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Post by Tinpot on May 11, 2024 12:54:03 GMT 1
Will it? I'm not so sure. Wrexham have silly money. Brum have a decent championship squad and a lot of money. Peterborough are always top end. Whichever one of Oxford and Bolton loses in the final will fancy themselves next season. If people are expecting us to take Lg1 by storm next season then I think they're in for disappointment. Totally agree although I’d question how Brum have a Championship quality squad. They’re no better than us and the table tells the tale. We have to get this managerial appointment right and get cracking asap. As you say, Wrexham have money and momentum, other sides are well accustomed to this league Whereas we are falling and looking a bit lost. Can all change very quickly though. John Eustace had them 6th. And whilst I don't think they'd have finished there if they'd kept him they would have almost certainly been top half and definitely stayed up IMO. Chaos tends to relegate clubs and they had 4 managers last season. That takes it's toll. |
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Post by Tinpot on May 11, 2024 12:59:09 GMT 1
I’ve never jumped on the Cartwright is to blame for everyone’s life issues from weather, colour of corner flags … I never thought it was fair to judge him last summer Delayed takeover etc - and in that role you need planning months in advance But no excuses this summer - should have had plenty contingencies for manager, transfer planning in each division. scenario. AB sorted early not 3w before the season like when Carlos quit and screwed us over. Edwards & Cartwright have to get it right, no excuses to hide behind. This. I'm not fully on board the Cartwright Out bandwagon myself. There are potentially mitigating factors that point to our failure not being entirely his fault - but even the happiest of clappers would surely struggle to defend him if we have another shit season. |
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Post by royrace on May 11, 2024 13:00:08 GMT 1
Makes you wonder what was said in that interview,I can't think of a single thing he's got right. Just seems to have been a succession of really poor decisions. On signings alone the only one that looks to have promise is Healey and he wasn't available for the majority of games. He's got a much bigger job on his hands now too. That's why I think we need a manager that knows the leagues and knows the players it needs, hopefully Cartwright will listen. I can think of plenty of things he's got right even though we don't know most of what he does on a day to day basis. I honestly can't, could you give some examples to cheer me up? |
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Post by Metch on May 11, 2024 13:21:56 GMT 1
I’ve never jumped on the Cartwright is to blame for everyone’s life issues from weather, colour of corner flags … I never thought it was fair to judge him last summer Delayed takeover etc - and in that role you need planning months in advance But no excuses this summer - should have had plenty contingencies for manager, transfer planning in each division. scenario. AB sorted early not 3w before the season like when Carlos quit and screwed us over. Edwards & Cartwright have to get it right, no excuses to hide behind. This. I'm not fully on board the Cartwright Out bandwagon myself. There are potentially mitigating factors that point to our failure not being entirely his fault - but even the happiest of clappers would surely struggle to defend him if we have another shit season. I don't think we have any clappers left, maybe only shortbread Pete? |
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Post by incognito on May 11, 2024 13:41:09 GMT 1
Wrexham’s turnover will have increased and ours reduced. They are flying and we’re currently a basket case. It's not inconceivable that Wrexham's turnover will be approaching double ours next season. I'd imagine ours will likely be around the £12 million mark in League One. Their League Two turnover this season is expected to hit the £20m mark. Theirs is now, in essence, a creepy Hollywood crowd-funding experiment. They've leveraged the Reynolds brand to the point that commercial revenues mean significant owner funding will no longer be required. |
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Post by Tinpot on May 11, 2024 20:38:15 GMT 1
This. I'm not fully on board the Cartwright Out bandwagon myself. There are potentially mitigating factors that point to our failure not being entirely his fault - but even the happiest of clappers would surely struggle to defend him if we have another shit season. I don't think we have any clappers left, maybe only shortbread Pete? Sorry. I'm a bit out of date. Happy bam-bam sticks. |
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Post by King Neil on May 11, 2024 20:59:05 GMT 1
Wrexham’s turnover will have increased and ours reduced. They are flying and we’re currently a basket case. It's not inconceivable that Wrexham's turnover will be approaching double ours next season. I'd imagine ours will likely be around the £12 million mark in League One. Their League Two turnover this season is expected to hit the £20m mark. Theirs is now, in essence, a creepy Hollywood crowd-funding experiment. They've leveraged the Reynolds brand to the point that commercial revenues mean significant owner funding will no longer be required. I wouldn't worry too much about them Will Boyle plays for them ffs...he got a mention on the latest episode of welcome to Wrexham..nowhere to be seen defending a cross Honestly this team of (so called) bad apples are Real Madrid in comparison to Wrexham Don't forget 18 draws...we are hard to beat at championship level..we're miles above league 1 standard nowadays... |
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Post by htafcokay on May 11, 2024 21:12:28 GMT 1
It's not inconceivable that Wrexham's turnover will be approaching double ours next season. I'd imagine ours will likely be around the £12 million mark in League One. Their League Two turnover this season is expected to hit the £20m mark. Theirs is now, in essence, a creepy Hollywood crowd-funding experiment. They've leveraged the Reynolds brand to the point that commercial revenues mean significant owner funding will no longer be required. I wouldn't worry too much about them Will Boyle plays for them ffs...he got a mention on the latest episode of welcome to Wrexham..nowhere to be seen defending a cross Honestly this team of (so called) bad apples are Real Madrid in comparison to Wrexham Don't forget 18 draws...we are hard to beat at championship level.. we're miles above league 1 standard nowadays...You are going to be in for a massive shock next season. |
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Post by King Neil on May 11, 2024 21:15:42 GMT 1
I wouldn't worry too much about them Will Boyle plays for them ffs...he got a mention on the latest episode of welcome to Wrexham..nowhere to be seen defending a cross Honestly this team of (so called) bad apples are Real Madrid in comparison to Wrexham Don't forget 18 draws...we are hard to beat at championship level.. we're miles above league 1 standard nowadays...You are going to be in for a massive shock next season. Keep the faith New manager..New season..New hope |
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Post by DuffMan on May 11, 2024 21:20:10 GMT 1
It's not inconceivable that Wrexham's turnover will be approaching double ours next season. I'd imagine ours will likely be around the £12 million mark in League One. Their League Two turnover this season is expected to hit the £20m mark. Theirs is now, in essence, a creepy Hollywood crowd-funding experiment. They've leveraged the Reynolds brand to the point that commercial revenues mean significant owner funding will no longer be required. I wouldn't worry too much about them Will Boyle plays for them ffs...he got a mention on the latest episode of welcome to Wrexham..nowhere to be seen defending a cross Honestly this team of (so called) bad apples are Real Madrid in comparison to Wrexham Don't forget 18 draws...we are hard to beat at championship level..we're miles above league 1 standard nowadays... Wow! |
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Post by utttrooper on May 11, 2024 21:23:18 GMT 1
It's not inconceivable that Wrexham's turnover will be approaching double ours next season. I'd imagine ours will likely be around the £12 million mark in League One. Their League Two turnover this season is expected to hit the £20m mark. Theirs is now, in essence, a creepy Hollywood crowd-funding experiment. They've leveraged the Reynolds brand to the point that commercial revenues mean significant owner funding will no longer be required. I wouldn't worry too much about them Will Boyle plays for them ffs...he got a mention on the latest episode of welcome to Wrexham..nowhere to be seen defending a cross Honestly this team of (so called) bad apples are Real Madrid in comparison to Wrexham Don't forget 18 draws...we are hard to beat at championship level..we're miles above league 1 standard nowadays... How dare you say that about one of the finest defenders of all time. |
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Post by King Neil on May 11, 2024 21:27:20 GMT 1
I wouldn't worry too much about them Will Boyle plays for them ffs...he got a mention on the latest episode of welcome to Wrexham..nowhere to be seen defending a cross Honestly this team of (so called) bad apples are Real Madrid in comparison to Wrexham Don't forget 18 draws...we are hard to beat at championship level..we're miles above league 1 standard nowadays... Wow! Glass half full..you need to try it |
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Post by DuffMan on May 11, 2024 21:28:31 GMT 1
Glass half full..you need to try it There is glass half full and there is delusion. A team you say was hard to beat lost 42% of its games last season. |
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on May 11, 2024 21:29:52 GMT 1
It's not inconceivable that Wrexham's turnover will be approaching double ours next season. I'd imagine ours will likely be around the £12 million mark in League One. Their League Two turnover this season is expected to hit the £20m mark. Theirs is now, in essence, a creepy Hollywood crowd-funding experiment. They've leveraged the Reynolds brand to the point that commercial revenues mean significant owner funding will no longer be required. I wouldn't worry too much about them Will Boyle plays for them ffs...he got a mention on the latest episode of welcome to Wrexham..nowhere to be seen defending a cross Honestly this team of (so called) bad apples are Real Madrid in comparison to Wrexham Don't forget 18 draws...we are hard to beat at championship level..we're miles above league 1 standard nowadays... Let's not forget that Blackburn made very light work of Wrexham in the FA Cup when they themselves were in a pretty bad run of league form. Even we'd beaten them 3-0 a few weeks before! This will be Wrexham's biggest relative step up yet and will need a lot of investment to make it. You can't just buy a squad of Championship has-beens/rejects like they did to get out of League Two. |
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Post by Moooooy on May 11, 2024 21:31:47 GMT 1
It's not inconceivable that Wrexham's turnover will be approaching double ours next season. I'd imagine ours will likely be around the £12 million mark in League One. Their League Two turnover this season is expected to hit the £20m mark. Theirs is now, in essence, a creepy Hollywood crowd-funding experiment. They've leveraged the Reynolds brand to the point that commercial revenues mean significant owner funding will no longer be required. I wouldn't worry too much about them Will Boyle plays for them ffs...he got a mention on the latest episode of welcome to Wrexham..nowhere to be seen defending a cross Honestly this team of (so called) bad apples are Real Madrid in comparison to Wrexham Don't forget 18 draws...we are hard to beat at championship level..we're miles above league 1 standard nowadays... The three teams promoted from League One last season all finished comfortably above us in the table. In Ipswich’s case they finished 51 points above us, and they didn’t even win League One. We are nowhere near Championship standard, and as it stands we will struggle in League One. |
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Post by King Neil on May 11, 2024 21:33:14 GMT 1
Glass half full..you need to try it There is glass half full and there is delusion. A team you say was hard to beat lost 42% of its games last season. Drawing from memory...I think we were 9th/10th with fewest defeats More then half the league lost more than us |
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Post by utttrooper on May 11, 2024 21:35:00 GMT 1
I wouldn't worry too much about them Will Boyle plays for them ffs...he got a mention on the latest episode of welcome to Wrexham..nowhere to be seen defending a cross Honestly this team of (so called) bad apples are Real Madrid in comparison to Wrexham Don't forget 18 draws...we are hard to beat at championship level..we're miles above league 1 standard nowadays... The three teams promoted from League One last season all finished comfortably above us in the table. In Ipswich’s case they finished 51 points above us, and they didn’t even win League One. We are nowhere near Championship standard, and as it stands we will struggle in League One. That doesn't really say much when Ipswich pulled off an absolute miracle, Plymouth are really well run and had one of the leagues tip scorers and Wednesday have an excellent manager. Also a Darren Moore side got over 90 points in a season in league 1 so there isn't that much need for worry. |
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Post by King Neil on May 11, 2024 21:36:31 GMT 1
8 teams lost more games than us this season
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Post by DuffMan on May 11, 2024 21:37:07 GMT 1
There is glass half full and there is delusion. A team you say was hard to beat lost 42% of its games last season. Drawing from memory...I think we were 9th/10th with fewest defeats More then half the league lost more than us More likely 12-15th I’d imagine, Carlos’s town team was hard to beat this one was not in fact we were incredibly easy to beat and usually folded once things went against them. |
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Post by Tinpot on May 12, 2024 7:16:49 GMT 1
It's not inconceivable that Wrexham's turnover will be approaching double ours next season. I'd imagine ours will likely be around the £12 million mark in League One. Their League Two turnover this season is expected to hit the £20m mark. Theirs is now, in essence, a creepy Hollywood crowd-funding experiment. They've leveraged the Reynolds brand to the point that commercial revenues mean significant owner funding will no longer be required. I wouldn't worry too much about them Will Boyle plays for them ffs...he got a mention on the latest episode of welcome to Wrexham..nowhere to be seen defending a cross Honestly this team of (so called) bad apples are Real Madrid in comparison to Wrexham Don't forget 18 draws...we are hard to beat at championship level..we're miles above league 1 standard nowadays... We're (hopefully!) going to lose a lot of these bad apples over the summer, and it largely depends what we replace them with. We don't yet know who the manager/head coach will be either. Given the scale of the rebuild required over the summer though, it will be one hell of an ask to have us pushing for promotion, let alone actually achieving it. How much Lg1 football have you watched recently? What I've seen - particularly from the sides at the top end of that division - suggests to me that a lot of Town fans are massively underestimating the quality in that division. |
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Post by hoggy1975 on May 12, 2024 8:53:45 GMT 1
Makes you wonder what was said in that interview,I can't think of a single thing he's got right. Just seems to have been a succession of really poor decisions. On signings alone the only one that looks to have promise is Healey and he wasn't available for the majority of games. He's got a much bigger job on his hands now too. That's why I think we need a manager that knows the leagues and knows the players it needs, hopefully Cartwright will listen. I can think of plenty of things he's got right even though we don't know most of what he does on a day to day basis. What did he get right? Genuinely curious as to what as I can’t think. I don’t blame him for the summer window but the January window and managerial appointments are on him. |
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Post by duncfost01 on May 12, 2024 9:09:15 GMT 1
I can’t think of thing he got right ?
Somebody please enlighten me.
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Post by dugnet on May 12, 2024 9:30:03 GMT 1
I think you can make a case for Cartwright probably having the most important role at the club, certainly as far as the 1st team is concerned. He must be responsible for setting the agenda, defining the, footballing, identity,and identifying the personnel to deliver that.
Based on the evidence that we can see ie on the pitch, consistently over the season, there has been little to convince anyone that any of choices he's responsible for have been encouraging. There are also suggestions, unsubstantiated, from parties potentially itk that his approach and manner do not create an atmosphere of harmony and collaboration. Yet despite what can reasonably described as doubts (about his performance/suitability) Mr Nagle has trusted him to be responsible for the most important reset we have had, potentially in a generation.
My perception is that as fans we are largely treated as clueless (as to how things work) and only care about what happens on the pitch. However when you consider the evidence on the pitch and the complete disharmony, as confirmed by AB, it doesn't take a rocket scientist that HTAFC is a pretty unpleasant place to be right now.
We have no choice but to trust Mr Nagle's judgement so MC has to step up and show he is not just able to demonstrate footballing nous but also create an atmosphere that breeds success.
I'd like to hear more from him and Edwards so we can understand how things work, and how they work. If Mr Nagle is trusting these key individuals to run the club day to day give them the challenge of building a relationship with supporters. Their roles are all about bringing people together so extend that to the key stakeholder group which is the people who support our club passionately. Doing that might build some bridges and change the perception that has been created.
Will we see better? I hope so, but I understand why people are less convinced and are becoming increasingly cynical.
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Post by King Neil on May 12, 2024 9:36:50 GMT 1
I wouldn't worry too much about them Will Boyle plays for them ffs...he got a mention on the latest episode of welcome to Wrexham..nowhere to be seen defending a cross Honestly this team of (so called) bad apples are Real Madrid in comparison to Wrexham Don't forget 18 draws...we are hard to beat at championship level..we're miles above league 1 standard nowadays... We're (hopefully!) going to lose a lot of these bad apples over the summer, and it largely depends what we replace them with. We don't yet know who the manager/head coach will be either. Given the scale of the rebuild required over the summer though, it will be one hell of an ask to have us pushing for promotion, let alone actually achieving it. How much Lg1 football have you watched recently? What I've seen - particularly from the sides at the top end of that division - suggests to me that a lot of Town fans are massively underestimating the quality in that division. I have seen quite a bit..I only watch the championship downwards..I can honestly tell you I haven't watched a single Premier league game all season...I hate everything about it as you know what the results are going to be before they have kicked off Bolton and pompey look half decent,but will both be fighting relegation next season..the main difference I can see is the defending is not very good..I would expect our current defence to cope quite well in league one..my main concern would be goals,but a fit rhys Healey should get a bag full and radulovics goal at Stoke suggests that there is a decent player in there somewhere If you look at the relegated championship teams each season most of them are in the top 8 the next season and challenging for promotion |
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Post by detox on May 12, 2024 10:01:20 GMT 1
If people are unsure about Cartwright,given his record over the past 12 months,then doesn't that extend to KN too.?
He's picked him, backed him and continues to back him. KN also still backed AB and wanted him to stay. He also continued to back DM long after the fans had given up on him.
It's not a good legacy so far, and yes I get loyalty and all that, but for me it's casting some doubts on KN.
His last diary he seemed a little more defensive, even a bit irritated at times when given fans questions.
As owner and chief decision maker his record so far doesn't fill me with confidence. I'm not knocking his overall plans for the JSS etc,and the investment he's making..but his staff selection has me worried.
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Post by JG Mellor on May 12, 2024 10:29:42 GMT 1
Unfortunately, I think we are reaping the rewards of being owned by a well meaning and successful businesses man (outside football), who is learning on the job. He isn't steeped in the history of English football and HTFC. I think he will have been shocked at the difference between US soccer and Championship football. The sooner he gets up to speed the better. His first job is to get a replacement for Cartwright, as many have already stated. I don't trust his judgement. I think he's a kiss as many women as you can, type of chap.
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Post by Tinpot on May 12, 2024 10:36:08 GMT 1
We're (hopefully!) going to lose a lot of these bad apples over the summer, and it largely depends what we replace them with. We don't yet know who the manager/head coach will be either. Given the scale of the rebuild required over the summer though, it will be one hell of an ask to have us pushing for promotion, let alone actually achieving it. How much Lg1 football have you watched recently? What I've seen - particularly from the sides at the top end of that division - suggests to me that a lot of Town fans are massively underestimating the quality in that division. I have seen quite a bit..I only watch the championship downwards..I can honestly tell you I haven't watched a single Premier league game all season...I hate everything about it as you know what the results are going to be before they have kicked off Bolton and pompey look half decent,but will both be fighting relegation next season..the main difference I can see is the defending is not very good..I would expect our current defence to cope quite well in league one..my main concern would be goals,but a fit rhys Healey should get a bag full and radulovics goal at Stoke suggests that there is a decent player in there somewhere If you look at the relegated championship teams each season most of them are in the top 8 the next season and challenging for promotion What's one of those? On a less facetious note I do find your post quite encouraging. I suspect part of my pessimism comes from decades of hope that proved to be false. Another part comes from seeing not just the state of our squad (especially - but not exclusively - the state of our midfield) but also what looks like a pretty horrible culture at the club. |
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Post by Sio on May 12, 2024 10:49:35 GMT 1
If people are unsure about Cartwright,given his record over the past 12 months,then doesn't that extend to KN too.? He's picked him, backed him and continues to back him. KN also still backed AB and wanted him to stay. He also continued to back DM long after the fans had given up on him. It's not a good legacy so far, and yes I get loyalty and all that, but for me it's casting some doubts on KN. His last diary he seemed a little more defensive, even a bit irritated at times when given fans questions. As owner and chief decision maker his record so far doesn't fill me with confidence. I'm not knocking his overall plans for the JSS etc,and the investment he's making..but his staff selection has me worried. This is my worry with Kevin. It's only been a year - and no less than a catastrophic failure - and he's already showing signs of someone on the defensive when questioned. Now fair enough, he has the right to be defensive regarding any personal attacks, but he's putting himself in this very public and accessible position so unfortunately it comes with the territory. On the flip side, the whole situation with 'Ginger Ogre' (Pozza) on Twitter is case in point for me. Pozza has only ever raised valid or legitimate concerns about this season, which in hindsight pretty much turned out to be true, yet Kevin feels the need to go on the defensive about it in public. Really poor, petulant behaviour. I hope we see the good sides of Kevin's character shine through because they're clearly there, but I think stubbornness, such as around Cartwright, might be a recurring theme. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on May 12, 2024 12:54:52 GMT 1
This may not necessarily be the best thread for this post of mine but I didn’t want to start a new thread for the sake of it. The key point I want to get across is how critical it is for the club to get the right manager in.
Many on here have posted how impressed they have been with Crawley Town’s performances in the playoffs, and are now suggesting that Town go for their manager Scott Lindsey. They’re suddenly in the spotlight for very good reasons.
It so happens that I watch CT fairly often, averaged half a dozen games or more for quite a few seasons, so I keep an eye on the club and read their (generally quiet) forum quite regularly, though I’m not registered on it.
There are actually quite a few similarities in Crawley’s recent history and that of Town’s and maybe there are a few lessons to be learned, both for the club itself and for the supporters.
A couple of summers ago Crawley Town were bought out; their new owners are WAGMI United (we’re all gonna make it), an oddball cryptocurrency company from the USA. Their owners are Preston Johnson and Eben Smith, a bearded hipster type and nerdish statistics geek respectively. They had some seriously alternative ideas about how the club would be run and flourish, the target was the PL within 10 years. At first their communication with the fans was frequent and inclusive. They appointed Kevin Betsy as the manager from Arsenal Academy, signed big (for them) including one of the L2 top scorers, Telford from Newport County on £4k a week.
Betsy insisted on playing from the back but did it to excess and fans became unhappy with performances and results. Crowds (never great) dropped to about 2k, sometimes less. Communication from the owners declined as fans became increasingly critical. Lots of talks about protests and unfulfilled promises. The owners were largely absent and delegated responsibility to a director of football (can’t recall his name) who didn’t communicate with fans and became almost an hated figure, blamed for everything.
A few months into the season Betsy was fired, replaced by a new manager, Matthew Etherington, who lasted about a month and left acrimoniously. One of the owners, Preston Johnson, flew over from the States and sat on the bench and “managed” the club for their game at Stevenage. Crazy behaviour and the fans were now rebellious.
Crawley then hired their third manager of the season in Scott Lindsey who had previously been at Swindon. Crawley remained poor (I saw Sutton easily beat them 3-0) but they managed to just avoid relegation. Opinions on Lindsey were mixed but Lindsey recently referred to the “lack of professionalism” in the squad when he arrived.
Last summer there was a huge turnover in the playing squad at Crawley, the “bad eggs” and the big earners, including Telford, left. They recruited new players, a number from non-league and a few experienced pro’s such as Liam Kelly. The rest is history and they’ve had an excellent season, one they were predicted to struggle in. This season I’ve only seen them five times, but they’ve impressed every time, knocking it about at the back sometimes too much (two absolute howlers against Colchester a month ago arguably relegated Sutton) but always having attacking intent, good to watch.
Crawley fans are now looking forward to Wembley for the first time. They’re happy, their discontent and concerns about the owners has largely disappeared. Maybe the American owners now understand English football and English football fans better, and maybe the fans now better understand and trust the American owners.
The catalyst to it all though is Scott Lindsey, the manager. After all, Crawley Town is a football club and the most important thing is the football. Get that right and everything else about the club will fall into place.
That is why this next managerial appointment is so critical.
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Post by town1971 on May 13, 2024 14:52:55 GMT 1
KN saying senior management duo JE and MC 'deserve another chance "despite overseeing the club's relegation to league 1 according to Stephen Page 13/4/24
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