European leagues be worried ? I think so, so far it's mainly players who are nearing the end of their careers but that can easily change once younger players realise just how much money they can earn out there. Will the premier league still be regarded as the best in the world in 5 - 10 years ? If the Saudi's keep throwing money at the game like they are I'm not so sure. I agree with you here, I think the Chinese Super League failed because they targeted older players, or could only sign, guys nearing their career end. So far, the Saudis have mainly bought established, older superstars but there is currently a report that an un-named Saudi club has put a 100M bid in for Brighton's Moises Caicedo & he's only 21, which would start a new trend off. The Saudis are not naturally football fans but I'm sure they can be persuaded to attend matches & fill their stadiums. Post-match and half-time entertainment could be BLOODY different. Dizzy beheadings?  |
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Post by King Neil on Aug 3, 2023 11:34:38 GMT 1
I think you have been brainwashed by the media! I have been in Saudi and Qatar and bahrain and I can tell you the people are very pleasant and its very different to what you see on TV and in the papers #gaslight Bein sports pay millions for Premier league football and other football leagues to show across the Arab world and have been successful for many years now! To say there is no interest for football in the Arab nations is SO untrue...they love it Maybe, and to be fair I have never been so can't comment personally. I did watch a documentary on Jamal Khashoggi which didn't paint the powers that be in a good light. Yeah that was horrendous and very wrong I think the media in the uk paint you a picture that makes you dislike/fear the country I was thinking when I got off the plane they would accuse me of wrong doing and want to throw me in jail lol...completely different I can tell you Criminals great treated the same way as we used to deal with them just 50 year's ago and when England won the world Cup in 66 you would have been thrown in jail for being homosexual and look what we did the Alan turing!...a true British hero/Legend Change takes time And people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 3, 2023 11:57:03 GMT 1
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Post by joek on Aug 3, 2023 11:58:44 GMT 1
Maybe, and to be fair I have never been so can't comment personally. I did watch a documentary on Jamal Khashoggi which didn't paint the powers that be in a good light. Yeah that was horrendous and very wrong I think the media in the uk paint you a picture that makes you dislike/fear the country I was thinking when I got off the plane they would accuse me of wrong doing and want to throw me in jail lol...completely different I can tell you Criminals great treated the same way as we used to deal with them just 50 year's ago and when England won the world Cup in 66 you would have been thrown in jail for being homosexual and look what we did the Alan turing!...a true British hero/Legend Change takes time And people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones You’re a criminal in these countries if you’re gay aren’t you? Edit: read that you mentioned that above, apologies. Not sure that it’s directly comparable though. |
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Post by allthefives on Aug 3, 2023 12:02:23 GMT 1
Should European leagues be worried ? I think so, so far it's mainly players who are nearing the end of their careers but that can easily change once younger players realise just how much money they can earn out there. Will the premier league still be regarded as the best in the world in 5 - 10 years ? If the Saudi's keep throwing money at the game like they are I'm not so sure. I agree with you here, I think the Chinese Super League failed because they targeted older players, or could only sign, guys nearing their career end. So far, the Saudis have mainly bought established, older superstars but there is currently a report that an un-named Saudi club has put a 100M bid in for Brighton's Moises Caicedo & he's only 21, which would start a new trend off. The Saudis are not naturally football fans but I'm sure they can be persuaded to attend matches & fill their stadiums. Loose a hand or gain a season ticket to pensioners football, the new theft punishment option. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 3, 2023 12:12:27 GMT 1
Politics board by 2PM I would think???? ;-)
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Post by turbo2 on Aug 3, 2023 12:34:54 GMT 1
This won't fail m8 It's being funded by the Saudi sovereign wealth fund which is worth thousands of billions...they are not even spending the interest accrued on such wealth yet!! They are not interested in tv money,,its peanuts to what they have It's not about the wealth. The culture will be the reason it fails. Alot of the first of players that have gone over are Muslim - Benzena, Kante, Kouibaly, Marhez etc. They will accept the way of life over there. See how much Jordan Henderson enjoys it. Wait until one of these boys says something about the regime and they chop him up.I was thinking this the other day. many of the pampered Pl players think they are above the law. Wait til one does that out in Saudi...... |
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of players that have gone over are Muslim - Benzena, Kante, Kouibaly, Marhez etc. They will accept the way of life over there. See how much Jordan Henderson enjoys it.
