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Post by ambryboy on Jan 30, 2024 10:22:46 GMT 1
I dared to venture on to the Examiner website just now, ready to kill a thousand pop ups. I know it’s not been a ‘local’ paper for years, but nothing in the main stories about his dismissal. Is it all a dream then? 😉 'fraid so, there will be a club announcement a little later showing Darren Moore stepping out of the shower saying it was all just a dream. |
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Post by dugnet on Jan 30, 2024 10:26:58 GMT 1
It must be tough for all these posters who know they'll get sacked on the spot if they make an error of judgement in their jobs. We must have a lot of air traffic controllers on here! You make a fair point, however this next choice will surely determine the fate of those make the choices? If not that then the overall plan that those who have delegated responsibility for is open to fair scrutiny and criticism. |
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Post by Matt1908 on Jan 30, 2024 10:31:46 GMT 1
It must be tough for all these posters who know they'll get sacked on the spot if they make an error of judgement in their jobs. We must have a lot of air traffic controllers on here! Do you really think Moore has only made one mistake? He has made a number of errors and if I made a number of errors that could ultimately lead to my company losing millions I would also expect to lose my job. Plus, he is paid handsomely and will get a severance package that 99% of us on here could only dream of. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jan 30, 2024 10:38:12 GMT 1
It must be tough for all these posters who know they'll get sacked on the spot if they make an error of judgement in their jobs. We must have a lot of air traffic controllers on here! Do you really think Moore has only made one mistake? He has made a number of errors and if I made a number of errors that could ultimately lead to my company losing millions I would also expect to lose my job. Plus, he is paid handsomely and will get a severance package that 99% of us on here could only dream of. Is he not referring to Cartwright? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 30, 2024 10:54:56 GMT 1
It must be tough for all these posters who know they'll get sacked on the spot if they make an error of judgement in their jobs. We must have a lot of air traffic controllers on here! Do you really think Moore has only made one mistake? He has made a number of errors and if I made a number of errors that could ultimately lead to my company losing millions I would also expect to lose my job. Plus, he is paid handsomely and will get a severance package that 99% of us on here could only dream of. Was referring to the DoF and CEO people want sacking for appointing him. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 30, 2024 10:57:12 GMT 1
I dared to venture on to the Examiner website just now, ready to kill a thousand pop ups. I know it’s not been a ‘local’ paper for years, but nothing in the main stories about his dismissal. Is it all a dream then? 😉 'fraid so, there will be a club announcement a little later showing Darren Moore stepping out of the shower saying it was all just a dream. Darren does Dallas… |
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Post by Matt1908 on Jan 30, 2024 11:00:30 GMT 1
Do you really think Moore has only made one mistake? He has made a number of errors and if I made a number of errors that could ultimately lead to my company losing millions I would also expect to lose my job. Plus, he is paid handsomely and will get a severance package that 99% of us on here could only dream of. Was referring to the DoF and CEO people want sacking for appointing him. Wrong end of stick this end! Apologies |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 30, 2024 11:04:44 GMT 1
It must be tough for all these posters who know they'll get sacked on the spot if they make an error of judgement in their jobs. We must have a lot of air traffic controllers on here! You make a fair point, however this next choice will surely determine the fate of those make the choices? If not that then the overall plan that those who have delegated responsibility for is open to fair scrutiny and criticism. I expect it will. Though Im not convinced Moore was the wrong choice...in that he probably wasnt if we hadnt then gone into an unprecedented injury situation he hasnt coped with very well.. If we'd just had 'normal' injuries and the one striker of any note warnock left Moore with had been fit ( ward ) then I doubt we'd be having these discussions now as we'd probably be much higher up the table. In hindsight we needed a manager who was good in a crisis and Moore wasnt it. Not sure who we could have appointed who'd have coped with the injuries we had that much better though. People will say warnock but would he? His points per game this season with this weak squad wasnt much better than Moores and that was before the injuries hit and put half of them out. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jan 30, 2024 11:12:39 GMT 1
You make a fair point, however this next choice will surely determine the fate of those make the choices? If not that then the overall plan that those who have delegated responsibility for is open to fair scrutiny and criticism. I expect it will. Though Im not convinced Moore was the wrong choice...in that he probably wasnt if we hadnt then gone into an unprecedented injury situation he hasnt coped with very well.. If we'd just had 'normal' injuries and the one striker of any note warnock left Moore with had been fit ( ward ) then I doubt we'd be having these discussions now as we'd probably be much higher up the table. In hindsight we needed a manager who was good in a crisis and Moore wasnt it. Not sure who we could have appointed who'd have coped with the injuries we had that much better though. People will say warnock but would he? His points per game this season with this weak squad wasnt much better than Moores and that was before the injuries hit and put half of them out. Well put. Good view. Moore's record was actually a good defensive record, unfortunately it was the attacking side that never got going. If I had felt that he was aware and trying to do something about it then I probably wouldn't have felt the need for change. However it never felt like he really knew what the issues were, his interviews made him seem clueless, or he was trying to protect the players but the longer it went on people felt that he really was either clueless about the issues or that he wasn't genuine/authentic enough and people disassociated from him. His constant poor use of substitutes and odd tactics just sealed most people's opinion that he didn't know how to change it. |
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Post by dugnet on Jan 30, 2024 11:27:32 GMT 1
You make a fair point, however this next choice will surely determine the fate of those make the choices? If not that then the overall plan that those who have delegated responsibility for is open to fair scrutiny and criticism. I expect it will. Though Im not convinced Moore was the wrong choice...in that he probably wasnt if we hadnt then gone into an unprecedented injury situation he hasnt coped with very well.. If we'd just had 'normal' injuries and the one striker of any note warnock left Moore with had been fit ( ward ) then I doubt we'd be having these discussions now as we'd probably be much higher up the table. In hindsight we needed a manager who was good in a crisis and Moore wasnt it. Not sure who we could have appointed who'd have coped with the injuries we had that much better though. People will say warnock but would he? His points per game this season with this weak squad wasnt much better than Moores and that was before the injuries hit and put half of them out. There was absolutely mitigation and things that went against Moore but he certainly didn't help himself with his inability to adapt both in preparation for games (having a plan for different challenges) or within games (Plymouth being a glaring example). He wasn't adept at finding ways to win games. I do think NW, with his experience and personality, would have found a way to win games. Certainly to be better placed than we are at the moment (6-10 points better in my view). My concern now is that we need to stay in the Championship. The squad looks stronger now, although a ball playing midfielder would certainly help. The call that we had enough in the squad after NW's miracles this time last year are really at the heart of this issue. I suspect our immediate future might be determined by good fortune and I wonder if we might have used our luck in recent years. If it doesn't go well Mr Nagle will have to regroup and, properly, re-set. If I had an observation it would be that Mr Nagle has, probably unwittingly, continued with "more of the same" and we really do need a change. A change of approach and a change of mindset. I am not hopeful for the short term, longer term as long as Mr Nagle remains committed we might be able to move forward. As ever, time will be the judge. |
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Post by detox on Jan 30, 2024 12:16:41 GMT 1
Hang on, it was said he was the perfect fit for our future strategy...attacking football..but that seemed to be his weakest point. I get the injuries and lack of talent to some degree, but we never really saw any evidence of an attempt to structure the team and introduce tactical nouse to improve the situation. So how did we go from 'perfect fit' to immediately finding out he lacked the skills ?
A 'good' coach gets the best out of what he has, look at Warnock ..who got a tume out of a team that had floundered all season..
Ultimately is was a bad assessment , a flawed assessment...if indeed any real assessment was made by Catrwright and co. If I were KN i'd be asking how exactly did you assess this candidate and decide he was a perfect fit ?? It's obvious they need to review how they do this for the future otherwise we'll just end up with another flawed appointment.
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Post by ambryboy on Jan 30, 2024 12:35:01 GMT 1
'fraid so, there will be a club announcement a little later showing Darren Moore stepping out of the shower saying it was all just a dream. Darren does Dallas… Oo-er missus  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 30, 2024 12:40:49 GMT 1
How was it a bad or flawed assessment to appoint Moore? His track record at his 3 previous clubs was very good.
They didnt know he wouldn't be able to cope with a chronic injury situation but they didnt know we had a chronic injury situation coming round the corner.
Its just hindsight...if they'd have known they might have chosen someone else.
If we hadnt appointed him and he was still available now, he'd be right at the top end of the realistic options we have.
Whenever a manager is appointed at any club they call it a perfect fit..just the man they wanted ..etc etc.
In the vast majority of cases it turns out they were wrong. Just words they feel obliged to say.
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Jan 30, 2024 12:41:00 GMT 1
Question mate - one I don't know cos it was never an issue - can you see which posts have been autocorrected to "card" and which posts had "card" typed in by the poster? Yes we can see the original wording via a technique we have found Graeme. Townrwe referred using the C word and therefore the ban stands. I see you’re a follower of his…hope it’s for the laughs only old bean. 🤞🏼 I think I followed when as an admin to monitor him. Cheers for clarifying. |
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Post by runner76 on Jan 30, 2024 12:47:25 GMT 1
I expect it will. Though Im not convinced Moore was the wrong choice...in that he probably wasnt if we hadnt then gone into an unprecedented injury situation he hasnt coped with very well.. If we'd just had 'normal' injuries and the one striker of any note warnock left Moore with had been fit ( ward ) then I doubt we'd be having these discussions now as we'd probably be much higher up the table. In hindsight we needed a manager who was good in a crisis and Moore wasnt it. Not sure who we could have appointed who'd have coped with the injuries we had that much better though. People will say warnock but would he? His points per game this season with this weak squad wasnt much better than Moores and that was before the injuries hit and put half of them out. Well put. Good view. Moore's record was actually a good defensive record, unfortunately it was the attacking side that never got going. If I had felt that he was aware and trying to do something about it then I probably wouldn't have felt the need for change. However it never felt like he really knew what the issues were, his interviews made him seem clueless, or he was trying to protect the players but the longer it went on people felt that he really was either clueless about the issues or that he wasn't genuine/authentic enough and people disassociated from him. His constant poor use of substitutes and odd tactics just sealed most people's opinion that he didn't know how to change it. A good defensive record? The 3rd joint most goals conceded in the division this season? If that is good, what is a bad defensive record?..... |
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Post by Big Ern on Jan 30, 2024 13:23:02 GMT 1
Why do I feel as though we may see some players back on Saturday? Got a feeling a few were bombed out by Moore, including Burgzorg.
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Post by mallyb on Jan 30, 2024 13:26:39 GMT 1
How was it a bad or flawed assessment to appoint Moore? His track record at his 3 previous clubs was very good. They didnt know he wouldn't be able to cope with a chronic injury situation but they didnt know we had a chronic injury situation coming round the corner. Its just hindsight...if they'd have known they might have chosen someone else. If we hadnt appointed him and he was still available now, he'd be right at the top end of the realistic options we have. Whenever a manager is appointed at any club they call it a perfect fit..just the man they wanted ..etc etc. In the vast majority of cases it turns out they were wrong. Just words they feel obliged to say. It was a bad appointment because he had underperformed with the squad at his disposal at West Brom and Wednesday. He has always had a better squad than teams around him and that is never going to be us in the championship. It was a bad appointment because they hadn’t been able to bring in the players they wanted in the summer and Warnock was getting a tune out of squad we had. 8 points from 6 games in what many thought was an really difficult start to the season is better than 20 points from 23 games. Also better than 3 in 3 which we just achieved against really poor teams. You think warnock doesn’t get better results in the last 3 games if you like but Warnock found ways to get points with the squad players available. Players that many wrought off last year like Korom, Rudoni and Ruffles looked good in Warnocks system. Nothing to say he wouldn’t have done the same through the injury crisis or that we get the injury crisis with Neil in charge. At the time most thought the decision to get rid of Neil was petulance and a mistake. They have been proven right. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jan 30, 2024 13:35:01 GMT 1
Why do I feel as though we may see some players back on Saturday? Got a feeling a few were bombed out by Moore, including Burgzorg. Im not sure why you feel like that, although im told DW looks fit on the golf course. If that is the case then any sympathy i have for moore will disappear |
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Post by uptownfunk on Jan 30, 2024 13:40:33 GMT 1
datm just gets more and more hostile and toxic every year. Shh ! Especially after the utter bollocks you posted about Jack Grealish getting robbed 🙄 Porrohman who thinks people are employed by the club to work as spies on datm and that I was one of them. Was on this forum long before you ever were. Shall we dig out those posts you stupid twat? |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 30, 2024 13:43:51 GMT 1
How was it a bad or flawed assessment to appoint Moore? His track record at his 3 previous clubs was very good. They didnt know he wouldn't be able to cope with a chronic injury situation but they didnt know we had a chronic injury situation coming round the corner. Its just hindsight...if they'd have known they might have chosen someone else. If we hadnt appointed him and he was still available now, he'd be right at the top end of the realistic options we have. Whenever a manager is appointed at any club they call it a perfect fit..just the man they wanted ..etc etc. In the vast majority of cases it turns out they were wrong. Just words they feel obliged to say. Presumably because the reason they gave for his appointment was the very opposite to how his teams have always played 🤷. Even the lass on Sky, on Sunday, said about it. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 30, 2024 13:44:57 GMT 1
Yes we can see the original wording via a technique we have found Graeme. Townrwe referred using the C word and therefore the ban stands. I see you’re a follower of his…hope it’s for the laughs only old bean. 🤞🏼 I think I followed when as an admin to monitor him. Cheers for clarifying. You're not the obvious choice for an undercover stalker, mate 😁 |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Jan 30, 2024 13:45:53 GMT 1
Shh ! Especially after the utter bollocks you posted about Jack Grealish getting robbed 🙄 Porrohman who thinks people are employed by the club to work as spies on datm and that I was one of them. Was on this forum long before you ever were. Shall we dig out those posts you stupid twat? you ok there flower? |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 30, 2024 13:47:29 GMT 1
Shh ! Especially after the utter bollocks you posted about Jack Grealish getting robbed 🙄 Porrohman who thinks people are employed by the club to work as spies on datm and that I was one of them. Was on this forum long before you ever were. Shall we dig out those posts you stupid twat? Weren't you crying about how toxic it is on here, buttercup 🤣🤣🤣. |
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Post by rockwall on Jan 30, 2024 13:47:33 GMT 1
Yes we can see the original wording via a technique we have found Graeme. Townrwe referred using the C word and therefore the ban stands. I see you’re a follower of his…hope it’s for the laughs only old bean. 🤞🏼 I think I followed when as an admin to monitor him. Cheers for clarifying. Stupid question probably. But what is the point of the following option. I follow a few posters, but there is no difference at all for me to what I see or get notified about than someone I do not follow. |
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Post by rockwall on Jan 30, 2024 13:48:55 GMT 1
Shh ! Especially after the utter bollocks you posted about Jack Grealish getting robbed 🙄 Porrohman who thinks people are employed by the club to work as spies on datm and that I was one of them. Was on this forum long before you ever were. Shall we dig out those posts you stupid twat? Registered November 2023..... Dig them out. All 64 of them. |
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Post by goldfish on Jan 30, 2024 18:30:54 GMT 1
How was it a bad or flawed assessment to appoint Moore? His track record at his 3 previous clubs was very good. They didnt know he wouldn't be able to cope with a chronic injury situation but they didnt know we had a chronic injury situation coming round the corner. Its just hindsight...if they'd have known they might have chosen someone else. If we hadnt appointed him and he was still available now, he'd be right at the top end of the realistic options we have. Whenever a manager is appointed at any club they call it a perfect fit..just the man they wanted ..etc etc. In the vast majority of cases it turns out they were wrong. Just words they feel obliged to say. hope link works See this he gets it, we were promised attacking football, they said he played attacking football, he was our man. HE Darren Moore, Doesn’t play attacking football it wasn't a flawed assessment i don't think one was done at all. oh look what he did at other clubs. Great but that's not what we in terms of style were after or promised so what assessment was done? Not sure on this bit but, were all the injuries done on the field of play? if not what are they doing in training to amass this amount of injuries? |
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Post by Wingman on Jan 30, 2024 18:35:34 GMT 1
Yes we can see the original wording via a technique we have found Graeme. Townrwe referred using the C word and therefore the ban stands. I see you’re a follower of his…hope it’s for the laughs only old bean. 🤞🏼 I think I followed when as an admin to monitor him. Cheers for clarifying. No problem. No need for us to monitor him, he springs up too often on his own volition.  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 30, 2024 18:53:43 GMT 1
How was it a bad or flawed assessment to appoint Moore? His track record at his 3 previous clubs was very good. They didnt know he wouldn't be able to cope with a chronic injury situation but they didnt know we had a chronic injury situation coming round the corner. Its just hindsight...if they'd have known they might have chosen someone else. If we hadnt appointed him and he was still available now, he'd be right at the top end of the realistic options we have. Whenever a manager is appointed at any club they call it a perfect fit..just the man they wanted ..etc etc. In the vast majority of cases it turns out they were wrong. Just words they feel obliged to say. It was a bad appointment because he had underperformed with the squad at his disposal at West Brom and Wednesday. He has always had a better squad than teams around him and that is never going to be us in the championship. It was a bad appointment because they hadn’t been able to bring in the players they wanted in the summer and Warnock was getting a tune out of squad we had. 8 points from 6 games in what many thought was an really difficult start to the season is better than 20 points from 23 games. Also better than 3 in 3 which we just achieved against really poor teams. You think warnock doesn’t get better results in the last 3 games if you like but Warnock found ways to get points with the squad players available. Players that many wrought off last year like Korom, Rudoni and Ruffles looked good in Warnocks system. Nothing to say he wouldn’t have done the same through the injury crisis or that we get the injury crisis with Neil in charge. At the time most thought the decision to get rid of Neil was petulance and a mistake. They have been proven right. Warnock got 8 points from 7 games , not 6, a record boosted a lot by beating the worst side in the division at home in Rotherham. It is better than Moores record, but not by much, and Warnock didnt have anything remotely like the injury situation Moore had to contend with during the vast majority of his games, with half the weak, striker-light squad Warnock left him out injured at times. Warnock was barely doing any better with more or less a full squad so its some stretch to assume he'd continue at the same levels when half of it isnt available to him. Moore at WBA?? He won the manager of the month in the premier at a side rock bottom! Did they suddenly have a better squad than everyone around them. Then they sacked him the following season when they were 4th in the table. He underperformed at Wednesday?? Got them in the play offs, then next season they got 96 points FFS! Any other season they go up as champions. But he took then up in play offs anyway. How is getting a team promoted 'underperforming'? There was nothing is Moores track record to say it was a bad appointment and lots to say it was a good one. |
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 30, 2024 19:07:47 GMT 1
It was a bad appointment because he had underperformed with the squad at his disposal at West Brom and Wednesday. He has always had a better squad than teams around him and that is never going to be us in the championship. It was a bad appointment because they hadn’t been able to bring in the players they wanted in the summer and Warnock was getting a tune out of squad we had. 8 points from 6 games in what many thought was an really difficult start to the season is better than 20 points from 23 games. Also better than 3 in 3 which we just achieved against really poor teams. You think warnock doesn’t get better results in the last 3 games if you like but Warnock found ways to get points with the squad players available. Players that many wrought off last year like Korom, Rudoni and Ruffles looked good in Warnocks system. Nothing to say he wouldn’t have done the same through the injury crisis or that we get the injury crisis with Neil in charge. At the time most thought the decision to get rid of Neil was petulance and a mistake. They have been proven right. Warnock got 8 points from 7 games , not 6, a record boosted a lot by beating the worst side in the division at home in Rotherham. It is better than Moores record, but not by much, and Warnock didnt have anything remotely like the injury situation Moore had to contend with during the vast majority of his games, with half the weak, striker-light squad Warnock left him out injured at times. Warnock was barely doing any better with more or less a full squad so its some stretch to assume he'd continue at the same levels when half of it isnt available to him. Moore at WBA?? He won the manager of the month in the premier at a side rock bottom! Did they suddenly have a better squad than everyone around them. Then they sacked him the following season when they were 4th in the table. He underperformed at Wednesday?? Got them in the play offs, then next season they got 96 points FFS! Any other season they go up as champions. But he took then up in play offs anyway. How is getting a team promoted 'underperforming'? There was nothing is Moores track record to say it was a bad appointment and lots to say it was a good one. We’re a different proposition to all but a handful of teams at this level, we have been underinvested for a number of seasons meaning we have to overachieve as a club to stand still. The new ownership and DM overestimated the quality of the squad and underestimated the job NW had done last season in my opinion. |
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Post by Scott Chegg on Jan 30, 2024 21:21:15 GMT 1
Question mate - one I don't know cos it was never an issue - can you see which posts have been autocorrected to "card" and which posts had "card" typed in by the poster? Yes we can see the original wording via a technique we have found Graeme. Townrwe referred using the C word and therefore the ban stands. I see you’re a follower of his…hope it’s for the laughs only old bean. 🤞🏼 I'm surprised to see that. Particularly after I received a "yellow card" and ban last year for abusive posting after jokingly typing out "C-A-R-D-S" |
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