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Post by crux on Aug 13, 2023 22:38:08 GMT 1
Truthfully. In part yes. But don’t be fooled. Warnock is all but warnock and nobody else. Do you really think he read the posts on here and read mine out like he had found it ? Did he Bollox somebody did it for him. He can’t stand criticism. Fact is. 3 games. 3 defeats. Another awful start to a season. Dunc, I think you mean well. But I am not sure social media or fans forums are for you. You are all over the shop, contradictions, happy one post, not the next. If you consider yesterdays match as awful (which is in essence what you are saying here). I am not sure this is the right sport or football club for you. You might want to consider something else. At least Duncan is in the right job, he's a right drama queen! |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 13, 2023 23:07:55 GMT 1
Joking or not joking, you make yourself look like an absolute fanny. Youve already had your arse handed to you, yet you persist. Fair play for the persistence but come on, you really do portray yourself as a real idiot. You think that Mr. ego was right to do that ? Do you think the reason we haven’t signed anybody, when we clearly need to isn down to him. As I said. He will be gone by Xmas. Isn it you that has the ego? Empty vessels and all that |
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Post by melbourneterrier on Aug 14, 2023 5:52:18 GMT 1
More than just resuts.
look at who we played, and why we lost.
1st game Plymouth - Always a tough ask to face the champions from the below league. They are riding a high. We did alright barring a 15 minute period
2nd game - Boro - We played a second string team in a throwaway cup.
3rd game - Leicester - We were the underdogs and performed well. A draw would have reflected the game better, certainly nothing to get upset over.
Stop begging for attention.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 14, 2023 7:27:12 GMT 1
More than just resuts. look at who we played, and why we lost. 1st game Plymouth - Always a tough ask to face the champions from the below league. They are riding a high. We did alright barring a 15 minute period 2nd game - Boro - We played a second string team in a throwaway cup. 3rd game - Leicester - We were the underdogs and performed well. A draw would have reflected the game better, certainly nothing to get upset over. Stop begging for attention. Conversely, the results are not good. I'm not too concerned at the minute because I trust Warnock, the players are giving 100% to the cause and they are actively trying to get players in, or so it seems. If the window closes without no new additions, we're fooked basically and we're relying solely on Neil Warnock polishing another turd. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 14, 2023 8:26:31 GMT 1
A turd? Really?
Didnt look like a turd on Saturday. Looked like a pretty good team to me who matched probably the best side in the division.
Didnt look like a turd in the final third of last season when it was one of the top performers in the championship.
Im sure we'll get 2 or 3 in the bolster the numbers but this idea we're 'fooked' if we dont is defeatist nonsense. ( he already has more players he considers usable than he did last season)
Warnocks not waving any magic wand( or polishing any turd) , hes just managing the side properly and the team, which is actually pretty decent, are responding to that.
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Post by irverino on Aug 14, 2023 8:43:02 GMT 1
Leicester fans on Foxes talk are more than happy with their scrappy, win ugly, grind out, gritty performance against awkward opponents who were 'in your face' for over an hour before running out of steam......Sums it up for me what they are saying, did we lack stiffer opponents pre season?..Possibly.
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Post by durhamterrier on Aug 14, 2023 8:52:07 GMT 1
Leicester fans on Foxes talk are more than happy with their scrappy, win ugly, grind out, gritty performance against awkward opponents who were 'in your face' for over an hour before running out of steam......Sums it up for me what they are saying, did we lack stiffer opponents pre season?..Possibly. I wouldn’t even say we ran out of steam really. The huge difference was quality off the bench on Saturday . Our bench had 6 b team players … theirs had several senior internationals and proven PL standard players . Given three more options off that bench at a similar level to our starting line up we’d have been able to keep that tempo all game |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 14, 2023 8:52:14 GMT 1
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Aug 14, 2023 9:10:10 GMT 1
Leicester fans on Foxes talk are more than happy with their scrappy, win ugly, grind out, gritty performance against awkward opponents who were 'in your face' for over an hour before running out of steam......Sums it up for me what they are saying, did we lack stiffer opponents pre season?..Possibly. I’m sure if Leicester had defended from the front like we did it would’ve been “a brilliant and bold high press nullifying their deep pivot that created an xg of 1.3 etc etc.” Leicester fans are wankers, and also opposition fans of footballing teams will never give a Warnock team credit. I wouldn’t say we ran out of steam, just that we were playing close to the maximum of the team’s potential and pressing like that against a team with quality players in is always going to be walking a bit of a tight rope. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Aug 14, 2023 9:10:20 GMT 1
Leicester fans on Foxes talk are more than happy with their scrappy, win ugly, grind out, gritty performance against awkward opponents who were 'in your face' for over an hour before running out of steam......Sums it up for me what they are saying, did we lack stiffer opponents pre season?..Possibly. I wouldn’t even say we ran out of steam really. The huge difference was quality off the bench on Saturday . Our bench had 6 b team players … theirs had several senior internationals and proven PL standard players . Given three more options off that bench at a similar level to our starting line up we’d have been able to keep that tempo all game I think we did run out of steam, that's why gaps started appearing at the 60 min mark & why we should have made subs then. We only brought 2 subs on all game, which suggests Neil doesn't trust too many of the squad. I'm sure we will make 2 or 3 signings before the window shuts &, providing they all improve the 1st 11 &, not just the squad, we may be all right - if they are just to boost the squad, I genuinely think we'll really struggle. I couldn't be happier with the effort & commitment shown on Saturday & we were far better to watch than we were in the last 1/3 of last season but the same old issues exist, we don't create enough chances in open play & the chances we do create seem to fall to defenders, which indicates set plays are what we rely on. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 14, 2023 9:19:31 GMT 1
Leicester fans on Foxes talk are more than happy with their scrappy, win ugly, grind out, gritty performance against awkward opponents who were 'in your face' for over an hour before running out of steam......Sums it up for me what they are saying, did we lack stiffer opponents pre season?..Possibly. I’m sure if Leicester had defended from the front like we did it would’ve been “a brilliant and bold high press nullifying their deep pivot that created an xg of 1.3 etc etc.” Leicester fans are wankers, and also opposition fans of footballing teams will never give a Warnock team credit. I wouldn’t say we ran out of steam, just that we were playing close to the maximum of the team’s potential and pressing like that against a team with quality players in is always going to be walking a bit of a tight rope. It was a tight rope for both teams I thought. For most of the game they were playing it out in a really high risk strategy..if it works they could feed a ball through our back 4 and be through on goal...if we closed id down we'd be 3 against 3 in on their goal. And both things happened about 4 times without somehow leading to a goal. Enjoyed seeing Harry Winks getting all angry and frustrated at Diarra who kept pouncing on him and not giving him any time on the ball. It was actually a really good game of football I thought between two evenly matched sides playing different tactical games. I thought we ran out of steam a bit too and Warnock was slow to bring on fresh legs. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2023 9:23:20 GMT 1
Leicester cut through us several times in the first half,wasn't as if they needed us to run out of steam.We were still worth a point id say.
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Post by durhamterrier on Aug 14, 2023 9:43:22 GMT 1
I wouldn’t even say we ran out of steam really. The huge difference was quality off the bench on Saturday . Our bench had 6 b team players … theirs had several senior internationals and proven PL standard players . Given three more options off that bench at a similar level to our starting line up we’d have been able to keep that tempo all game I think we did run out of steam, that's why gaps started appearing at the 60 min mark & why we should have made subs then. We only brought 2 subs on all game, which suggests Neil doesn't trust too many of the squad. I'm sure we will make 2 or 3 signings before the window shuts &, providing they all improve the 1st 11 &, not just the squad, we may be all right - if they are just to boost the squad, I genuinely think we'll really struggle. I couldn't be happier with the effort & commitment shown on Saturday & we were far better to watch than we were in the last 1/3 of last season but the same old issues exist, we don't create enough chances in open play & the chances we do create seem to fall to defenders, which indicates set plays are what we rely on. Agree , we did open up but the game in general did until we scored . I thought - on the whole - it was a cracking game with both teams going for it . If we see that all season I’l be happy . Do need to convert more chances though ! |
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Post by irverino on Aug 14, 2023 9:52:02 GMT 1
The highlights on itv missed out the Diarra run when he went down & the header straight to the keeper from the free kick.....both after they scored (plus other chances), maybe youtube highlights will show them?
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 14, 2023 10:45:53 GMT 1
If I told you after we'd secured survival last season that:
* We'd start the next season having only signed one outfield player
* That player would be on loan
* He'd be on loan from a club at our level, and their fans overwhelmingly said he was terrible
* We'd lose our first 3 games
* 2 of those games would be at home
I think most people would have said I was being unduly pessimistic.
We still have some absolutely glaring weaknesses in our squad. We've weakened the squad Vs last season. Cracks that could be papered over last season (and then only just). The division this season is stronger than last season, and although Massive Wednesday seem to be a bit chaotic, I don't think there are any absolute basket cases this season as there were last.
On the other hand:
* This window is still open.
* There's still January window.
* We have a young squad who will have gained a lot of experience from last year.
* Colin.
You can look at the opening to the season pessimistically . We've lost every game, and we would have to beat Boro by 3 clear goals on Saturday to equal the start we made last season under Danny Schofield.
Or you can add caveats to each of those losses that can give rise to optimism (or at least mitigate the pessimism!).
Worth noting too, that the situation with FFP (and whatever other EFL regulations we're subject to!) is poorly understood by most fans (myself included!), and that uncertainty creates worry.
I'm not pressing the panic button just yet, but depending upon how the rest of this month goes - with results, performances and transfers (in or out!) - I may well be pressing it in September.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 14, 2023 10:50:03 GMT 1
A turd? Really? Didnt look like a turd on Saturday. Looked like a pretty good team to me who matched probably the best side in the division. Didnt look like a turd in the final third of last season when it was one of the top performers in the championship. Im sure we'll get 2 or 3 in the bolster the numbers but this idea we're 'fooked' if we dont is defeatist nonsense. ( he already has more players he considers usable than he did last season) Warnocks not waving any magic wand( or polishing any turd) , hes just managing the side properly and the team, which is actually pretty decent, are responding to that. To all intents and purposes we are a turd, we've lost all 3 games so far, with the same squad that finished last season!! Yeah we played well on Saturday but we still lost, everyone is giving it 100% no one can deny that but currently that's not enough alone. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 14, 2023 11:14:14 GMT 1
A turd? Really? Didnt look like a turd on Saturday. Looked like a pretty good team to me who matched probably the best side in the division. Didnt look like a turd in the final third of last season when it was one of the top performers in the championship. Im sure we'll get 2 or 3 in the bolster the numbers but this idea we're 'fooked' if we dont is defeatist nonsense. ( he already has more players he considers usable than he did last season) Warnocks not waving any magic wand( or polishing any turd) , hes just managing the side properly and the team, which is actually pretty decent, are responding to that. To all intents and purposes we are a turd, we've lost all 3 games so far, with the same squad that finished last season!! Yeah we played well on Saturday but we still lost, everyone is giving it 100% no one can deny that but currently that's not enough alone. One of those games was our second team! Are you really counting that in your eagerness to rubbish us? We just played really well against a very good team. We lost but could have won. Stop trying to be negative!  |
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Post by Mastercracker on Aug 14, 2023 12:34:05 GMT 1
To all intents and purposes we are a turd, we've lost all 3 games so far, with the same squad that finished last season!! Yeah we played well on Saturday but we still lost, everyone is giving it 100% no one can deny that but currently that's not enough alone. One of those games was our second team! Are you really counting that in your eagerness to rubbish us? We just played really well against a very good team. We lost but could have won. Stop trying to be negative! He could have spent the last 15 years following Brighton and he'd be moaning. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 14, 2023 12:45:43 GMT 1
One of those games was our second team! Are you really counting that in your eagerness to rubbish us? We just played really well against a very good team. We lost but could have won. Stop trying to be negative! He could have spent the last 15 years following Brighton and he'd be moaning. I wasn't moaning, just pointing out we're suddenly not a better side than last season with the same squad and early results are bearing this out. As much as I Trust Neil Warnock there seems to be a belief, across a certain section of Town fans, that just because we have Warnock that that alone is enough keep us up. |
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Post by willo on Aug 14, 2023 13:09:44 GMT 1
He could have spent the last 15 years following Brighton and he'd be moaning. I wasn't moaning, just pointing out we're suddenly not a better side than last season with the same squad and early results are bearing this out. As much as I Trust Neil Warnock there seems to be a belief, across a certain section of Town fans, that just because we have Warnock that that alone is enough keep us up. I went to the game Saturday expecting nothing other than a hiding and was very pleasantly surprised at our performance against a team that will be there or thereabouts come the end of the season. I left feeling play like that most weeks and we’ll be comfortably mid-table by close of play. We are obviously lacking in certain areas and need those 2-3 bodies in that will greatly improve our attacking options but some of the kids who played at the weekend will only get better with more time on the field. Diarra is going to be a real handful against some teams, Rudoni looked more composed on the ball, Harratt will get us goals if he plays - he loves putting himself about which is great to see. He’s a wily old fox is Warnock. He’ll know exactly where we’re lacking and will try get the players we need but only if they’re going to improve on what we already have. I did wonder if we’d chucked Hudlin on towards the end or given Harratt more time on the field whether we could have nicked an equaliser but I’m now much more optimistic about getting something up at the Riverside and against Norwich in a fortnight. I appreciate it’s 3 games in and no win yet but we’ve been pretty close in all games. Keep the faith. |
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Post by goodbet on Aug 14, 2023 13:11:15 GMT 1
He could have spent the last 15 years following Brighton and he'd be moaning. I wasn't moaning, just pointing out we're suddenly not a better side than last season with the same squad and early results are bearing this out. As much as I Trust Neil Warnock there seems to be a belief, across a certain section of Town fans, that just because we have Warnock that that alone is enough keep us up. How could we be a better side than last year we have sold, released I can't remember how many (possibly 18). We brought in a backup keeper because we sold ours and a loan to cover a injured fullback. The midfield is so weak even if we kept our pocket sized American we would have been stronger, that is quite some statement as I never rated him. Workmen need decent tools, and we have not been kind to him as yet. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 14, 2023 13:12:20 GMT 1
Dont think anyone who's left was going to be used by Warnock. Possible exemption being Hungbo. He now also has Sorba, Yuta, Hudlin, Maxwell, Edwards that he'll consider usable plus the various young players will have continued developing too.. as we saw with Diarra at the weekend. Harratt will play a significant role this season IMO, Jones is fit again...etc etc Its actually not the same squad of what Warnock considers usable players and 'keeping us up' isnt even going to be a consideration if Warnock can continue to get the results he did with the group last season. And we'll still sign 2 or 3 yet. Stop fretting. |
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Post by goodbet on Aug 14, 2023 13:23:08 GMT 1
Dont think anyone who's left was going to be used by Warnock. Possible exemption being Hungbo. He now also has Sorba, Yuta, Hudlin, Maxwell, Edwards that he'll consider usable plus the various young players will have continued developing too.. as we saw with Diarra at the weekend. Harratt will play a significant role this season IMO, Jones is fit again...etc etc Its actually not the same squad of what Warnock considers usable players and 'keeping us up' isnt even going to be a consideration if Warnock can continue to get the results he did with the group last season. And we'll still sign 2 or 3 yet. Stop fretting. You may be right that Warnock would not have used them ideally. We only used two subs on Saturday that hinted we have players on the bench that he won't use unless he has to, we will see. Hopefully some players are developing but some have gone the other way as well. Maybe the two or three we hope are comming in will actually strengthen the first eleven and finally remove those weak areas of the team. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Aug 14, 2023 13:41:57 GMT 1
I wasn't moaning, just pointing out we're suddenly not a better side than last season with the same squad and early results are bearing this out. As much as I Trust Neil Warnock there seems to be a belief, across a certain section of Town fans, that just because we have Warnock that that alone is enough keep us up. I went to the game Saturday expecting nothing other than a hiding and was very pleasantly surprised at our performance against a team that will be there or thereabouts come the end of the season. I left feeling play like that most weeks and we’ll be comfortably mid-table by close of play. We are obviously lacking in certain areas and need those 2-3 bodies in that will greatly improve our attacking options but some of the kids who played at the weekend will only get better with more time on the field. Diarra is going to be a real handful against some teams, Rudoni looked more composed on the ball, Harratt will get us goals if he plays - he loves putting himself about which is great to see. He’s a wily old fox is Warnock. He’ll know exactly where we’re lacking and will try get the players we need but only if they’re going to improve on what we already have. I did wonder if we’d chucked Hudlin on towards the end or given Harratt more time on the field whether we could have nicked an equaliser but I’m now much more optimistic about getting something up at the Riverside and against Norwich in a fortnight. I appreciate it’s 3 games in and no win yet but we’ve been pretty close in all games. Keep the faith. Willo, the fixtures haven't been kind, Plymouth away opening day, they have great momentum, some new signings and a brilliant home record. That fixture later in the season may have been easier once they have learned how tough it is at this level and have had a good few defeats to dent their confidence. At the moment, they are probably thinking it is fairly straight forward the Championship!. Leicester first home match, never a good time for this fixture but we didn't want it now when we want some points on the board. Had the first two fixtures been for example Hull away and Preston at home, all hypothetical of course but we would I believe have some points on the board. |
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Post by htfcterry on Aug 14, 2023 13:49:54 GMT 1
I went to the game Saturday expecting nothing other than a hiding and was very pleasantly surprised at our performance against a team that will be there or thereabouts come the end of the season. I left feeling play like that most weeks and we’ll be comfortably mid-table by close of play. We are obviously lacking in certain areas and need those 2-3 bodies in that will greatly improve our attacking options but some of the kids who played at the weekend will only get better with more time on the field. Diarra is going to be a real handful against some teams, Rudoni looked more composed on the ball, Harratt will get us goals if he plays - he loves putting himself about which is great to see. He’s a wily old fox is Warnock. He’ll know exactly where we’re lacking and will try get the players we need but only if they’re going to improve on what we already have. I did wonder if we’d chucked Hudlin on towards the end or given Harratt more time on the field whether we could have nicked an equaliser but I’m now much more optimistic about getting something up at the Riverside and against Norwich in a fortnight. I appreciate it’s 3 games in and no win yet but we’ve been pretty close in all games. Keep the faith. Willo, the fixtures haven't been kind, Plymouth away opening day, they have great momentum, some new signings and a brilliant home record. That fixture later in the season may have been easier once they have learned how tough it is at this level and have had a good few defeats to dent their confidence. At the moment, they are probably thinking it is fairly straight forward the Championship!. Leicester first home match, never a good time for this fixture but we didn't want it now when we want some points on the board. Had the first two fixtures been for example Hull away and Preston at home, all hypothetical of course but we would I believe have some points on the board. This takes me back to August 2018 - "Season starts next week". Then we fail to beat a beatable team at home when the season supposedly starts again.. (think it might have been Warnock's Cardiff without checking) |
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 14, 2023 14:03:50 GMT 1
Willo, the fixtures haven't been kind, Plymouth away opening day, they have great momentum, some new signings and a brilliant home record. That fixture later in the season may have been easier once they have learned how tough it is at this level and have had a good few defeats to dent their confidence. At the moment, they are probably thinking it is fairly straight forward the Championship!. Leicester first home match, never a good time for this fixture but we didn't want it now when we want some points on the board. Had the first two fixtures been for example Hull away and Preston at home, all hypothetical of course but we would I believe have some points on the board. This takes me back to August 2018 - "Season starts next week". Then we fail to beat a beatable team at home when the season supposedly starts again.. (think it might have been Warnock's Cardiff without checking It was. "Season starts against Cardiff" said Wagner. You could have fooled me. |
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Post by bobrobterrier on Aug 14, 2023 14:11:02 GMT 1
I feared the worst before the game and even though we lost, I saw some promising signs. Leicester have some serious serious players
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Post by runner76 on Aug 14, 2023 14:25:39 GMT 1
I feared the worst before the game and even though we lost, I saw some promising signs. Leicester have some serious serious players Exactly.....would have not been surprised had we lost 3 or 4 nil.....was not expecting we would hurt them at the goal end but just a 1-0 defeat is not anything to cry about |
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Post by nicovaesen on Aug 14, 2023 14:38:27 GMT 1
This takes me back to August 2018 - "Season starts next week". Then we fail to beat a beatable team at home when the season supposedly starts again.. (think it might have been Warnock's Cardiff without checking It was. "Season starts against Cardiff" said Wagner. You could have fooled me. I met mr hoyle after that game as he was doing a book signing in the club shop. I said what do you think to todays result he said “we needed three points.” Remember thinking is the rot setting in at this early point. All that plus Hogg banned for three too. |
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Post by Terriersmad on Aug 14, 2023 15:20:33 GMT 1
The worthwhile comparison is with Burnley last season. 1-0 defeats to both, but the manner of the defeats completely different. One passive, where we barely lay a glove on the opponent until very late, no efforts of note, and lucky not to get taken to the cleaners. The other an aggressive, front-foot effort where we were unlucky to lose. We looked like a team on Saturday - one with shortcomings and weaknesses, but organised, with a clear plan, and more than a match for high-class opposition on the day.
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