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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2024 10:41:49 GMT 1
Whos paying 2m+ for an attacking midfielder who barely scores or assists?! Has talent but nowhere near as good as many seem to think. I would agree with that and I'm a big Rudoni fan, he reminds me a bit of Lee Novak, does a lot of running about but not much happens with him. I think if he had better players around him we would see how well he can play. Remember against QPR when he set Harratt up for a goal on 8 minutes and then scored after 14. He has rarely had players around him who will pass and move and get any flow going. Most of our dangerous attacks have been fast breaks and those usually involve getting the ball out to the wing quickly. I think there is a very good player in there who needs more quality and options around him. |
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Post by Dan on May 12, 2024 10:50:06 GMT 1
Regarding Rudoni, I said a few weeks ago that we may reach a bit of a stand off with him this summer. He's a 'promising young player' but he has not had the goals/assists that mean we're going to get offered what we probably feel he is worth.
Last Saturday's 'performance' from him had all the hallmarks of him trying to force his way out.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2024 11:00:01 GMT 1
Regarding Rudoni, I said a few weeks ago that we may reach a bit of a stand off with him this summer. He's a 'promising young player' but he has not had the goals/assists that mean we're going to get offered what we probably feel he is worth. Last Saturday's 'performance' from him had all the hallmarks of him trying to force his way out. Maybe now AB has gone, and we hopefully get a better replacement, that will change. Who knows, only time will tell on many things moving forward with Town. One thing we are all very sure of is the management team need to get all the summer business absolutely right. |
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Post by rubicon on May 12, 2024 12:09:25 GMT 1
Not having this Breitenreiter is a villain prose . For over two thirds of the season we saw : 1. Burgzorg be greedy and think he was a cut above . The only fond memory I have of him is the Blackburn home game . 2. Thomas only provide tangible contributions through set pieces . Other than that his notable input was bookings for dissent . 3. Koroma disappear again #simonbaldry 4. Rudoni run about a lot but when it came to shooting , I’ve tapped fannies harder .Breitenreiter probably called bullshit and outed them . He probably also did other things to fuck the group off so they go to social media to tell “their side”. The lot of them can fuck off . I’d rather see lads here who give a toss This had me laugh out load How big a load? |
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Post by brighousebandbred on May 12, 2024 12:12:48 GMT 1
Don’t remember anyone berating Zanka and Lossl came back to town on loan so he was hardly upset. As for Billing , completely understandable any fan giving Billing shit after the game where he literally stopped trying. Let’s not pretend that was why the club as failed since, it’s complete lack of investment , if we had gone out and spent the billing money it might have been the best decision ever . This team as been very shit if the best paid players are shit then maybe the money could be spent better elsewhere and to top it off some of those better paid players are arseholes and don’t contribute to a good team ethic . As for all the goal contributions and assists we’d of been relegated by jan, what goals scored and assists they hardly contributed or scored all year. I heard a stat the other day might be wrong but someone said town have only had 4 or 5 seasons since the 1950s where the top goal scorer scored less than 10 . Well this was one of the years and DB played a huge part in that and ST doesn’t even know where the net is. If players down tools then fair dos. Have a go at them. But billing got grief long before that. As much as burgzorg is an annoying twat I don’t think he downed tools. He was just rubbish but rubbish playing out of position. As for those now having a go at rudoni, ffs he never stops trying and he was probably pissed off at having to play that last match once we were relegated. As a fan base we love to try and ruin players You start with players down tools then fair enough. But then quote Billing HE FUCKING DOWNED TOOLS , you can’t have it both ways. I agree a little with Rudoni ( but he’s so far off as it stands) . As for ruining players this lot are ruining their own careers , town fans have MORE than supported these lot this year, and I for one have travelled up and down the country relentlessly trying to encourage this lot, so let’s not put this shitshow on the town fans we deserve a rant. |
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Post by waggers on May 12, 2024 12:13:16 GMT 1
Bunch of overpaid lightweights using a scapegoat to explain their shite attitude.
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Post by H6dds on May 12, 2024 12:34:54 GMT 1
In regards to AB, I'm starting to doubt his intentions more for every hour that passes by.
In contrast to what he has been saying in his interviews I think the biggest problem whith this group of players is that they are bad at playing football. Warnock (love him or hate him) performed a miracle to keep them up last season.
It seems to me that these supposed bad eggs (not deniying they exist) are just two or three players, players that AB kept playing until we were down. He names half the team when he lists the "good" guys. It doesn't make sense to me at all that just a couple of players (who has also been our best players despite beeing dickheads) are responsible for this relegation.
It is starting to look more likely (for me) that AB is just saving his own skin by using a few obviously very selfish and not that likeable wingers as scapegoats here. He could have said "the players were too bad at playing football" but that is less likely to help him find another job and would have been a bit unfair on the players that tried their best for him. It also wouldn't have made him this popular amongst the fans all of a sudden. To keep it short I think he chose the simple way out.
Just to make it clear, I don't blame him for the relegation, but I also don't think he got the most out of this very limited squad. The problem has been the recruitment over a few seasons.
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Post by duncfost01 on May 12, 2024 13:00:00 GMT 1
Della is only saying that now after his agent probably told him he should.
Other clubs will probably avoid him
Now. Serves him right the wanker.
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Post by terryya on May 12, 2024 13:18:24 GMT 1
Della is only saying that now after his agent probably told him he should. Other clubs will probably avoid him Now. Serves him right the wanker. Rapists and murderers have no problem finding a club. I'm not sure that a player, whose only crime is being questioned by a dodgy manager, will have any issues. EDIT: On second thoughts, his football ability might prevent it though. |
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Post by Fish & Chips on May 12, 2024 13:24:06 GMT 1
A Leopard doesn,t change his spots.And none of these players will change their attitudes either,no matter whch team they play for.The job of Manager was made weaker when clubs began appointing so called DOF,s.So it was Cartwright,s job to manage players,not the 1st team coach. Many of these players had a different attitude and significantly improved performance under Warnock and Worthington, so no, your assessment is wrong. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 12, 2024 14:21:26 GMT 1
Maybe the biggest ego of all was AB
He lost the dressing room in days and took us backwards - we were fighting under JW and showed great fitness versus Leeds
Yet AB acts like he’s doing us a favour managing the club and taking our money!
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Post by brighousebandbred on May 12, 2024 14:44:27 GMT 1
Della is only saying that now after his agent probably told him he should. Other clubs will probably avoid him Now. Serves him right the wanker. Rapists and murderers have no problem finding a club. I'm not sure that a player, whose only crime is being questioned by a dodgy manager, will have any issues. EDIT: On second thoughts, his football ability might prevent it though. Footballing ability is obviously the key component, but most clubs now are looking for rounded good personalities, clubs know just like fans the importance of players who are team players and not disruptive personalities. It really isn’t rocket science so DB will have done himself no favours whatsoever at town and will have been told what to post recently by his agents. As will those that replied to his post. All successful teams get rid of bad eggs or simply never become successful. |
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Post by turbo2 on May 12, 2024 15:21:53 GMT 1
If players down tools then fair dos. Have a go at them. But billing got grief long before that. As much as burgzorg is an annoying twat I don’t think he downed tools. He was just rubbish but rubbish playing out of position. As for those now having a go at rudoni, ffs he never stops trying and he was probably pissed off at having to play that last match once we were relegated. As a fan base we love to try and ruin players You start with players down tools then fair enough. But then quote Billing HE FUCKING DOWNED TOOLS , you can’t have it both ways. I agree a little with Rudoni ( but he’s so far off as it stands) . As for ruining players this lot are ruining their own careers , town fans have MORE than supported these lot this year, and I for one have travelled up and down the country relentlessly trying to encourage this lot, so let’s not put this shitshow on the town fans we deserve a rant. Can’t you read? Billing got stick long before he downed tools. |
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Post by Tinpot on May 12, 2024 15:54:07 GMT 1
I looked at the Burgzorg post, and those who were supportive & at first I found myself - briefly - sympathising with the players. Then I recall their gutless performances and it just puts me in a mindset that says that even after kicking out the "bad eggs", AB was still forced to play a few of them vs Ipswich simply because there were still no other options.
I was disappointed that there wasn't a bit more heart shown at Portman Road. Yes, it was a dead rubber but these were the players AB had faith in and they largely tossed it off. That was an opportunity to show that they had a bit more professionalism about them than was being shown.
I had wondered if a young, exciting head coach was the way to go. After all, that's what seems to be successful in that division. Mousinho, Schumacher, McKenna et al. But I wonder whether a big character might be the better way. A no nonsense character that can alter the culture at the club. Someone to take a wrecking ball to the squad & make wholesale changes. The mindset needs changing.
I'd add here, that a bad attitude from the players may not be entirely their fault. There has been so much chaos & upheaval in the last couple of years that it's hardly surprising to see motivation fade. A new start for a lot of these players may have them doing very well somewhere else. Some might even buck their ideas up here if things look more stable.
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Post by uptownfunk on May 12, 2024 16:10:21 GMT 1
People are quick to jump on the backs of Burgzorg and Sorba as being the bad apples in the barrel, however take away there quantifiable contributions, as in goals scored and assists and we would have been relegated in January. This all reminds me of the last time we were relegated when Phil Billing, Lossl and Zanka were hounded by the fans for being the cause of our problems. Their careers went onto much greater heights than the club they were disrupting. Town fans seem quick to find a scape goat and their anger usually seems misplaced. Well said. It’s the self serving manager who’s added fuel to the flames of the anger. Sorba was about as effective as he could be under 3 managers only one of whom attacked much and who played him in different positions week in week out. When he was in his best wife role we almost never had a striker for him let alone 2. It will be interesting to see what the club thinks of the squad and what the market thinks. Are any clubs in for any of ours? Does he club loan out any unsold so called bad apples ? Or do they not have the same naughty list as Andre? If not then they’ll be here next season under a new manager - with a clean slate. I don’t think this squad can do much worse than what I saw at Ipswich or Preston. Personally, I think someone can come in and do very well with this squad - at league one level. If we were to be promoted then we’d need at least 4 championship players. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on May 12, 2024 16:10:32 GMT 1
You start with players down tools then fair enough. But then quote Billing HE FUCKING DOWNED TOOLS , you can’t have it both ways. I agree a little with Rudoni ( but he’s so far off as it stands) . As for ruining players this lot are ruining their own careers , town fans have MORE than supported these lot this year, and I for one have travelled up and down the country relentlessly trying to encourage this lot, so let’s not put this shitshow on the town fans we deserve a rant. Can’t you read? Billing got stick long before he downed tools. Yes I can read but , he downed tools , is it acceptable if he got stick or not before NO !!!! irrelevant HE DOWNED TOOLS. And the rest your having a dig at fans rightly letting off steam who’ve backed this team home and away given encouragement galore yet you dig them out . This clubs fans deserve the respect not the players this year , yet oh no your digging the fans out. Says it all. |
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Post by utttrooper on May 12, 2024 16:30:15 GMT 1
I looked at the Burgzorg post, and those who were supportive & at first I found myself - briefly - sympathising with the players. Then I recall their gutless performances and it just puts me in a mindset that says that even after kicking out the "bad eggs", AB was still forced to play a few of them vs Ipswich simply because there were still no other options. I was disappointed that there wasn't a bit more heart shown at Portman Road. Yes, it was a dead rubber but these were the players AB had faith in and they largely tossed it off. That was an opportunity to show that they had a bit more professionalism about them than was being shown. I had wondered if a young, exciting head coach was the way to go. After all, that's what seems to be successful in that division. Mousinho, Schumacher, McKenna et al. But I wonder whether a big character might be the better way. A no nonsense character that can alter the culture at the club. Someone to take a wrecking ball to the squad & make wholesale changes. The mindset needs changing. I'd add here, that a bad attitude from the players may not be entirely their fault. There has been so much chaos & upheaval in the last couple of years that it's hardly surprising to see motivation fade. A new start for a lot of these players may have them doing very well somewhere else. Some might even buck their ideas up here if things look more stable. I'd agree that it's not entirely their fault that they feel like they want to cause disruption because of all that has gone on around them but I'd expect the ones being twats to be able to manage themselves better because they are adults being paid multiple thousands of pounds a week to play football and it really isn't going to help themselves at all. The players like Pearson or Lees have gone through plenty of turmoil during their time at the club but don't seem to have a bad attitude at all and this means that there is no excuses for others to completely throw their toys out of their pram as they have been doing. |
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Post by Tinpot on May 12, 2024 16:33:47 GMT 1
I looked at the Burgzorg post, and those who were supportive & at first I found myself - briefly - sympathising with the players. Then I recall their gutless performances and it just puts me in a mindset that says that even after kicking out the "bad eggs", AB was still forced to play a few of them vs Ipswich simply because there were still no other options. I was disappointed that there wasn't a bit more heart shown at Portman Road. Yes, it was a dead rubber but these were the players AB had faith in and they largely tossed it off. That was an opportunity to show that they had a bit more professionalism about them than was being shown. I had wondered if a young, exciting head coach was the way to go. After all, that's what seems to be successful in that division. Mousinho, Schumacher, McKenna et al. But I wonder whether a big character might be the better way. A no nonsense character that can alter the culture at the club. Someone to take a wrecking ball to the squad & make wholesale changes. The mindset needs changing. I'd add here, that a bad attitude from the players may not be entirely their fault. There has been so much chaos & upheaval in the last couple of years that it's hardly surprising to see motivation fade. A new start for a lot of these players may have them doing very well somewhere else. Some might even buck their ideas up here if things look more stable. I'd agree that it's not entirely their fault that they feel like they want to cause disruption because of all that has gone on around them but I'd expect the ones being twats to be able to manage themselves better because they are adults being paid multiple thousands of pounds a week to play football and it really isn't going to help themselves at all. The players like Pearson or Lees have gone through plenty of turmoil during their time at the club but don't seem to have a bad attitude at all and this means that there is no excuses for others to completely throw their toys out of their pram as they have been doing. Not entirely their fault, but partly. Suggests that in a better environment they might do better, as opposed to just that they'd toss it off wherever they went. I would not be surprised to see our "bad eggs" do very well at their next clubs - including being consummate professionals. Whereas I'd expect the likes of Pearson, Lees & Turton to give it everything regardless of the chaos going on around them. |
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Post by Orinoco on May 12, 2024 16:49:29 GMT 1
Can’t you read? Billing got stick long before he downed tools. Yes I can read but , he downed tools , is it acceptable if he got stick or not before NO !!!! pick and choose your views it’s irrelevant HE DOWNED TOOLS. And the rest your having a dig at fans rightly letting off steam who’ve backed this team home and away given encouragement galore yet you dig them out and try and support the players . Thus clubs fans are worth for more respect than the players this year , yet oh no your digging the fans out. Says it all. Burgzorg is the typical modern day footballer, arrogant and on a massive ego trip, I put tv on BBC to look at scores yesterday and it showed a team team walking into the stadium off the team bus, would have been Chelsea or forest I imagine, everyone of them had headphones on and basically nonchalantly looking into the camera as if they are film stars!!, this happens at all levels, they kick an inflated beach ball around a field ffs!!, will give footie 1 more season but have told my lad it's time to say tooraloo it!!, think the covid season was a wake up how crap the modern game is, fans make the game but the fans in general are fed up not just those at HTFC and on this forum its country wide, only incentive town fans have is cheap season tickets, its not exiting footie and the buzz of cannot wait for 3pm Saturday to come around, lost count of games ive gone to because had the ticket, no way i would have paid to watch the dross as a 1 off game and the majority on here will have been in the same boat!!,Only need you tube nowadays for entertainment n wifi!! not freezing ya bits of watching 11 clueless overpaid clowns running around like headless chickens!!. I love football but this modern day version can go into room 101😃😃 |
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Post by turbo2 on May 12, 2024 17:06:31 GMT 1
Can’t you read? Billing got stick long before he downed tools. Yes I can read but , he downed tools , is it acceptable if he got stick or not before NO !!!! irrelevant HE DOWNED TOOLS. And the rest your having a dig at fans rightly letting off steam who’ve backed this team home and away given encouragement galore yet you dig them out . This clubs fans deserve the respect not the players this year , yet oh no your digging the fans out. Says it all. Billing got dogs of abuse for no apparent reason. In 47 years of going to games I’ve yet to see a player improve who’s getting abuse from his own fans on the terraces. Is it any wonder they take their bat and ball home?? |
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Post by rougeboy31 on May 12, 2024 17:44:18 GMT 1
Regarding Rudoni, I said a few weeks ago that we may reach a bit of a stand off with him this summer. He's a 'promising young player' but he has not had the goals/assists that mean we're going to get offered what we probably feel he is worth. Last Saturday's 'performance' from him had all the hallmarks of him trying to force his way out. He’s young in age fair enough but I think he’s got a lot more experience in terms of games. A lot of the time doesn’t play like it. Very strange player for me. I like him when he’s not trying to do everything but I think the fact he was the only decent player at Wimbledon where he probably had to do everything, and pretty similar at town, has led to him being a utility type player who doesn’t know what role he’ll be playing week in week out |
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Post by brighousebandbred on May 12, 2024 17:45:17 GMT 1
Yes I can read but , he downed tools , is it acceptable if he got stick or not before NO !!!! irrelevant HE DOWNED TOOLS. And the rest your having a dig at fans rightly letting off steam who’ve backed this team home and away given encouragement galore yet you dig them out . This clubs fans deserve the respect not the players this year , yet oh no your digging the fans out. Says it all. Billing got dogs of abuse for no apparent reason. In 47 of going to games I’ve yet to see a player improve who’s getting abuse from his own fans on the terraces. Is it any wonder they take their bat and ball home?? They get paid 20000 plus a week . Lost interest downed tools 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. You Billings agent, never gave Billing any shit but that day he Downed tools was a day he must regret as a pro footballer. I wouldn’t have done that on a 5 aside pitch with my mates if I was 5 nill down with 5 mins to play . It’s irrelevant if he’s Messi it’s disrespectful to the fans the club and the game. |
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Post by rougeboy31 on May 12, 2024 17:49:43 GMT 1
Billing got dogs of abuse for no apparent reason. In 47 of going to games I’ve yet to see a player improve who’s getting abuse from his own fans on the terraces. Is it any wonder they take their bat and ball home?? They get paid 20000 plus a week . Lost interest downed tools 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Some people just can’t accept it. I’m sure that season hoyle said lossl didn’t try against Liverpool because he didn’t want to get injured but nobody seemed to be bothered. Diabenza and Pritchard took the stick for all the others then |
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Post by brighousebandbred on May 12, 2024 17:52:26 GMT 1
They get paid 20000 plus a week . Lost interest downed tools 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Some people just can’t accept it. I’m sure that season hoyle said lossl didn’t try against Liverpool because he didn’t want to get injured but nobody seemed to be bothered. Diabenza and Pritchard took the stick for all the others then Your Dam right I would never accept a player downing tools on the pitch ever, if you do I pity you. Loser mentality . |
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Post by turbo2 on May 12, 2024 18:41:40 GMT 1
Billing got dogs of abuse for no apparent reason. In 47 of going to games I’ve yet to see a player improve who’s getting abuse from his own fans on the terraces. Is it any wonder they take their bat and ball home?? They get paid 20000 plus a week . Lost interest downed tools 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. You Billings agent, never gave Billing any shit but that day he Downed tools was a day he must regret as a pro footballer. I wouldn’t have done that on a 5 aside pitch with my mates if I was 5 nill down with 5 mins to play . It’s irrelevant if he’s Messi it’s disrespectful to the fans the club and the game. You’re carrying on like I’m defending the downing of tools. I’ve never said that. It’s the constant abuse when really the only issue is yet again we’ve signed a player not good enough for the level we’re playing at or continue to play them out of position. Not sure what the weekly wage has to do with anything either. Doesn’t matter if you work on the till at Tesco of get 5m a year. Getting abused is getting abused |
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Post by Flowerdisco on May 12, 2024 19:09:02 GMT 1
Think I'll see if I can down tools at work tomorrow.
Think I'll get more than abuse off the boss.
I'll be walking away with a piece of paper with a P and the numbers 45 on.
Professional footballers wouldn't get "abuse" if they put 100% effort in.
They need to get a fcking grip stop being snowflakes and do the job they are paid to do.
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Post by brighousebandbred on May 12, 2024 20:49:34 GMT 1
Turbo thinks the poor little players are getting a hard time from us fans and can we stop voicing our dismay at them , they may get upset . 😂
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Post by brighousebandbred on May 12, 2024 20:50:39 GMT 1
They get paid 20000 plus a week . Lost interest downed tools 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. You Billings agent, never gave Billing any shit but that day he Downed tools was a day he must regret as a pro footballer. I wouldn’t have done that on a 5 aside pitch with my mates if I was 5 nill down with 5 mins to play . It’s irrelevant if he’s Messi it’s disrespectful to the fans the club and the game. You’re carrying on like I’m defending the downing of tools. I’ve never said that. It’s the constant abuse when really the only issue is yet again we’ve signed a player not good enough for the level we’re playing at or continue to play them out of position. Not sure what the weekly wage has to do with anything either. Doesn’t matter if you work on the till at Tesco of get 5m a year. Getting abused is getting abused 😂 your not worth anymore of my time . Defend these players all you want I won’t. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on May 12, 2024 20:55:28 GMT 1
You keep your head buried fella. And you having the nerve to call anyone puerile is hilarious. Now get back in your box. Wow, what a smart response, I presume you don’t find Spencer, Lees , Pearson, Hogg, Kasumo, Healey et al, upto your levels, and you take no account of the injuries many of our squad suffered , or the length of time they were out , or the fact most of the time our bench was full of 18/19 year old players meaning we couldn’t effectively change players during games, anyway you carry on with your foul mouthed knee jerk rant, why not try giving some thought to your posts instead of the usual , just blame the players, you need to get back in your box . As for the “ fans are to blame” , priceless 😂😂. Waffle, waffle, excuses, excuses. You should apply to be Cartwright's spin doctor, assuming you aren't already. |
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Post by portugalterrier on May 12, 2024 23:40:02 GMT 1
Wow, what a smart response, I presume you don’t find Spencer, Lees , Pearson, Hogg, Kasumo, Healey et al, upto your levels, and you take no account of the injuries many of our squad suffered , or the length of time they were out , or the fact most of the time our bench was full of 18/19 year old players meaning we couldn’t effectively change players during games, anyway you carry on with your foul mouthed knee jerk rant, why not try giving some thought to your posts instead of the usual , just blame the players, you need to get back in your box . As for the “ fans are to blame” , priceless 😂😂. Waffle, waffle, excuses, excuses. You should apply to be Cartwright's spin doctor, assuming you aren't already. 🇵🇹🌞 😂😂 |
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