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Post by King Neil on Feb 1, 2024 15:27:32 GMT 1
Well if anyone is implying a racial element to his dismissal..then surely he wouldn't have got the job in the first place!
He got 8 more games than Rooney got at Birmingham
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Post by westislandterrier on Feb 1, 2024 15:57:52 GMT 1
I see Carlton 'pin head' Palmer has piped up saying we were wrong to sack Moore. What the fuck does he know? 🤔 If his piping’s as bad as his football analysis about Town then even me that loves the pipes ain’t listening... 😬 He never played for Town and his managerial career simply does not and cannot give him any kudos to comment on anyone else’s or the appointment of anyone else’s - Palm off Palmer’s ascertation is my humble opinion on this one ! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 1, 2024 16:30:34 GMT 1
Coberan showed in the first half of his first season that he could get results, learned from his mistakes and just as importantly gave the players belief in themselves and his methods. We saw the benefits of that in the play-off season. Moore on the other hand never showed any ability to get the best out what was in all fairness to him a weakened squad, but despite him claiming the squad was improving, to me they looked more and more lost every week. IMO the squad had gone backwards since Moore took over. In Nagles defence just how much longer could he leave it, Moore had had three games against weak opposition and could not manage one win. Okay its the players on the pitch but his team selections and subs left a lot to be desired and I place the blame firmly on him. Leaving him one more game to mess up was not an option. He was given a fair crack of the whip and he failed miserably, end of story As to Nagles comments on social media, its simply the way its done in the USA. Managers and players are being paid a lot of money and should be able to take criticism in their stride. I don’t think Nagle would bat an eyelid that Warnock hit back earlier in the season, I suspect he would rather like the fact that Warnock was no ones yes man. Personally I have nothing against Moore as a bloke he seems to be a nice guy, I just don’t want him managing my team. Dont see it as being relevant what corboran did when he had a full squad to pick from if we're comparing the two. When he didnt in the 2nd half of that 20/21 season he was no better than Moores been,,,and Moore's injury crisis has been considerably worse than what Corboran was dealing with. How was Moore given a 'fair crack of the whip' when hes been selecting from as little as 11 fit senior players at times and didnt have a single striker of any note throughout? Thats not a fair crack of the whip or anything remotely like it. Hes been firefighting throughout really due to injuries and a poor squad. When he did have something resembling a decent squad with strikers to select from we got two creditable away draws, which but for a howling miss by Rudoni and a 95th minute equaliser off someones knees, would have been 2 away wins. I know Im swimming against the tide here, but to me its a bizarre decision at this time, when weve just given him the tools to actually do the job and hes started out reasonably well with them. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 1, 2024 16:32:14 GMT 1
Well if anyone is implying a racial element to his dismissal..then surely he wouldn't have got the job in the first place! He got 8 more games than Rooney got at Birmingham Seems to be something thats implied somewhere or other every time a black manager loses their job. |
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Post by King Neil on Feb 1, 2024 16:56:15 GMT 1
Well if anyone is implying a racial element to his dismissal..then surely he wouldn't have got the job in the first place! He got 8 more games than Rooney got at Birmingham Seems to be something thats implied somewhere or other every time a black manager loses their job. Yes indeed Kev had some kind words for him on that tweet/vlog I think if the drop in tv revenue that comes with relegation wasn't so big then he might have gambled a little longer |
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Post by crux on Feb 1, 2024 16:59:12 GMT 1
Coberan showed in the first half of his first season that he could get results, learned from his mistakes and just as importantly gave the players belief in themselves and his methods. We saw the benefits of that in the play-off season. Moore on the other hand never showed any ability to get the best out what was in all fairness to him a weakened squad, but despite him claiming the squad was improving, to me they looked more and more lost every week. IMO the squad had gone backwards since Moore took over. In Nagles defence just how much longer could he leave it, Moore had had three games against weak opposition and could not manage one win. Okay its the players on the pitch but his team selections and subs left a lot to be desired and I place the blame firmly on him. Leaving him one more game to mess up was not an option. He was given a fair crack of the whip and he failed miserably, end of story As to Nagles comments on social media, its simply the way its done in the USA. Managers and players are being paid a lot of money and should be able to take criticism in their stride. I don’t think Nagle would bat an eyelid that Warnock hit back earlier in the season, I suspect he would rather like the fact that Warnock was no ones yes man. Personally I have nothing against Moore as a bloke he seems to be a nice guy, I just don’t want him managing my team. Dont see it as being relevant what corboran did when he had a full squad to pick from if we're comparing the two. When he didnt in the 2nd half of that 20/21 season he was no better than Moores been,,,and Moore's injury crisis has been considerably worse than what Corboran was dealing with. How was Moore given a 'fair crack of the whip' when hes been selecting from as little as 11 fit senior players at times and didnt have a single striker of any note throughout? Thats not a fair crack of the whip or anything remotely like it. Hes been firefighting throughout really due to injuries and a poor squad. When he did have something resembling a decent squad with strikers to select from we got two creditable away draws, which but for a howling miss by Rudoni and a 95th minute equaliser off someones knees, would have been 2 away wins. I know Im swimming against the tide here, but to me its a bizarre decision at this time, when weve just given him the tools to actually do the job and hes started out reasonably well with them. Sorry, but Moore should have gone after the Preston home game in December. His team selection was awful. The decisions to select Koroma at left wing back and no left footed players on the pitch, with Headley and Nakayama on the bench were ludicrous. For that game he did have two 'strikers' available in Ward and Burgzorg. He also had the players available to play 4-2-3-1 instead of 3-5-2/5-3-2, but chose not to. His preference is to only have wing backs as wide players and it is a system that is easy to exploit. |
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Feb 1, 2024 17:41:08 GMT 1
Slapps, why are you on a massive defence of Darren Moore? Have you been at games with your eyes closed recently (quite plausible to be fair) or do you just enjoy going against the grain for sake of debate?
The guy did have many injuries to contend with but name me one thing he did here that made you think the club might have been on to something with him in charge. Just one!
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Feb 1, 2024 17:46:31 GMT 1
Weren't you crying about how toxic it is on here, buttercup 🤣🤣🤣. I couldn’t give a shiny shite about datm lad.. Lot of folks agreeing with me though..just you and the ‘comedian’ getting defensive. Sounds like you’re in Dean Hoyle’s noisy minority -… ooh no! how could I possibly know that when I work for Kevin Nagle’s band of datm infiltrators. If you hang fire - your second brain cell will be along in a minute and you might a get a new thought.. are you ok there? seriously od behaviour fromsomeone who's been on here for less than 3 months with such a low post count - what have I ever done to get dragged into your flirting with Porroh? |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Feb 1, 2024 17:50:16 GMT 1
Well if anyone is implying a racial element to his dismissal..then surely he wouldn't have got the job in the first place! He got 8 more games than Rooney got at Birmingham Seems to be something thats implied somewhere or other every time a black manager loses their job. I actually agree with you here. And these lazy bits of journalism help nobody. I do believe there is an issue with black managers getting jobs, but I don't believe they get less time in post or harsher treatment once there. To suggest that Moore has been treated differently because of his race is ridiculous. I'm seen as one of the more woke folk on here and I've wanted him gone since before Christmas |
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Post by Mastercracker on Feb 1, 2024 17:50:38 GMT 1
I couldn’t give a shiny shite about datm lad.. Lot of folks agreeing with me though..just you and the ‘comedian’ getting defensive. Sounds like you’re in Dean Hoyle’s noisy minority -… ooh no! how could I possibly know that when I work for Kevin Nagle’s band of datm infiltrators. If you hang fire - your second brain cell will be along in a minute and you might a get a new thought.. are you ok there? seriously od behaviour fromsomeone who's been on here for less than 3 months with such a low post count - what have I ever done to get dragged into your flirting with Porroh? Seen some stuff on here but never seen someone quote and then have a different pop at the same post twice  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 1, 2024 18:01:01 GMT 1
Dont see it as being relevant what corboran did when he had a full squad to pick from if we're comparing the two. When he didnt in the 2nd half of that 20/21 season he was no better than Moores been,,,and Moore's injury crisis has been considerably worse than what Corboran was dealing with. How was Moore given a 'fair crack of the whip' when hes been selecting from as little as 11 fit senior players at times and didnt have a single striker of any note throughout? Thats not a fair crack of the whip or anything remotely like it. Hes been firefighting throughout really due to injuries and a poor squad. When he did have something resembling a decent squad with strikers to select from we got two creditable away draws, which but for a howling miss by Rudoni and a 95th minute equaliser off someones knees, would have been 2 away wins. I know Im swimming against the tide here, but to me its a bizarre decision at this time, when weve just given him the tools to actually do the job and hes started out reasonably well with them. Sorry, but Moore should have gone after the Preston home game in December. His team selection was awful. The decisions to select Koroma at left wing back and no left footed players on the pitch, with Headley and Nakayama on the bench were ludicrous. For that game he did have two 'strikers' available in Ward and Burgzorg. He also had the players available to play 4-2-3-1 instead of 3-5-2/5-3-2, but chose not to. His preference is to only have wing backs as wide players and it is a system that is easy to exploit. Burgzorg isnt a striker, hes a wide player isnt he, who can fill in if needs be up top. If you're not going to give him a chance with a proper squad anyway , then sacking him at that time would have made more sense than sacking him now.. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 1, 2024 18:11:03 GMT 1
Slapps, why are you on a massive defence of Darren Moore? Have you been at games with your eyes closed recently (quite plausible to be fair) or do you just enjoy going against the grain for sake of debate? The guy did have many injuries to contend with but name me one thing he did here that made you think the club might have been on to something with him in charge. Just one! Im not saying hes been any good. He clearly hasnt at all and hes struggled badly with the poor hand he was dealt. He'd say, with some justification, that hes actually done well to keep us up out of the bottom 3 with such an injury wrecked, already feeble squad. But the reasons why he was given the job ( his previous record ) are still applicable a few months later surely, so it just seems bizarre to me that they would wait until he's finally got a decent squad and striker options ..and then sack him. Like having a dog that keeps shitting in your house and chewing up your furniture, then as soon as you've trained it to not do that, getting rid of it for a different dog. To me its not soo much about defending Moore, but learning from the mistake we would have made by sacking Corboran when he struggled ion the exact same way. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Feb 1, 2024 18:17:39 GMT 1
Would you have been saying 'thank god' had we sacked Corboran at the end of 20/21 after his dismal run of 3 wins in 24 games and didnt back him to see what he would do once we'd given him a much stronger squad? Many would have been, me included, and how wrong wed have been. Moore, like Corboran, showed he wasnt very good at all in a bad injury crisis...learning from the Corboran situation, Id have liked to see what he'd do with a proper squad to select from as his previous record showed it could be very good. He only had it for 2 games ( proper striker options) and we should really have had 2 excellent away wins from them, so the early signs were actually good. Looks as though plenty people answered this before I had chance. To put it simply, there were signs with Carlos. There was next to nothing with Moore. |
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Post by goodbet on Feb 1, 2024 18:35:22 GMT 1
Slapps, why are you on a massive defence of Darren Moore? Have you been at games with your eyes closed recently (quite plausible to be fair) or do you just enjoy going against the grain for sake of debate? The guy did have many injuries to contend with but name me one thing he did here that made you think the club might have been on to something with him in charge. Just one! Im not saying hes been any good. He clearly hasnt at all and hes struggled badly with the poor hand he was dealt. He'd say, with some justification, that hes actually done well to keep us up out of the bottom 3 with such an injury wrecked, already feeble squad. But the reasons why he was given the job ( his previous record ) are still applicable a few months later surely, so it just seems bizarre to me that they would wait until he's finally got a decent squad and striker options ..and then sack him. Like having a dog that keeps shitting in your house and chewing up your furniture, then as soon as you've trained it to not do that, getting rid of it for a different dog. To me its not soo much about defending Moore, but learning from the mistake we would have made by sacking Corboran when he struggled ion the exact same way. The problem I see is that the dog we had was still chewing up the furniture and and still had no idea of tactics or when to use substitutes. He may not be shitting in corners but he can't help putting players in the out of position. I think that he was given far too long and the only reason that I can fathom for that was that KN's two little helpers nailed their colours so firmly to the DM flag it left then nowhere to go. It took KN to come over and see what a state we were in and made the decision for them. |
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Post by Sio on Feb 1, 2024 19:15:43 GMT 1
Slapps, why are you on a massive defence of Darren Moore? Have you been at games with your eyes closed recently (quite plausible to be fair) or do you just enjoy going against the grain for sake of debate? The guy did have many injuries to contend with but name me one thing he did here that made you think the club might have been on to something with him in charge. Just one! Im not saying hes been any good. He clearly hasnt at all and hes struggled badly with the poor hand he was dealt. He'd say, with some justification, that hes actually done well to keep us up out of the bottom 3 with such an injury wrecked, already feeble squad. But the reasons why he was given the job ( his previous record ) are still applicable a few months later surely, so it just seems bizarre to me that they would wait until he's finally got a decent squad and striker options ..and then sack him. Like having a dog that keeps shitting in your house and chewing up your furniture, then as soon as you've trained it to not do that, getting rid of it for a different dog. To me its not soo much about defending Moore, but learning from the mistake we would have made by sacking Corboran when he struggled ion the exact same way.It's such a different scenario though, this is why your argument fails to stand up. Moore showed nothing in terms of tactical understanding or development. In fact, any time we had a brief period of looking half decent, we seemed to regress almost immediately for weeks on end. As said countless times, Carlos showed that he was a good coach from day 1, had references and had worked closely with some of the best in the game, and was clearly still maturing into management. If Moore - a relatively experienced manager at this point - couldn't show something in 25 games, that wasn't going to change with the addition of a couple of strikers. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 1, 2024 19:16:57 GMT 1
Sorry, but Moore should have gone after the Preston home game in December. His team selection was awful. The decisions to select Koroma at left wing back and no left footed players on the pitch, with Headley and Nakayama on the bench were ludicrous. For that game he did have two 'strikers' available in Ward and Burgzorg. He also had the players available to play 4-2-3-1 instead of 3-5-2/5-3-2, but chose not to. His preference is to only have wing backs as wide players and it is a system that is easy to exploit. Burgzorg isnt a striker, hes a wide player isnt he, who can fill in if needs be up top. If you're not going to give him a chance with a proper squad anyway , then sacking him at that time would have made more sense than sacking him now.. He spent all of January playing 2 wingers up front as a pair then when he's given 2 strikers he played 1 on the wing 🤷 |
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Post by space hardware on Feb 1, 2024 20:02:50 GMT 1
Burgzorg isnt a striker, hes a wide player isnt he, who can fill in if needs be up top. If you're not going to give him a chance with a proper squad anyway , then sacking him at that time would have made more sense than sacking him now.. He spent all of January playing 2 wingers up front as a pair then when he's given 2 strikers he played 1 on the wing 🤷 It's where the "he needs to be given time with a full squad" argument falls down. |
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Post by Ross83 on Feb 1, 2024 20:28:25 GMT 1
I see Carlton 'pin head' Palmer has piped up saying we were wrong to sack Moore. What the fuck does he know? 🤔 Any short reign managers get protected by ex players. If Carlton would like to watch all Moore's games and scan over the stats and win rate, he should have a different opinion. That should be a torture reserved for only the most heinous crime! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 1, 2024 23:57:53 GMT 1
Im not saying hes been any good. He clearly hasnt at all and hes struggled badly with the poor hand he was dealt. He'd say, with some justification, that hes actually done well to keep us up out of the bottom 3 with such an injury wrecked, already feeble squad. But the reasons why he was given the job ( his previous record ) are still applicable a few months later surely, so it just seems bizarre to me that they would wait until he's finally got a decent squad and striker options ..and then sack him. Like having a dog that keeps shitting in your house and chewing up your furniture, then as soon as you've trained it to not do that, getting rid of it for a different dog. To me its not soo much about defending Moore, but learning from the mistake we would have made by sacking Corboran when he struggled ion the exact same way.It's such a different scenario though, this is why your argument fails to stand up. Moore showed nothing in terms of tactical understanding or development. In fact, any time we had a brief period of looking half decent, we seemed to regress almost immediately for weeks on end. As said countless times, Carlos showed that he was a good coach from day 1, had references and had worked closely with some of the best in the game, and was clearly still maturing into management. If Moore - a relatively experienced manager at this point - couldn't show something in 25 games, that wasn't going to change with the addition of a couple of strikers. Again though youre comparing chalk and cheese...thats why its a different scenario. Youre taking Corboran with a full squad including Koroma who suddenly looked like the Lionel Messi of the championship,,,and taking Moore with a decimated squad down to 11 senior players at times and without a striker of any note...and telling me only Corboran showed signs he was a good manager?? When corboran DIDNT have that after Christmas that season..ie when he had something approaching what Moores had to contend with.. he didnt show he was a good coach then....he looked pretty clueless and the side slumped so much we almost went down in the end. If youre going to compare them..do it when they both had an injury crisis to contend with, not when one did and one didnt. Carlos's references and working with Bielsa?? I dont think that comes close to Moores previous record if youre looking for something to hang your hat on? Even now Carlos's CV isnt as good as Moore's. We added a couple of strikers and got 2 creditable away draws that really should have been 6 points..so if anything the signs were positive. |
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Post by Sio on Feb 2, 2024 0:22:21 GMT 1
It's such a different scenario though, this is why your argument fails to stand up. Moore showed nothing in terms of tactical understanding or development. In fact, any time we had a brief period of looking half decent, we seemed to regress almost immediately for weeks on end. As said countless times, Carlos showed that he was a good coach from day 1, had references and had worked closely with some of the best in the game, and was clearly still maturing into management. If Moore - a relatively experienced manager at this point - couldn't show something in 25 games, that wasn't going to change with the addition of a couple of strikers. Again though youre comparing chalk and cheese...thats why its a different scenario. Youre taking Corboran with a full squad including Koroma who suddenly looked like the Lionel Messi of the championship,,,and taking Moore with a decimated squad down to 11 senior players at times and without a striker of any note...and telling me only Corboran showed signs he was a good manager?? When corboran DIDNT have that after Christmas that season..ie when he had something approaching what Moores had to contend with.. he didnt show he was a good coach then....he looked pretty clueless and the side slumped so much we almost went down in the end. If youre going to compare them..do it when they both had an injury crisis to contend with, not when one did and one didnt. Carlos's references and working with Bielsa?? I dont think that comes close to Moores previous record if youre looking for something to hang your hat on? Even now Carlos's CV isnt as good as Moore's. We added a couple of strikers and got 2 creditable away draws that really should have been 6 points..so if anything the signs were positive. Sorry Slapps but you're convincing no-one other than yourself on this. They're in totally different leagues as managers and that's all you need to know. Any hypothesising over DM and his injury-ridden squad isn't going to defend him. He showed nothing resembling a tactically capable manager, Carlos did. That's why one was fired and the other wasn't. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 2, 2024 10:16:19 GMT 1
Ok, if you've all decided Carlos was showing what a tactically capable manager he was when we won 3 in 24 and dropped down the table like a stone during HIS ( less severe) injury crisis, then youre right, Im not going to convince anyone.
Anyway, whats done is done, so we move on.
We wont know what Moore would have done with a proper squad, so lets just hope the next gamble through our revolving door works out.
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Post by Next Manager coming soon on Feb 2, 2024 10:47:44 GMT 1
Those press conferences from both Worthy and Pearson show how much the players disagreed with how DM wanted them to play. For them to speak openly about it it most have been bad.
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Post by space hardware on Feb 2, 2024 11:00:28 GMT 1
Ok, if you've all decided Carlos was showing what a tactically capable manager he was when we won 3 in 24 and dropped down the table like a stone during HIS ( less severe) injury crisis, then youre right, Im not going to convince anyone. Anyway, whats done is done, so we move on. We wont know what Moore would have done with a proper squad, so lets just hope the next gamble through our revolving door works out. It's only a revolving door because of poor decisions. Not backing CC in the transfer market leading to him walking out Appointing Schofield Appointing Fotheringham Firing Warnock Appointing Moore All abysmal decisions. Hopefully the next one will be more considered and a better fit for us. |
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Post by krtek on Feb 2, 2024 11:19:57 GMT 1
it is such a refreshing change to only hear "in terms of" used once. Worthy was talking about the requirement for simple messaging to the players with clarity, so there is a coherent gameplan, is how he's going to do it. Which suggests Moore quite likely was as frustratingly bad at communicating whatever his bloody gameplan was to the players, as he was answering questions at the pressers.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 2, 2024 11:51:40 GMT 1
Matty Pearson sounded like he's happy Moore has gone in his presser. Very honest interview.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 2, 2024 12:54:16 GMT 1
Matty Pearson sounded like he's happy Moore has gone in his presser. Very honest interview. Hes one who hasnt been playing much even when fit, so he probably is. Thought Worthy's interview was excellent. Came across very well..enthused and confident. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 2, 2024 12:56:17 GMT 1
Matty Pearson sounded like he's happy Moore has gone in his presser. Very honest interview. Hes one who hasnt been playing much even when fit, so he probably is. Thought Worthy's interview was excellent. Came across very well..enthused and confident. Like his dad 😉 |
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Post by Sparrow on Feb 2, 2024 13:01:42 GMT 1
I had a brief chat with a current first team player the other day who I know. We were talking about the number of managers we'd had over the last few seasons, from Danny Cowley - Darren Moore. 6 permanent managers plus 2 caretakers. I asked him who he thought was the best and who he thought was the worst. Without hesitation the best was Corberan and the worst was either Moore or Fotheringham.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 2, 2024 13:12:45 GMT 1
Matty Pearson sounded like he's happy Moore has gone in his presser. Very honest interview. Hes one who hasnt been playing much even when fit, so he probably is. Thought Worthy's interview was excellent. Came across very well..enthused and confident. Played every game under Moore until his injury against Preston and was a substitute twice, so I'm not sure where you get that from? 🤔 |
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Post by dezzly on Feb 2, 2024 13:22:17 GMT 1
Matty Pearson sounded like he's happy Moore has gone in his presser. Very honest interview. Was a bit damming wasn’t he! Was too conservative Some times you have to take risks to win games We can’t draw our way out of situation Prefers to be aggressive and front foot then conservative The approach to games could have been different in his opinion Few if the things he said although not in those exact words but pretty much. Players don’t often give opinion on those sort of things they usually swerve them. Don’t think anything to do with not playing either,he was before his injury and said himself only been available for qpr since back in training. |
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