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Post by waggers on Sept 27, 2023 18:18:17 GMT 1
The same as what taking 20 games shows...that the points Fotheringham got is irrelevant when pushing the narrative he was the worst manager ever! He came across as such a pillock that it's an easy one to say without getting much pushback. Funny thing to say after what actually happened last season, but I think he could've kept us up if the Blackpool game hadn't been postponed. We were doing just about well enough up til new year, had a bad run with Blackpool (in awful form and just having sacked the manager) scheduled to be somewhere in the middle, and all of a sudden it became a must win game which we messed up. Schofield, although seemingly a nice bloke and a fan favourite as a player, was a worse manager than Buzz. If I had to take one of them back as manager at gunpoint it'd still be him though! Buzz's personality does mean a lot of us deeply dislike the man and could make people see him as a shitter manager than he was. I'd still argue we would have dropped with him in charge, I know the points per game stat is sometimes used as a tool to argue we'd have stayed up but I think the team would have gradually nosedived further and further. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Sept 27, 2023 18:36:37 GMT 1
He came across as such a pillock that it's an easy one to say without getting much pushback. Funny thing to say after what actually happened last season, but I think he could've kept us up if the Blackpool game hadn't been postponed. We were doing just about well enough up til new year, had a bad run with Blackpool (in awful form and just having sacked the manager) scheduled to be somewhere in the middle, and all of a sudden it became a must win game which we messed up. Schofield, although seemingly a nice bloke and a fan favourite as a player, was a worse manager than Buzz. If I had to take one of them back as manager at gunpoint it'd still be him though! Buzz's personality does mean a lot of us deeply dislike the man and could make people see him as a shitter manager than he was I'd still argue we would have dropped with him in charge, I know the points per game stat is sometimes used as a tool to argue we'd have stayed up but I think the team would have gradually nosedived further and further. completely agree. I think we'd have finished bottom and possibly not won another game if he'd lasted the season. But there was a spell around Christmas where it looked like we had it together |
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Post by softboy on Sept 27, 2023 21:01:47 GMT 1
Not sure I understand this thread. If it’s based on first 10 games why is Moore included as he has only been in charge for 1 game!
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Post by mosher on Sept 28, 2023 9:11:31 GMT 1
Not sure I understand this thread. If it’s based on first 10 games why is Moore included as he has only been in charge for 1 game! I assumed the OP was going to keep updating the table as Moore went along, but I may be wrong? |
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Post by goodbet on Sept 28, 2023 10:04:44 GMT 1
David Wagner - W 3 D 1 L 4 = 10 Points Mark Robbins - W 3 D 1 L 4 = 10 Points Carlos Corberan - W 3 D 1 L 4 = 10 Points Mark Fotheringham - W 2 D 2 L 4 = 8 Points It just shows you what taking 10 games shows, 2 points difference between a complete waste and good managers. The same as what taking 20 games shows...that the points Fotheringham got is irrelevant when pushing the narrative he was the worst manager ever! I was pointing out that there was very little difference between some good managers and someone who should never have been given the job. I would never say he was the worst manager ever, we only have to look at Runner76's original list to see two names below Buzz's that were worse. Danny Schofield - W 1 D 1 L 6 = 4 Points Jan Siewert - W 1 D 0 L 7 = 3 Points If I gave it some time I am sure I could come up with other names to the duffer list. |
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Post by runner76 on Oct 8, 2023 10:02:10 GMT 1
Simon Grayson - W 4 D 4 L 0 = 16 Points
Chris Powell - W 3 D 3 L 2 = 12 Points
Danny Cowley - W 3 D 3 L 2 = 12 Points
Lee Clark - W 3 D 2 L 3 = 11 Points
Neil Warnock - W 3 D 2 L 3 = 11 Points
David Wagner - W 3 D 1 L 4 = 10 Points
Mark Robbins - W 3 D 1 L 4 = 10 Points
Carlos Corberan - W 3 D 1 L 4 = 10 Points
Mark Fotheringham - W 2 D 2 L 4 = 8 Points
Danny Schofield - W 1 D 1 L 6 = 4 Points
Jan Siewert - W 1 D 0 L 7 = 3 Points
Darren Moore - W 0 D 3 L 1 = 3 Points
Just one win needed to leapfrog Jan the man and Scoffa…..
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Post by runner76 on Oct 21, 2023 18:09:30 GMT 1
He’s now overtaken Scoffa. Another win to at least get ahead of Fozzy
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Post by nicovaesen on Oct 21, 2023 20:15:11 GMT 1
Buzz the legend
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Post by rockwall on Oct 21, 2023 20:24:12 GMT 1
The same as what taking 20 games shows...that the points Fotheringham got is irrelevant when pushing the narrative he was the worst manager ever! I was pointing out that there was very little difference between some good managers and someone who should never have been given the job. I would never say he was the worst manager ever, we only have to look at Runner76's original list to see two names below Buzz's that were worse. Danny Schofield - W 1 D 1 L 6 = 4 Points Jan Siewert - W 1 D 0 L 7 = 3 Points If I gave it some time I am sure I could come up with other names to the duffer list. With this stat you are comparing a Siewert team with zero confidence, basically already relegated from the PL against a Schofield team off the back of a play off final. Looking at stats like this is pointless. The situation of the club can be different for any manager. |
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Post by runner76 on Oct 25, 2023 12:50:32 GMT 1
By which AH means 'After Hoyle', or in my mind, the modern era of football at Town...  So, just using my log of stats (yes I have one and, yes, it might not be 100% accurate so please update if needed....) I thought it would be interesting to rank how new managers have done in terms of points haul / won / lost / draws etc By 'starting' I would usually say over 10 games, simply because I always use a 10 game barometer as the 'start' of a season, however, as Scoffa only got to 8 I will use the first 8 games as the start...........will see where Big Daz ends up on this list as he progresses............. In Descending order from best to worst ........... Simon Grayson - W 4 D 4 L 0 = 16 Points Chris Powell - W 3 D 3 L 2 = 12 Points Danny Cowley - W 3 D 3 L 2 = 12 Points Lee Clark - W 3 D 2 L 3 = 11 Points Neil Warnock - W 3 D 2 L 3 = 11 Points David Wagner - W 3 D 1 L 4 = 10 Points Mark Robbins - W 3 D 1 L 4 = 10 Points Carlos Corberan - W 3 D 1 L 4 = 10 Points Mark Fotheringham - W 2 D 2 L 4 = 8 Points Darren Moore - W 1 D 3 L 2 = 6 Points Danny Schofield - W 1 D 1 L 6 = 4 Points Jan Siewert - W 1 D 0 L 7 = 3 Points Still behind Fozzy for worst start over 8 games…..win needed in the next two….!! |
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Post by runner76 on Oct 28, 2023 17:11:46 GMT 1
By which AH means 'After Hoyle', or in my mind, the modern era of football at Town... So, just using my log of stats (yes I have one and, yes, it might not be 100% accurate so please update if needed....) I thought it would be interesting to rank how new managers have done in terms of points haul / won / lost / draws etc By 'starting' I would usually say over 10 games, simply because I always use a 10 game barometer as the 'start' of a season, however, as Scoffa only got to 8 I will use the first 8 games as the start...........will see where Big Daz ends up on this list as he progresses............. In Descending order from best to worst ........... Simon Grayson - W 4 D 4 L 0 = 16 Points Chris Powell - W 3 D 3 L 2 = 12 Points Danny Cowley - W 3 D 3 L 2 = 12 Points Lee Clark - W 3 D 2 L 3 = 11 Points Neil Warnock - W 3 D 2 L 3 = 11 Points David Wagner - W 3 D 1 L 4 = 10 Points Mark Robbins - W 3 D 1 L 4 = 10 Points Carlos Corberan - W 3 D 1 L 4 = 10 Points Mark Fotheringham - W 2 D 2 L 4 = 8 Points Darren Moore - W 1 D 3 L 3 = 6 Points Danny Schofield - W 1 D 1 L 6 = 4 Points Jan Siewert - W 1 D 0 L 7 = 3 Points Must beat Watford to be less shit than Fozzy in his first 8 games……!!!!! |
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Post by andyeastleake on Oct 28, 2023 17:18:59 GMT 1
Has any Town Manager ever conceded Four goals THREE times in his first seven games?
...& even more worryingly on none of those three occasions did the four goals flatter them (we were lucky to get away with the scoreline on each occasion).
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 28, 2023 17:30:23 GMT 1
Moore is very lucky to have 6 points. If it wasn't for Helik making a ridiculous block last week we would probably have gone on to lose that game
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Post by araucaria on Oct 31, 2023 14:28:19 GMT 1
By which AH means 'After Hoyle', or in my mind, the modern era of football at Town... So, just using my log of stats (yes I have one and, yes, it might not be 100% accurate so please update if needed....) I thought it would be interesting to rank how new managers have done in terms of points haul / won / lost / draws etc By 'starting' I would usually say over 10 games, simply because I always use a 10 game barometer as the 'start' of a season, however, as Scoffa only got to 8 I will use the first 8 games as the start...........will see where Big Daz ends up on this list as he progresses............. In Descending order from best to worst ........... Simon Grayson - W 4 D 4 L 0 = 16 Points Chris Powell - W 3 D 3 L 2 = 12 Points Danny Cowley - W 3 D 3 L 2 = 12 Points Lee Clark - W 3 D 2 L 3 = 11 Points Neil Warnock - W 3 D 2 L 3 = 11 Points David Wagner - W 3 D 1 L 4 = 10 Points Mark Robbins - W 3 D 1 L 4 = 10 Points Carlos Corberan - W 3 D 1 L 4 = 10 Points Mark Fotheringham - W 2 D 2 L 4 = 8 Points Darren Moore - W 1 D 3 L 3 = 6 Points Danny Schofield - W 1 D 1 L 6 = 4 Points Jan Siewert - W 1 D 0 L 7 = 3 Points Must beat Watford to be less shit than Fozzy in his first 8 games……!!!!! But one took over from a position of strength and the other from Danny Schofield. |
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Post by araucaria on Oct 31, 2023 15:56:16 GMT 1
Has any Town Manager ever conceded Four goals THREE times in his first seven games? ...& even more worryingly on none of those three occasions did the four goals flatter them (we were lucky to get away with the scoreline on each occasion). Supermac presided over 5 defeats and a win in his first 6 games, with 22 goals conceded (but no 4s, ha ha). Guess which his 6th game was. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Oct 31, 2023 16:59:15 GMT 1
Has any Town Manager ever conceded Four goals THREE times in his first seven games? ...& even more worryingly on none of those three occasions did the four goals flatter them (we were lucky to get away with the scoreline on each occasion). Supermac presided over 5 defeats and a win in his first 6 games, with 22 goals conceded (but no 4s, ha ha). Guess which his 6th game was. Maine Road Massacre per chance? |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 4, 2023 18:01:33 GMT 1
So after eight matches, Moore has gained seven points from a possible 24.
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Post by runner76 on Nov 4, 2023 18:28:06 GMT 1
aye…..ahead of Danny and Jan, but worse than buzz!!! Although you could argue he’s a far shitter squad than buzz……
Still. Poor start overall, but at least managed to get a point today and let’s hope it’s onwards and upwards
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 4, 2023 20:12:42 GMT 1
Manager deserves credit today.
11 players out!!!
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Post by willo on Nov 5, 2023 0:42:38 GMT 1
Manager deserves credit today. 11 players out!!! Credit where it’s due, we were ok today (but only ok). Having so many players missing really isn’t helping though, hopefully things turn around very soon on this score. |
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Post by onesteviekindon on Nov 5, 2023 7:05:35 GMT 1
This comparison is deceptive because of the relative strength of the squad each manager inherited and the quality of opposition faced. For example Grayson took over a competitive League 1 outfit, whereas Siewert had a tired squad that was up against some of the best teams in the country.
For me the most impressive return was from Warnock, who took over when confidence was at an all time low (as it is now) and initial fixtures were mostly against teams in the top half of the Championship. The subsequent reverse in fortunes that he and Ronnie achieved was nothing short of remarkable.
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Post by runner76 on Nov 6, 2023 11:46:01 GMT 1
as far as I can see, Moore is one of only three managers of this era to have not had the team in the relegation spots......Clark and Grayson being the other two......
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Post by araucaria on Nov 8, 2023 11:26:41 GMT 1
as far as I can see, Moore is one of only three managers of this era to have not had the team in the relegation spots......Clark and Grayson being the other two...... You are right; I'd thought that you were being hard on Wagner, since I assumed that he'd only been in a relegation place in the Prem, but we were 22nd after losing his first game to Middlesbrough. And Carlos only spent 3 days in 22nd after losing 5-1 at home to Fulham in the second match of his second season. To be fair to Robins and Powell, they only had about two short spells each in the bottom three and Robins gave us a reasonably care free season in 2013-14 when, apart from losing the first game, we were never lower than 17th (although, unfortunately, that's where we finished) and as high as 7th and still in the top half in January. Grayson probably would have been down there in that stupid season if he'd been allowed to build on his run of 12 league games without a win. I think that, since we returned to the Championship, only in 2013-14, 2016-17 and 2020-21 (Carlos's first season, when we fell from top half at Christmas to 20th in May) have we had a full season without being in a relegation place. 3 out of 11, here's hoping for 4 out of 12. Edit: Wagner almost kept out of the bottom 3 in 2017-18 in the Prem; after losing 2-0 at Old Trafford in February, we were 19th for 8 days until the Pritch-inspired 4-1 win at home to Bournemouth. |
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Post by terrierZed on Nov 8, 2023 12:40:21 GMT 1
Loved that first season back in the Championship under Grayson…all went a bit pear shaped towards the end but some of the signings we made in those two windows immediately after promotion were excellent; players like Clayton, Norwood, Vaughan, Beckford, Hammill, Scannell…and to a lesser extent Southern and Lynch (I’ve probably missed a few??). Would love a transfer window like that again, guess it helped we had the Rhodes money to spend, but just can’t fathom why we’ve not done that with any of the Billing, Grant or O’Brien money. The calibre of players back then seemed much higher even having just come up.
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Post by stinkypete on Nov 8, 2023 14:35:36 GMT 1
Loved that first season back in the Championship under Grayson…all went a bit pear shaped towards the end but some of the signings we made in those two windows immediately after promotion were excellent; players like Clayton, Norwood, Vaughan, Beckford, Hammill, Scannell…and to a lesser extent Southern and Lynch (I’ve probably missed a few??). Would love a transfer window like that again, guess it helped we had the Rhodes money to spend, but just can’t fathom why we’ve not done that with any of the Billing, Grant or O’Brien money. The calibre of players back then seemed much higher even having just come up. Every single one of them would walk into our team now, shows how much we’ve regressed over the last few years. What a finisher Beckford was btw!! |
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Post by royrace on Nov 8, 2023 17:06:02 GMT 1
as far as I can see, Moore is one of only three managers of this era to have not had the team in the relegation spots......Clark and Grayson being the other two...... Lol he's doing his best to be fair. The trajectory is a steep dive towards the bottom! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2023 12:44:45 GMT 1
Loved that first season back in the Championship under Grayson…all went a bit pear shaped towards the end but some of the signings we made in those two windows immediately after promotion were excellent; players like Clayton, Norwood, Vaughan, Beckford, Hammill, Scannell…and to a lesser extent Southern and Lynch (I’ve probably missed a few??). Would love a transfer window like that again, guess it helped we had the Rhodes money to spend, but just can’t fathom why we’ve not done that with any of the Billing, Grant or O’Brien money. The calibre of players back then seemed much higher even having just come up. Every single one of them would walk into our team now, shows how much we’ve regressed over the last few years. What a finisher Beckford was btw!! Remember not too far back on here (after our prem years) people on here dissing the pre Wagner years squads as 'sh*te'. Obviously some very short memories. |
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Post by runner76 on Nov 20, 2023 19:30:38 GMT 1
Just for shits and giggles I wondered what the worst run of any of those managers was over 8 games (not just the first games.......) and here you go, in order of best to worst, with our lad Darren sitting in mid-table, above all our most successful from that list.....!!  : Neil Warnock - W 3 D 2 L 3 = 11 Points Danny Cowley - W 3 D 1 L 4 = 10 Points Mark Fotheringham - W 2 D 2 L 4 = 8 Points Lee Clark - W 1 D 4 L 3 = 7 Points Chris Powell - W 1 D 4 L 3 = 7 Points Darren Moore - W 1 D 3 L 4 = 6 Points Danny Schofield - W 1 D 1 L 6 = 4 Points Simon Grayson - W 0 D 4 L 4 = 4 Points Mark Robbins - W 0 D 3 L 5 = 3 Points Carlos Corberan - W 0 D 2 L 6 = 2 Points David Wagner - W 0 D 3 L 5 = 0 Points Jan Siewert - W 0 D 0 L 8 = 0 Points D |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 20, 2023 20:17:05 GMT 1
Just for shits and giggles I wondered what the worst run of any of those managers was over 8 games (not just the first games.......) and here you go, in order of best to worst, with our lad Darren sitting in mid-table, above all our most successful from that list.....!! : Neil Warnock - W 3 D 2 L 3 = 11 Points Danny Cowley - W 3 D 1 L 4 = 10 Points Mark Fotheringham - W 2 D 2 L 4 = 8 Points Lee Clark - W 1 D 4 L 3 = 7 Points Chris Powell - W 1 D 4 L 3 = 7 Points Darren Moore - W 1 D 3 L 4 = 6 Points Danny Schofield - W 1 D 1 L 6 = 4 Points Simon Grayson - W 0 D 4 L 4 = 4 Points Mark Robbins - W 0 D 3 L 5 = 3 Points David Wagner - W 0 D 3 L 5 = 3 Points Carlos Corberan - W 0 D 2 L 6 = 2 Points Jan Siewert - W 0 D 0 L 8 = 0 Points D Wagner lost eight on the bounce in 2018-19. |
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Post by runner76 on Nov 20, 2023 21:53:42 GMT 1
Just for shits and giggles I wondered what the worst run of any of those managers was over 8 games (not just the first games.......) and here you go, in order of best to worst, with our lad Darren sitting in mid-table, above all our most successful from that list.....!! : Neil Warnock - W 3 D 2 L 3 = 11 Points Danny Cowley - W 3 D 1 L 4 = 10 Points Mark Fotheringham - W 2 D 2 L 4 = 8 Points Lee Clark - W 1 D 4 L 3 = 7 Points Chris Powell - W 1 D 4 L 3 = 7 Points Darren Moore - W 1 D 3 L 4 = 6 Points Danny Schofield - W 1 D 1 L 6 = 4 Points Simon Grayson - W 0 D 4 L 4 = 4 Points Mark Robbins - W 0 D 3 L 5 = 3 Points David Wagner - W 0 D 3 L 5 = 3 Points Carlos Corberan - W 0 D 2 L 6 = 2 Points Jan Siewert - W 0 D 0 L 8 = 0 Points D Wagner lost eight on the bounce in 2018-19. You win the prize for spotting the error.... indeed you are correct - amended! |
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