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Post by keithAM11532 on Jan 30, 2024 21:45:25 GMT 1
Yes we can see the original wording via a technique we have found Graeme. Townrwe referred using the C word and therefore the ban stands. I see you’re a follower of his…hope it’s for the laughs only old bean. 🤞🏼 I'm surprised to see that. Particularly after I received a "yellow card" and ban last year for abusive posting after jokingly typing out "C-A-R-D-S" Well that’s not quite accurate is it ODB. Its the context of what you typed before you got to cards 😉 |
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Post by Wingman on Jan 30, 2024 21:51:23 GMT 1
Yes we can see the original wording via a technique we have found Graeme. Townrwe referred using the C word and therefore the ban stands. I see you’re a follower of his…hope it’s for the laughs only old bean. 🤞🏼 I'm surprised to see that. Particularly after I received a "yellow card" and ban last year for abusive posting after jokingly typing out "C-A-R-D-S" In fairness, it’s something we learnt this year. So if we got the judgement wrong on you then I apologise fully, but Keith has a better memory than me so…😁I’m not afraid to admit when we make genuine errors. Going forwards we will know exactly who has typed what and so can sort the wheat from the chaff. |
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Post by Scott Chegg on Jan 30, 2024 22:15:20 GMT 1
I'm surprised to see that. Particularly after I received a "yellow card" and ban last year for abusive posting after jokingly typing out "C-A-R-D-S" In fairness, it’s something we learnt this year. So if we got yet the judgement wrong on you then I apologise fully, but Keith has a better memory than me so…😁I’m not afraid to admit when we make genuine errors. Going forwards we will know exactly who has typed what and so can sort the wheat from the chaff. Fair and balanced response, cheers Wingman. Perhaps a retrospective yellow card removal is required. Not sure who rattled Keith's cage but if he wishes to let me know which part of my post (all visible in my posting history) prior to typing "C-A-R-D-S" constituted abuse worthy of a ban, he can feel free to enlighten me by PM as it's not worth cluttering the board with any further. |
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Post by Fish & Chips on Jan 30, 2024 22:21:28 GMT 1
Hang on, it was said he was the perfect fit for our future strategy...attacking football..but that seemed to be his weakest point. I get the injuries and lack of talent to some degree, but we never really saw any evidence of an attempt to structure the team and introduce tactical nouse to improve the situation. So how did we go from 'perfect fit' to immediately finding out he lacked the skills ? A 'good' coach gets the best out of what he has, look at Warnock ..who got a tume out of a team that had floundered all season.. Ultimately is was a bad assessment , a flawed assessment...if indeed any real assessment was made by Catrwright and co. If I were KN i'd be asking how exactly did you assess this candidate and decide he was a perfect fit ?? It's obvious they need to review how they do this for the future otherwise we'll just end up with another flawed appointment. It’s obvious what happened in my opinion. Nagle got upset with Warnock and Cartwright told him not to worry because his old mate is available to take over. They’re all responsible for this shitshow and Moore was the ultimate fall guy. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 30, 2024 23:01:16 GMT 1
considering what an important tool good verbal communication skills are for what is a leadership position. I really hope our next manager can talk directly and concisely with conviction and without any waffling bullshit. All managers are guilty of it at times, but with Moore it was his only setting just about ALL the bloody time. And to anybody switched on, this could/should have been identified as an issue at the interview stage. He's gone. But dont confused his press conferences with the way he was on the training ground. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Jan 31, 2024 1:43:30 GMT 1
Hang on, it was said he was the perfect fit for our future strategy...attacking football..but that seemed to be his weakest point. I get the injuries and lack of talent to some degree, but we never really saw any evidence of an attempt to structure the team and introduce tactical nouse to improve the situation. So how did we go from 'perfect fit' to immediately finding out he lacked the skills ? A 'good' coach gets the best out of what he has, look at Warnock ..who got a tume out of a team that had floundered all season.. Ultimately is was a bad assessment , a flawed assessment...if indeed any real assessment was made by Catrwright and co. If I were KN i'd be asking how exactly did you assess this candidate and decide he was a perfect fit ?? It's obvious they need to review how they do this for the future otherwise we'll just end up with another flawed appointment. It’s obvious what happened in my opinion. Nagle got upset with Warnock and Cartwright told him not to worry because his old mate is available to take over. They’re all responsible for this shitshow and Moore was the ultimate fall guy. The first bit maybe. With regards to Moore he is just a terrible manager plain and simple. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2024 9:53:20 GMT 1
One of the reasons I stuck up for Darren Moore was my reaction to the constant need on here to blame someone for everything that goes wrong. The manager, a particular player, the ref and now the management team are being blamed for getting the appointment wrong when almost every club does similar. You look at someone’s past history and match it to the things you want from a manager, and it will be quite a broad brief.
Someone said on here, once the bandwagon was rolling, that Moore nearly missed promotion with the best squad in the division, even though the Championship table showed very different. He was constantly slagged off for his poor interview style when that is not why you hire a football manager.
Looking for scapegoats has become the norm with many posters, and I know me highlighting it won’t change that, but a bit more give and take and a bit more positivity, I think, would improve things all round.
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Post by Big Ern on Jan 31, 2024 10:14:03 GMT 1
One of the reasons I stuck up for Darren Moore was my reaction to the constant need on here to blame someone for everything that goes wrong. The manager, a particular player, the ref and now the management team are being blamed for getting the appointment wrong when almost every club does similar. You look at someone’s past history and match it to the things you want from a manager, and it will be quite a broad brief. Someone said on here, once the bandwagon was rolling, that Moore nearly missed promotion with the best squad in the division, even though the Championship table showed very different. He was constantly slagged off for his poor interview style when that is not why you hire a football manager. Looking for scapegoats has become the norm with many posters, and I know me highlighting it won’t change that, but a bit more give and take and a bit more positivity, I think, would improve things all round. Agree with this, you can literally see the usual posters sharpening their pitchforks for when the new manager is announced because it won't be the person THEY want. Parker- No Higginbottom- No Rowett- No Duff- No Cooper- No It's like some fans only enjoyment is to slag anyone and everything off all the time. Whomever is picked we should just get behind them FFS because this mood being created won't be good for any manager. |
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Post by BoothysGusset on Jan 31, 2024 10:28:07 GMT 1
Nice guy but fitted in like someone else's fart in a space suit. Just in over his head. The appointment dissapointed the majority of Town fans and he never recovered from that. Him and the board have made a difficult season even harder. Let's hope they learn from this.
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Post by boooothy on Jan 31, 2024 10:44:40 GMT 1
Nice guy but fitted in like someone else's fart in a space suit. Just in over his head. The appointment dissapointed the majority of Town fans and he never recovered from that. Him and the board have made a difficult season even harder. Let's hope they learn from this. Should have left Warnock in to get pumped by Leeds. Would have all been viewed very differently then. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Jan 31, 2024 11:54:56 GMT 1
One of the reasons I stuck up for Darren Moore was my reaction to the constant need on here to blame someone for everything that goes wrong. The manager, a particular player, the ref and now the management team are being blamed for getting the appointment wrong when almost every club does similar. You look at someone’s past history and match it to the things you want from a manager, and it will be quite a broad brief. Someone said on here, once the bandwagon was rolling, that Moore nearly missed promotion with the best squad in the division, even though the Championship table showed very different. He was constantly slagged off for his poor interview style when that is not why you hire a football manager. Looking for scapegoats has become the norm with many posters, and I know me highlighting it won’t change that, but a bit more give and take and a bit more positivity, I think, would improve things all round. Very well put.
Living and travelling abroad for a long time, I've increasingly noticed there's a certain level of unnecessary spite in this country these days, always putting people down, looking put blame on people, some even a bit of sadistic pleasure in seeing someone damned and suffering. We never used to be like this a few decades ago, I guess it's something to do with our gutter press rubbing off on people and shaping their attitudes over the long term.
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 31, 2024 12:04:08 GMT 1
One of the reasons I stuck up for Darren Moore was my reaction to the constant need on here to blame someone for everything that goes wrong. The manager, a particular player, the ref and now the management team are being blamed for getting the appointment wrong when almost every club does similar. You look at someone’s past history and match it to the things you want from a manager, and it will be quite a broad brief. Someone said on here, once the bandwagon was rolling, that Moore nearly missed promotion with the best squad in the division, even though the Championship table showed very different. He was constantly slagged off for his poor interview style when that is not why you hire a football manager. Looking for scapegoats has become the norm with many posters, and I know me highlighting it won’t change that, but a bit more give and take and a bit more positivity, I think, would improve things all round. Very well put.
Living and travelling abroad for a long time, I've increasingly noticed there's a certain level of unnecessary spite in this country these days, always putting people down, looking put blame on people, some even a bit of sadistic pleasure in seeing someone damned and suffering. We never used to be like this a few decades ago, I guess it's something to do with our gutter press rubbing off on people and shaping their attitudes over the long term.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 31, 2024 12:29:09 GMT 1
Warnock got 8 points from 7 games , not 6, a record boosted a lot by beating the worst side in the division at home in Rotherham. It is better than Moores record, but not by much, and Warnock didnt have anything remotely like the injury situation Moore had to contend with during the vast majority of his games, with half the weak, striker-light squad Warnock left him out injured at times. Warnock was barely doing any better with more or less a full squad so its some stretch to assume he'd continue at the same levels when half of it isnt available to him. Moore at WBA?? He won the manager of the month in the premier at a side rock bottom! Did they suddenly have a better squad than everyone around them. Then they sacked him the following season when they were 4th in the table. He underperformed at Wednesday?? Got them in the play offs, then next season they got 96 points FFS! Any other season they go up as champions. But he took then up in play offs anyway. How is getting a team promoted 'underperforming'? There was nothing is Moores track record to say it was a bad appointment and lots to say it was a good one. We’re a different proposition to all but a handful of teams at this level, we have been underinvested for a number of seasons meaning we have to overachieve as a club to stand still. The new ownership and DM overestimated the quality of the squad and underestimated the job NW had done last season in my opinion. How did Moore overestimate the quality of the squad? He had nothing to do with its strength or quality,, just had to try and use it as best he could in some challenging circumstances injury wise. You might be right about the ownership overestimating it after how last season ended...and perhaps warnock himself did going by the poor way it was strengthened this summer. The fact we went into the first half of the season with the continually out injured and inconsistent Ward as our only proven striker with Harrett and Hudlin as the only back ups was ridiculous, whoever was to blame for that. |
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Post by runner76 on Jan 31, 2024 12:48:03 GMT 1
One of the reasons I stuck up for Darren Moore was my reaction to the constant need on here to blame someone for everything that goes wrong. The manager, a particular player, the ref and now the management team are being blamed for getting the appointment wrong when almost every club does similar. You look at someone’s past history and match it to the things you want from a manager, and it will be quite a broad brief. Someone said on here, once the bandwagon was rolling, that Moore nearly missed promotion with the best squad in the division, even though the Championship table showed very different. He was constantly slagged off for his poor interview style when that is not why you hire a football manager. Looking for scapegoats has become the norm with many posters, and I know me highlighting it won’t change that, but a bit more give and take and a bit more positivity, I think, would improve things all round. Yep. Will not be long until there is an anti-new manager brigade whoever it is. |
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 31, 2024 12:48:55 GMT 1
We’re a different proposition to all but a handful of teams at this level, we have been underinvested for a number of seasons meaning we have to overachieve as a club to stand still. The new ownership and DM overestimated the quality of the squad and underestimated the job NW had done last season in my opinion. How did Moore overestimate the quality of the squad? He had nothing to do with its strength or quality,, just had to try and use it as best he could in some challenging circumstances injury wise. You might be right about the ownership overestimating it after how last season ended...and perhaps warnock himself did going by the poor way it was strengthened this summer. The fact we went into the first half of the season with the continually out injured and inconsistent Ward as our only proven striker with Harrett and Hudlin as the only back ups was ridiculous, whoever was to blame for that. I have a feeling DM thought we’d be an easier job than it turned out because he’s used to working with better squads at this level. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 31, 2024 14:21:41 GMT 1
Hang on, it was said he was the perfect fit for our future strategy...attacking football..but that seemed to be his weakest point. I get the injuries and lack of talent to some degree, but we never really saw any evidence of an attempt to structure the team and introduce tactical nouse to improve the situation. So how did we go from 'perfect fit' to immediately finding out he lacked the skills ? A 'good' coach gets the best out of what he has, look at Warnock ..who got a tume out of a team that had floundered all season.. Ultimately is was a bad assessment , a flawed assessment...if indeed any real assessment was made by Catrwright and co. If I were KN i'd be asking how exactly did you assess this candidate and decide he was a perfect fit ?? It's obvious they need to review how they do this for the future otherwise we'll just end up with another flawed appointment. It’s obvious what happened in my opinion. Nagle got upset with Warnock and Cartwright told him not to worry because his old mate is available to take over. They’re all responsible for this shitshow and Moore was the ultimate fall guy. I always preferred Lee Majors. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 31, 2024 14:26:37 GMT 1
How did Moore overestimate the quality of the squad? He had nothing to do with its strength or quality,, just had to try and use it as best he could in some challenging circumstances injury wise. You might be right about the ownership overestimating it after how last season ended...and perhaps warnock himself did going by the poor way it was strengthened this summer. The fact we went into the first half of the season with the continually out injured and inconsistent Ward as our only proven striker with Harrett and Hudlin as the only back ups was ridiculous, whoever was to blame for that. I have a feeling DM thought we’d be an easier job than it turned out because he’s used to working with better squads at this level. Sure he did, and to be fair it would have been but for the injury situation hes had to contend with. He didnt cope well with it, and we wont get to know now how he'd have done with a better squad with striker options. |
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Post by runner76 on Jan 31, 2024 14:27:55 GMT 1
I have a feeling DM thought we’d be an easier job than it turned out because he’s used to working with better squads at this level. Sure he did, and to be fair it would have been but for the injury situation hes had to contend with. He didnt cope well with it, and we wont get to know now how he'd have done with a better squad with striker options. But we will get to see what a new management team do with this team and see how much the lack of quality is in the squad or the management of the squad.......... |
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 31, 2024 14:46:16 GMT 1
How was it a bad or flawed assessment to appoint Moore? His track record at his 3 previous clubs was very good. They didnt know he wouldn't be able to cope with a chronic injury situation but they didnt know we had a chronic injury situation coming round the corner. Its just hindsight...if they'd have known they might have chosen someone else. If we hadnt appointed him and he was still available now, he'd be right at the top end of the realistic options we have. Whenever a manager is appointed at any club they call it a perfect fit..just the man they wanted ..etc etc. In the vast majority of cases it turns out they were wrong. Just words they feel obliged to say. hope link works See this he gets it, we were promised attacking football, they said he played attacking football, he was our man. HE Darren Moore, Doesn’t play attacking football it wasn't a flawed assessment i don't think one was done at all. oh look what he did at other clubs. Great but that's not what we in terms of style were after or promised so what assessment was done? Not sure on this bit but, were all the injuries done on the field of play? if not what are they doing in training to amass this amount of injuries? They all say they play attacking football in their interviews, don't they? I'm yet to hear any club say they're appointing a manager for their turgid, cautious, defensive style of play. I doubt it was a flawed assessment so much as a perfect storm of: * A new DoF underestimating how disillusioned the fan base had become with turgid football. * A takeover that didn't go through until most clubs had already made a start on their preparations for the season * A lot of deadwood to get rid of, but not much time to even assess what was needed to replace it, let alone actually bring in the replacements. Moore doesn't play attacking football. He just doesn't. Of course, defensive, turgid, cautious football might be effective sometimes (& it has been for him at previous clubs) but when you're playing unadventurous football & winning, people tend not to mind so much. To quote Messrs Chicken & Hartrick, there's a way to lose a football match. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 31, 2024 16:07:37 GMT 1
Difficult to play attacking football when you dont have any strikers though.
Think just about any manager when faced with a situation where pretty much every senior player who's fit will be starting the game with plenty playing out of position and none of them being strikers, would take a pragmatic approach and be a bit defensive until the situation improved.
Last season his Wednesday team were 3rd highest scorers in that division on their way to 96 points. Not bad for a manager who just doesnt play attacking football.
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 31, 2024 18:18:41 GMT 1
It was a bad appointment because he had underperformed with the squad at his disposal at West Brom and Wednesday. He has always had a better squad than teams around him and that is never going to be us in the championship. It was a bad appointment because they hadn’t been able to bring in the players they wanted in the summer and Warnock was getting a tune out of squad we had. 8 points from 6 games in what many thought was an really difficult start to the season is better than 20 points from 23 games. Also better than 3 in 3 which we just achieved against really poor teams. You think warnock doesn’t get better results in the last 3 games if you like but Warnock found ways to get points with the squad players available. Players that many wrought off last year like Korom, Rudoni and Ruffles looked good in Warnocks system. Nothing to say he wouldn’t have done the same through the injury crisis or that we get the injury crisis with Neil in charge. At the time most thought the decision to get rid of Neil was petulance and a mistake. They have been proven right. Warnock got 8 points from 7 games , not 6, a record boosted a lot by beating the worst side in the division at home in Rotherham.It is better than Moores record, but not by much, and Warnock didnt have anything remotely like the injury situation Moore had to contend with during the vast majority of his games, with half the weak, striker-light squad Warnock left him out injured at times. Warnock was barely doing any better with more or less a full squad so its some stretch to assume he'd continue at the same levels when half of it isnt available to him. Moore at WBA?? He won the manager of the month in the premier at a side rock bottom! Did they suddenly have a better squad than everyone around them. Then they sacked him the following season when they were 4th in the table. He underperformed at Wednesday?? Got them in the play offs, then next season they got 96 points FFS! Any other season they go up as champions. But he took then up in play offs anyway. How is getting a team promoted 'underperforming'? There was nothing is Moores track record to say it was a bad appointment and lots to say it was a good one. Worth noting though, that when we played Sheff Weds they had just 2 points from 10 games. We gave them their 3rd point of the season. Rotherham weren't even in the bottom 3 at the time we played them. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Jan 31, 2024 18:54:22 GMT 1
I have a feeling DM thought we’d be an easier job than it turned out because he’s used to working with better squads at this level. Sure he did, and to be fair it would have been but for the injury situation hes had to contend with. He didnt cope well with it, and we wont get to know now how he'd have done with a better squad with striker options. Thank god! |
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Post by Fish & Chips on Jan 31, 2024 22:20:50 GMT 1
It’s obvious what happened in my opinion. Nagle got upset with Warnock and Cartwright told him not to worry because his old mate is available to take over. They’re all responsible for this shitshow and Moore was the ultimate fall guy. I always preferred Lee Majors. Even 40 years later Darren Moore isn’t the $6 million man! Perhaps a million at best. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jan 31, 2024 22:58:55 GMT 1
It’s obvious what happened in my opinion. Nagle got upset with Warnock and Cartwright told him not to worry because his old mate is available to take over. They’re all responsible for this shitshow and Moore was the ultimate fall guy. I always preferred Lee Majors. No. Jody Banks surely. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Feb 1, 2024 8:43:02 GMT 1
Leon Wobschall in today's Yorkshire Post.
Comment: Whether Darren Moore deserved to be sacked by Huddersfield Town or not, he did not deserve the online criticism he received from some supporters.
Who cannot fail to have been moved by the recent footage of a young Sheffield Wednesday fan presenting a hamper of sweets he had bought with his Christmas money to Coventry City Kasey Palmer, victim of some heinous racial abuse in a league game at Hillsborough earlier this month, for instance. Unfortunately, there’s another bleaker side to interactive technology. Instead of delighting in human behaviour, it increasingly provokes emotions which also demean, disrespect and destroy, in some cases.
Darren Moore’s tenure at Huddersfield Town ended on Monday. It was not a particular shock, in truth. It was the prerogative of the Championship club after a return of just three wins in 23 matches. Some - including this reporter - felt that Moore deserved a bit longer with new signings still bedding in and players gradually returning from a treatment room which was packed not so long back. But in many respects, that’s by the by, Huddersfield were well within their rights to make that call, whether people agreed with it or not.
When looking specifically about how Moore’s tough time in West Yorkshire unravelled quickly, it is impossible not to mention Kevin Nagle as well. To his credit, Nagle is a club custodian who engages frequently with the club’s fanbase on all aspects of Huddersfield Town and sees it as a fundamental part of his role and remit. Many view it as refreshing. But sometimes there’s a time and place and less is more. Certainly when managers are under severe pressure.
The Terriers’ heart-on-sleeve chairman has shown no reluctance to convey his thoughts on ‘X’ about Town’s performances since taking over and Moore has been in the line of fire of late. There is no suggestion whatsoever that any criticism has been personal and toxic. But given what Moore was clearly up against of late - he has been around the block in football and is a big boy and knew the score given Town’s recent predicament - were some of Nagle's recent comments really helpful or necessary?
Pressure was loaded against Moore ahead of Sunday’s six-pointer at relegation rivals QPR, publicly labelled as a ‘must-win’ game by the Town supremo.
It’s one that Town very nearly did win, only for the hosts to cruelly grab a somewhat fortuitous stoppage-time equaliser. It was a crushing - and ultimately fatal - blow for Moore and his coaching team. Words did not need to really be said, in truth. As is his wont, Nagle went onto tweet in the game’s aftermath. A post read: "What a disappointing ending!!! That was tough to watch the last 5 minutes. Players battled. We should have won again instead hanging on for a draw after dominating much of the match.”
Even at the end, when a manager and his coaching team were likely to have been down on the floor - not to mention the players as well, no doubt - there was more thinly-veined criticism. It lacked a touch of class, especially towards Moore, given the week he’d had. And what was coming.
Social media. Sometimes joyous, but increasingly cutting. Best to think twice, sometimes.
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Post by Ibiza Town on Feb 1, 2024 9:14:03 GMT 1
One of the reasons I stuck up for Darren Moore was my reaction to the constant need on here to blame someone for everything that goes wrong. The manager, a particular player, the ref and now the management team are being blamed for getting the appointment wrong when almost every club does similar. You look at someone’s past history and match it to the things you want from a manager, and it will be quite a broad brief. Someone said on here, once the bandwagon was rolling, that Moore nearly missed promotion with the best squad in the division, even though the Championship table showed very different. He was constantly slagged off for his poor interview style when that is not why you hire a football manager. Looking for scapegoats has become the norm with many posters, and I know me highlighting it won’t change that, but a bit more give and take and a bit more positivity, I think, would improve things all round. Very well put.
Living and travelling abroad for a long time, I've increasingly noticed there's a certain level of unnecessary spite in this country these days, always putting people down, looking put blame on people, some even a bit of sadistic pleasure in seeing someone damned and suffering. We never used to be like this a few decades ago, I guess it's something to do with our gutter press rubbing off on people and shaping their attitudes over the long term.
Not so sure about that Alpine. I left for the states in the early eighties , after a torrid seventies , this place was a shit hole, cynical and far more violent. The vocal miserable will always make more noise than the majority, but on the whole it’s not as bad as it was. Back to DM - As for the poster who wasn’t happy with scapegoating, I have to agree, but watching the football of DM I really don’t think he has what it takes to be a manager in the Champ. Let’s see what happens In the future. I wish him well |
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Post by King Neil on Feb 1, 2024 9:24:50 GMT 1
Let's not have to much sympathy for him eh
(Personally I have non for him)
He's just worked 5 Months and now has a wage for the next 2 and a half years if he chooses to take a break
Had he been more adventurous in those 23 games then he may still be in a job...its a results business and his results were 💩
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Feb 1, 2024 9:25:33 GMT 1
Very well put.
Living and travelling abroad for a long time, I've increasingly noticed there's a certain level of unnecessary spite in this country these days, always putting people down, looking put blame on people, some even a bit of sadistic pleasure in seeing someone damned and suffering. We never used to be like this a few decades ago, I guess it's something to do with our gutter press rubbing off on people and shaping their attitudes over the long term.
Not so sure about that Alpine. I left for the states in the early eighties , after a torrid seventies , this place was a shit hole, cynical and far more violent. The vocal miserable will always make more noise than the majority, but on the whole it’s not as bad as it was. Back to DM - As for the poster who wasn’t happy with scapegoating, I have to agree, but watching the football of DM I really don’t think he has what it takes to be a manager in the Champ. Let’s see what happens In the future. I wish him well The difference being in the 70’s it was physical violence. Generally with adults. Today it’s a different type of violence. Im still unsure if these type of people who constantly troll and post disgusting comments are putting on an online guise that isn’t the real person or if, actually, that is who they really are and their day to day persona is actually the disguise. |
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