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Post by Porrohman on Oct 9, 2023 18:27:57 GMT 1
I have no knowledge of whether that statement is correct or not. However, if it is correct, I don't view the following comments from Jake Edwards on 17th June 23 particularly favourably. "We’ve heard Town fans loud and clear, both at the Reading game and ever since. You all wanted ‘one more year’ under Neil and Ronnie, and this had to be our first order of business as we prepare for the new season. “Neil and Ronnie have incredible knowledge and skill as a management team; that was clear in the job they achieved here at the end of last season. They also have an amazing connection with this Club and our supporters, which is also so valuable. “We’re so pleased Neil has agreed to stay on for another season. I know how determined he is to build on the job he’s done last season, and he offers us great experience and stability on the football side as we prepare for the prospective change of ownership.” Nothing in that suggests it was until a replacement is found, absolutely nothing at all. Did Edwards lie?What do you expect them to say at that point ? Anything other than this and it couldn’t possibly work, if you say “oh Neil is only back until we find someone else” then the players don’t get behind what Neil is doing and it’s a disaster, say he is here for the season players knuckle down and get on with it it’s completely logical they say what they did, NW knew more as did the key decision makers but not many others not even sure Neil told RR, it could have been all season if we didn’t find someone we did and it happened end of now it’s time to back DM sand if it doesn’t work out we will move on again that’s football. Well, if you are part of Kevs mob, you already seem about as sure of DM as some of the fans.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 9, 2023 18:30:18 GMT 1
So why beg him to stay on, if the way he worked wasn't the way 3 people with cock all knowledge of how to run a serious football club in a proper league wanted to 🤔 And then to decide out of all the available managers in world football, Big Dave was the best man for the job 🤷 3 people with no knowledge are you joking we have some of the most experienced people in the whole league leading us we have appointed really well and so much stronger than we have been for years off the pitch, it does however take time, Rome was not built in a day, Not experienced in a serious league. Running some conference standard outfit and league is a hell of a lot different to what they're doing now.
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Post by Dan on Oct 9, 2023 18:31:39 GMT 1
So why beg him to stay on, if the way he worked wasn't the way 3 people with cock all knowledge of how to run a serious football club in a proper league wanted to 🤔 And then to decide out of all the available managers in world football, Big Dave was the best man for the job 🤷 3 people with no knowledge are you joking we have some of the most experienced people in the whole league leading us we have appointed really well and so much stronger than we have been for years off the pitch, it does however take time, Rome was not built in a day, But we lost against Birmingham and drew against Sheff Wednesday so everyone employed at the club is shit
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Oct 9, 2023 19:00:12 GMT 1
3 people with no knowledge are you joking we have some of the most experienced people in the whole league leading us we have appointed really well and so much stronger than we have been for years off the pitch, it does however take time, Rome was not built in a day, Not experienced in a serious league. Running some conference standard outfit and league is a hell of a lot different to what they're doing now. I dare say they have been quite clever and calculated in the Moore appointment. 1) Appoint somebody who is generally well liked as a person. 2) Will get good media attention due the nature of how his previous employees sacked him 3) Technically should be good enough to keep town up, if not can move him on relatively easy enough (although imagine he will be on good money so maybe not but Warnock I imagine is very challenging to get rid of). The only thing I would say is I reckon there's about a 1% chance Darren Moore is here in 3 years but that's very normal for any football manager never mind a Town one.
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Post by King Neil on Oct 9, 2023 19:16:45 GMT 1
In which case we have to judge the "decision", and give it reasonable time. It is only natural that people will point to the change negatively if results don't go well. The rumour mill about why the decision was taken doesn't really help. Because both sides are saying the same thing,. I think on this occasion we should probably ignore the rumour mill. Moore seems to be getting some premature stick...even by Town fans standards it seems pretty knee-jerk. 4 games, 3 away from home.....3 draws and a defeat....1 very good performance, 1 decent one, one poor one and one awful one. can maybe start to judge him after 10 games IMO. Yes I would tend to agree with you for once He has only lost 1 game out of 4 and I will maintain that ANY point away from home is a good point regardless of the oppositions league position 3 out of the next 4 are at home...after these we could either be in the sheet or on the other hand we could be in the top half of the table and dm,s appointment could look like a Shrewd move Fingers crossed its the latter
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Post by goodbet on Oct 9, 2023 19:54:10 GMT 1
In which case we have to judge the "decision", and give it reasonable time. It is only natural that people will point to the change negatively if results don't go well. The rumour mill about why the decision was taken doesn't really help. Because both sides are saying the same thing,. I think on this occasion we should probably ignore the rumour mill. Moore seems to be getting some premature stick...even by Town fans standards it seems pretty knee-jerk. 4 games, 3 away from home.....3 draws and a defeat....1 very good performance, 1 decent one, one poor one and one awful one. can maybe start to judge him after 10 games IMO. All new employees need time to settle in to a new job, but certain actions do tend to give you an impression of their abilities during that settling in time i.e. the Birmingham team selection after a good performance against Ipswich. He will get more time to show his worth, but I would submit that Schofield showed he was not up to the job after his fist game.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 9, 2023 20:02:46 GMT 1
Because both sides are saying the same thing,. I think on this occasion we should probably ignore the rumour mill. Moore seems to be getting some premature stick...even by Town fans standards it seems pretty knee-jerk. 4 games, 3 away from home.....3 draws and a defeat....1 very good performance, 1 decent one, one poor one and one awful one. can maybe start to judge him after 10 games IMO. All new employees need time to settle in to a new job, but certain actions do tend to give you an impression of their abilities during that settling in time i.e. the Birmingham team selection after a good performance against Ipswich. He will get more time to show his worth, but I would submit that Schofield showed he was not up to the job after his fist game. Yet Schofield actually won one of his first four games.
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Post by goodbet on Oct 9, 2023 20:11:08 GMT 1
All new employees need time to settle in to a new job, but certain actions do tend to give you an impression of their abilities during that settling in time i.e. the Birmingham team selection after a good performance against Ipswich. He will get more time to show his worth, but I would submit that Schofield showed he was not up to the job after his fist game. Yet Schofield actually won one of his first four games. From Wiki On 7 July 2022, following the resignation of Corberán, Schofield was named as the new head coach of Huddersfield Town, being assisted by Narcís Pèlach. After a run of only one win from his first eight league games, Schofield was relieved of his duties on 14 September 2022.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 9, 2023 20:42:50 GMT 1
Yet Schofield actually won one of his first four games. From Wiki On 7 July 2022, following the resignation of Corberán, Schofield was named as the new head coach of Huddersfield Town, being assisted by Narcís Pèlach. After a run of only one win from his first eight league games, Schofield was relieved of his duties on 14 September 2022. Do you really think I need Wìki to tell me what happened last season?
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Oct 9, 2023 20:47:02 GMT 1
From Wiki On 7 July 2022, following the resignation of Corberán, Schofield was named as the new head coach of Huddersfield Town, being assisted by Narcís Pèlach. After a run of only one win from his first eight league games, Schofield was relieved of his duties on 14 September 2022. Do you really think I need Wìki to tell me what happened last season? Its helpful to the rest of us who don't know.
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Post by goodbet on Oct 9, 2023 21:09:40 GMT 1
From Wiki On 7 July 2022, following the resignation of Corberán, Schofield was named as the new head coach of Huddersfield Town, being assisted by Narcís Pèlach. After a run of only one win from his first eight league games, Schofield was relieved of his duties on 14 September 2022. Do you really think I need Wìki to tell me what happened last season? It just seemed that you were taking one result in isolation, so I gave a brief overview for everyone. I just did not see what difference it makes when Schofield won his only game, if it was in the first four or later.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 9, 2023 21:14:00 GMT 1
Do you really think I need Wìki to tell me what happened last season? It just seemed that you were taking one result in isolation, so I gave a brief overview for everyone. I just did not see what difference it makes when Schofield won his only game, if it was in the first four or later. You said you knew that he wasn't the right man in his first match, yet he picked up more points in his first four matches than Darren Moore has done.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 9, 2023 21:14:25 GMT 1
Do you really think I need Wìki to tell me what happened last season? Its helpful to the rest of us who don't know. Were you in a coma last season?
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Post by ldr on Oct 9, 2023 21:23:47 GMT 1
Its helpful to the rest of us who don't know. Were you in a coma last season? I wasn’t but my girlfriend was. I know, I know, it’s serious.
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Post by goodbet on Oct 9, 2023 21:37:11 GMT 1
It just seemed that you were taking one result in isolation, so I gave a brief overview for everyone. I just did not see what difference it makes when Schofield won his only game, if it was in the first four or later. You said you knew that he wasn't the right man in his first match, yet he picked up more points in his first four matches than Darren Moore has done. Let's hope that we pick up the pace or we get shut quickly then.
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Post by King Neil on Oct 9, 2023 21:42:40 GMT 1
Were you in a coma last season? I wasn’t but my girlfriend was. I know, I know, it’s serious. What a charming man
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Post by space hardware on Oct 9, 2023 21:55:19 GMT 1
I have no knowledge of whether that statement is correct or not. However, if it is correct, I don't view the following comments from Jake Edwards on 17th June 23 particularly favourably. "We’ve heard Town fans loud and clear, both at the Reading game and ever since. You all wanted ‘one more year’ under Neil and Ronnie, and this had to be our first order of business as we prepare for the new season. “Neil and Ronnie have incredible knowledge and skill as a management team; that was clear in the job they achieved here at the end of last season. They also have an amazing connection with this Club and our supporters, which is also so valuable. “We’re so pleased Neil has agreed to stay on for another season. I know how determined he is to build on the job he’s done last season, and he offers us great experience and stability on the football side as we prepare for the prospective change of ownership.” Nothing in that suggests it was until a replacement is found, absolutely nothing at all. Did Edwards lie?What do you expect them to say at that point ? Anything other than this and it couldn’t possibly work, if you say “oh Neil is only back until we find someone else” then the players don’t get behind what Neil is doing and it’s a disaster, say he is here for the season players knuckle down and get on with it it’s completely logical they say what they did, NW knew more as did the key decision makers but not many others not even sure Neil told RR, it could have been all season if we didn’t find someone we did and it happened end of now it’s time to back DM sand if it doesn’t work out we will move on again that’s football. Absolutely crazy logic here and if you are in any way, shape or form, involved inside the club then I'm worried about the folk who are running it. Mad shit.
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Post by swam4mwg on Oct 9, 2023 22:20:18 GMT 1
It was common to keep away fans in after the game back then. I do recall the announcer having a dig at Bramall Lane. I thought Marsden scored that day? He did. I clearly remember the Maskell missed penalty and going there on, I think, the old Gold Rider bus.[/quote Gold Rider bus! That is a blast from the past 👍
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Post by runner76 on Oct 9, 2023 22:23:57 GMT 1
You said you knew that he wasn't the right man in his first match, yet he picked up more points in his first four matches than Darren Moore has done. Let's hope that we pick up the pace or we get shut quickly then. Moore has 4 games to reach the total of 8 of Scoffa….just one win will see him on 50% more points than Scoffa….
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Post by townrwe on Oct 10, 2023 0:04:37 GMT 1
The Darren Boore Effect...
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Post by irverino on Oct 10, 2023 9:27:46 GMT 1
I have no reason to doubt you but please could you explain why he had to go? Genuinely, how do you know this? - NW agreed a contract to stay until a replacement was found this could have been anytime from first game to last game of the season. - NW was not in training enough for KN and the new team this was agreed but long term not sustainable, players had way too much time off or without the manager in attendance - DM was identified as a possible option to come in, he could not come in sooner contractually. - NW said some bits in the press (we all know what) that was not acceptable to the new leadership team which with the bad start to the season made us proceed slightly quicker than expected but honestly the plan was to have someone in by this current international break - NW was travelling from Cornwall on a weekly basis something also not sustainable long term. The main point here is NW was never a long term plan and yes it’s maybe a month or too sooner brought on by an identified target being available and NW speaking a little out of tern, if DM is the right choice who knows but if it wasn’t him it would be someone else and about the same time, either way as agreed NW was leaving So basically they were interfering with the managers schedule & no doubt NW was furious about that which is understandable, so does this mean DM is a 'yes' man & will adhere to the managements clocking in, clocking out style for the players?......Rewarding players with time off has been part of the English game for decades, as is hauling them in next day at 6am when they play shit.
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Post by dugnet on Oct 10, 2023 9:34:56 GMT 1
In which case we have to judge the "decision", and give it reasonable time. It is only natural that people will point to the change negatively if results don't go well. The rumour mill about why the decision was taken doesn't really help. Because both sides are saying the same thing,. I think on this occasion we should probably ignore the rumour mill. Moore seems to be getting some premature stick...even by Town fans standards it seems pretty knee-jerk. 4 games, 3 away from home.....3 draws and a defeat....1 very good performance, 1 decent one, one poor one and one awful one. can maybe start to judge him after 10 games IMO. I agree - the big issue DM has, created for himself, is the quality and encouraging nature of the Ipswich game. That was the benchmark against which I will judge him, that showed we had enough to stay in the Championship (realistically that is his target). Hogg being unavailable for Birmingham required a change but he was back on Saturday. As you say 10 games is the minimum to make an initial assessment.
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 10, 2023 9:58:12 GMT 1
- DM was identified as a possible option to come in, he could not come in sooner contractually. - NW said some bits in the press (we all know what) that was not acceptable to the new leadership team which with the bad start to the season made us proceed slightly quicker than expected but honestly the plan was to have someone in by this current international break So are you suggesting something along the lines of.... We hadn't fully settled on DM and were still looking at other options and working through the process, but having decided to boot NW, then DM was simply top of the list at the time? or expanded... We were going to give NW longer if he hadn't " made us proceed slightly quicker", and DM was prepared to sit around watching video's of our games whilst we waited for a 'better' time (such as this international break perhaps) and perhaps whilst we carried on looking for someone who was more compelling a choice than 'a possible' ? Can't wait for episode 5 of the Youtube series! 🤔
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 10, 2023 10:07:56 GMT 1
He did. I clearly remember the Maskell missed penalty and going there on, I think, the old Gold Rider bus.[/quote Gold Rider bus! That is a blast from the past 👍 Used to sing the Bon Jovi classic... Gold Rider In a steel horse I ride I'm wanted, dead or alive ...for no fathomable reason! (other than being a bit drunk!)
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Post by castlehillterrier on Oct 10, 2023 10:10:29 GMT 1
- DM was identified as a possible option to come in, he could not come in sooner contractually. - NW said some bits in the press (we all know what) that was not acceptable to the new leadership team which with the bad start to the season made us proceed slightly quicker than expected but honestly the plan was to have someone in by this current international break So are you suggesting.... We hadn't fully settled on DM and were still looking at other options and working through the process, but having decided to boot NW, then DM was simply top of the list at the time? or We were going to give NW longer if he hadn't " made us proceed slightly quicker", and DM was prepared to sit around watching video's of our games whilst we waited for a 'better' time (such as this international break perhaps) and perhaps whilst we carried on looking for someone who was more compelling a choice than 'a possible' ? Can't wait for episode 5 of the Youtube series! 🤔 many options for the next manager had been discussed during the process and the club will even be looking now for who they think could be next not because DM is under pressure but because this is how all football clubs work you need a plan in place for every possibly scenario. DM the more he was spoken to moved to the top of the list and the number 1 choice, we acted as soon as Darren was available so we didnt lose him to another club, other championship jobs will be avaialble soon and Darren would have been a strong canditate for any of them, we did move a little quicker due to the fact some frustrations with NW had started to show up but we are only talking a month or so at the most, we had already identified DM as a strong option just decieded to speak to him a little sooner than expected due to frustrations.
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Post by royrace on Oct 10, 2023 10:17:17 GMT 1
- NW agreed a contract to stay until a replacement was found this could have been anytime from first game to last game of the season. - NW was not in training enough for KN and the new team this was agreed but long term not sustainable, players had way too much time off or without the manager in attendance - DM was identified as a possible option to come in, he could not come in sooner contractually. - NW said some bits in the press (we all know what) that was not acceptable to the new leadership team which with the bad start to the season made us proceed slightly quicker than expected but honestly the plan was to have someone in by this current international break - NW was travelling from Cornwall on a weekly basis something also not sustainable long term. The main point here is NW was never a long term plan and yes it’s maybe a month or too sooner brought on by an identified target being available and NW speaking a little out of tern, if DM is the right choice who knows but if it wasn’t him it would be someone else and about the same time, either way as agreed NW was leaving So basically they were interfering with the managers schedule & no doubt NW was furious about that which is understandable, so does this mean DM is a 'yes' man & will adhere to the managements clocking in, clocking out style for the players?......Rewarding players with time off has been part of the English game for decades, as is hauling them in next day at 6am when they play shit. Surely the club was well aware NW wouldn't be operating like a normal manager and if it didn't then it was extremely naive especially since it had seen him in action for the last few months! They begged him to stay on, he's 74, of course it would be entirely on his terms! I just think the Twitter spat did for him, the stuff mentioned above is just an attempt to justify the action. What manager would be happy with Tom Edwards and no strikers after letting all those players leave. It's obvious to anyone who can think for themselves that it wasn't always the plan. If a brilliant, stand out, in demand, once in a lifetime opportunity arose to recruit a top coach I could perhaps understand it. With all due respect DM is far from that.
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Post by royrace on Oct 10, 2023 10:20:15 GMT 1
So are you suggesting.... We hadn't fully settled on DM and were still looking at other options and working through the process, but having decided to boot NW, then DM was simply top of the list at the time? or We were going to give NW longer if he hadn't " made us proceed slightly quicker", and DM was prepared to sit around watching video's of our games whilst we waited for a 'better' time (such as this international break perhaps) and perhaps whilst we carried on looking for someone who was more compelling a choice than 'a possible' ? Can't wait for episode 5 of the Youtube series! 🤔 many options for the next manager had been discussed during the process and the club will even be looking now for who they think could be next not because DM is under pressure but because this is how all football clubs work you need a plan in place for every possibly scenario. DM the more he was spoken to moved to the top of the list and the number 1 choice, we acted as soon as Darren was available so we didnt lose him to another club, other championship jobs will be avaialble soon and Darren would have been a strong canditate for any of them, we did move a little quicker due to the fact some frustrations with NW had started to show up but we are only talking a month or so at the most, we had already identified DM as a strong option just decieded to speak to him a little sooner than expected due to frustrations. I couldn't see DM getting a championship job until town appointed him. He was one game away from the sack at a league one club before he left.
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 10, 2023 10:25:48 GMT 1
many options for the next manager had been discussed during the process and the club will even be looking now for who they think could be next not because DM is under pressure but because this is how all football clubs work you need a plan in place for every possibly scenario. DM the more he was spoken to moved to the top of the list and the number 1 choice, we acted as soon as Darren was available so we didnt lose him to another club, other championship jobs will be avaialble soon and Darren would have been a strong canditate for any of them, we did move a little quicker due to the fact some frustrations with NW had started to show up but we are only talking a month or so at the most, we had already identified DM as a strong option just decieded to speak to him a little sooner than expected due to frustrations. I couldn't see DM getting a championship job until town appointed him. He was one game away from the sack at a league one club before he left. I disagree with this. He has done well at a few clubs and a promotion on his CV would certainly have made him an attractive option to some championship clubs. Maybe not your Leicesters or Norwich but without a doubt the likes of QPR, Rotherham, et al
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Post by royrace on Oct 10, 2023 10:34:02 GMT 1
I couldn't see DM getting a championship job until town appointed him. He was one game away from the sack at a league one club before he left. I disagree with this. He has done well at a few clubs and a promotion on his CV would certainly have made him an attractive option to some championship clubs. Maybe not your Leicesters or Norwich but without a doubt the likes of QPR, Rotherham, et al Fair enough, all about opinions, I guess you're right, maybe a lower end team would have interviewed him but he's not an ambitious appointment by any stretch imo which was my point really. I don't think it's an appointment worth getting rid of the guy that's going to keep the team in the championship this season despite the weak squad.
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Oct 10, 2023 10:37:27 GMT 1
So are you suggesting.... We hadn't fully settled on DM and were still looking at other options and working through the process, but having decided to boot NW, then DM was simply top of the list at the time? or We were going to give NW longer if he hadn't " made us proceed slightly quicker", and DM was prepared to sit around watching video's of our games whilst we waited for a 'better' time (such as this international break perhaps) and perhaps whilst we carried on looking for someone who was more compelling a choice than 'a possible' ? Can't wait for episode 5 of the Youtube series! 🤔 many options for the next manager had been discussed during the process and the club will even be looking now for who they think could be next not because DM is under pressure but because this is how all football clubs work you need a plan in place for every possibly scenario. DM the more he was spoken to moved to the top of the list and the number 1 choice, we acted as soon as Darren was available so we didnt lose him to another club, other championship jobs will be avaialble soon and Darren would have been a strong canditate for any of them, we did move a little quicker due to the fact some frustrations with NW had started to show up but we are only talking a month or so at the most, we had already identified DM as a strong option just decieded to speak to him a little sooner than expected due to frustrations. Out of interest on that second point "DM the more he was spoken to moved to the top of the list", was this down to him seeming a very decent person who cares about the club and community more than his ability to play attacking football I assume? If it was based on a 'football decision' it is surprising (based on the interviews we have seen so far), admittedly it may improve in time once he has more time to settle into things as hopefully will his teams style of football.
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