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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 2, 2024 13:30:41 GMT 1
Hes one who hasnt been playing much even when fit, so he probably is. Thought Worthy's interview was excellent. Came across very well..enthused and confident. Played every game under Moore until his injury against Preston and was a substitute twice, so I'm not sure where you get that from? 🤔 if he was fit before he would have been playing! more recently I think it was clear Moore prefered helik, lees and the new guy over Pearson. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Feb 2, 2024 13:35:53 GMT 1
Coberan showed in the first half of his first season that he could get results, learned from his mistakes and just as importantly gave the players belief in themselves and his methods. We saw the benefits of that in the play-off season. Moore on the other hand never showed any ability to get the best out what was in all fairness to him a weakened squad, but despite him claiming the squad was improving, to me they looked more and more lost every week. IMO the squad had gone backwards since Moore took over. In Nagles defence just how much longer could he leave it, Moore had had three games against weak opposition and could not manage one win. Okay its the players on the pitch but his team selections and subs left a lot to be desired and I place the blame firmly on him. Leaving him one more game to mess up was not an option. He was given a fair crack of the whip and he failed miserably, end of story As to Nagles comments on social media, its simply the way its done in the USA. Managers and players are being paid a lot of money and should be able to take criticism in their stride. I don’t think Nagle would bat an eyelid that Warnock hit back earlier in the season, I suspect he would rather like the fact that Warnock was no ones yes man. Personally I have nothing against Moore as a bloke he seems to be a nice guy, I just don’t want him managing my team. Dont see it as being relevant what corboran did when he had a full squad to pick from if we're comparing the two. When he didnt in the 2nd half of that 20/21 season he was no better than Moores been,,,and Moore's injury crisis has been considerably worse than what Corboran was dealing with. How was Moore given a 'fair crack of the whip' when hes been selecting from as little as 11 fit senior players at times and didnt have a single striker of any note throughout? Thats not a fair crack of the whip or anything remotely like it. Hes been firefighting throughout really due to injuries and a poor squad. When he did have something resembling a decent squad with strikers to select from we got two creditable away draws, which but for a howling miss by Rudoni and a 95th minute equaliser off someones knees, would have been 2 away wins. I know Im swimming against the tide here, but to me its a bizarre decision at this time, when weve just given him the tools to actually do the job and hes started out reasonably well with them. I wouldn't say the injury crisis DM has had to deal with was worse than Corberan's at all, infact if anything I'd say it's the other way around. I can't remember the names off the top of my head, but I specifically remember that for most of the 2nd half of that season, there were no less than six, sometimes seven, first XI players on the treatment table, at any given moment. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Feb 2, 2024 13:39:07 GMT 1
Im not saying hes been any good. He clearly hasnt at all and hes struggled badly with the poor hand he was dealt. He'd say, with some justification, that hes actually done well to keep us up out of the bottom 3 with such an injury wrecked, already feeble squad. But the reasons why he was given the job ( his previous record ) are still applicable a few months later surely, so it just seems bizarre to me that they would wait until he's finally got a decent squad and striker options ..and then sack him. Like having a dog that keeps shitting in your house and chewing up your furniture, then as soon as you've trained it to not do that, getting rid of it for a different dog. To me its not soo much about defending Moore, but learning from the mistake we would have made by sacking Corboran when he struggled ion the exact same way.It's such a different scenario though, this is why your argument fails to stand up. Moore showed nothing in terms of tactical understanding or development. In fact, any time we had a brief period of looking half decent, we seemed to regress almost immediately for weeks on end. As said countless times, Carlos showed that he was a good coach from day 1, had references and had worked closely with some of the best in the game, and was clearly still maturing into management. If Moore - a relatively experienced manager at this point - couldn't show something in 25 games, that wasn't going to change with the addition of a couple of strikers. Can't disagree with any of that, and I was one of DM's biggest supporters. |
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Post by paulmat on Feb 2, 2024 13:40:19 GMT 1
Also, Moore didn't inherit an injury crisis. That only really kicked in from the Leeds game. Up until that point he'd got 1 very unconvincing win against QPR, 3 draws (we were good against Ipswich, but terrible against Sheffield Wednesday), and two bad, bad defeats against Birmingham and Cardiff. He showed us nothing before or after the injuries.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 2, 2024 13:40:59 GMT 1
Played every game under Moore until his injury against Preston and was a substitute twice, so I'm not sure where you get that from? 🤔 if he was fit before he would have been playing! more recently I think it was clear Moore prefered helik, lees and the new guy over Pearson. Again, where do you get that from? He's still working his way back to full fitness. How do you know he preferred them over Pearson? Balker has only been here a week or so. It's a pretty bold statement to suggest Moore didn't fancy Pearson, considering he played in every game before his injury. |
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Post by King Neil on Feb 2, 2024 13:44:19 GMT 1
Matty Pearson sounded like he's happy Moore has gone in his presser. Very honest interview. And Delano burgzorg liked a tweet about Moore,s dismissal |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Feb 2, 2024 14:12:15 GMT 1
Very eloquent interview Mr Worthington 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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Post by midlander on Feb 2, 2024 14:51:30 GMT 1
Matty Pearson sounded like he's happy Moore has gone in his presser. Very honest interview. And Delano burgzorg liked a tweet about Moore,s dismissal Delano needs a coach who wants to attack with the ball on the floor and runners. Have never imagined that he would have enjoyed our style of play so doubted he would stay beyond the season. If next coach can make us look more progressive, then chances of keeping him get better. |
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Post by midlander on Feb 2, 2024 14:56:12 GMT 1
I had a brief chat with a current first team player the other day who I know. We were talking about the number of managers we'd had over the last few seasons, from Danny Cowley - Darren Moore. 6 permanent managers plus 2 caretakers. I asked him who he thought was the best and who he thought was the worst. Without hesitation the best was Corberan and the worst was either Moore or Fotheringham. Our Number 6 by any chance? |
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Post by Sparrow on Feb 2, 2024 15:24:50 GMT 1
I had a brief chat with a current first team player the other day who I know. We were talking about the number of managers we'd had over the last few seasons, from Danny Cowley - Darren Moore. 6 permanent managers plus 2 caretakers. I asked him who he thought was the best and who he thought was the worst. Without hesitation the best was Corberan and the worst was either Moore or Fotheringham. Our Number 6 by any chance? No |
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Post by runner76 on Feb 2, 2024 15:27:29 GMT 1
I had a brief chat with a current first team player the other day who I know. We were talking about the number of managers we'd had over the last few seasons, from Danny Cowley - Darren Moore. 6 permanent managers plus 2 caretakers. I asked him who he thought was the best and who he thought was the worst. Without hesitation the best was Corberan and the worst was either Moore or Fotheringham. NOT KING NEIL?? |
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 2, 2024 15:29:34 GMT 1
I had a brief chat with a current first team player the other day who I know. We were talking about the number of managers we'd had over the last few seasons, from Danny Cowley - Darren Moore. 6 permanent managers plus 2 caretakers. I asked him who he thought was the best and who he thought was the worst. Without hesitation the best was Corberan and the worst was either Moore or Fotheringham. NOT KING NEIL?? It definitely wasn't Ward then! |
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Post by Sparrow on Feb 2, 2024 15:31:34 GMT 1
I had a brief chat with a current first team player the other day who I know. We were talking about the number of managers we'd had over the last few seasons, from Danny Cowley - Darren Moore. 6 permanent managers plus 2 caretakers. I asked him who he thought was the best and who he thought was the worst. Without hesitation the best was Corberan and the worst was either Moore or Fotheringham. NOT KING NEIL?? I think from a coaching and tactical point of view he rates Corberan ahead of Warnock. |
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Feb 2, 2024 15:41:52 GMT 1
I had a brief chat with a current first team player the other day who I know. We were talking about the number of managers we'd had over the last few seasons, from Danny Cowley - Darren Moore. 6 permanent managers plus 2 caretakers. I asked him who he thought was the best and who he thought was the worst. Without hesitation the best was Corberan and the worst was either Moore or Fotheringham. Our Number 6 by any chance? Unless I'm mistaken, the only current first team players who would have played under Cowley and Moore are Hogg & Koroma. High made his debut in the last game of the Cowley season but Schofield took charge of that and Rowe was on loan for the entirety of Moore's reign. Although he could be talking about a player who trained under Cowley but hadn't progressed to a first team debut by that point of course! |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 2, 2024 15:54:16 GMT 1
I had a brief chat with a current first team player the other day who I know. We were talking about the number of managers we'd had over the last few seasons, from Danny Cowley - Darren Moore. 6 permanent managers plus 2 caretakers. I asked him who he thought was the best and who he thought was the worst. Without hesitation the best was Corberan and the worst was either Moore or Fotheringham. Our Number 6 by any chance? Who've we got left from the 2 Rons being here 🤔. Hoggy and.....JK ? |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Feb 2, 2024 15:54:41 GMT 1
Played every game under Moore until his injury against Preston and was a substitute twice, so I'm not sure where you get that from? 🤔 if he was fit before he would have been playing! more recently I think it was clear Moore prefered helik, lees and the new guy over Pearson."The new guy" has played less than half a game... |
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Post by tyketaffy on Feb 2, 2024 16:00:32 GMT 1
Coberan showed in the first half of his first season that he could get results, learned from his mistakes and just as importantly gave the players belief in themselves and his methods. We saw the benefits of that in the play-off season. Moore on the other hand never showed any ability to get the best out what was in all fairness to him a weakened squad, but despite him claiming the squad was improving, to me they looked more and more lost every week. IMO the squad had gone backwards since Moore took over. In Nagles defence just how much longer could he leave it, Moore had had three games against weak opposition and could not manage one win. Okay its the players on the pitch but his team selections and subs left a lot to be desired and I place the blame firmly on him. Leaving him one more game to mess up was not an option. He was given a fair crack of the whip and he failed miserably, end of story As to Nagles comments on social media, its simply the way its done in the USA. Managers and players are being paid a lot of money and should be able to take criticism in their stride. I don’t think Nagle would bat an eyelid that Warnock hit back earlier in the season, I suspect he would rather like the fact that Warnock was no ones yes man. Personally I have nothing against Moore as a bloke he seems to be a nice guy, I just don’t want him managing my team. Dont see it as being relevant what corboran did when he had a full squad to pick from if we're comparing the two. When he didnt in the 2nd half of that 20/21 season he was no better than Moores been,,,and Moore's injury crisis has been considerably worse than what Corboran was dealing with. How was Moore given a 'fair crack of the whip' when hes been selecting from as little as 11 fit senior players at times and didnt have a single striker of any note throughout? Thats not a fair crack of the whip or anything remotely like it. Hes been firefighting throughout really due to injuries and a poor squad. When he did have something resembling a decent squad with strikers to select from we got two creditable away draws, which but for a howling miss by Rudoni and a 95th minute equaliser off someones knees, would have been 2 away wins. I know Im swimming against the tide here, but to me its a bizarre decision at this time, when weve just given him the tools to actually do the job and hes started out reasonably well with them. Sorry Captain, but IMO Moore was given more than enough time to get do better than he has. We will just have to agree to disagree |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 2, 2024 16:48:57 GMT 1
if he was fit before he would have been playing! more recently I think it was clear Moore prefered helik, lees and the new guy over Pearson."The new guy" has played less than half a game... Well yeah but was brought on ahead of Pearson and to be fair , at about £1m you'd expect him to be above Pearson in the pecking order. |
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Post by waggers on Feb 2, 2024 18:16:33 GMT 1
Dont see it as being relevant what corboran did when he had a full squad to pick from if we're comparing the two. When he didnt in the 2nd half of that 20/21 season he was no better than Moores been,,,and Moore's injury crisis has been considerably worse than what Corboran was dealing with. How was Moore given a 'fair crack of the whip' when hes been selecting from as little as 11 fit senior players at times and didnt have a single striker of any note throughout? Thats not a fair crack of the whip or anything remotely like it. Hes been firefighting throughout really due to injuries and a poor squad. When he did have something resembling a decent squad with strikers to select from we got two creditable away draws, which but for a howling miss by Rudoni and a 95th minute equaliser off someones knees, would have been 2 away wins. I know Im swimming against the tide here, but to me its a bizarre decision at this time, when weve just given him the tools to actually do the job and hes started out reasonably well with them. Sorry Captain, but IMO Moore was given more than enough time to get do better than he has. We will just have to agree to disagree Agreed. You can find excuses anywhere if you try hard enough. When he was given additional players the performances were very similar to the games before they arrived. You can say we'd have got a win here and there if it wasn't for this and that, but that's football. Every team in the league would be able to stay the same. The teams performance under Moore is up there with the worst I've seen (I'm 33). Siewert was terrible too, toss of a coin. |
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Post by yappledapple on Feb 2, 2024 20:29:45 GMT 1
Think the players could have been a little unhappy with DM’s tactics and methods…
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Feb 2, 2024 22:13:04 GMT 1
I am enjoying KN's Twitter output... an honest refreshing change. But... a couple of things: 1. I think that he would have given Moore time to work with the new signings and seen what the outcome was by the end of February. Social media, whether he would admit it or not, changed his mind.2. Dean Hoyle also used to interact with DATM... in fact he once sent me a message, but he rarely posted. However, DH soon realised that paying attention to posts on message boards such as this can drive you crazy when you are trying to make decisions in the best interests of the club. Therefore, he stopped coming on here. This is only going to end one way... KN will soon realise that reaching out to fans through social media does not work in the long run. I wrote on here several weeks ago that I thought DM needed to get 2 wins as a minimum from the upcoming 4 "easier" games on paper, otherwise he was gone, Kenny. I don't for a moment think KN would be influenced by social media, I think I my thoughts were in line with his & once he hadn't beaten QPR, he was always going to go. |
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Post by waggers on Feb 2, 2024 22:26:11 GMT 1
I am enjoying KN's Twitter output... an honest refreshing change. But... a couple of things: 1. I think that he would have given Moore time to work with the new signings and seen what the outcome was by the end of February. Social media, whether he would admit it or not, changed his mind.2. Dean Hoyle also used to interact with DATM... in fact he once sent me a message, but he rarely posted. However, DH soon realised that paying attention to posts on message boards such as this can drive you crazy when you are trying to make decisions in the best interests of the club. Therefore, he stopped coming on here. This is only going to end one way... KN will soon realise that reaching out to fans through social media does not work in the long run. I wrote on here several weeks ago that I thought DM needed to get 2 wins as a minimum from the upcoming 4 "easier" games on paper, otherwise he was gone, Kenny. I don't for a moment think KN would be influenced by social media, I think I my thoughts were in line with his & once he hadn't beaten QPR, he was always going to go. Very true. He's an intelligent man who likely set a minimum requirement for Moore in order to keep him in his post. Nagle made the decision based off performance and results, as it should be. Moore was very, very poor and uninspiring. |
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Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Feb 2, 2024 23:56:03 GMT 1
I’ve been so busy this week and the apathy that set in from how crap we have been meant I didn’t know we had finally sacked Moore! Hopefully when I catch up with posts I will discover we got Messi on loan and bringing dizzy penalties back
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Post by waggers on Feb 3, 2024 0:06:08 GMT 1
I’ve been so busy this week and the apathy that set in from how crap we have been meant I didn’t know we had finally sacked Moore! Hopefully when I catch up with posts I will discover we got Messi on loan and bringing dizzy penalties back Were dizzy penalties stopped due to health and safety tripe? |
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Post by football on Feb 3, 2024 0:16:02 GMT 1
I’ve been so busy this week and the apathy that set in from how crap we have been meant I didn’t know we had finally sacked Moore! Hopefully when I catch up with posts I will discover we got Messi on loan and bringing dizzy penalties back Were dizzy penalties stopped due to health and safety tripe? Probably just realised how crap it had got |
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Feb 3, 2024 4:56:15 GMT 1
Very eloquent interview Mr Worthington 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 We have low standards if we're thinking it was eloquent. It was enthusiastic yes, but eloquent not really. Not wanting to beat down Worthington he had more errs and erms than DM had in all of his pressers combined. |
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Feb 3, 2024 4:57:58 GMT 1
What I will add is (I forgot who said it) that were disgruntled players (senior) with DM approach and tactics. The presser definitely has a lot of digs towards DM.
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Post by morleyterrier on Feb 3, 2024 5:48:11 GMT 1
Let’s see how all you cocky twats will be in a few weeks / months time post Warnock. Let's see how you respond in a few weeks/months time if you turn out to be completely wrong, which you normally are. I would rather have been wrong and the Moore appointment worked out. |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Feb 3, 2024 8:01:11 GMT 1
Very eloquent interview Mr Worthington 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 We have low standards if we're thinking it was eloquent. It was enthusiastic yes, but eloquent not really. Not wanting to beat down Worthington he had more errs and erms than DM had in all of his pressers combined. Absolute garbage. For someone thrown into the spotlight with little notice it was a great start |
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Post by krtek on Feb 3, 2024 9:15:56 GMT 1
We have low standards if we're thinking it was eloquent. It was enthusiastic yes, but eloquent not really. Not wanting to beat down Worthington he had more errs and erms than DM had in all of his pressers combined. Absolute garbage. For someone thrown into the spotlight with little notice it was a great start it's Worthy - I don't think anyone was expecting an interview with Dame Judi Bench! Errs and Erms are not the same thing as excessive waffling with deeply wrong malapropisms and a word salad of hackneyed buzz words. Worthy has conviction, Moore often sounded like he was still trying to wing his way through a job interview. |
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