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Post by Sparrow on Nov 4, 2024 23:05:38 GMT 1
I don't think that's his role though. How many CEOs have we had that seem actively involved in the fan-facing stuff? Maybe going all the way back to Clibbens to find that? Winter was very quiet, and then I can't even remember the names of others in that Dean period. Didn't Phil do the job for a while under his own chairmanship?! Edwards may or may not be doing his job right, but my point is that nothing suggests he isn't (perhaps other than not advising we show his mate the door). Cartwright is the Director of Football - he should literally be setting the agenda for how we do on the field. So far, he has outright failed. I agree but the point I was trying to make is that we don't really know if he's doing a good job because we've no idea what he does. Plus the fact is he's presided over a complete shambles on the pitch and some very silly decisions that have cost the club tens of millions. He's the CEO so how on earth does he get off scot free?? We don't know what he's done right but we do know he's been in charge of the shit show as a whole. I think Edwards is in charge of the Busines/Financial side of the football club, rather than the football side of things. That’s Cartwright job. jobs4football.com/career-insights-football-ceo/#:~:text=A%20Football%20Club%20CEO%20is,the%20club%20achieves%20its%20goals. He probably doesn’t do points 3 or 5 as Cartwright and Reeves will likely be in charge of those |
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Post by Richard1986 on Nov 5, 2024 0:39:53 GMT 1
Serious squad strengthening needed in January.
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Post by willo on Nov 5, 2024 1:47:25 GMT 1
Serious squad strengthening needed in January. Let’s hope that goes better than last January then but I wouldn’t hold your breath. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Nov 5, 2024 6:54:04 GMT 1
Nail on head. The fact he's concentrating on fans giving the players abuse on Friday night tells you all you need to know. Can you imagine any other chairman having that as the takeaway after a result like that. Just more excuses. He desperately needs to listen to people who know, problem is the likes of Baldwin, Warnock and Hough have been dispensed with. Feels like he's just being fed a load of shit tbh and he's no way of knowing any different. He desperately needs some outside experienced advice. Problem I guess is that Edwards and carthorse are a pair? Can he get rid of one without the other? They’re a trio, the “Three Musketeers”, that seems to be the deal, unfortunately. |
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Post by cyberman on Nov 5, 2024 7:18:23 GMT 1
Serious squad strengthening needed in January. Let’s hope that goes better than last January then but I wouldn’t hold your breath. Methinks that will depend where we are in the league. Relegation looms or threaten - more panic buying Mid table and safe - outs but no ins I would think (with the excuse its always a bad time to buy in the Jan window and we are going to re-assess in the summer Top 2 - highly unlikely and if we are the "squad" will be good rnough to get us up Playoff - possibility of buy some overpriced shite that other teams will have our pants down for and who will be at best bang average or worse a clone of the shite we have bought in the Jan window before. |
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Post by dugnet on Nov 5, 2024 8:55:33 GMT 1
For all the comments about MC it's a simple equation. He is judged by what we see on the pitch. The clue is in his job title.
It simply hasn't been good enough so far.
How long he gets is down to Mr Nagle but if things don't significantly improve the question will remain about why he's still trusted and supported.
For the record I cannot believe that there is any contractual commitment with Beswick Sports to keep him or anyone in post. It would be a ludicrous example of the tale wagging the dog.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 5, 2024 8:58:40 GMT 1
Let’s hope that goes better than last January then but I wouldn’t hold your breath. Methinks that will depend where we are in the league. Relegation looms or threaten - more panic buying Mid table and safe - outs but no ins I would think (with the excuse its always a bad time to buy in the Jan window and we are going to re-assess in the summer Top 2 - highly unlikely and if we are the "squad" will be good rnough to get us up Playoff - possibility of buy some overpriced shite that other teams will have our pants down for and who will be at best bang average or worse a clone of the shite we have bought in the Jan window before. That’s a fair assessment. It’s an obvious point, given that we ended up in the PL back then, but the difference between now and then in terms of our recruitment is like night & day. Part of the problem was chasing rainbows when we reached the PL and had a desire to try and compete in what must be one of the unfairest competitions in the world. Casino football has just claimed another victim. I’d hazard a guess that most clubs like Town, who have a fleeting moment in the PL, end up paying for that journey in the season’s afterwards. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 5, 2024 9:13:31 GMT 1
For all the comments about MC it's a simple equation. He is judged by what we see on the pitch. The clue is in his job title. It simply hasn't been good enough so far. How long he gets is down to Mr Nagle but if things don't significantly improve the question will remain about why he's still trusted and supported. For the record I cannot believe that there is any contractual commitment with Beswick Sports to keep him or anyone in post. It would be a ludicrous example of the tale wagging the dog. I’ve mentioned the tail wagging the dog thing Dugnet. I see two types of foreign ownership in English football. The first is owners who have little understanding of the game, but see the purchase as an obvious commercial vehicle. They can use those clubs to generate massive revenue, but they have to also throw shitloads of cash at their new toys to make the commercial vehicle work. They’re also the sort of owners who think they’re above rules of fair play. Most of those are people who don’t get football, but there are a select few with the same principles but do at least understand football. Then there’s the ones who don’t understand the game and for whatever reason try and do it right, or aren’t willing to take the course ploughed by the likes of Man C, Newcastle and others. You have a great example of 3 American owners in L1, which for me is a good example of this. Brum, chucking money at it like there’s no tomorrow, but will they be able to sustain that if they move to higher levels within a reasonably short space of time? Wrexham, a great example of how football is turning into an entertainment business. I’m not sure if there owners really get Wrexham, or they’re just riding the wave of success right now? Then there’s Town, a good example of a club that’s trying to build, but in what seems like a more traditional way. But we’ve not got a thing’ like those other 2 clubs above us, and our owner is massively reliant on trusting people who he thinks will get us there. Modern football has increased the number of chancers into back office management roles because there’s a massive carrot being dangled, and it’s seen a huge shift to a more commercialised operation. Football clubs were always businesses and had to operate as such, but it’s morphed into boom and bust cycles, and the only thing I blame personally for that, is the huge influx of cash into the game. All that cash and a more unstable and unfair playing field. Football is knackered really. It won’t stop me watching, but in 20-30 years time I don’t think people will be batting an eyelid at the bias in the game. |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 5, 2024 9:30:20 GMT 1
For all the comments about MC it's a simple equation. He is judged by what we see on the pitch. The clue is in his job title. It simply hasn't been good enough so far. How long he gets is down to Mr Nagle but if things don't significantly improve the question will remain about why he's still trusted and supported. For the record I cannot believe that there is any contractual commitment with Beswick Sports to keep him or anyone in post. It would be a ludicrous example of the tale wagging the dog. DTS comments on Beswick Sports recently, confirming that… www.htsa-web.com/post/meeting-minutes-of-the-all-together-town-att-panel-19-10-2024(Although on another point made in those notes,you only have to go here to see how many agencies there are operating out of the UK… www.transfermarkt.com/berater/beraterfirmenuebersicht/berater?landId=264 there is a big 4 (that DOESNT include Beswick) representing Premier League players, then roughly another ten who have representation of a similar order to what Beswicks do, before you hit all the smaller agencies) |
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Post by Dan on Nov 5, 2024 9:45:47 GMT 1
For all the comments about MC it's a simple equation. He is judged by what we see on the pitch. The clue is in his job title. It simply hasn't been good enough so far. How long he gets is down to Mr Nagle but if things don't significantly improve the question will remain about why he's still trusted and supported. For the record I cannot believe that there is any contractual commitment with Beswick Sports to keep him or anyone in post. It would be a ludicrous example of the tale wagging the dog. DTS comments on Beswick Sports recently, confirming that… www.htsa-web.com/post/meeting-minutes-of-the-all-together-town-att-panel-19-10-2024(Although on another point made in those notes,you only have to go here to see how many agencies there are operating out of the UK… www.transfermarkt.com/berater/beraterfirmenuebersicht/berater?landId=264 there is a big 4 (that DOESNT include Beswick) representing Premier League players, then roughly another ten who have representation of a similar order to what Beswicks do, before you hit all the smaller agencies) Just posted these minutes in a different thread, hadn't noticed you'd put them here. I wonder if DTS saying that the club have no agreement with Beswicks is correct and that the agreement is between Beswicks and Kevin Nagle? Or if that rumour was fabricated from somewhere? |
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Post by mosher on Nov 5, 2024 9:53:15 GMT 1
Just posted these minutes in a different thread, hadn't noticed you'd put them here. I wonder if DTS saying that the club have no agreement with Beswicks is correct and that the agreement is between Beswicks and Kevin Nagle? Or if that rumour was fabricated from somewhere? I'd guess the latter, although perhaps not fabricated but a case of someone getting 5 from 2 + 2. |
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Post by Sparrow on Nov 5, 2024 11:23:15 GMT 1
Just posted these minutes in a different thread, hadn't noticed you'd put them here. I wonder if DTS saying that the club have no agreement with Beswicks is correct and that the agreement is between Beswicks and Kevin Nagle? Or if that rumour was fabricated from somewhere? It's not a fabricated rumour as it's on Beswicks Sports webiste in their news section beswickssports.com/beswicks-sports-brokers-huddersfield-town-deal/They represented & Advised KN when he was buying the club. I would imagine they still are representing and advising him. |
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Post by Dan on Nov 5, 2024 11:25:35 GMT 1
Just posted these minutes in a different thread, hadn't noticed you'd put them here. I wonder if DTS saying that the club have no agreement with Beswicks is correct and that the agreement is between Beswicks and Kevin Nagle? Or if that rumour was fabricated from somewhere? It's not a fabricated rumour as it's on Beswicks Sports webiste in their news section beswickssports.com/beswicks-sports-brokers-huddersfield-town-deal/They represented & Advices KN when he was buying the club. I would imagine they still are Them helping broker the takeover deal isn't being disputed. It's whether there is an ongoing agreement with them whereby they are acting as consultants to the club. DTS seems to outright dismiss this. He doesn't seem the type to lie to a fans forum... |
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Post by Sparrow on Nov 5, 2024 11:41:06 GMT 1
Them helping broker the takeover deal isn't being disputed. It's whether there is an ongoing agreement with them whereby they are acting as consultants to the club. DTS seems to outright dismiss this. He doesn't seem the type to lie to a fans forum... Yeah that's what I'm saying. Beswicks don't have a representation agreement with Town or be advising or acting as consultants to Town. They never have. They've represented and advised Nagle (Not Huddersfield Town). So it's whether they are still advising KN or not. Absolutely nothing wrong in them doing so by the way as KN does need to be getting some outside advice from somewhere......Unless they are pushing their own clients with too much Bias, which is up to KN to asses. |
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Post by dugnet on Nov 5, 2024 11:48:03 GMT 1
For all the comments about MC it's a simple equation. He is judged by what we see on the pitch. The clue is in his job title. It simply hasn't been good enough so far. How long he gets is down to Mr Nagle but if things don't significantly improve the question will remain about why he's still trusted and supported. For the record I cannot believe that there is any contractual commitment with Beswick Sports to keep him or anyone in post. It would be a ludicrous example of the tale wagging the dog. I’ve mentioned the tail wagging the dog thing Dugnet. I see two types of foreign ownership in English football. The first is owners who have little understanding of the game, but see the purchase as an obvious commercial vehicle. They can use those clubs to generate massive revenue, but they have to also throw shitloads of cash at their new toys to make the commercial vehicle work. They’re also the sort of owners who think they’re above rules of fair play. Most of those are people who don’t get football, but there are a select few with the same principles but do at least understand football. Then there’s the ones who don’t understand the game and for whatever reason try and do it right, or aren’t willing to take the course ploughed by the likes of Man C, Newcastle and others. You have a great example of 3 American owners in L1, which for me is a good example of this. Brum, chucking money at it like there’s no tomorrow, but will they be able to sustain that if they move to higher levels within a reasonably short space of time? Wrexham, a great example of how football is turning into an entertainment business. I’m not sure if there owners really get Wrexham, or they’re just riding the  of success right now? Then there’s Town, a good example of a club that’s trying to build, but in what seems like a more traditional way. But we’ve not got a thing’ like those other 2 clubs above us, and our owner is massively reliant on trusting people who he thinks will get us there. Modern football has increased the number of chancers into back office management roles because there’s a massive carrot being dangled, and it’s seen a huge shift to a more commercialised operation. Football clubs were always businesses and had to operate as such, but it’s morphed into boom and bust cycles, and the only thing I blame personally for that, is the huge influx of cash into the game. All that cash and a more unstable and unfair playing field. Football is knackered really. It won’t stop me watching, but in 20-30 years time I don’t think people will be batting an eyelid at the bias in the game. That's a really good analysis/series of observations. To move the debate forward I had a thought. Putting aside people's distrust of Cartwright (I don't think he'll ever be popular as he hasn't really created a favourable impression - which might be wholly unfair but it is a perception that exists) we have a data driven, or appear to have, approach to recruitment. This has become the "norm" across football with data on skills, influence, fitness, strengths and weaknesses all available, analysed and used. I wondered if as you go down the pyramid if that approach was less effective? The lower you get there is no doubt that ability is important but aptitude and attitude is equally required. How many players are physically scouted these days ie watched. You can have all the data in the world, you can watch video clips but is there any substitute for watching a player trough a game. Their body language, what they do out of position etc.... I am not saying it doesn't happen but has data driven recruitment taken over. Perhaps I am being overly naive/romantic but the days of a manager going to watch a player on a wet Tuesday in December and identifying him as a great addition to the squad seem to be long gone. Is it for the better. What I hope from MD is that he doesn't allow his managerial cv to be determined by folks pouring over data and stats on a laptop. He needs to shape his own destiny/success. I make this point because he once again referred to the soft under belly the player have. Well that might be true but if they were inherited/selected options for you and it hasn't worked you need to call that out and perhaps take a different approach. NB: All of the above might be complete twaddle or a question from someone perhaps living a little in the past (ie me) but I thought I would suggest it and see what other people think. |
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Post by dugnet on Nov 5, 2024 11:52:23 GMT 1
Them helping broker the takeover deal isn't being disputed. It's whether there is an ongoing agreement with them whereby they are acting as consultants to the club. DTS seems to outright dismiss this. He doesn't seem the type to lie to a fans forum... Yeah that's what I'm saying. Beswicks don't have a representation agreement with Town or be advising or acting as consultants to Town. They never have. They've represented and advised Nagle (Not Huddersfield Town). So it's whether they are still advising KN or not. Absolutely nothing wrong in them doing so by the way as KN does need to be getting some outside advice from somewhere......Unless they are pushing their own clients with too much Bias, which is up to KN to asses. Re Beswicks: If they are advising and picking up fees, which are essentially from Mr Nagle's pocket, there will be a point when he surely asks; "what am I getting here, because it certainly isn't results on the pitch". Mr Nagle might not be suitably connected in UK football yet to know who to ask for a different view but he's savvy enough to realise if anyone in his employ isn't up to the task. For the record I don't think Beswick than a minor conspiracy theory created by people, reasonably, trying to work out what isn't working at a football level. It isn't working as it needs to but I am not sure the issue is anything to do with Beswicks on a daily basis. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Nov 5, 2024 12:05:31 GMT 1
How much more money do you give Cartwright though. I won't count summer 2023 as his. However (and some estimates on transfer fees)
Jan 2024
Healy £1m
Balker £1m
Radulovic £600k
Matos..loan
Summer 2024
Sorensen ... £500k
Miller ... free
Lonwijk ..loan
Hodge ...loan
Kane ... looks very much like a Michael Duff signing
Evans £500k
Lapado ... free
So under Cartwright we've signed 11 players and spent around £3.5m - would have been more if we'd done the May deal. So that's a good transfer kitty for League One and 11 players which is teams worth of new blood. Only Matos is not on the books today
Now ask yourself which of those 11 would you still sign. For me it would be Sorensen, Kane, Lonwijk and Miller only. That's not a great "hit percentage"
In context Weber put together a Premier League promotion winning side for about £3.5m (Schindler, Van la Parra, Quauner and Stankovic the big fees) and Bromby put together a side that came third in the Championship for about £1m (Pipa, Holmes and Thomas the ones we paid a fee on)
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Post by runner76 on Nov 5, 2024 13:26:42 GMT 1
How much more money do you give Cartwright though. I won't count summer 2023 as his. However (and some estimates on transfer fees) Jan 2024 Healy £1m Balker £1m Radulovic £600k Matos..loan Summer 2024 Sorensen ... £500k Miller ... free Lonwijk ..loan Hodge ...loan Kane ... looks very much like a Michael Duff signing Evans £500k Lapado ... free So under Cartwright we've signed 11 players and spent around £3.5m - would have been more if we'd done the May deal. So that's a good transfer kitty for League One and 11 players which is teams worth of new blood. Only Matos is not on the books today Now ask yourself which of those 11 would you still sign. For me it would be Sorensen, Kane, Lonwijk and Miller only. That's not a great "hit percentage" In context Weber put together a Premier League promotion winning side for about £3.5m (Schindler, Van la Parra, Quauner and Stankovic the big fees) and Bromby put together a side that came third in the Championship for about £1m (Pipa, Holmes and Thomas the ones we paid a fee on) Hard to say as loads of them have been injured. If / when all these lads are 100% fit and getting games under the belt, it will be a more fair assessment |
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Post by buxtonboys101 on Nov 5, 2024 13:27:59 GMT 1
According to the BBC Radulovic cost a pretty £1.2 million which was part of the reason behind Chris Sutton’s criticism of him. His disgust at his failure to follow the ball in quicker and score with the best chance he had led him to argue he was too slow and “on his heels” something which is noticeable in every game he plays. If he and Healey along with Balker were supposed to keep Town up last season then not only was that a clear failure but a stupid bit of business as two of them are broken with unenviable injury records before January while Radoluvic was clearly a gamble.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 5, 2024 13:42:17 GMT 1
According to the BBC Radulovic cost a pretty £1.2 million which was part of the reason behind Chris Sutton’s criticism of him. His disgust at his failure to follow the ball in quicker and score with the best chance he had led him to argue he was too slow and “on his heels” something which is noticeable in every game he plays. If he and Healey along with Balker were supposed to keep Town up last season then not only was that a clear failure but a stupid bit of business as two of them are broken with unenviable injury records before January while Radoluvic was clearly a gamble. And Sutton should know a thing or two about strikers. Whilst not been a likeable character, he was part of the famous SAS partnership, with Shearer, that fired Blackburn to the title. |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 5, 2024 14:07:42 GMT 1
I’ve mentioned the tail wagging the dog thing Dugnet. I see two types of foreign ownership in English football. The first is owners who have little understanding of the game, but see the purchase as an obvious commercial vehicle. They can use those clubs to generate massive revenue, but they have to also throw shitloads of cash at their new toys to make the commercial vehicle work. They’re also the sort of owners who think they’re above rules of fair play. Most of those are people who don’t get football, but there are a select few with the same principles but do at least understand football. Then there’s the ones who don’t understand the game and for whatever reason try and do it right, or aren’t willing to take the course ploughed by the likes of Man C, Newcastle and others. You have a great example of 3 American owners in L1, which for me is a good example of this. Brum, chucking money at it like there’s no tomorrow, but will they be able to sustain that if they move to higher levels within a reasonably short space of time? Wrexham, a great example of how football is turning into an entertainment business. I’m not sure if there owners really get Wrexham, or they’re just riding the of success right now? Then there’s Town, a good example of a club that’s trying to build, but in what seems like a more traditional way. But we’ve not got a thing’ like those other 2 clubs above us, and our owner is massively reliant on trusting people who he thinks will get us there. Modern football has increased the number of chancers into back office management roles because there’s a massive carrot being dangled, and it’s seen a huge shift to a more commercialised operation. Football clubs were always businesses and had to operate as such, but it’s morphed into boom and bust cycles, and the only thing I blame personally for that, is the huge influx of cash into the game. All that cash and a more unstable and unfair playing field. Football is knackered really. It won’t stop me watching, but in 20-30 years time I don’t think people will be batting an eyelid at the bias in the game. That's a really good analysis/series of observations. To move the debate forward I had a thought. Putting aside people's distrust of Cartwright (I don't think he'll ever be popular as he hasn't really created a favourable impression - which might be wholly unfair but it is a perception that exists) we have a data driven, or appear to have, approach to recruitment. This has become the "norm" across football with data on skills, influence, fitness, strengths and weaknesses all available, analysed and used. I wondered if as you go down the pyramid if that approach was less effective? The lower you get there is no doubt that ability is important but aptitude and attitude is equally required. How many players are physically scouted these days ie watched. You can have all the data in the world, you can watch video clips but is there any substitute for watching a player trough a game. Their body language, what they do out of position etc.... I am not saying it doesn't happen but has data driven recruitment taken over. Perhaps I am being overly naive/romantic but the days of a manager going to watch a player on a wet Tuesday in December and identifying him as a great addition to the squad seem to be long gone. Is it for the better. What I hope from MD is that he doesn't allow his managerial cv to be determined by folks pouring over data and stats on a laptop. He needs to shape his own destiny/success. I make this point because he once again referred to the soft under belly the player have. Well that might be true but if they were inherited/selected options for you and it hasn't worked you need to call that out and perhaps take a different approach. NB: All of the above might be complete twaddle or a question from someone perhaps living a little in the past (ie me) but I thought I would suggest it and see what other people think. If you have a good manager watching on a wet Tuesday it is a very good thing. Who knows better what player will fit in to his team now and how he may want to change things in the future. Having a DoF can work if the relationship between him and the manager is good and they have the same thoughts on how they want the team to develop and play. p.s. It won't work if the DoF wants the managers office or realises he is not up to the measure of the manger. |
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Post by drumriggend on Nov 5, 2024 20:37:17 GMT 1
Has he foooooked off yet..
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Post by goodbet on Nov 5, 2024 21:16:36 GMT 1
Has he foooooked off yet.. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ 🤞🤞 It will take KN to kick him out for him to leave. |
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Post by ColchTerrier on Nov 5, 2024 21:19:11 GMT 1
Get on with it Kev.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Nov 5, 2024 22:59:32 GMT 1
How much more money do you give Cartwright though. I won't count summer 2023 as his. However (and some estimates on transfer fees) Jan 2024 Healy £1m Balker £1m Radulovic £600k Matos..loan Summer 2024 Sorensen ... £500k Miller ... free Lonwijk ..loan Hodge ...loan Kane ... looks very much like a Michael Duff signing Evans £500k Lapado ... free So under Cartwright we've signed 11 players and spent around £3.5m - would have been more if we'd done the May deal. So that's a good transfer kitty for League One and 11 players which is teams worth of new blood. Only Matos is not on the books today Now ask yourself which of those 11 would you still sign. For me it would be Sorensen, Kane, Lonwijk and Miller only. That's not a great "hit percentage" In context Weber put together a Premier League promotion winning side for about £3.5m (Schindler, Van la Parra, Quauner and Stankovic the big fees) and Bromby put together a side that came third in the Championship for about £1m (Pipa, Holmes and Thomas the ones we paid a fee on) Don’t forget we had to pay off Warnock and Moore which was Cartwright’s signing and I’m guessing would have cost at least a mill. |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 6, 2024 12:02:16 GMT 1
How much more money do you give Cartwright though. I won't count summer 2023 as his. However (and some estimates on transfer fees) Jan 2024 Healy £1m Balker £1m Radulovic £600k Matos..loan Summer 2024 Sorensen ... £500k Miller ... free Lonwijk ..loan Hodge ...loan Kane ... looks very much like a Michael Duff signing Evans £500k Lapado ... free So under Cartwright we've signed 11 players and spent around £3.5m - would have been more if we'd done the May deal. So that's a good transfer kitty for League One and 11 players which is teams worth of new blood. Only Matos is not on the books today Now ask yourself which of those 11 would you still sign. For me it would be Sorensen, Kane, Lonwijk and Miller only. That's not a great "hit percentage" In context Weber put together a Premier League promotion winning side for about £3.5m (Schindler, Van la Parra, Quauner and Stankovic the big fees) and Bromby put together a side that came third in the Championship for about £1m (Pipa, Holmes and Thomas the ones we paid a fee on) Don’t forget we had to pay off Warnock and Moore which was Cartwright’s signing and I’m guessing would have cost at least a mill. So we will end up paying for KN F@*! ups as we did one way or another with DH. |
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Post by disting on Nov 6, 2024 15:01:22 GMT 1
But we sold Rudoni apparently for 5m so, in except we’ve spent nothing. ! Unsurprisingly maybe why we are below Wycombe and Birmingham who’s owners are really showing some intent and spending power to ensure an upward trajectory. When we finally got an owner with a lot of money , apparently, I was hoping we would have done the same …. How much more money do you give Cartwright though. I won't count summer 2023 as his. However (and some estimates on transfer fees) Jan 2024 Healy £1m Balker £1m Radulovic £600k Matos..loan Summer 2024 Sorensen ... £500k Miller ... free Lonwijk ..loan Hodge ...loan Kane ... looks very much like a Michael Duff signing Evans £500k Lapado ... free So under Cartwright we've signed 11 players and spent around £3.5m - would have been more if we'd done the May deal. So that's a good transfer kitty for League One and 11 players which is teams worth of new blood. Only Matos is not on the books today Now ask yourself which of those 11 would you still sign. For me it would be Sorensen, Kane, Lonwijk and Miller only. That's not a great "hit percentage" In context Weber put together a Premier League promotion winning side for about £3.5m (Schindler, Van la Parra, Quauner and Stankovic the big fees) and Bromby put together a side that came third in the Championship for about £1m (Pipa, Holmes and Thomas the ones we paid a fee on) |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Nov 6, 2024 15:09:36 GMT 1
We've said it before but this next window is surely make or break for him?
After the Alfie May and Joe Taylor issues, if he does not have a list of 5 strikers ranked in order of preference that we can pursue in January, he wants sacking.
And as for the distrust mentioned on here, the Ladapo signing is a great example of why. To try and tell us they were watching him all summer is clearly bollocks, and there is no way Ladapo was a signing based on data. He was a body signed in desperation - a Hail Mary that has not paid off (except for him, with a 2 year deal)
For the record, here's what MC said at the time:
“Freddie is a player we have been monitoring all summer, and once his contractual status with Ipswich Town was concluded, we acted swiftly to bring him to the Club."
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Post by royrace on Nov 6, 2024 15:10:49 GMT 1
But we sold Rudoni apparently for 5m so, in except we’ve spent nothing. ! Unsurprisingly maybe why we are below Wycombe and Birmingham who’s owners are really showing some intent and spending power to ensure an upward trajectory. When we finally got an owner with a lot of money , apparently, I was hoping we would have done the same …. How much more money do you give Cartwright though. I won't count summer 2023 as his. However (and some estimates on transfer fees) Jan 2024 Healy £1m Balker £1m Radulovic £600k Matos..loan Summer 2024 Sorensen ... £500k Miller ... free Lonwijk ..loan Hodge ...loan Kane ... looks very much like a Michael Duff signing Evans £500k Lapado ... free So under Cartwright we've signed 11 players and spent around £3.5m - would have been more if we'd done the May deal. So that's a good transfer kitty for League One and 11 players which is teams worth of new blood. Only Matos is not on the books today Now ask yourself which of those 11 would you still sign. For me it would be Sorensen, Kane, Lonwijk and Miller only. That's not a great "hit percentage" In context Weber put together a Premier League promotion winning side for about £3.5m (Schindler, Van la Parra, Quauner and Stankovic the big fees) and Bromby put together a side that came third in the Championship for about £1m (Pipa, Holmes and Thomas the ones we paid a fee on) You'd have to be a complete loon to give him another penny to spend. In January too which is a difficult market. I'll be staggered if he keeps on chucking good money after bad. |
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Post by htfcterry on Nov 6, 2024 15:34:18 GMT 1
We've said it before but this next window is surely make or break for him? After the Alfie May and Joe Taylor issues, if he does not have a list of 5 strikers ranked in order of preference that we can pursue in January, he wants sacking. And as for the distrust mentioned on here, the Ladapo signing is a great example of why. To try and tell us they were watching him all summer is clearly bollocks, and there is no way Ladapo was a signing based on data. He was a body signed in desperation - a Hail Mary that has not paid off (except for him, with a 2 year deal) For the record, here's what MC said at the time: “Freddie is a player we have been monitoring all summer, and once his contractual status with Ipswich Town was concluded, we acted swiftly to bring him to the Club." He wants sacking either way off the back of the Ladapo signing. He's either been honest and kept tabs on him all summer and brought him in thinking hes a good striker, which is good enough for a sacking.. Or he's lied and it's a desperate risk to get a striker in, in which case he also needs sacking for. |
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of success right now?
