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Post by Captainslapper on May 13, 2024 0:27:33 GMT 1
Yes I can read but , he downed tools , is it acceptable if he got stick or not before NO !!!! irrelevant HE DOWNED TOOLS. And the rest your having a dig at fans rightly letting off steam who’ve backed this team home and away given encouragement galore yet you dig them out . This clubs fans deserve the respect not the players this year , yet oh no your digging the fans out. Says it all. Billing got dogs of abuse for no apparent reason. In 47 of going to games I’ve yet to see a player improve who’s getting abuse from his own fans on the terraces. Is it any wonder they take their bat and ball home?? He was lazy and half-hearted...despite leading the stats over his midfield partners ( Hogg and mooy ) in distance covered, defensive blocks, shooting attempts, aerial duals won. His rather languid style hid a lot of effort in truth. He was also apparently the worst paid player in the premier league in terms of salary per minute played. |
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Post by B97 on May 13, 2024 7:17:18 GMT 1
Maybe the biggest ego of all was AB He lost the dressing room in days and took us backwards - we were fighting under JW and showed great fitness versus Leeds Yet AB acts like he’s doing us a favour managing the club and taking our money! Does that not make it worse for the players? If they showed that they can do it but just chose not too? |
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Post by ram on May 13, 2024 9:37:01 GMT 1
A Leopard doesn,t change his spots.And none of these players will change their attitudes either,no matter whch team they play for.The job of Manager was made weaker when clubs began appointing so called DOF,s.So it was Cartwright,s job to manage players,not the 1st team coach. Many of these players had a different attitude and significantly improved performance under Warnock and Worthington, so no, your assessment is wrong. My assessment is my opinion of certain players,and is correct..Care to join the list? |
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Post by Fish & Chips on May 13, 2024 9:42:05 GMT 1
Many of these players had a different attitude and significantly improved performance under Warnock and Worthington, so no, your assessment is wrong. My assessment is my opinion of certain players,and is correct..Care to join the list? I don’t care for your list Billy Big Bollocks, nor your lame opinion on this topic tbh. |
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Post by turbo2 on May 13, 2024 9:47:17 GMT 1
Billing got dogs of abuse for no apparent reason. In 47 of going to games I’ve yet to see a player improve who’s getting abuse from his own fans on the terraces. Is it any wonder they take their bat and ball home?? He was lazy and half-hearted...despite leading the stats over his midfield partners ( Hogg and mooy ) in distance covered, defensive blocks, shooting attempts, aerial duals won. His rather languid style hid a lot of effort in truth. He was also apparently the worst paid player in the premier league in terms of salary per minute played. I do think this is very true, but as you say his stats disagree. |
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Post by ram on May 13, 2024 10:01:02 GMT 1
My assessment is my opinion of certain players,and is correct..Care to join the list? I don’t care for your list Billy Big Bollocks, nor your lame opinion tbh. 2 words for you pal,2nd word is off! Don,t bother me again. |
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Post by CowshedJack on May 13, 2024 10:04:33 GMT 1
Burgzorg said on Instagram: “Don’t believe everything you hear if you don’t see it with your own eyes”. He’s then proceeded to like every comment slagging him off.
Sorba, JK, Rudoni, Kasumu, Headley all shown support.
Awful maturity from the lot of them. Can all go.
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Post by Fish & Chips on May 13, 2024 10:05:54 GMT 1
I don’t care for your list Billy Big Bollocks, nor your lame opinion tbh. 2 words for you pal,2nd word is off! Don,t bother me again. Sure thing Billy 😘 |
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Post by ben1987 on May 13, 2024 10:11:10 GMT 1
Burgzorg said on Instagram: “Don’t believe everything you hear if you don’t see it with your own eyes”. He’s then proceeded to like every comment slagging him off. Sorba, JK, Rudoni, Kasumu, Headley all shown support. Awful maturity from the lot of them. Can all go. Quite a few names there that I’ve been told are bad apples. A split dressing room and a very clear divide. Whoever town appoint as the next manager needs to be strong, this squad needs breaking up, it’s unhealthy. It’s such a huge appointment, sadly I have zero faith in the those making the decision to make the right choice. |
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Post by CowshedJack on May 13, 2024 10:12:35 GMT 1
Burgzorg said on Instagram: “Don’t believe everything you hear if you don’t see it with your own eyes”. He’s then proceeded to like every comment slagging him off. Sorba, JK, Rudoni, Kasumu, Headley all shown support. Awful maturity from the lot of them. Can all go. Quite a few names there that I’ve been told are bad apples. A split dressing room and a very clear divide. Whoever town appoint as the next manager needs to be strong, this squad needs breaking up, it’s unhealthy. It’s such a huge appointment, sadly I have zero faith in the those making the decision to make the right choice. It would have been much easier if we didn’t have to get a new manager as well. |
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Post by ben1987 on May 13, 2024 10:15:05 GMT 1
Quite a few names there that I’ve been told are bad apples. A split dressing room and a very clear divide. Whoever town appoint as the next manager needs to be strong, this squad needs breaking up, it’s unhealthy. It’s such a huge appointment, sadly I have zero faith in the those making the decision to make the right choice. It would have been much easier if we didn’t have to get a new manager as well. I’m not even going there. |
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Post by Mastercracker on May 13, 2024 10:18:51 GMT 1
Burgzorg said on Instagram: “Don’t believe everything you hear if you don’t see it with your own eyes”. He’s then proceeded to like every comment slagging him off. Sorba, JK, Rudoni, Kasumu, Headley all shown support. Awful maturity from the lot of them. Can all go. The funny thing is AB never actually named them. Then they've also just outed themselves  Complete spoons, the lot of them. It looks to me we have a core of solid, mainly older pro's and then bunch of immature young fools who think they are gods gift to football, and nothing inbetween the two. It's no wonder we there's a huge split. |
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Post by detox on May 13, 2024 10:22:57 GMT 1
Burgzorg said on Instagram: “Don’t believe everything you hear if you don’t see it with your own eyes”. He’s then proceeded to like every comment slagging him off. Sorba, JK, Rudoni, Kasumu, Headley all shown support. Awful maturity from the lot of them. Can all go. Hmmm, wonder if Matos joined in that group too..Sorba seemed a big mate of his ? Thing is you can see these (better) players taking the micky out of the other (lesser) players, but for me there's enough senior players to have sorted this out. Pearson for one , and defo Lees for another..then Hogg the club captain.!!...so where were they ? Did they keep out of it, avoid getting involved, were they told to leave it to AB ? I find it difficult to comprehend that this situation was left to fester.. |
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Post by theterrier42 on May 13, 2024 10:26:22 GMT 1
Burgzorg said on Instagram: “Don’t believe everything you hear if you don’t see it with your own eyes”. He’s then proceeded to like every comment slagging him off. Sorba, JK, Rudoni, Kasumu, Headley all shown support. Awful maturity from the lot of them. Can all go. The funny thing is AB never actually named them. Then they've also just outed themselves Complete spoons, the lot of them. It looks to me we have a core of solid, mainly older pro's and then bunch of immature young fools who think they are gods gift to football, and nothing inbetween the two. It's no wonder we there's a huge split. I can’t understand how it’s been allowed to happen. The due diligence on players must have been pathetic. I mean burgzorg for example got suspended twice by Mainz for misbehaviour. Who then thinks it’s a good idea to go sign him. To me the most important thing about a player is attitude. All professional footballers have talent, as they simply wouldn’t be one, but the attitude from half this squad is crazy and I can’t believe a lot of their signings got sanctioned |
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Post by Mastercracker on May 13, 2024 10:34:13 GMT 1
The funny thing is AB never actually named them. Then they've also just outed themselves Complete spoons, the lot of them. It looks to me we have a core of solid, mainly older pro's and then bunch of immature young fools who think they are gods gift to football, and nothing inbetween the two. It's no wonder we there's a huge split. I can’t understand how it’s been allowed to happen. The due diligence on players must have been pathetic. I mean burgzorg for example got suspended twice by Mainz for misbehaviour. Who then thinks it’s a good idea to go sign him. To me the most important thing about a player is attitude. All professional footballers have talent, as they simply wouldn’t be one, but the attitude from half this squad is crazy and I can’t believe a lot of their signings got sanctioned Burgzorg is clearly a fuck up and sits with Cartwright I think. Taking a clearly talented but flawed footballer and/or individual and thinking you can make it work is a tale as old as time. Very rarely pays off. But the rest were all here prior, when seemingly our only criteria was "are they cheap". The attitude from Kasumu, Headley and Koroma in particular is mindblowing imo as they are all L1 footballers at best. |
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Post by detox on May 13, 2024 10:36:28 GMT 1
The funny thing is AB never actually named them. Then they've also just outed themselves Complete spoons, the lot of them. It looks to me we have a core of solid, mainly older pro's and then bunch of immature young fools who think they are gods gift to football, and nothing inbetween the two. It's no wonder we there's a huge split. I can’t understand how it’s been allowed to happen. The due diligence on players must have been pathetic. I mean burgzorg for example got suspended twice by Mainz for misbehaviour. Who then thinks it’s a good idea to go sign him. To me the most important thing about a player is attitude. All professional footballers have talent, as they simply wouldn’t be one, but the attitude from half this squad is crazy and I can’t believe a lot of their signings got sanctioned On a cautionary note, we only have AB's word for this rebel group...No one else has validated that claim have they , as far as I am aware. Could it in fact be some of the players simply didn't rate AB , lost confidence, were not listened to and ultimately unhappy ? Did AB come across too much as school master, aloof ..do as I say sort of bloke ? If AB had lost control, lost respect and was being laughed at, maybe ? The fact he's done a runner 6 months into his contract maybe reveals a certain lack of spine with AB ? It doesn't excuse the dire performances I agree, but players who are unhappy, lost belief, not winning week after week and zero confidence in what they're being told what to do....?
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on May 13, 2024 10:42:27 GMT 1
This myth about 'The General' clearly is just that. A real general wouldn't tolerate this in a team/squad. Where was he when all this rubbish was going on?
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 13, 2024 10:52:35 GMT 1
Maybe the biggest ego of all was AB He lost the dressing room in days and took us backwards - we were fighting under JW and showed great fitness versus Leeds Yet AB acts like he’s doing us a favour managing the club and taking our money! Does that not make it worse for the players? If they showed that they can do it but just chose not too? They're humans though If you boss is all about themself, tells the world how great he is and how he could do better than working here, underperforms in his job and then is happy to publicly throw you under the bus to deflect blame from him - would you respect that? |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 13, 2024 11:17:16 GMT 1
I don’t know what to make of all this shenanigans TBH, but one thing that’s clear, is that it sets division amongst the supporters as well.
Some are backing AB, some are advising caution because AB might have triggered something.
One thing I think we can all agree upon, it’s a shitshow that should have remained behind closed doors and sorted out behind them as well.
We have some real weaknesses in the club if this is anything to go by, which is not the best position to be re-building from.
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Post by Fish & Chips on May 13, 2024 11:20:36 GMT 1
Here’s a controversial opinion. Burgzorg showed flashes of near brilliance with a couple of goals. He’s a rough diamond who with the right manager / coach could improve greatly.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 13, 2024 11:45:21 GMT 1
Burgzorg said on Instagram: “Don’t believe everything you hear if you don’t see it with your own eyes”. He’s then proceeded to like every comment slagging him off. Sorba, JK, Rudoni, Kasumu, Headley all shown support. Awful maturity from the lot of them. Can all go. The funny thing is AB never actually named them. Then they've also just outed themselves Complete spoons, the lot of them. It looks to me we have a core of solid, mainly older pro's and then bunch of immature young fools who think they are gods gift to football, and nothing inbetween the two. It's no wonder we there's a huge split. Thomas came second in the player of the season poll Rudoni came third in the player of the season poll Kasumu to me had a good season All three always put the effort in when they played as far as I could see. Do they have the skill - questionable. When they played did anyone think Thomas, Rudoni and Kasumu weren't doing the running? Personally I think they all did All we know is that a lot of players - I think Diarra liked it as well so by my count at least 7 - quickly took a dislike to AB and that just didn't happen to Warnock, Moore or Worthington The truth is usually somewhere in the middle. I don't hold the players blameless but the guy who slammed them publicly - IMO trying to deflect blame - isn't exactly beyond having his motives and personality questioned as well. |
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Post by cyberman on May 13, 2024 11:54:50 GMT 1
Burgzorg said on Instagram: “Don’t believe everything you hear if you don’t see it with your own eyes”. He’s then proceeded to like every comment slagging him off. Sorba, JK, Rudoni, Kasumu, Headley all shown support. Awful maturity from the lot of them. Can all go. The funny thing is AB never actually named them. Then they've also just outed themselves Complete spoons, the lot of them. It looks to me we have a core of solid, mainly older pro's and then bunch of immature young fools who think they are gods gift to football, and nothing inbetween the two. It's no wonder we there's a huge split. Is that were they all go - the "Wether" variety ? - in with the scratters, bald headed postmen and dossers from PigeonPark ? |
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Post by Ross83 on May 13, 2024 11:59:46 GMT 1
Burgzorg said on Instagram: “Don’t believe everything you hear if you don’t see it with your own eyes”. He’s then proceeded to like every comment slagging him off. Sorba, JK, Rudoni, Kasumu, Headley all shown support. Awful maturity from the lot of them. Can all go. Hmmm, wonder if Matos joined in that group too..Sorba seemed a big mate of his ? Thing is you can see these (better) players taking the micky out of the other (lesser) players, but for me there's enough senior players to have sorted this out. Pearson for one , and defo Lees for another..then Hogg the club captain.!!...so where were they ? Did they keep out of it, avoid getting involved, were they told to leave it to AB ? I find it difficult to comprehend that this situation was left to fester.. AB mentioned we missed those players from the group, and when out injured it seems like the bad blood took over. I would imagine it was bad if Tom Lees had to "wall one of them up", the lad is a model professional. |
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Post by k1man999 on May 13, 2024 12:02:15 GMT 1
Billing got dogs of abuse for no apparent reason. In 47 of going to games I’ve yet to see a player improve who’s getting abuse from his own fans on the terraces. Is it any wonder they take their bat and ball home?? He was lazy and half-hearted...despite leading the stats over his midfield partners ( Hogg and mooy ) in distance covered, defensive blocks, shooting attempts, aerial duals won. His rather languid style hid a lot of effort in truth. He was also apparently the worst paid player in the premier league in terms of salary per minute played. Always galls me re billing a very talented player. usesd to go watch academy games quite a bit back then he was head and shoulders above anyone literally and ability wise. His languid style hid a lot of what he did All this shite about the Danish players causing issues was a cover up for the failings at the club.ie jan. Diakaby mbenza sleepwalking into relegation Yes they wanted to leave as 1.they saw them selves as prem players and had international aspirations 2.Wages halved Maybe their agents were not great in the negotiation but anytime you spoke to any of them were more than amenable and bloody lossl came back to help out if you hated the place you just wouldn't. Give me them over a lot of this shower. |
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Post by CowshedJack on May 13, 2024 12:07:42 GMT 1
Here’s a controversial opinion. Burgzorg showed flashes of near brilliance with a couple of goals. He’s a rough diamond who with the right manager / coach could improve greatly. There’s a reason we got him on loan, his attitude stinks and he will never improve at this rate. He’s 25, not 20, you don’t get far at that age with that maturity. Maybe he could come good with the right manager / coach similar to Adel Taraabt for instance. But I think Del is too selfish and has too much of an ego. He genuinely doesn’t think he’s done anything wrong. I’ll never forget watching Bacuna warm up one game, he clearly could not be arsed and was flicking the ball about, not arsed and taking the piss. Never understood how players who get paid insane amounts, doing a job that everyone would want to do, can’t even give a shit about their job. |
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Post by Mastercracker on May 13, 2024 12:10:14 GMT 1
The funny thing is AB never actually named them. Then they've also just outed themselves Complete spoons, the lot of them. It looks to me we have a core of solid, mainly older pro's and then bunch of immature young fools who think they are gods gift to football, and nothing inbetween the two. It's no wonder we there's a huge split. Thomas came second in the player of the season poll Rudoni came third in the player of the season poll Kasumu to me had a good season All three always put the effort in when they played as far as I could see. Do they have the skill - questionable. When they played did anyone think Thomas, Rudoni and Kasumu weren't doing the running? Personally I think they all did All we know is that a lot of players - I think Diarra liked it as well so by my count at least 7 - quickly took a dislike to AB and that just didn't happen to Warnock, Moore or Worthington The truth is usually somewhere in the middle. I don't hold the players blameless but the guy who slammed them publicly - IMO trying to deflect blame - isn't exactly beyond having his motives and personality questioned as well. Not sure what coming 2nd and 3rd in play of the season polls has to do with being a bellend or not. It's not like there was a high number of candidates for POTS. I agree they all did the running but I'd caveat Thomas does it when it suits and in fits and starts. He doesn't track back and I'm not sure follows team instructions IMO. He's also fallen out with multiple players and managers here and Blackburn. We'll have a agree to disagree on Kasumu, I don't rate the lad much at all. I dont think he gets in any other side we had from promotion in 2012 onwards. If he hadn't done the running there's nothing left to his game at Championship level. IMO all AB asked them to do was train twice a day, just as Wagner had (and probably Farke does, and Rohl) and a select bunch had a sulk about it. The same sulks when Fotheringham did it too. The same sulks Vaughan and Lynch had when Wagner did it but seems that time we had a better bunch, and they got binned sharpish. |
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Post by incognito on May 13, 2024 12:22:07 GMT 1
As understandable as it is from an upset fanbase looking for answers, this "bad apples" witch hunt is going to become increasingly counterproductive moving forward.
A successful dressing room dynamic is all about balance. In any group of 25 professional footballers you will have a handful of immature / self-interested individuals. The key is to ensure that you have a critical mass of senior professionals who set the tone into which the rest of the squad buys in. From the outside looking in, it feels like we lost this balance two summers ago, with 2024's Hogg / Lees / Pearson group not quite having the same strength of leadership to set the agenda in the way that Hudson and Whitehead were able to for DW back in 2015/16.
Our Post-PL, Bromby-era recruitment model seemed to place particular emphasis on two demographic groups: 'Northern Dads' and 'Estuary Lads'. Players who were happy to be in Huddersfield either because of existing family circumstances, or because it represented a good opportunity for early career progression. It's hardly surprising that you then end up with two distinct groups in the dressing room. In losing LOB, Toffolo and Duane Holmes we probably also lost the three personalities most capable of acting as the 'glue' by straddling both camps (just as Hefele did in our 2016/17 Anglo-German squad).
I'm not interested in throwing a load of young lads in the bin because they responded with a couple of generic hearts to a departing colleague's farewell Instagram post. Once Burgzorg and Thomas are out of the equation, none of the rest of them strike me as possessing sufficient weight of personality to cause significant issues on their own. Whichever of them are still with us next season I would expect to quickly fall into line provided we correct the balance with the addition of a few quality 'grown-ups' this summer.
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Post by Fish & Chips on May 13, 2024 12:26:40 GMT 1
Here’s a controversial opinion. Burgzorg showed flashes of near brilliance with a couple of goals. He’s a rough diamond who with the right manager / coach could improve greatly. There’s a reason we got him on loan, his attitude stinks and he will never improve at this rate. He’s 25, not 20, you don’t get far at that age with that maturity. Maybe he could come good with the right manager / coach similar to Adel Taraabt for instance. But I think Del is too selfish and has too much of an ego. He genuinely doesn’t think he’s done anything wrong. I’ll never forget watching Bacuna warm up one game, he clearly could not be arsed and was flicking the ball about, not arsed and taking the piss. Never understood how players who get paid insane amounts, doing a job that everyone would want to do, can’t even give a shit about their job. I think it's because many of them are basically big kids. They've also never done another / proper job, missing out on the discipline, responsibility, and direct immediate ownership for the results that most other jobs in the real world require. |
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Post by Fish & Chips on May 13, 2024 12:29:43 GMT 1
As understandable as it is from an upset fanbase looking for answers, this "bad apples" witch hunt is going to become increasingly counterproductive moving forward. A successful dressing room dynamic is all about balance. In any group of 25 professional footballers you will have a handful of immature / self-interested individuals. The key is to ensure that you have a critical mass of senior professionals who set the tone into which the rest of the squad buys in. From the outside looking in, it feels like we lost this balance two summers ago, with 2024's Hogg / Lees / Pearson group not quite having the same strength of leadership to set the agenda in the way that Hudson and Whitehead were able to for DW back in 2015/16. Our Post-PL, Bromby-era recruitment model seemed to place particular emphasis on two demographic groups: 'Northern Dads' and 'Estuary Lads'. Players who were happy to be in Huddersfield either because of existing family circumstances, or because it represented a good opportunity for early career progression. It's hardly surprising that you then end up with two distinct groups in the dressing room. In losing LOB, Toffolo and Duane Holmes we probably also lost the three personalities most capable of acting as the 'glue' by straddling both camps (just as Hefele did in our 2016/17 Anglo-German squad). I'm not interested in throwing a load of young lads in the bin because they responded with a couple of generic hearts to a departing colleague's farewell Instagram post. Once Burgzorg and Thomas are out of the equation, none of the rest of them strike me as possessing sufficient weight of personality to cause significant issues on their own. Whichever of them are still with us next season I would expect to quickly fall into line provided we correct the balance with the addition of a few quality 'grown-ups' this summer. Well said. Losing Holmes has cost us much more than just in the dressing room. |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 13, 2024 12:30:09 GMT 1
Burgzorg said on Instagram: “Don’t believe everything you hear if you don’t see it with your own eyes”. He’s then proceeded to like every comment slagging him off. Sorba, JK, Rudoni, Kasumu, Headley all shown support. Awful maturity from the lot of them. Can all go. Hmmm, wonder if Matos joined in that group too..Sorba seemed a big mate of his ? Thing is you can see these (better) players taking the micky out of the other (lesser) players, but for me there's enough senior players to have sorted this out. Pearson for one , and defo Lees for another..then Hogg the club captain.!!...so where were they ? Did they keep out of it, avoid getting involved, were they told to leave it to AB ? I find it difficult to comprehend that this situation was left to fester.. What can they actually do though? If the group is as sizeable as it seems to be then they all take strength from that and back each other up. Collectively, I bet they couldn't give a shite what the likes of Pearson, Hogg and Lees think of them. If it was just one or two, you could maybe influence them, but 5 or 6 or 7 ? Thats a lot of ego and attitude to challenge. And also many of those older heads have been out for long periods so wont have been with the team in training or travelling to away games. |
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