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Post by royrace on Jun 1, 2024 13:08:00 GMT 1
Now Warnock has put all this 'out there', it'll be interesting to see if Town counter in any way - if they have anything to counter it with. I imagine Nagle will be seething. It's pretty much what most of us thought anyway. I'd imagine Warnock and Ronnie are less than happy about being accused of running a totally unprofessional pre season and in some way responsible for relegation. Both proud professionals, with bags of success in the EFL and being called out by a random German coach, Kevin and dumb and dumber. You'd be fuming. I think we can all guess who the shit stirrer is blaming everyone else when it's clearly all his own fault. He's played a blinder to be fair, must be laughing his cock off. |
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 1, 2024 13:15:13 GMT 1
I don't think so, you have to remember that Ian Greaves was still in a job even after 2 successive relegation (another Town record?), he did the 1st season in the 3rd tier but rumblings in the boardroom were in full swing when we weren't storming up the league table & I think Frank Drabble stepped down because of this.......Greaves actually left in the end & no mention of him being forced too at the time or since, maybe a question Mr Binns could answer, but maybe he wouldn't? Went on to decent success with Bolton. Ian Greaves was never the problem - the old butcher, baker, candlestick maker ownership model definitely was. They loved Ian Greaves at Mansfield, even named a stand after him. Perfect opportunity next season to have a dedicated Ian Greaves game, against either Mansfield or Bolton. There's an idea... |
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Post by londoncowling on Jun 1, 2024 13:20:47 GMT 1
I think Neil Warnock is self serving and I 100% believe that whatever he said does not tell the whole story. He has openly discussed things there that didn't need to be discussed, and against a club he claims to have great affection for. We have just been relegated and the supporters and club need to be united, what he has said is only going to create resentment. He's gone and needs to be forgotten. do you not agree that after being publicly slaughtered by Brieten he was always going to publicly defend himself you may choose to forget the promotion the Wembley auto glass final and the championship survival last year many of us will choose to remember those achievements |
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Post by incognito on Jun 1, 2024 13:25:18 GMT 1
There's no way Neil thought we would make the play offs (Ronnie is quoted above as saying he didn't know how they managed to keep them up the season before), he just wanted to put pressure on KN & he knew the fans would bring this up when we struggled. I love Neil but he's not daft, everything he does is for him, noone else. Imagine his face when he pops in this afternoon to read the fallout from last night only to discover half the posts are about Ian Greaves  |
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Post by turbo2 on Jun 1, 2024 13:40:02 GMT 1
Hard to know how much Warnock is bending the truth to be honest. It does make me laugh how he thinks he could have gotten play offs; but doesn’t take any accountability of how shit we started that season. It really fucks me off how the players were ringing them and stuff, just a bunch of cowards. Can’t wait to see the back of some of them. Ronnie told a very good friend of mine that it was the worst squad of players they had ever seen. Typical they then say it was play offs target. Take everything with a pinch of salt. It’s all about the money. The only bit I believe is the tweet and fallout over NWs press conference reply to it. Piss a yank owner off and there’s only one outcome If the part about players contacting them during the run in is to be believed, it explains exactly why we were relegated. Set of cowards |
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Post by dirtyoldtown on Jun 1, 2024 13:42:26 GMT 1
Cheers for the write up, Lee. If ever I needed confirmation as to why we got relegated, it’s the bit above. Who the fuck do these players think they are? ‘Oh Neil I don’t like this guy, he upsets me’. Ringing a former manager just shows the type they are. They’re such an unlikeable buncH. As for Teflon Cartwright, how he’s still in a job baffles me. It just illustrates what a set of piss weak characters they are/were. Or how much of a nobhead AB was |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jun 1, 2024 13:42:38 GMT 1
Went on to decent success with Bolton. Ian Greaves was never the problem - the old butcher, baker, candlestick maker ownership model definitely was. They loved Ian Greaves at Mansfield, even named a stand after him. Perfect opportunity next season to have a dedicated Ian Greaves game, against either Mansfield or Bolton. There's an idea... Excellent idea. |
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 1, 2024 13:42:58 GMT 1
Hard to know how much Warnock is bending the truth to be honest. It does make me laugh how he thinks he could have gotten play offs; but doesn’t take any accountability of how shit we started that season. It really fucks me off how the players were ringing them and stuff, just a bunch of cowards. Can’t wait to see the back of some of them. Ronnie told a very good friend of mine that it was the worst squad of players they had ever seen. Typical they then say it was play offs target. Take everything with a pinch of salt. It’s all about the money. The only bit I believe is the tweet and fallout over NWs press conference reply to it. Piss a yank owner off and there’s only one outcome If the part about players contacting them during the run in is to be believed, it explains exactly why we were relegated. Set of cowards While I'm not saying it would have happened, taking a bunch of crap players and getting them promoted is what Warnock has built his career on. So, while I don't agree with Jepson, the statement isn't as ridiculous as it seems when you look at the teams Warnock has got promoted in the past. For example, that Cardiff team in 2018 was rubbish on paper, yet they were the only team that challenged a very good Wolves side that year. Iain Dunn said to me last night that the side he took up in 1995 didn't have any superstars in it, but they were all hardworkers (Boothy has said something similar in the past). |
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Post by goodbet on Jun 1, 2024 13:43:46 GMT 1
Something that really niggles me about all this. Everything Warnock has said might be 100% true (I like most think it lies half way between) BUT even if it’s all true it does nothing to help the club. It just leads to more unrest among a fan base and possibly some of the players. If they really cared about the club like they say they wouldn’t have put their own egos first. Met Neil a few times in my days on Calendar Sport. The only thing he is interested in - regardless of who else is in the room - is himself. Moore never said anything bad about him-so neither did Warnock. AB called him out and he is now fighting back. Anyway it’s time to move on; and that is now all Down to Cartwright. Fail and there will be no hiding place for him. Down to Cartwright. Fail AGAIN. |
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Post by royrace on Jun 1, 2024 13:48:16 GMT 1
Hard to know how much Warnock is bending the truth to be honest. It does make me laugh how he thinks he could have gotten play offs; but doesn’t take any accountability of how shit we started that season. It really fucks me off how the players were ringing them and stuff, just a bunch of cowards. Can’t wait to see the back of some of them. Ronnie told a very good friend of mine that it was the worst squad of players they had ever seen. Typical they then say it was play offs target. Take everything with a pinch of salt. It’s all about the money. The only bit I believe is the tweet and fallout over NWs press conference reply to it. Piss a yank owner off and there’s only one outcome If the part about players contacting them during the run in is to be believed, it explains exactly why we were relegated. Set of cowards Based on how we finished the season before and the fact they expected to be able to strengthen (spent £4M in Jan), I think it's understandable they thought play offs might be possible. So do I! NW doesn't need a team full of quality, he finds a way to win, he'd have done the same last season given chance. We'd have finished top half, I'm certain. They said the squad was crap when they arrived, unbalanced, under performing, no characters etc. They fixed that though as best they could. Even made Josh Ruffles look championship quality, that feat alone tells you all you need to know! Water into wine, it's what he does. |
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Post by impact on Jun 1, 2024 13:51:23 GMT 1
From what they said, it was players that were contacting Warnock and Jepson about the manager, not the other way around. Cheers for the write up, Lee. If ever I needed confirmation as to why we got relegated, it’s the bit above. Who the fuck do these players think they are? ‘Oh Neil I don’t like this guy, he upsets me’. Ringing a former manager just shows the type they are. They’re such an unlikeable buncH. As for Teflon Cartwright, how he’s still in a job baffles me. Or they are inexperienced players short of confidence for 2 years apart from 3 months where Warnock took them under his wing. You are assuming they're just ringing him up to complain about the manager. If they speak to him and he boosts their confidence, gives them some advice and gets them smiling, how is that a bad thing? Rudoni is 22 years old in his 2nd championship season FFS. There is not a chance in hell Warnock would have treated him like Andre did, and that's why Rudoni will look to Warnock for advice and guidance. Andre's treatment of him was disgraceful. |
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Post by crux on Jun 1, 2024 13:58:40 GMT 1
Cheers for the write up, Lee. If ever I needed confirmation as to why we got relegated, it’s the bit above. Who the fuck do these players think they are? ‘Oh Neil I don’t like this guy, he upsets me’. Ringing a former manager just shows the type they are. They’re such an unlikeable buncH. As for Teflon Cartwright, how he’s still in a job baffles me. Or they are inexperienced players short of confidence for 2 years apart from 3 months where Warnock took them under his wing. You are assuming they're just ringing him up to complain about the manager. If they speak to him and he boosts their confidence, gives them some advice and gets them smiling, how is that a bad thing? Rudoni is 22 years old in his 2nd championship season FFS. There is not a chance in hell Warnock would have treated him like Andre did, and that's why Rudoni will look to Warnock for advice and guidance. Andre's treatment of him was disgraceful. If the last sentence relates to the early substitution at Ipswich, then I think you're wrong. Rudoni deserved that, his 'performance' that day was a disgrace. |
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Post by goodbet on Jun 1, 2024 13:59:32 GMT 1
I think Neil Warnock is self serving and I 100% believe that whatever he said does not tell the whole story. He has openly discussed things there that didn't need to be discussed, and against a club he claims to have great affection for. We have just been relegated and the supporters and club need to be united, what he has said is only going to create resentment. He's gone and needs to be forgotten. You maybe right, but so many swallow what AB said hook line and sinker after it came out of a manager that was terrible and turned on the players. I don't claim any insider knowledge but bitter words from someone who was an abject failure holds a lot less sway than Warnock with all his faults. Last year there was a call by Cartwrights bots trying to put all the blame everything on Warnock. This year we have AB's rant and now it is all down to the players. It must be the only reason has to why Cartwright is still in a job. I wonder what the next excuse will be? |
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 1, 2024 14:00:56 GMT 1
I think Neil Warnock is self serving and I 100% believe that whatever he said does not tell the whole story. He has openly discussed things there that didn't need to be discussed, and against a club he claims to have great affection for. We have just been relegated and the supporters and club need to be united, what he has said is only going to create resentment. He's gone and needs to be forgotten. Yeah, a bloke that took the club to Wembley twice, got them promoted and then returned 28 years later to rescue them from relegation ain't gonna be forgotten. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jun 1, 2024 14:02:26 GMT 1
Ronnie told a very good friend of mine that it was the worst squad of players they had ever seen. Typical they then say it was play offs target. Take everything with a pinch of salt. It’s all about the money. The only bit I believe is the tweet and fallout over NWs press conference reply to it. Piss a yank owner off and there’s only one outcome If the part about players contacting them during the run in is to be believed, it explains exactly why we were relegated. Set of cowards Based on how we finished the season before and the fact they expected to be able to strengthen (spent £4M in Jan), I think it's understandable they thought play offs might be possible. So do I! NW doesn't need a team full of quality, he finds a way to win, he'd have done the same last season given chance. We'd have finished top half, I'm certain. They said the squad was crap when they arrived, unbalanced, under performing, no characters etc. They fixed that though as best they could. Even made Josh Ruffles look championship quality, that feat alone tells you all you need to know! Water into wine, it's what he does. Yeah. He turned ruffles into the best left back in the league apparently |
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Post by turbo2 on Jun 1, 2024 14:05:05 GMT 1
Ronnie told a very good friend of mine that it was the worst squad of players they had ever seen. Typical they then say it was play offs target. Take everything with a pinch of salt. It’s all about the money. The only bit I believe is the tweet and fallout over NWs press conference reply to it. Piss a yank owner off and there’s only one outcome If the part about players contacting them during the run in is to be believed, it explains exactly why we were relegated. Set of cowards While I'm not saying it would have happened, taking a bunch of crap players and getting them promoted is what Warnock has built his career on. So, while I don't agree with Jepson, the statement isn't as ridiculous as it seems when you look at the teams Warnock has got promoted in the past. For example, that Cardiff team in 2018 was rubbish on paper, yet they were the only team that challenged a very good Wolves side that year. Iain Dunn said to me last night that the side he took up in 1995 didn't have any superstars in it, but they were all hardworkers (Boothy has said something similar in the past). He created a miracle keeping us up. And total credit for that. No doubt. We were relegated after the Wigan away game But I don’t believe the way we played is a way you can get a team up the league over 46 games. It was a short term approach that was magnificent. |
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 1, 2024 14:05:36 GMT 1
Based on how we finished the season before and the fact they expected to be able to strengthen (spent £4M in Jan), I think it's understandable they thought play offs might be possible. So do I! NW doesn't need a team full of quality, he finds a way to win, he'd have done the same last season given chance. We'd have finished top half, I'm certain. They said the squad was crap when they arrived, unbalanced, under performing, no characters etc. They fixed that though as best they could. Even made Josh Ruffles look championship quality, that feat alone tells you all you need to know! Water into wine, it's what he does. Yeah. He turned ruffles into the best left back in the league apparently He also said he wouldn't swap our defence for Chelsea's. Classic case of good man-management. |
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 1, 2024 14:06:57 GMT 1
While I'm not saying it would have happened, taking a bunch of crap players and getting them promoted is what Warnock has built his career on. So, while I don't agree with Jepson, the statement isn't as ridiculous as it seems when you look at the teams Warnock has got promoted in the past. For example, that Cardiff team in 2018 was rubbish on paper, yet they were the only team that challenged a very good Wolves side that year. Iain Dunn said to me last night that the side he took up in 1995 didn't have any superstars in it, but they were all hardworkers (Boothy has said something similar in the past). He created a miracle keeping us up. And total credit for that. No doubt. We were relegated after the Wigan away game But I don’t believe the way we played is a way you can get a team up the league over 46 games. It was a short term approach that was magnificent. Perhaps not, but I personally think he'd have kept us up. I don't think we'd have got anywhere near the play-offs as that team is garbage, but I do think he'd have got enough out of them to survive. He has a knack of getting more out of players than he has any right to. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jun 1, 2024 14:08:38 GMT 1
Yeah. He turned ruffles into the best left back in the league apparently He also said he wouldn't swap our defence for Chelsea's. Classic case of good man-management. Absolutely ridiculous quote. But getting inside players heads is defo his forte. And at our level it’s half of the battle. Players surely can’t get to this level without having some ability |
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 1, 2024 14:10:04 GMT 1
He also said he wouldn't swap our defence for Chelsea's. Classic case of good man-management. Absolutely ridiculous quote. But getting inside players heads is defo his forte. And at our level it’s half of the battle. Players surely can’t get to this level without having some ability Might be a ridiculous quote to us, but how does Josh Ruffels feel when he hears that? |
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Post by turbo2 on Jun 1, 2024 14:10:15 GMT 1
He created a miracle keeping us up. And total credit for that. No doubt. We were relegated after the Wigan away game But I don’t believe the way we played is a way you can get a team up the league over 46 games. It was a short term approach that was magnificent. Perhaps not, but I personally think he'd have kept us up. I don't think we'd have got anywhere near the play-offs as that team is garbage, but I do think he'd have got enough out of them to survive. He has a knack of getting more out of players than he has any right to. He’d defo have put up a better show than the two we turned to. A pragmatic approach defo works when you’re playing squad is as bad as ours. |
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Post by dugnet on Jun 1, 2024 14:14:56 GMT 1
NW and RJ will always be remembered for their rapport with fans and contribution to the football club.
There is a narrative around Mr Nagle and his team because of how last season panned out. If things don't improve on the pitch that narrative will develop and continue. If we start winning games it loses credence.
The ideal, for everyone, is that we do start winning games. NW remains a hero, Mr Nagle and team gain credibility and we have a winning team. Win, win, win.
Let's hope that's what happens.
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Post by royrace on Jun 1, 2024 14:28:06 GMT 1
Based on how we finished the season before and the fact they expected to be able to strengthen (spent £4M in Jan), I think it's understandable they thought play offs might be possible. So do I! NW doesn't need a team full of quality, he finds a way to win, he'd have done the same last season given chance. We'd have finished top half, I'm certain. They said the squad was crap when they arrived, unbalanced, under performing, no characters etc. They fixed that though as best they could. Even made Josh Ruffles look championship quality, that feat alone tells you all you need to know! Water into wine, it's what he does. Yeah. He turned ruffles into the best left back in the league apparently If anyone took that at face value then more fool them. That's what he does, he builds them up, boosts their confidence. It's what he's done his entire career. Weird some town fans still don't get it despite having watched him at work twice. |
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Post by ben1987 on Jun 1, 2024 15:01:43 GMT 1
Cheers for the write up, Lee. If ever I needed confirmation as to why we got relegated, it’s the bit above. Who the fuck do these players think they are? ‘Oh Neil I don’t like this guy, he upsets me’. Ringing a former manager just shows the type they are. They’re such an unlikeable buncH. As for Teflon Cartwright, how he’s still in a job baffles me. Or they are inexperienced players short of confidence for 2 years apart from 3 months where Warnock took them under his wing. You are assuming they're just ringing him up to complain about the manager. If they speak to him and he boosts their confidence, gives them some advice and gets them smiling, how is that a bad thing? Rudoni is 22 years old in his 2nd championship season FFS. There is not a chance in hell Warnock would have treated him like Andre did, and that's why Rudoni will look to Warnock for advice and guidance. Andre's treatment of him was disgraceful. Jack Rudonis performance at Ipswich was a disgrace, AB did what should have been done. Please stop making excuses for these underperforming fannys. Also, the poster who did the write up said “He then added, “the lads kept ringing us. They said towards the end of the season, they didn’t do any set-pieces in training and then he comes out with all this about pubs and golf. The guy hasn’t a clue. It’s a good job he’s gone as he’d be getting them relegated even further, because he’d lost the dressing room” So the players told him they didn’t do set pieces and AB had lost the dressing room - that isn’t advice, that’s called being a bitch. |
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Post by willo on Jun 1, 2024 15:08:17 GMT 1
The fact is Warnock came in last season inheriting a poor team and somehow kept us up. 2 further managers tried to do the same and failed with an equally poor team. Whilst Warnock is in la la land if he thinks that team was troubling the play-offs, he would have had us safely secure in around 15th place in the Championship with 3/4 games still to play I am absolutely certain of. As it is, multiple mistakes by certain individuals have seen us drop into League 1. Good work 👍.
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Post by goodbet on Jun 1, 2024 15:47:34 GMT 1
Or they are inexperienced players short of confidence for 2 years apart from 3 months where Warnock took them under his wing. You are assuming they're just ringing him up to complain about the manager. If they speak to him and he boosts their confidence, gives them some advice and gets them smiling, how is that a bad thing? Rudoni is 22 years old in his 2nd championship season FFS. There is not a chance in hell Warnock would have treated him like Andre did, and that's why Rudoni will look to Warnock for advice and guidance. Andre's treatment of him was disgraceful. Jack Rudonis performance at Ipswich was a disgrace, AB did what should have been done. Please stop making excuses for these underperforming fannys. Also, the poster who did the write up said “He then added, “the lads kept ringing us. They said towards the end of the season, they didn’t do any set-pieces in training and then he comes out with all this about pubs and golf. The guy hasn’t a clue. It’s a good job he’s gone as he’d be getting them relegated even further, because he’d lost the dressing room” So the players told him they didn’t do set pieces and AB had lost the dressing room - that isn’t advice, that’s called being a bitch. AB was the worst manager we have had for some time, at the end of his tenure calling the players out after he failed to bring anything to the party is just building himself an excuse. In a group of any workers you get the full range of different types of personality and if you are in chage you have to be able to deal with them. AB calling Warnock out for the pre season after DM had been in place for months after then is laughable. Warnock has his faults but taking anything as gospel from AB is just showing your own bias. |
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 1, 2024 16:02:15 GMT 1
Jack Rudonis performance at Ipswich was a disgrace, AB did what should have been done. Please stop making excuses for these underperforming fannys. Also, the poster who did the write up said “He then added, “the lads kept ringing us. They said towards the end of the season, they didn’t do any set-pieces in training and then he comes out with all this about pubs and golf. The guy hasn’t a clue. It’s a good job he’s gone as he’d be getting them relegated even further, because he’d lost the dressing room” So the players told him they didn’t do set pieces and AB had lost the dressing room - that isn’t advice, that’s called being a bitch. AB was the worst manager we have had for some time, at the end of his tenure calling the players out after he failed to bring anything to the party is just building himself an excuse. In a group of any workers you get the full range of different types of personality and if you are in chage you have to be able to deal with them. AB calling Warnock out for the pre season after DM had been in place for months after then is laughable. Warnock has his faults but taking anything as gospel from AB is just showing your own bias. Oh, the irony. Ben, like most of us has actually watched the players this season. No bias whatsoever. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jun 1, 2024 16:07:00 GMT 1
Yeah. He turned ruffles into the best left back in the league apparently If anyone took that at face value then more fool them. That's what he does, he builds them up, boosts their confidence. It's what he's done his entire career. Weird some town fans still don't get it despite having watched him at work twice. If you bothered to read my other comments you’d realise I’ve already given him credit for the mind games It’s just the ridiculous levels of exaggeration I laugh at |
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Post by ldr on Jun 1, 2024 16:14:02 GMT 1
Cheers for the write up, Lee. If ever I needed confirmation as to why we got relegated, it’s the bit above. Who the fuck do these players think they are? ‘Oh Neil I don’t like this guy, he upsets me’. Ringing a former manager just shows the type they are. They’re such an unlikeable buncH. As for Teflon Cartwright, how he’s still in a job baffles me. Or they are inexperienced players short of confidence for 2 years apart from 3 months where Warnock took them under his wing. You are assuming they're just ringing him up to complain about the manager. If they speak to him and he boosts their confidence, gives them some advice and gets them smiling, how is that a bad thing? Rudoni is 22 years old in his 2nd championship season FFS. There is not a chance in hell Warnock would have treated him like Andre did, and that's why Rudoni will look to Warnock for advice and guidance. Andre's treatment of him was disgraceful. Same age as my oldest son who is making his way in the project management industry. I would love to hear that experienced colleagues are taking him under their wing and providing advice and a chance to chat. These things can and do happen without sinister reasons. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jun 1, 2024 16:52:28 GMT 1
I wonder who filled AB in on the poor pre season etc etc.. Someone was clearly giving him the info and wanting it to point at Warnock, not Moore or possibly themselves ?
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