Tiro
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Post by Tiro on Oct 22, 2023 17:17:17 GMT 1
I don’t think we’re any worse or any better than under Warnock: we had a few decent performances under NW, but we also played some absolute shite.
I thought we were OK the first 45, we got sloppy and complacent at times however and that paved the way for the second half. I thought we were shite second half and I really struggled to identify what we were trying to to do. Some of the subs were also quite debatable. But, having said that, I didn’t feel like we’d lose. I think we need to remember we’re a side not really not experienced in taking the lead and having to manage large parts of the game - we showed a lot of naivety. Hopefully that changes over time.
DM will do OK for us, no more, no less. In five - ten years time I think he’ll fit into the same bracket as Robins and Powell; unmemorable.
I’ve seen some criticism of Burgzorg about his theatrics: I don’t mind it and it’s about time we had a player willing to to get in those positions and ask the question. We’re too soft at times and then too quick to feel aggrieved when the oppo does it to us.
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 22, 2023 17:42:05 GMT 1
Stupid comment. If you look at this season in context, we're no better or worse of under Moore than under Warnock. It's a results business. We had 8 points from 7 when Warnock left, reading some comments on here you'd think we were riding high at the top of the league, which certainly wasn't the case. We've seen the good, the bad and the ugly this season under both managers and the PPG is nearly exactly the same. I don't understand why Moore is getting such a hard time by some, even after a win. He's only been here a month or so. They've both got/had the same limited squad to work with, which is the main issue. For what it's worth, Warnock is my all time favourite manager at town. I only asked a fucking question. Jesus wept. So aggressive 😆
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 22, 2023 17:42:30 GMT 1
I only asked a fucking question. Jesus wept. So aggressive 😆 You haven't even seen aggressive.
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 22, 2023 17:44:28 GMT 1
You haven't even seen aggressive. 😆
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 22, 2023 17:45:36 GMT 1
You haven't even seen aggressive. 😆 Boo hoo, I said fuck. Get over it.
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Tinpot
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 22, 2023 18:31:28 GMT 1
What I will say is that after the past few games, Simon Ireland hasn't exactly started very well. By my recollection he never did. One of those players that was far better coming off the bench.
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 22, 2023 18:36:25 GMT 1
Maybe the match day threads aren’t the place to voice opinions on the comparisons of previous and current Managers & Chairmen? I'd start a thread to compare Nagle to Hoyle or Warnock to Moore, but we'd only spend the whole time dissecting QPR at home on it.
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 22, 2023 19:14:00 GMT 1
Can somebody on Twatter tell him we don't want music played after a goal. That is embarrassing! Plenty have replied. Worrying that he sees that as a solution. Why is it worrying, its ONE potential action that could be taken to try and increase noise. He writes, "Want more noise. Thought about brief music after a goal too. Have some other thoughts. Open to what supporters have to say." I interpret that as a perfectly reasonable > "We want more noise, and brief music being played after a goal was one thought, but I also have other thoughts, and am also open to what supporters might have as suggestions". 🤷♂️
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 22, 2023 19:20:37 GMT 1
All these comments about how Nagle 'doesn't get it' just because he offers an alternative to improve atmosphere. Lots of clubs use goal music. Every German club I have been to uses goal music and they have fantastic atmospheres in general. Why is Nagle's comment so wrong? Not saying I want goal music or that it would improve what was a flat stadium yesterday, but equally it isn't a suggestion that should cause Nagle to be derided for. He is engaging with fans and looking for solutions/improvements and open to suggestions. Surely that is the most important take. His main difficulty is he's not called Dean and Darren isn't called Neil. We have a very odd fanbase! 🤷♂️😆
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 22, 2023 19:28:19 GMT 1
All these comments about how Nagle 'doesn't get it' just because he offers an alternative to improve atmosphere. Lots of clubs use goal music. Every German club I have been to uses goal music and they have fantastic atmospheres in general. Why is Nagle's comment so wrong? Not saying I want goal music or that it would improve what was a flat stadium yesterday, but equally it isn't a suggestion that should cause Nagle to be derided for. He is engaging with fans and looking for solutions/improvements and open to suggestions. Surely that is the most important take. His main difficulty is he's not called Dean and Darren isn't called Neil. We have a very odd fanbase! 🤷♂️😆 Absolute rubbish. What has Nagle done so far that has improved the club? Up until yesterday Moore hadn't won a game.
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Post by harris on Oct 22, 2023 19:32:50 GMT 1
Plenty have replied. Worrying that he sees that as a solution. Why is it worrying, its ONE potential action that could be taken to try and increase noise. He writes, "Want more noise. Thought about brief music after a goal too. Have some other thoughts. Open to what supporters have to say." I interpret that as a perfectly reasonable > "We want more noise, and brief music being played after a goal was one thought, but I also have other thoughts, and am also open to what supporters might have as suggestions". 🤷♂️ Nailed it. The beauty of Kevin being on Twitter is he can instantly get the feedback on if the fans think it’s a good idea. It’s not absolutely ridiculous to suggest goal music either. Got to beat the instant drumming we get before we’ve had chances to celebrate the goal. Tbh - I hope we get to debate this more as it means we’re scoring plenty! 😀
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 22, 2023 19:47:04 GMT 1
His main difficulty is he's not called Dean and Darren isn't called Neil. We have a very odd fanbase! 🤷♂️😆 Absolute rubbish. What has Nagle done so far that has improved the club? Up until yesterday Moore hadn't won a game. 1. He's bought the club, preventing it from falling into administration. 2. Yes, and ?
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 22, 2023 20:08:06 GMT 1
Absolute rubbish. What has Nagle done so far that has improved the club? Up until yesterday Moore hadn't won a game. 1. He's bought the club, preventing it from falling into administration. 2. Yes, and ? 1. Not that old chestnut. 2. When a manager fails to win any of his first four games, the mood is hardly going to be positive, is it?
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Post by Sio on Oct 22, 2023 20:42:25 GMT 1
Plenty have replied. Worrying that he sees that as a solution. Why is it worrying, its ONE potential action that could be taken to try and increase noise. He writes, "Want more noise. Thought about brief music after a goal too. Have some other thoughts. Open to what supporters have to say." I interpret that as a perfectly reasonable > "We want more noise, and brief music being played after a goal was one thought, but I also have other thoughts, and am also open to what supporters might have as suggestions". 🤷♂️ Because one can infer that he sees goal music as being a solution to a wavering atmosphere - whether that's his only solution, or one of many. However you want to put it, it's a complete misread of UK atmospheres. Goal music would simply drown out the only decent moments of atmosphere we currently have. That said, he has seemed good at taking on feedback and so I'm confident he'll continue to do so with matters such as this.
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Post by sapphireblue on Oct 22, 2023 20:48:53 GMT 1
1. He's bought the club, preventing it from falling into administration. 2. Yes, and ? 1. Not that old chestnut. 2. When a manager fails to win any of his first four games, the mood is hardly going to be positive, is it? But it should improve when he wins his 5th.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 22, 2023 20:52:15 GMT 1
1. Not that old chestnut. 2. When a manager fails to win any of his first four games, the mood is hardly going to be positive, is it? But it should improve when he wins his 5th. Hopefully even more so if he wins his sixth.
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Post by sapphireblue on Oct 22, 2023 20:55:17 GMT 1
But it should improve when he wins his 5th. Hopefully even more so if he wins his sixth. I'd prefer him to lose his sixth and then win his seventh. Maybe just me?
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rab030
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Post by rab030 on Oct 22, 2023 20:56:48 GMT 1
1. Not that old chestnut. 2. When a manager fails to win any of his first four games, the mood is hardly going to be positive, is it? But it should improve when he wins his 5th. Only if you’re a proper fan….. Apparently it’s more fun to just moan about what might have been and how we would be playing silky winning football if NW had been given a few more games. I don’t get most of the posters on this forum - what do they actually want?
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 22, 2023 20:57:19 GMT 1
Hopefully even more so if he wins his sixth. I'd prefer him to lose his sixth and then win his seventh. Maybe just me? Doesn't really bother me. But I get your reasoning. One thing I can't abide are the accusations from fans who say 'You want us to lose just so you can moan'. I don't think any proper football fan ever wants their team to lose.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 22, 2023 20:58:06 GMT 1
But it should improve when he wins his 5th. Only if you’re a proper fan….. Apparently it’s more fun to just moan about what might have been and how we would be playing silky winning football if NW had been given a few more games. I don’t get most of the posters on this forum - what do they actually want? To enjoy what they watch on a Saturday and to get promoted. That's what I want anyway.
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Post by rab030 on Oct 22, 2023 20:59:00 GMT 1
Hopefully even more so if he wins his sixth. I'd prefer him to lose his sixth and then win his seventh. Maybe just me? Sixth and seventh would be even better🤷♂️ Got tickets to the game in Beeston but have a bad feeling 🤦♂️
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Post by rab030 on Oct 22, 2023 21:01:36 GMT 1
Only if you’re a proper fan….. Apparently it’s more fun to just moan about what might have been and how we would be playing silky winning football if NW had been given a few more games. I don’t get most of the posters on this forum - what do they actually want? To enjoy what they watch on a Saturday and to get promoted. That's what I want anyway. I meant realistically?? Also be careful what you wish for because last time it didn’t make for many enjoyable Saturdays.
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Post by sapphireblue on Oct 22, 2023 21:03:08 GMT 1
Only if you’re a proper fan….. Apparently it’s more fun to just moan about what might have been and how we would be playing silky winning football if NW had been given a few more games. I don’t get most of the posters on this forum - what do they actually want? To enjoy what they watch on a Saturday and to get promoted. That's what I want anyway. Normally I would agree 100%. But. I don't give a flying fucj about entertainment and enjoyment next Saturday. The worst ever victory, by any club ever, will do me.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 22, 2023 21:05:53 GMT 1
To enjoy what they watch on a Saturday and to get promoted. That's what I want anyway. I meant realistically?? Also be careful what you wish for because last time it didn’t make for many enjoyable Saturdays. It was certainly more enjoyable than most of last season and most of the seasons since 2018
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 22, 2023 21:07:15 GMT 1
To enjoy what they watch on a Saturday and to get promoted. That's what I want anyway. I meant realistically?? Also be careful what you wish for because last time it didn’t make for many enjoyable Saturdays. Surely every supporter of every club in the world wants to achieve success? Otherwise, what is the point of supporting? You support your club in the hope you'll either win promotion or win a trophy. That's the whole point.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 22, 2023 21:09:53 GMT 1
To enjoy what they watch on a Saturday and to get promoted. That's what I want anyway. Normally I would agree 100%. But. I don't give a flying fucj about entertainment and enjoyment next Saturday. The worst ever victory, by any club ever, will do me. I go to football to be entertained. There's been precious little of that for a long time down at Town, Warnock aside. I was entertained by Corberan in about two games in his whole tenure, similarly with Cowley and also Siewert. Wagner from 2015 to 2017 was absolutely fantastic until he lost the plot.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Oct 22, 2023 21:15:52 GMT 1
Plenty have replied. Worrying that he sees that as a solution. Why is it worrying, its ONE potential action that could be taken to try and increase noise. He writes, "Want more noise. Thought about brief music after a goal too. Have some other thoughts. Open to what supporters have to say." I interpret that as a perfectly reasonable > "We want more noise, and brief music being played after a goal was one thought, but I also have other thoughts, and am also open to what supporters might have as suggestions". 🤷♂️ I enjoy music after a goal as much as I’d enjoy seeing a band I’d paid to see come back on to do an encore and just play football crowd chants through a synth.
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Post by sapphireblue on Oct 22, 2023 21:40:36 GMT 1
They can have naked Scottsmen playing a banjo and bagpipe medley, with a mouth organ and whistling accompaniment, after every Town goal, as long it's at an average of three times a game.
(But no Genesis)
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 22, 2023 21:43:17 GMT 1
We did actually have goal music in the early 2000s. An instrumental version of Those Were The Days.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 22, 2023 21:46:08 GMT 1
They can have naked Scottsmen playing a banjo and bagpipe medley, with a mouth organ and whistling accompaniment, after every Town goal, as long it's at an average of three times a game. (But no Genesis) WESTIE !!!
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