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Post by sabailand on Oct 22, 2023 13:21:11 GMT 1
Warnock did not have the opportunity to follow someone who managed to knock our players in to a team. Moore obviously stepped into a steady ship, and he appears to have made the cabin boy the navigator. Roger the Cabin boy said Seamen Stains. ....and while on topic whoever created the magic roundabout was definitely on LSD.
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Post by rockwall on Oct 22, 2023 13:21:54 GMT 1
Moore 6 points from 1st 5 Warnock 4 points from 1st 5. You're correct facts are facts .... ........but I'm not sure you're doing yourself (or DM TBF) any favours starting that comparison. How likely do you think 33 points from 22 games is? But I am stating after 5 games not 22. them 5 games under Neil were just as dull if not worse than yesterday. My point being it takes managers a few games to get the players going how they want. From game 6 onwards Neil's way got results consistently. Moore now has to show the same starting Tuesday!
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Post by mosher on Oct 22, 2023 13:28:10 GMT 1
ha ha I had forgotten that the QPR manager is that metal thrasher wannabe with the long hair and leather jacket. Utter nob. Oi
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Post by detox on Oct 22, 2023 13:33:14 GMT 1
Warnock managed 2 wins from 7 games this season (4 at home) , with 3 defeats.
Moore has one win and one defeat from 5.(2 at home)
Warnock knew the players while Moore is on a learning curve,.
Anyway we've only lost one game in our last eight so steady away..
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Post by dugnet on Oct 22, 2023 13:52:23 GMT 1
I didn't get to the game yesterday so it is difficult to comment but the reality is we have to allow both DM and Mr Nagle the time to succeed, or fail.
DM has one good/encouraging performance so far (against Ipswich), he is apparently still trying to find what he thinks is best team is. My one observation would be this; Given NW had got the team playing OK, after a tough start, and he can't add to the squad,why not simply keep going with what NW left? The only benchmark I have for DM is keeping Town in the Championship. I suspect we will see similar performances to yesterday, certainly between now and January. Hopefully we keep picking up points in that period. If, and I don't see January being a significant window (happy to be proved wrong/surprised), we do pick the points up DM must be judged on that first, and performances 2nd.
As for Mr Nagle, he deserves the same consideration and patience. He continues to engage and I think he wants to learn and is learning both about Town, and the fanbase.
Given the frustrations of recent seasons expecting patience from the fanbase isn't easy. Unfortunately patience is required because Mr Nagle is essentially starting from scratch, and I think we need to remember that. However if results on the pitch aren't achieved the frustration and negativity will increase.
Best case is DM gets results, he is, modestly, supported in January and Mr Nagle keeps the communication up. Anything slightly less will see the rancour intensify.
Here's, as ever, hoping for the best.
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 22, 2023 13:58:54 GMT 1
ha ha I had forgotten that the QPR manager is that metal thrasher wannabe with the long hair and leather jacket. Utter nob. My cousin used to play for QPR Ladies and met Gareth Ainsworth a few months ago when they were opening a new training complex there. Apparently he's a really nice bloke, properly down to earth and an all round lovely chap. Crap manager, mind.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Oct 22, 2023 14:01:24 GMT 1
Let’s hope Nagle isn’t following Andy Holt of Accrington Stanley on Twitter and thinking ‘this looks like a sensible approach to employ on social media’ 🙈
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 22, 2023 14:11:14 GMT 1
Your facts are facts in your own head. That's why you get a 'LOL ... penis' every week. No need for mods intervention with bans because I'm living rent free. Moore 6 points from 1st 5 Warnock 4 points from 1st 5. It isn't made up. It's not in my head. Living rent free? You're the one who pipes up with a pointless comment each week. Mind, Colins first 5 games were against much better teams than Big Daves
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Post by sapphireblue on Oct 22, 2023 14:21:39 GMT 1
Am I allowed to like both Neil and Darren (and trust Dean and Kev about the same amount for that matter)? Or do I have to pick a side?
What I will say is that after the past few games, Simon Ireland hasn't exactly started very well.
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Post by benhomly on Oct 22, 2023 14:24:00 GMT 1
Am I allowed to like both Neil and Darren (and trust Dean and Kev about the same amount for that matter)? Or do I have to pick a side? What I will say is that after the past few games, Simon Ireland hasn't exactly started very well. was saying the same at the game yesterday.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 22, 2023 14:25:16 GMT 1
If you go back to mid March (17th) when Wendies started to hit the buffers then DM has just recorded his 6th league win from 23 outings.......That's his current form, will it keep us up? Irrelevant. Different season, different division, different club. The focus is this season at this club. We're on 14 points from 12 games. Warnock averaged 1.14 points a game after 7 games. Moore is currently averaging 1.2 points a game after 5 games. Moore's played Ipswich, the other 4 will be nowhere near the top 6
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 22, 2023 14:28:46 GMT 1
Let’s hope Nagle isn’t following Andy Holt of Accrington Stanley on Twitter and thinking ‘this looks like a sensible approach to employ on social media’ 🙈 Just put the club up for sale, hasn't he.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 22, 2023 14:29:25 GMT 1
ha ha I had forgotten that the QPR manager is that metal thrasher wannabe with the long hair and leather jacket. Utter nob. My cousin used to play for QPR Ladies and met Gareth Ainsworth a few months ago when they were opening a new training complex there. Apparently he's a really nice bloke, properly down to earth and an all round lovely chap. Crap manager, mind. Did alright at Wycombe
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 22, 2023 15:02:53 GMT 1
Irrelevant. Different season, different division, different club. The focus is this season at this club. We're on 14 points from 12 games. Warnock averaged 1.14 points a game after 7 games. Moore is currently averaging 1.2 points a game after 5 games. Moore's played Ipswich, the other 4 will be nowhere near the top 6 Birmingham are currently 7th and have been in and around the top 6 all season. The only time Ipswich have dropped points away so far was at our place. Under Warnock we played Leicester at home, West Brom and Norwich who are currently 9th and 10th. The only win for Norwich on the road this season was when they demolished us. Coventry and Middlesbrough away were similar teams and the same result. Same with Rotherham and QPR at home. Plymouth away was a hammering and Sheff W was a poor 0-0. I'd say the games were fairly comparable all in all.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 22, 2023 15:04:49 GMT 1
So are we now saying Warnock was rubbish?
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 22, 2023 15:05:14 GMT 1
Moore's played Ipswich, the other 4 will be nowhere near the top 6 Birmingham are currently 7th and have been in and around the top 6 all season. The only time Ipswich have dropped points away so far was at our place. Under Warnock we played Leicester at home, West Brom and Norwich who are currently 9th and 10th. The only win for Norwich on the road this season was when they demolished us. Coventry and Middlesbrough away were similar teams and the same result. Same with Rotherham and QPR at home. Plymouth away was a hammering and Sheff W was a poor 0-0. I'd say the games were fairly comparable all in all. Birmingham had been shit but still buttfucked us, scoring 4 when they'd only managed 8 all season.
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Post by CurlyWurly on Oct 22, 2023 15:14:17 GMT 1
Your facts are facts in your own head. That's why you get a 'LOL ... penis' every week. No need for mods intervention with bans because I'm living rent free. Moore 6 points from 1st 5 Warnock 4 points from 1st 5. It isn't made up. It's not in my head. Living rent free? You're the one who pipes up with a pointless comment each week. This points comparison doesn't work for me. Warnock came in to an absolutely tragic team. Stoke away Wigan away under Chicho were as pathetic as I can remember for a long time and probably our lowest ebb for 2 decadesish. At the start of his reign, Nichols was injured, Sorba was at Blackburn, Koroma was running his contract down, Matty Lowton was playing and Waghorn was out striker.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 22, 2023 15:16:12 GMT 1
So are we now saying Warnock was rubbish? Stupid comment. If you look at this season in context, we're no better or worse of under Moore than under Warnock. It's a results business. We had 8 points from 7 when Warnock left, reading some comments on here you'd think we were riding high at the top of the league, which certainly wasn't the case. We've seen the good, the bad and the ugly this season under both managers and the PPG is nearly exactly the same. I don't understand why Moore is getting such a hard time by some, even after a win. He's only been here a month or so. They've both got/had the same limited squad to work with, which is the main issue. For what it's worth, Warnock is my all time favourite manager at town.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Oct 22, 2023 15:20:25 GMT 1
If you go back to mid March (17th) when Wendies started to hit the buffers then DM has just recorded his 6th league win from 23 outings.......That's his current form, will it keep us up? 6 from 17 not 23 and add to that 7 draws in that time. That gives a return of 25 points from 17 games which would comfortably keep us up. This bashing of Nagle and Moore on here is embarrassing. * Edit - you're also not including 2 wins in 3 play off games which make his stats even better. Ah but play off games do not count as league games. *runs into bunker*
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 22, 2023 15:20:53 GMT 1
So are we now saying Warnock was rubbish? Stupid comment. If you look at this season in context, we're no better or worse of under Moore than under Warnock. It's a results business. We had 8 points from 7 when Warnock left, reading some comments on here you'd think we were riding high at the top of the league, which certainly wasn't the case. We've seen the good, the bad and the ugly this season under both managers and the PPG is nearly exactly the same. I don't understand why Moore is getting such a hard time by some, even after a win. He's only been here a month or so. They've both got/had the same limited squad to work with, which is the main issue. For what it's worth, Warnock is my all time favourite manager at town. I only asked a fucking question. Jesus wept.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 22, 2023 15:21:46 GMT 1
Stupid comment. If you look at this season in context, we're no better or worse of under Moore than under Warnock. It's a results business. We had 8 points from 7 when Warnock left, reading some comments on here you'd think we were riding high at the top of the league, which certainly wasn't the case. We've seen the good, the bad and the ugly this season under both managers and the PPG is nearly exactly the same. I don't understand why Moore is getting such a hard time by some, even after a win. He's only been here a month or so. They've both got/had the same limited squad to work with, which is the main issue. For what it's worth, Warnock is my all time favourite manager at town. I only asked a fucking question. Jesus wept. A stupid fucking question at that.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 22, 2023 15:53:54 GMT 1
I only asked a fucking question. Jesus wept. A stupid fucking question at that. Tell someone who gives a fuck.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 22, 2023 15:59:52 GMT 1
A stupid fucking question at that. Tell someone who gives a fuck. I've just had a look in my big bag of fucks and I haven't got one for you either..
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 22, 2023 16:07:25 GMT 1
Tell someone who gives a fuck. I've just had a look in my big bag of fucks and I haven't got one for you either.. Good, I'm fucking glad.
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Post by dezzly on Oct 22, 2023 16:07:31 GMT 1
So are we now saying Warnock was rubbish? Stupid comment. If you look at this season in context, we're no better or worse of under Moore than under Warnock. It's a results business. We had 8 points from 7 when Warnock left, reading some comments on here you'd think we were riding high at the top of the league, which certainly wasn't the case. We've seen the good, the bad and the ugly this season under both managers and the PPG is nearly exactly the same. I don't understand why Moore is getting such a hard time by some, even after a win. He's only been here a month or so. They've both got/had the same limited squad to work with, which is the main issue. For what it's worth, Warnock is my all time favourite manager at town. Agree with all this 100% It’s a different conversation but I reckon we’re a decent right back/wing back a midfielder who can pass the bloody ball and even a half decent striker off probably not looking a bad side.problem is we don’t have them and it shows. The midfielder who could dictate a game after going two up yesterday is exactly what we need.a right back who could also play at wing back would mean could get sorba higher up the pitch although he still does a job at wing back.been able to play a 4 would also get rid of having to use Koroma at wing back because I don’t think he’s suited to it. And obviously we are limited up top so someone who can play centrally on their own as another option to ward and harratt would be massive. I think we just have to muddle through to January and hope we can actually get those signings done,or at least 2/3 of them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2023 16:10:05 GMT 1
I'm far from a fan of DM at this stage and his tactics/lineups prior to the QPR game but I think some of the comments here have been a little harsh.
I personally think he picked our best 11 and system on the day.
I think starting with Koroma on the left was taking the initiative and going for it. Koroma can be a match winner in a team short of goals and could have it in him to replicate what Sorba does at RWB. It's not like Koroma was playing LB of a back 4.
Wiles - Goodness me, I want him to succeed but yet again he looked knackered and non existent again after 20 minutes.. like someone mentioned earlier, he needs a goal.
The Zorg - Dived twice today, glad he got booked for it. He has dived a few times in previous games too and he just isn't good at it. Can see Koroma and Sorba visibly frustrated with him when he loses possession/doesn't pick the right pass in the final third; they don't even try to hide it. Given we failed "again" to put our hand in our pocket for a striker this summer I think we could've done worse; he's a handful and got a goal in him.
I don't think the subs were that bad either. Headley for Koroma was the right move.
Zorg off, Hudlin on likewise didn't offend me. I can't recall the other.
I hope DM finally sees that if it's not broken, don't try to fix it and be a hero.
3-5-2 and round pegs in round holes and we should be capable of staying up.
Helik - Man mountain. (again)
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Post by waggers on Oct 22, 2023 16:50:34 GMT 1
Moore 6 points from 1st 5 Warnock 4 points from 1st 5. It isn't made up. It's not in my head. Living rent free? You're the one who pipes up with a pointless comment each week. Mind, Colins first 5 games were against much better teams than Big Daves He was also taking over a squad managed and controlled by Foz.... It isn't a fair comparison we were dead when Warnock took over.
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Post by boooothy on Oct 22, 2023 17:05:15 GMT 1
You could argue that a new manager can have very little impact in the first few games, it’s what they are left.
Having said that it only took 90 minutes to realise Chris Powell was as boring as feck, or that Wagner was going to be a good watch.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 22, 2023 17:15:48 GMT 1
Maybe the match day threads aren’t the place to voice opinions on the comparisons of previous and current Managers & Chairmen?
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Post by rab030 on Oct 22, 2023 17:16:42 GMT 1
So are we now saying Warnock was rubbish? No -.we are saying he’s history and no longer our manager. Did a great job and added a shit load more cash to his pension pot. He was hoping for a bit more but we decided it was time to try and move forwards. Let’s get behind what we have and keep our fingers crossed that we buy a striker in January. Hopefully NW will have a new club by then and he will be able to persuade the owners to offer £10m for the superstar Danny Ward.
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