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Post by Fish & Chips on May 13, 2024 12:35:27 GMT 1
Burgzorg said on Instagram: “Don’t believe everything you hear if you don’t see it with your own eyes”. He’s then proceeded to like every comment slagging him off. Sorba, JK, Rudoni, Kasumu, Headley all shown support. Awful maturity from the lot of them. Can all go. Hmmm, wonder if Matos joined in that group too..Sorba seemed a big mate of his ? Thing is you can see these (better) players taking the micky out of the other (lesser) players, but for me there's enough senior players to have sorted this out. Pearson for one , and defo Lees for another..then Hogg the club captain.!!...so where were they ? Did they keep out of it, avoid getting involved, were they told to leave it to AB ? I find it difficult to comprehend that this situation was left to fester.. I think that the seniors are just exhausted from all the managerial changes and related styles. Each time they've had to gee up the youngsters, get them to adapt, etc. Finally they got to the point where they saw how relatively clueless of the Championship AB was and they couldn't be arsed to control the kids any longer, can't really blame them to be honest. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 13, 2024 13:37:42 GMT 1
Thomas came second in the player of the season poll Rudoni came third in the player of the season poll Kasumu to me had a good season All three always put the effort in when they played as far as I could see. Do they have the skill - questionable. When they played did anyone think Thomas, Rudoni and Kasumu weren't doing the running? Personally I think they all did All we know is that a lot of players - I think Diarra liked it as well so by my count at least 7 - quickly took a dislike to AB and that just didn't happen to Warnock, Moore or Worthington The truth is usually somewhere in the middle. I don't hold the players blameless but the guy who slammed them publicly - IMO trying to deflect blame - isn't exactly beyond having his motives and personality questioned as well. Not sure what coming 2nd and 3rd in play of the season polls has to do with being a bellend or not. It's not like there was a high number of candidates for POTS. I agree they all did the running but I'd caveat Thomas does it when it suits and in fits and starts. He doesn't track back and I'm not sure follows team instructions IMO. He's also fallen out with multiple players and managers here and Blackburn. We'll have a agree to disagree on Kasumu, I don't rate the lad much at all. I dont think he gets in any other side we had from promotion in 2012 onwards. If he hadn't done the running there's nothing left to his game at Championship level. IMO all AB asked them to do was train twice a day, just as Wagner had (and probably Farke does, and Rohl) and a select bunch had a sulk about it. The same sulks when Fotheringham did it too. The same sulks Vaughan and Lynch had when Wagner did it but seems that time we had a better bunch, and they got binned sharpish. Thing is we have no idea how AB went about it. To me he's every bit as discredited as the players out of this mess He strikes me as having a ego - the way he talks like this job is beneath him. He also comes across as being thin skinned. That presser was a like a sulky teenager who hadn't got his way I also found his presser comments unprofessional frankly especially in light of the fact he was going to walk. Have your say by all means but say to KN and whoever else privately but doing it in public just made it harder to move these players on and probably will impact the fees we get. That's why 99.9% of managers - however let down they feel - don't vent their spline in public about players Whatever happened he lost the dressing room unlike the rest. People make out Warnock was soft but I remember him freezing out Camara and Rowe last season. At the same time he got players like Koroma and Ruffels who were in the bomb squad playing well. That's man management What matters ultimately is what happens on the pitch. We've had some right lunatics play at Town down the year - if you believe the rumours etc - but on the pitch they tried there best. Some of my favourite and most committed players I've seen in a Town shirt I'd happily never meet I guess my point with the senior pros is none of them delivered on the pitch in the way Thomas and Rudoni did. Only Helik performed better based on the fans choice of Player of the Season As you say agree to disagree but I think the truth is a little more in the middle |
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Post by tepidterrier on May 13, 2024 14:07:51 GMT 1
There’s a reason we got him on loan, his attitude stinks and he will never improve at this rate. He’s 25, not 20, you don’t get far at that age with that maturity. Maybe he could come good with the right manager / coach similar to Adel Taraabt for instance. But I think Del is too selfish and has too much of an ego. He genuinely doesn’t think he’s done anything wrong. I’ll never forget watching Bacuna warm up one game, he clearly could not be arsed and was flicking the ball about, not arsed and taking the piss. Never understood how players who get paid insane amounts, doing a job that everyone would want to do, can’t even give a shit about their job. I think it's because many of them are basically big kids. They've also never done another / proper job, missing out on the discipline, responsibility, and direct immediate ownership for the results that most other jobs in the real world require. One of the things that makes Sorba a bit of an enigma is that he's one of the few professional footballers at this level who HAS had a proper job. And had that heartbreaking experience of being released from a big academy, to the point where he chucked his boots in the bin and didn't play at all for a year. Makes his behaviour all the more confusing- it's always been clear that he's a big personality who can be difficult to handle. Corberan seemed to manage him though. I genuinely thought he'd turned a corner in terms of his attitude and maturity earlier this year, he was working hard and was definitely a leader on the pitch. A big shame. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on May 13, 2024 14:09:57 GMT 1
I think it's because many of them are basically big kids. They've also never done another / proper job, missing out on the discipline, responsibility, and direct immediate ownership for the results that most other jobs in the real world require. One of the things that makes Sorba a bit of an enigma is that he's one of the few professional footballers at this level who HAS had a proper job. And had that heartbreaking experience of being released from a big academy, to the point where he chucked his boots in the bin and didn't play at all for a year. Makes his behaviour all the more confusing- it's always been clear that he's a big personality who can be difficult to handle. Corberan seemed to manage him though. I genuinely thought he'd turned a corner in terms of his attitude and maturity earlier this year, he was working hard and was definitely a leader on the pitch. A big shame. Sorba’s been a very naughty boy allegedly, I’ll leave it for the more ITK on here to either confirm or deny it. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 13, 2024 14:12:38 GMT 1
One of the things that makes Sorba a bit of an enigma is that he's one of the few professional footballers at this level who HAS had a proper job. And had that heartbreaking experience of being released from a big academy, to the point where he chucked his boots in the bin and didn't play at all for a year. Makes his behaviour all the more confusing- it's always been clear that he's a big personality who can be difficult to handle. Corberan seemed to manage him though. I genuinely thought he'd turned a corner in terms of his attitude and maturity earlier this year, he was working hard and was definitely a leader on the pitch. A big shame. Sorba’s been a very naughty boy allegedly, I’ll leave it for the more ITK on here to either confirm or deny it. Confirm or deny what? 😂 |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on May 13, 2024 14:15:03 GMT 1
Sorba’s been a very naughty boy allegedly, I’ll leave it for the more ITK on here to either confirm or deny it. Confirm or deny what? 😂 You should know better than anyone those on here hold you to fucking gun point if you say anything they chose not to believe or like |
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Post by melbourneterrier on May 13, 2024 14:16:30 GMT 1
Huh?
Back to 'Zorg. If he learnt how to pass, I'm sure he'd have more fans on his side!
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Post by htafcokay on May 13, 2024 14:17:02 GMT 1
You should know better than anyone those on here hold you to fucking gun point if you say anything they chose not to believe or like Such negativity  |
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Post by Mastercracker on May 13, 2024 14:21:04 GMT 1
You should know better than anyone those on here hold you to fucking gun point if you say anything they chose not to believe or like Sorba the Greek Leak |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on May 13, 2024 14:22:05 GMT 1
You should know better than anyone those on here hold you to fucking gun point if you say anything they chose not to believe or like Sorba the Greek Leak 👀 |
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Post by townarentbest on May 13, 2024 14:31:01 GMT 1
I can’t understand how it’s been allowed to happen. The due diligence on players must have been pathetic. I mean burgzorg for example got suspended twice by Mainz for misbehaviour. Who then thinks it’s a good idea to go sign him. To me the most important thing about a player is attitude. All professional footballers have talent, as they simply wouldn’t be one, but the attitude from half this squad is crazy and I can’t believe a lot of their signings got sanctioned On a cautionary note, we only have AB's word for this rebel group...No one else has validated that claim have they , as far as I am aware. Could it in fact be some of the players simply didn't rate AB , lost confidence, were not listened to and ultimately unhappy ? Did AB come across too much as school master, aloof ..do as I say sort of bloke ? If AB had lost control, lost respect and was being laughed at, maybe ? The fact he's done a runner 6 months into his contract maybe reveals a certain lack of spine with AB ? It doesn't excuse the dire performances I agree, but players who are unhappy, lost belief, not winning week after week and zero confidence in what they're being told what to do....?
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Post by mosher on May 13, 2024 14:31:13 GMT 1
You should know better than anyone those on here hold you to fucking gun point if you say anything they chose not to believe or like Sorba the Greek Leak Surely that should be leek? |
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Post by townarentbest on May 13, 2024 14:32:55 GMT 1
This myth about 'The General' clearly is just that. A real general wouldn't tolerate this in a team/squad. Where was he when all this rubbish was going on? Doubt he'd be in and around the squad too much whilst nursing a broken shoulder. |
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Post by nicovaesen on May 13, 2024 14:36:29 GMT 1
So Thomas was the whistleblower about AB then?
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Post by Mastercracker on May 13, 2024 14:37:07 GMT 1
Surely that should be leek? Put it this way, both spellings work. |
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Post by incognito on May 13, 2024 14:44:40 GMT 1
So Thomas was the whistleblower about AB then? Either that or he's been widdling in Lees' kit bag... |
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Post by tepidterrier on May 13, 2024 15:03:44 GMT 1
One of the things that makes Sorba a bit of an enigma is that he's one of the few professional footballers at this level who HAS had a proper job. And had that heartbreaking experience of being released from a big academy, to the point where he chucked his boots in the bin and didn't play at all for a year. Makes his behaviour all the more confusing- it's always been clear that he's a big personality who can be difficult to handle. Corberan seemed to manage him though. I genuinely thought he'd turned a corner in terms of his attitude and maturity earlier this year, he was working hard and was definitely a leader on the pitch. A big shame. Sorba’s been a very naughty boy allegedly, I’ll leave it for the more ITK on here to either confirm or deny it. In continuation of HTFC tradition, flying to Germany to shag Breitenreiter's wife |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on May 13, 2024 15:12:11 GMT 1
So Thomas was the whistleblower about AB then? And a bit more |
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Post by B97 on May 13, 2024 16:28:42 GMT 1
Does that not make it worse for the players? If they showed that they can do it but just chose not too? They're humans though If you boss is all about themself, tells the world how great he is and how he could do better than working here, underperforms in his job and then is happy to publicly throw you under the bus to deflect blame from him - would you respect that? No I wouldn’t be happy at all. I would have some pride in my performance though. |
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Post by nicovaesen on May 13, 2024 16:44:50 GMT 1
So Thomas was the whistleblower about AB then? And a bit more All ears on this. What else has he been up to and is it bad enough to see us shafted by other clubs for a transfer fee? |
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Post by teddytheterrier on May 13, 2024 17:53:55 GMT 1
It appears mr glittering cv wasn’t so great then.
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Post by Carlito Brigante on May 13, 2024 19:15:09 GMT 1
As understandable as it is from an upset fanbase looking for answers, this "bad apples" witch hunt is going to become increasingly counterproductive moving forward. A successful dressing room dynamic is all about balance. In any group of 25 professional footballers you will have a handful of immature / self-interested individuals. The key is to ensure that you have a critical mass of senior professionals who set the tone into which the rest of the squad buys in. From the outside looking in, it feels like we lost this balance two summers ago, with 2024's Hogg / Lees / Pearson group not quite having the same strength of leadership to set the agenda in the way that Hudson and Whitehead were able to for DW back in 2015/16. Our Post-PL, Bromby-era recruitment model seemed to place particular emphasis on two demographic groups: 'Northern Dads' and 'Estuary Lads'. Players who were happy to be in Huddersfield either because of existing family circumstances, or because it represented a good opportunity for early career progression. It's hardly surprising that you then end up with two distinct groups in the dressing room. In losing LOB, Toffolo and Duane Holmes we probably also lost the three personalities most capable of acting as the 'glue' by straddling both camps (just as Hefele did in our 2016/17 Anglo-German squad). I'm not interested in throwing a load of young lads in the bin because they responded with a couple of generic hearts to a departing colleague's farewell Instagram post. Once Burgzorg and Thomas are out of the equation, none of the rest of them strike me as possessing sufficient weight of personality to cause significant issues on their own. Whichever of them are still with us next season I would expect to quickly fall into line provided we correct the balance with the addition of a few quality 'grown-ups' this summer. Well said. Losing Holmes has cost us much more than just in the dressing room. Holmes clearly wasn’t a Warnock player but the fact we replaced him with Wiles was one of the many reasons we ended up where we did |
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Post by efesodje23 on May 14, 2024 13:01:12 GMT 1
So what's Sorba been up to then? Drop some more clues!
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Post by hoggy1975 on May 14, 2024 13:18:17 GMT 1
So what's Sorba been up to then? Drop some more clues! Be a few more vague comments made. |
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Post by Wingman on May 14, 2024 13:28:54 GMT 1
So what's Sorba been up to then? Drop some more clues! Reading between the lines, the optimum word appears to be ‘leak’. Make of that what you will. Maybe his favourite animal is a mole? Time for the sulky brat to go. |
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Post by buckers on May 14, 2024 13:42:17 GMT 1
When we beat blackburn at home I thought he’d be a great signing. He terrified them that night. Maybe they were just that bad or he had one of them matches were everything he did came off.
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Post by hoggy1975 on May 14, 2024 14:01:12 GMT 1
So what's Sorba been up to then? Drop some more clues! Reading between the lines, the optimum word appears to be ‘leak’. Make of that what you will. Maybe his favourite animal is a mole? Time for the sulky brat to go. Unless it’s leaking of lineups, I can’t see what of. AB openly spoke about trouble makers towards the end and I can’t remember many of the press using anonymous sources or anything. |
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Post by ambryboy on May 14, 2024 15:01:20 GMT 1
One of the things that makes Sorba a bit of an enigma is that he's one of the few professional footballers at this level who HAS had a proper job. And had that heartbreaking experience of being released from a big academy, to the point where he chucked his boots in the bin and didn't play at all for a year. Makes his behaviour all the more confusing- it's always been clear that he's a big personality who can be difficult to handle. Corberan seemed to manage him though. I genuinely thought he'd turned a corner in terms of his attitude and maturity earlier this year, he was working hard and was definitely a leader on the pitch. A big shame. Sorba’s been a very naughty boy allegedly, I’ll leave it for the more ITK on here to either confirm or deny it. So NOT the Messiah then? |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on May 14, 2024 15:16:50 GMT 1
Sorba’s been a very naughty boy allegedly, I’ll leave it for the more ITK on here to either confirm or deny it. So NOT the Messiah then? Not at all |
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Post by Wingman on May 14, 2024 16:35:36 GMT 1
Reading between the lines, the optimum word appears to be ‘leak’. Make of that what you will. Maybe his favourite animal is a mole? Time for the sulky brat to go. Unless it’s leaking of lineups, I can’t see what of. AB openly spoke about trouble makers towards the end and I can’t remember many of the press using anonymous sources or anything. Who knows for sure? I’m sure it’ll come out eventually but let’s move him on, if anyone wants to take a punt on him. |
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