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Post by Torquayterrier on Sept 19, 2023 7:38:13 GMT 1
Amongst all the furore around Neil leaving, this seems to have been overlooked somehow. This is a bold statement to make and one which in light of everything that has gone on should give us fans some optimism that the future is very bright! With a claim like that I cannot imagine we will be appointing a chancer like Ince or Jones. Should be an interesting ride whatever happens! If Paul Ince became manager the only way we would leave this division is downward, and it would always be someone else's fault. |
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Post by irverino on Sept 19, 2023 8:23:46 GMT 1
A fortnight tomorrow we play Birmingham City away, they have new American owners who also want Premier League football (asap), the current Blues manager John Eustace is heavily linked with Rangers fc at the moment & if he was to leave it will be interesting to see what sort of a (big name) manager they attract/appoint......Are we on a par with them or are they way ahead with the likes of Tom Brady on board? How is having Tom Brady on board being way ahead of us? US football (gridiron) star buys minority stake in English football club, which I’m sure he’ll have factored in writing it down if nothing comes of it. Maybe a bigger problem that Town fans need to get used to, will be the fact that we effectively have ownership by proxy in operation. We’ve never had a non-UK resident owner of the club. They’ve always been close to the day to day and within handshaking/pitchfork throwing distance of the supporters. I’m hoping this new owner does OK for us, but it’ll be an entirely different experience that will have many different challenges for him and the supporters. Many people decry many of our previous owners, but at least they were all fairly local and were reachable in person, even it some did want to punch them on the nose occasionally. If we start to become an entertainment product for something that’s beyond the fanbase it’ll make me think twice about ST renewal. Can’t stand the off the field shite that dominates the game. Perhaps having a big name attached to the club attracts a big sponsor/investor, Tom Brady may be relatively unknown to many in the UK but he his pretty well known in the US.......Some will think it makes a difference others will disagree, the Brum & Wrexham owners seem to like it. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 19, 2023 8:35:24 GMT 1
I get the commercial angle. Not sure how it influences Birmingham being ahead of us on the pitch though?
I was walking behind someone leaving the game on Sat, who was talking about all this US style promotion being necessary to attract a younger audience to the club and keep the club going. I know there’s plenty of other distractions nowadays, but it’s what’s played out on the park that ultimately attracts football supporters in this country.
You can have as many fan zones, commercial links overseas and development around the ground to pull in the fans on a match day, but if the product on the pitch is shite and it ultimately leads to relegation, fans will drop away.
Football is losing it’s soul, get it right on the pitch and that’s how you secure the longer term success and sell it to the kids. Fair do’s, some will like the stuff outside the ground, but they’ll only be there to experience and buy into it, if the team is set up right and doing well. I don’t think there are as many of a younger generation who would be as loyal to Town as many on here are, if it was razzmatazz in the 4th division.
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Post by irverino on Sept 19, 2023 8:40:38 GMT 1
I don't think Birmingham City are ahead of Town on the pitch & under Warnock was expecting at least a point.....New 'bounce' manager should ensure 3 points now.
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Post by foxtrot666 on Sept 19, 2023 9:08:16 GMT 1
I wonder if the new owners realise how much it will cost to get us into the prem in 3 years, IMO not one of our current out field squad is good enough to play at that level so you're looking at changing the entire squad the cost of which will be massive. I can't see how being self sufficient and getting into the prem go together but let's see what happens.
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Post by runner76 on Sept 19, 2023 9:14:33 GMT 1
I wonder if the new owners realise how much it will cost to get us into the prem in 3 years, IMO not one of our current out field squad is good enough to play at that level so you're looking at changing the entire squad the cost of which will be massive. I can't see how being self sufficient and getting into the prem go together but let's see what happens. No no no. Easier than that. Hire Wagner. |
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Post by willo on Sept 19, 2023 9:36:26 GMT 1
Amongst all the furore around Neil leaving, this seems to have been overlooked somehow. This is a bold statement to make and one which in light of everything that has gone on should give us fans some optimism that the future is very bright! With a claim like that I cannot imagine we will be appointing a chancer like Ince or Jones. Should be an interesting ride whatever happens! If Paul Ince became manager the only way we would leave this division is downward, and it would always be someone else's fault. Where’s Paul Ince’s name sprung from? Done virtually nothing as a manager and would be a terrible appointment. Assume it’s a load of bollox. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Sept 19, 2023 11:11:14 GMT 1
I don't think Birmingham City are ahead of Town on the pitch & under Warnock was expecting at least a point.....New 'bounce' manager should ensure 3 points now. They’re ahead of us in the table and it sounded as though they beat us to one or more players in the summer. Probably down to the sell on for Bellingham and the £4m for Chong than anything their new owners have done. They have more attacking ability in the squad than us, feels like they’re a transfer window ahead of us at this point but that can soon change. |
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Post by goodbet on Sept 19, 2023 13:28:17 GMT 1
I don't think Birmingham City are ahead of Town on the pitch & under Warnock was expecting at least a point.....New 'bounce' manager should ensure 3 points now. When was the the last time we got a new manager bounce? |
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Post by Dan on Sept 19, 2023 13:30:08 GMT 1
I don't think Birmingham City are ahead of Town on the pitch & under Warnock was expecting at least a point.....New 'bounce' manager should ensure 3 points now. When was the the last time we got a new manager bounce? About 7 months ago |
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Post by delroy on Sept 19, 2023 14:38:48 GMT 1
Why do you think he doesn't have enough money?
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Post by Amigo on Sept 19, 2023 17:41:41 GMT 1
The Brighton team that started and tore Manchester United apart at Old Trafford on Saturday cost £16m, around £9m less than Fulham paid for Alex Iwobi.
We've spent decent money before, and wasted it badly.
You can get out of this league without spending silly money. As weak as our team is perceived to be there's not many teams I can think of that we couldn't give a good game. Yes we need a striker and the squad is thin, but we're far from awful and spent hardly anything.
Staying up is a different matter but with a good plan and a team of good characters you can get there.
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Post by runner76 on Sept 19, 2023 19:31:22 GMT 1
Hold on.....so Nagle was willing to buy the club if relegated and has a 3 year plan to the top flight......so that would have been 2 promotions in 3 years?
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Post by kyg on Sept 19, 2023 19:44:39 GMT 1
I heard this too and mentioned that even though it may not happen it’s better than being told we should be happy as low end championship team. At least there is some ambition but the question is will they back it up.
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 19, 2023 19:48:37 GMT 1
The Brighton team that started and tore Manchester United apart at Old Trafford on Saturday cost £16m, around £9m less than Fulham paid for Alex Iwobi. We've spent decent money before, and wasted it badly. You can get out of this league without spending silly money. As weak as our team is perceived to be there's not many teams I can think of that we couldn't give a good game. Yes we need a striker and the squad is thin, but we're far from awful and spent hardly anything. Staying up is a different matter but with a good plan and a team of good characters you can get there. Ten Haag complained about the money spent by PL teams, including Brighton. He spent £64m on that new Scandinavian striker 🤔 |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Sept 19, 2023 20:13:32 GMT 1
Hold on.....so Nagle was willing to buy the club if relegated and has a 3 year plan to the top flight......so that would have been 2 promotions in 3 years? Surely, he would have had 2 plans, 1 for if we stayed up & 1 for relegation? We don't need to hear what Plan B was because we stayed up. |
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Post by runner76 on Sept 19, 2023 20:19:04 GMT 1
Hold on.....so Nagle was willing to buy the club if relegated and has a 3 year plan to the top flight......so that would have been 2 promotions in 3 years? Surely, he would have had 2 plans, 1 for if we stayed up & 1 for relegation? We don't need to hear what Plan B was because we stayed up. I like to think it was one Plan, just Plan A.  |
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Post by sapphireblue on Sept 19, 2023 20:36:30 GMT 1
Surely, he would have had 2 plans, 1 for if we stayed up & 1 for relegation? We don't need to hear what Plan B was because we stayed up. I like to think it was one Plan, just Plan A. No successful business ever, ever, ever, ever, had only one plan. |
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Post by Amigo on Sept 19, 2023 20:53:52 GMT 1
The Brighton team that started and tore Manchester United apart at Old Trafford on Saturday cost £16m, around £9m less than Fulham paid for Alex Iwobi. We've spent decent money before, and wasted it badly. You can get out of this league without spending silly money. As weak as our team is perceived to be there's not many teams I can think of that we couldn't give a good game. Yes we need a striker and the squad is thin, but we're far from awful and spent hardly anything. Staying up is a different matter but with a good plan and a team of good characters you can get there. Ten Haag complained about the money spent by PL teams, including Brighton. He spent £64m on that new Scandinavian striker 🤔 I saw that, I find it incredible managers can come out with stuff like that without knowing what they're saying, since Ten Hag turned up just over a year ago they've spent £370m in the transfer market, Brighton in that time have made a profit of £170m. Over half a billion pounds difference and he comes out with that shit?! |
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Post by royrace on Sept 20, 2023 7:34:27 GMT 1
The Brighton team that started and tore Manchester United apart at Old Trafford on Saturday cost £16m, around £9m less than Fulham paid for Alex Iwobi. We've spent decent money before, and wasted it badly. You can get out of this league without spending silly money. As weak as our team is perceived to be there's not many teams I can think of that we couldn't give a good game. Yes we need a striker and the squad is thin, but we're far from awful and spent hardly anything. Staying up is a different matter but with a good plan and a team of good characters you can get there. Brighton are £400M in debt. Success in the PL costs tens and hundreds of millions, no matter how well the club is run. |
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Post by Amigo on Sept 20, 2023 10:05:33 GMT 1
The Brighton team that started and tore Manchester United apart at Old Trafford on Saturday cost £16m, around £9m less than Fulham paid for Alex Iwobi. We've spent decent money before, and wasted it badly. You can get out of this league without spending silly money. As weak as our team is perceived to be there's not many teams I can think of that we couldn't give a good game. Yes we need a striker and the squad is thin, but we're far from awful and spent hardly anything. Staying up is a different matter but with a good plan and a team of good characters you can get there. Brighton are £400M in debt. Success in the PL costs tens and hundreds of millions, no matter how well the club is run. I did say it was possible to get there fairly cheap but that staying there is a different matter 😉 The £400m debt doesn't include money they are owed for transfers even before last season or money made from transfers since last seasons window or even compensation they received for Potter and his coaching staff so I'd imagine their accounts now look a fair bit healthier. Brentford are obviously a better example who do/did have debt but nowhere near that amount. I think with both though the main success is down to managerial appointments, player recruitment as well but both have had very very good managers to get the best out of the players brought in. |
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Post by harris on Sept 20, 2023 10:58:56 GMT 1
Will Darren Moore get us to the PL in 3 years?
You’d have to imagine he will be heavily backed to have a chance.
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Post by goodbet on Sept 20, 2023 11:34:50 GMT 1
Will Darren Moore get us to the PL in 3 years? You’d have to imagine he will be heavily backed to have a chance. To be fair, I think that any manager will need to be heavily backed to have a chance at getting in to the PL in 3 years. |
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Post by workshyfop on Sept 21, 2023 11:00:12 GMT 1
Perhaps KN thinks it’s a franchise thing like the US. Either way, it’s going to take more money than we see to have or be prepared to spend. Still, never a dull moment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2023 11:13:36 GMT 1
Brighton are £400M in debt. Success in the PL costs tens and hundreds of millions, no matter how well the club is run. I did say it was possible to get there fairly cheap but that staying there is a different matter 😉 The £400m debt doesn't include money they are owed for transfers even before last season or money made from transfers since last seasons window or even compensation they received for Potter and his coaching staff so I'd imagine their accounts now look a fair bit healthier. Brentford are obviously a better example who do/did have debt but nowhere near that amount. I think with both though the main success is down to managerial appointments, player recruitment as well but both have had very very good managers to get the best out of the players brought in. That £400m includes the stadium build aswell. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2023 11:16:56 GMT 1
Will Darren Moore get us to the PL in 3 years? You’d have to imagine he will be heavily backed to have a chance. If it's Moore i'm coming round to the idea slowly. He's handled players very well, from want away Prima-Donna's at WBA to the hoof merchants at Donny Rovers. It sounds like people management is his greatest strength, which is how NW has always sold himself. I don't know if he's had a stable back room following him, this is super important if we do hire him. |
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Post by onesteviekindon on Sept 21, 2023 12:00:06 GMT 1
I'd have been much happier with a more realistic target, such as an established top half of the Championship club within 3 years. Having achieved that we can then focus on the next step.
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