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Post by htafcokay on Oct 31, 2023 12:01:37 GMT 1
Honest question. If Neil Warnock is such a good manager why did he fail to get Jordan Rhodes playing the way he is at Blackpool? I know it's a division below but still, he's played nearly every minute of every league game since the end of August and scored 9 and got 2 assists. I know this will seem like blasphemey to many on here but Danny Ward, last season under Warnock, scored 2 and got 2 assists in more games than Rhodes has played at Blackpool. So how much potential damage did Warnock playing his favourite son over someone who looks to be a better striker cause us? Also what part of our current problem is Warnock insisting Ward got a new contract whilst shipping Rhodes out? As Monty Python would say 'He's not the mesiah'. Jordan Rhodes hasn't scored double figures in the Championship since the 2015-16 season. There's your answer. |
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Post by royrace on Oct 31, 2023 12:24:12 GMT 1
Honest question. If Neil Warnock is such a good manager why did he fail to get Jordan Rhodes playing the way he is at Blackpool? I know it's a division below but still, he's played nearly every minute of every league game since the end of August and scored 9 and got 2 assists. I know this will seem like blasphemey to many on here but Danny Ward, last season under Warnock, scored 2 and got 2 assists in more games than Rhodes has played at Blackpool. So how much potential damage did Warnock playing his favourite son over someone who looks to be a better striker cause us? Also what part of our current problem is Warnock insisting Ward got a new contract whilst shipping Rhodes out? As Monty Python would say 'He's not the mesiah'. Rhodes just isn't a his type of player and doesn't have the legs to run around like ward does. The results he was getting vindicate his decision but in the absence of anyone better and with a new manager he should be here not at Blackpool. Only town could let a quality striker like Rhodes go on loan and then play the likes of Harrat, Hudlin and wingers up front. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 12:57:29 GMT 1
Honest question. If Neil Warnock is such a good manager why did he fail to get Jordan Rhodes playing the way he is at Blackpool? I know it's a division below but still, he's played nearly every minute of every league game since the end of August and scored 9 and got 2 assists. I know this will seem like blasphemey to many on here but Danny Ward, last season under Warnock, scored 2 and got 2 assists in more games than Rhodes has played at Blackpool. So how much potential damage did Warnock playing his favourite son over someone who looks to be a better striker cause us? Also what part of our current problem is Warnock insisting Ward got a new contract whilst shipping Rhodes out? As Monty Python would say 'He's not the mesiah'. Jordan Rhodes hasn't scored double figures in the Championship since the 2015-16 season. There's your answer. Is it that big a gap between the divisions? Only Wednesday are below us from the 3 who came up. Blackpool are currently 7th in div 1. We got Karlan Grant when in the prem and he managed the step up. Surely a primary thing for a manager to do is get the best out of his strikers? Goals change games 🙂 |
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 31, 2023 13:05:28 GMT 1
Jordan Rhodes hasn't scored double figures in the Championship since the 2015-16 season. There's your answer. Is it that big a gap between the divisions? Only Wednesday are below us from the 3 who came up. Blackpool are currently 7th in div 1. We got Karlan Grant when in the prem and he managed the step up. Surely a primary thing for a manager to do is get the best out of his strikers? Goals change games 🙂 Rhodes didn't score many goals before Warnock arrived either. |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 31, 2023 13:19:04 GMT 1
Looks like QPR spent longer than five minutes finding their man. Bet they're pissed off that they missed out on Big Dave, with us changing everything to rush and get him 🙄 |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 31, 2023 13:21:27 GMT 1
Jordan Rhodes hasn't scored double figures in the Championship since the 2015-16 season. There's your answer. Is it that big a gap between the divisions? Only Wednesday are below us from the 3 who came up. Blackpool are currently 7th in div 1. We got Karlan Grant when in the prem and he managed the step up. Surely a primary thing for a manager to do is get the best out of his strikers? Goals change games 🙂 But no manager has managed it in donkeys years with JR in this division. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 14:25:18 GMT 1
Is it that big a gap between the divisions? Only Wednesday are below us from the 3 who came up. Blackpool are currently 7th in div 1. We got Karlan Grant when in the prem and he managed the step up. Surely a primary thing for a manager to do is get the best out of his strikers? Goals change games 🙂 But no manager has managed it in donkeys years with JR in this division. 22/23 season Ward played about 1,000 minutes more than Rhodes and scored 1 fewer goals. So, on balance, given strikers are there to score goals, why would you ship Rhodes out but keep Ward, especially given Ward's injury problems? For me it is all about Warnock having his favourites, Josh Ruffels being possibly the best left back in the division, I think Neil said. Having said that he played about the same amount as Ward and only scored 2 goals less. My only reason for highlighting this, because I was praising Warnock as much as anyone last season, is because I think some of our current plight is due to decisions he had a hand in. There will have been budgets to address, and high earners will have been top of the list, but resigning Ward & Ruffels and leaving us with just one really poor right back and no other senior striker? We will never know who made what decisions and how much was down to the new management team playing catch up and how much down to money, or who wouldn't sign because of our strange manergerial position, which may also be why Warnock needed to go well before January. I would say though that DM has been dealt a really poor hand and I still think he should have this season, and the January window, to sort it out. We are, and have been for quite a long time, a bit of a car crash of a club. The whole things wants a rebuild but chopping and changing managers with the same poor players is not the answer. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Oct 31, 2023 14:53:55 GMT 1
Is it that big a gap between the divisions? Only Wednesday are below us from the 3 who came up. Blackpool are currently 7th in div 1. We got Karlan Grant when in the prem and he managed the step up. Surely a primary thing for a manager to do is get the best out of his strikers? Goals change games 🙂 But no manager has managed it in donkeys years with JR in this division. Because they all played one up front and Whilst Rhodes can play that role, its to the cost of his goalscoring prowess. Blackpool play two up front. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 15:04:17 GMT 1
But no manager has managed it in donkeys years with JR in this division. Because they all played one up front and Whilst Rhodes can play that role, its to the cost of his goalscoring prowess. Blackpool play two up front. And weirdly, so do we now, but with Harratt & Burgzorg. |
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Post by sabailand on Nov 4, 2023 13:26:50 GMT 1
From Warnock himself regarding Ten Hagg at Man utd.
.....I thought when he(Ten Hag)first came over he was going to be the answer because i thought it needed a disciplinarian in that environment.But i've got to say i've not enjoyed how he's gone about it.The money that he's spent, people forget.Some of the players they've spent £60-70 million.I wouldn't have had them with me at Huddersfield.
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Post by yappledapple on Dec 8, 2023 21:41:11 GMT 1
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Post by irverino on Dec 8, 2023 22:04:26 GMT 1
Didn't see the birthday greeting to Neil from Town last Friday for his 75th.....Presume they did, saw Mick Buxton & others have this year.
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Post by tockyterrier on Dec 9, 2023 22:15:02 GMT 1
Jordan Rhodes hasn't scored double figures in the Championship since the 2015-16 season. There's your answer. Is it that big a gap between the divisions? Only Wednesday are below us from the 3 who came up. Blackpool are currently 7th in div 1. We got Karlan Grant when in the prem and he managed the step up. Surely a primary thing for a manager to do is get the best out of his strikers? Goals change games 🙂 I'd say it was more to do with the rest of the team. Ward.doesnt play as an out and out striker, and is there to close down and press and make chances for the two either side of him as much as score. I Think Warnock felt we didnt /don't have the players to both create the chances for Rhodes and close down their defenders to justify the "luxury" of an out and out striker. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2023 22:22:16 GMT 1
Is it that big a gap between the divisions? Only Wednesday are below us from the 3 who came up. Blackpool are currently 7th in div 1. We got Karlan Grant when in the prem and he managed the step up. Surely a primary thing for a manager to do is get the best out of his strikers? Goals change games 🙂 I'd say it was more to do with the rest of the team. Ward.doesnt play as an out and out striker, and is there to close down and press and make chances for the two either side of him as much as score. I Think Warnock felt we didnt /don't have the players to both create the chances for Rhodes and close down their defenders to justify the "luxury" of an out and out striker. Well I have to think we would be happy with a 13 goal luxury at the moment. |
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Post by rubicon on Dec 10, 2023 7:19:11 GMT 1
Having just watched the Blackpool highlights, I honestly can't see Jordan scoring goals like that at Town. The guy was never the fastest, and even less so now. Yesterdays goals came because Blackpool flooded the box with players, and the one thing Jordan is brilliant at is finishing off chances that fall at his feet.
When did we last get that many players in the opposition box, apart from corners when there are just as many defenders? Probably under Wagner, when everyone loved getting forward, and even Hoggy got on the scoresheet a couple of times.
Jordan is far more like Greaves or Law, at his level. If we played to those strengths he'd still score in the Championship, not as many I'm sure, but it's a luxury Championship managers don't like.
They seem to prefer everyone working their bollocks off trying to play six roles at once, and spending most of their time injured. Bring back the old days where you knew what a player was meant to do. (Not really, we'd lose every week, only really worked when your squad strength was 15 players and the same for everyone else)
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 10, 2023 12:43:35 GMT 1
I'd say it was more to do with the rest of the team. Ward.doesnt play as an out and out striker, and is there to close down and press and make chances for the two either side of him as much as score. I Think Warnock felt we didnt /don't have the players to both create the chances for Rhodes and close down their defenders to justify the "luxury" of an out and out striker. Well I have to think we would be happy with a 13 goal luxury at the moment. But he wouldn't have 13 goals if he'd been here all season |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 13:11:22 GMT 1
Well I have to think we would be happy with a 13 goal luxury at the moment. But he wouldn't have 13 goals if he'd been here all season If he had 4 it would still be a lot better than Ward. However you frame it it seems like a stupid move given our lack of attacking options. |
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Post by harris on Dec 10, 2023 13:16:32 GMT 1
Connor Mahoney is doing really well at Gillingham. Why aren’t people calling for him back?
Or is it safe to say that playing at a lower level makes poorer players look better…?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 14:04:03 GMT 1
Connor Mahoney is doing really well at Gillingham. Why aren’t people calling for him back? Or is it safe to say that playing at a lower level makes poorer players look better…? Decent wingers, unlike good strikers, are not a rare commodity. Also Mahoney has never, unlike Rhodes, excelled at Championship level. It’s apples vs onions. |
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Post by harris on Dec 10, 2023 14:13:14 GMT 1
Connor Mahoney is doing really well at Gillingham. Why aren’t people calling for him back? Or is it safe to say that playing at a lower level makes poorer players look better…? Decent wingers, unlike good strikers, are not a rare commodity. Also Mahoney has never, unlike Rhodes, excelled at Championship level. It’s apples vs onions. I don’t think it’s Apple and onions to compare two players not good enough for the championship doing better in the lower divisions. |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 10, 2023 14:31:30 GMT 1
Connor Mahoney is doing really well at Gillingham. Why aren’t people calling for him back? Or is it safe to say that playing at a lower level makes poorer players look better…? Decent wingers, unlike good strikers, are not a rare commodity. Also Mahoney has never, unlike Rhodes, excelled at Championship level. It’s apples vs onions. When did Rhodes last excel in the Championship? |
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Post by boooothy on Dec 10, 2023 15:01:12 GMT 1
Decent wingers, unlike good strikers, are not a rare commodity. Also Mahoney has never, unlike Rhodes, excelled at Championship level. It’s apples vs onions. When did Rhodes last excel in the Championship? He excels when compared to Harrett and Hudlin |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 10, 2023 15:07:04 GMT 1
When did Rhodes last excel in the Championship? He excels when compared to Harrett and Hudlin That wasn't the question. |
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Post by boooothy on Dec 10, 2023 17:47:26 GMT 1
He excels when compared to Harrett and Hudlin That wasn't the question. It wasn’t but it’s very relevant |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 10, 2023 17:54:31 GMT 1
That wasn't the question. It wasn’t but it’s very relevant It's completely irrelevant. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 18:51:34 GMT 1
Decent wingers, unlike good strikers, are not a rare commodity. Also Mahoney has never, unlike Rhodes, excelled at Championship level. It’s apples vs onions. When did Rhodes last excel in the Championship? A few years ago but he is a good striker and they, as we know, are very hard to come by. He needs a team to help him play to his strengths, as Blackpool do. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 18:53:18 GMT 1
Decent wingers, unlike good strikers, are not a rare commodity. Also Mahoney has never, unlike Rhodes, excelled at Championship level. It’s apples vs onions. I don’t think it’s Apple and onions to compare two players not good enough for the championship doing better in the lower divisions. Mahoney, as far as I know, has never excelled. Rhodes has. That is the difference in the comparison. |
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Post by harris on Dec 10, 2023 19:04:20 GMT 1
I don’t think it’s Apple and onions to compare two players not good enough for the championship doing better in the lower divisions. Mahoney, as far as I know, has never excelled. Rhodes has. That is the difference in the comparison. Rhodes excelled about 7/8 years ago. Both were good enough for this level at a time, now they’re not. |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 10, 2023 19:18:05 GMT 1
When did Rhodes last excel in the Championship? A few years ago but he is a good striker and they, as we know, are very hard to come by. He needs a team to help him play to his strengths, as Blackpool do. Leave him at Blackpool then. |
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Dec 10, 2023 19:30:43 GMT 1
When did Rhodes last excel in the Championship? A few years ago but he is a good striker and they, as we know, are very hard to come by. He needs a team to help him play to his strengths, as Blackpool do. I think it's more that other league 1 teams play to his strengths. |
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