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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Nov 1, 2024 23:19:42 GMT 1
Chris Sutton summed it up perfectly tonight especially about our so called strikers.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Nov 3, 2024 21:18:40 GMT 1
Wycombe sacked their Head of Recruitment despite sitting above us in the table and having a much smaller budget.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 4, 2024 10:51:50 GMT 1
I’ve just seen that short WYS clip from this summer.
He does come across as an arrogant arse. The Stoke fan that commented on the clip seems to be spot on, an absolute chancer just building up his reputation and telling folk not to worry, blaming others and saying there’s loads of stuff behind the scenes etc.
Classic seagull management from this bloke. Come in, get all your mates brought in, shit all over everything, then fook off when the shit really hits the fan.
I’m just wondering how much shit the fan at Town has to be caked in before the last part of that scenario happens?
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Post by ram on Nov 4, 2024 11:42:44 GMT 1
Nagle must be the only bloke in the world 🌎 who thinks this tosser is any use
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Post by Sio on Nov 4, 2024 11:57:13 GMT 1
Nagle must be the only bloke in the world 🌎 who thinks this tosser is any use Nagle clearly has very little idea of what game he's involved in outside of the business stuff. Let's remember, he hadn't even heard of Huddersfield Town. That is not someone who has even a reasonable level of knowledge about English football. He doesn't know the game, and he doesn't know how supporters react to it. That's probably OK, because he employs people to do that work for him. Edwards on the business end, Dave his PR, DTS his operations, Cartwright his football. The problem is that it must be incredibly easy to pull the wool over his eyes with a few nicely biased spreadsheets and a load of stats about how our xG actually puts us top of the league. I also have concerns about whether a bit of an old boys club is forming and if Edwards would dare get rid of Cartwright. Unfortunately, Nagle is looking like a bit of a puppet but I can't work out who's pulling the strings. |
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Post by tottz on Nov 4, 2024 12:15:01 GMT 1
I was more than prepared to give him time. Probably in the minority that thought Bromby did an OK job given his constraints.
All evidence so far points to Cartwright doing a very, very poor job.
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Post by royrace on Nov 4, 2024 12:39:41 GMT 1
Nagle must be the only bloke in the world 🌎 who thinks this tosser is any use Nagle clearly has very little idea of what game he's involved in outside of the business stuff. Let's remember, he hadn't even heard of Huddersfield Town. That is not someone who has even a reasonable level of knowledge about English football. He doesn't know the game, and he doesn't know how supporters react to it. That's probably OK, because he employs people to do that work for him. Edwards on the business end, Dave his PR, DTS his operations, Cartwright his football. The problem is that it must be incredibly easy to pull the wool over his eyes with a few nicely biased spreadsheets and a load of stats about how our xG actually puts us top of the league. I also have concerns about whether a bit of an old boys club is forming and if Edwards would dare get rid of Cartwright. Unfortunately, Nagle is looking like a bit of a puppet but I can't work out who's pulling the strings. Nail on head. The fact he's concentrating on fans giving the players abuse on Friday night tells you all you need to know. Can you imagine any other chairman having that as the takeaway after a result like that. Just more excuses. He desperately needs to listen to people who know, problem is the likes of Baldwin, Warnock and Hough have been dispensed with. Feels like he's just being fed a load of shit tbh and he's no way of knowing any different. He desperately needs some outside experienced advice. |
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Post by runner76 on Nov 4, 2024 12:45:12 GMT 1
Nagle clearly has very little idea of what game he's involved in outside of the business stuff. Let's remember, he hadn't even heard of Huddersfield Town. That is not someone who has even a reasonable level of knowledge about English football. He doesn't know the game, and he doesn't know how supporters react to it. That's probably OK, because he employs people to do that work for him. Edwards on the business end, Dave his PR, DTS his operations, Cartwright his football. The problem is that it must be incredibly easy to pull the wool over his eyes with a few nicely biased spreadsheets and a load of stats about how our xG actually puts us top of the league. I also have concerns about whether a bit of an old boys club is forming and if Edwards would dare get rid of Cartwright. Unfortunately, Nagle is looking like a bit of a puppet but I can't work out who's pulling the strings. Nail on head. The fact he's concentrating on fans giving the players abuse on Friday night tells you all you need to know. Can you imagine any other chairman having that as the takeaway after a result like that. Just more excuses. He desperately needs to listen to people who know, problem is the likes of Baldwin, Warnock and Hough have been dispensed with. Feels like he's just being fed a load of shit tbh and he's no way of knowing any different. He desperately needs some outside experienced advice. Problem I guess is that Edwards and carthorse are a pair? Can he get rid of one without the other? |
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Post by Sio on Nov 4, 2024 12:59:54 GMT 1
Nail on head. The fact he's concentrating on fans giving the players abuse on Friday night tells you all you need to know. Can you imagine any other chairman having that as the takeaway after a result like that. Just more excuses. He desperately needs to listen to people who know, problem is the likes of Baldwin, Warnock and Hough have been dispensed with. Feels like he's just being fed a load of shit tbh and he's no way of knowing any different. He desperately needs some outside experienced advice. Problem I guess is that Edwards and carthorse are a pair? Can he get rid of one without the other? Which is a shame, because nothing so far suggests that Edwards isn't capable enough. |
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Post by royrace on Nov 4, 2024 13:41:29 GMT 1
Problem I guess is that Edwards and carthorse are a pair? Can he get rid of one without the other? Which is a shame, because nothing so far suggests that Edwards isn't capable enough. What suggests he is capable though? I'm not saying he's not but he's the most invisible leader we've ever had. Feels like the chairman and Cartwright make all the footballing decisions. He's overseen some new offices and stadium improvements. Anything else? Comes across very slick in the way he talks of course but I'm talking actual tangible action to make you think he's capable? I'm not saying he's not I just don't see how we can judge based on the fact he doesn't seem to have much responsibility for what we see, ie what happens on the pitch. Do we blame Cartwright alone for sacking Warnock, hiring Moore and André and wasting a fortune on sub standard or injured players or do we think JE should also be accountable? I think if I were KN I'd be expecting him to run the club, all of it, and take full responsibility. |
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Post by SacTown on Nov 4, 2024 13:53:14 GMT 1
Problem I guess is that Edwards and carthorse are a pair? Can he get rid of one without the other? Which is a shame, because nothing so far suggests that Edwards isn't capable enough. Cartwright is dangling by a thread, he's allegedly had three stays of execution already. |
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Post by Metch on Nov 4, 2024 13:55:45 GMT 1
The panic signing of Ladapo sums him up. No recruitment plan just a splatter gun to fill holes.
And Nagel doesn't see it. At least Hoyle thought very hard about how to recruit for a club our size. It worked at times but we have no semblance of a policy now.
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Post by iangreaves on Nov 4, 2024 13:56:24 GMT 1
Which is a shame, because nothing so far suggests that Edwards isn't capable enough. Cartwright is dangling by a thread, he's allegedly had three stays of execution already. He must have a shit hot lawyer. |
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Post by mosher on Nov 4, 2024 14:01:21 GMT 1
Cartwright is dangling by a thread, he's allegedly had three stays of execution already. He must have a shit hot lawyer. Or some incriminating pictures  |
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Post by Carlito Brigante on Nov 4, 2024 14:03:10 GMT 1
Cartwright is dangling by a thread, he's allegedly had three stays of execution already. He must have a shit hot lawyer. And that thread must be made of strong stuff |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 4, 2024 14:18:29 GMT 1
Which is a shame, because nothing so far suggests that Edwards isn't capable enough. Cartwright is dangling by a thread, he's allegedly had three stays of execution already. that cannot be true and here is why, Nagle and Dave have already said they love his tash beard combo he is growing. Plus Nagle has said that he is doing an incredible job. Plus as some have said jokingly , i bet there is a contractual or some pictures or something that Cartwright has over Nagle. As him and Edwards are having a right laugh at this club and doing in Nagles face. Nagle cannot be that stupid not to see it, but can he actually do anything about it ? There has to be something that is keeping these two here after the horror show they have overseen. I include Edwards in this as he was smiling like a complete and utter tool when Warnock was "let go" - i still think it was down to Warnock having fingers in pies, Cartwright could not have that as he wanted his fingers in his pies , to get the dodgy deals over the line for his own gain.... |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Nov 4, 2024 14:20:34 GMT 1
No doubt just waiting for Beswicks to put forward their next candidate to be DOF before he’s shown the door.
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Post by nickhtafc82 on Nov 4, 2024 14:32:55 GMT 1
I can't wait for him to be out of the door.
I'm sure he could get his own low rent reality tv show on selling rubbish second hand cars.
His comments on the video of Ladapo signing "let's do great things together" (or similar) made me want to wretch.
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Post by iangreaves on Nov 4, 2024 14:40:56 GMT 1
No doubt just waiting for Beswicks to put forward their next candidate to be DOF before he’s shown the door. "We are pleased to introduce our new director of football, Mr Martin Cartwright." |
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Post by Sio on Nov 4, 2024 14:49:35 GMT 1
Which is a shame, because nothing so far suggests that Edwards isn't capable enough. What suggests he is capable though? I'm not saying he's not but he's the most invisible leader we've ever had. Feels like the chairman and Cartwright make all the footballing decisions. He's overseen some new offices and stadium improvements. Anything else? Comes across very slick in the way he talks of course but I'm talking actual tangible action to make you think he's capable? I'm not saying he's not I just don't see how we can judge based on the fact he doesn't seem to have much responsibility for what we see, ie what happens on the pitch. Do we blame Cartwright alone for sacking Warnock, hiring Moore and André and wasting a fortune on sub standard or injured players or do we think JE should also be accountable? I think if I were KN I'd be expecting him to run the club, all of it, and take full responsibility. I don't think that's his role though. How many CEOs have we had that seem actively involved in the fan-facing stuff? Maybe going all the way back to Clibbens to find that? Winter was very quiet, and then I can't even remember the names of others in that Dean period. Didn't Phil do the job for a while under his own chairmanship?! Edwards may or may not be doing his job right, but my point is that nothing suggests he isn't (perhaps other than not advising we show his mate the door). Cartwright is the Director of Football - he should literally be setting the agenda for how we do on the field. So far, he has outright failed. |
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Post by htfcterry on Nov 4, 2024 15:44:49 GMT 1
Which is a shame, because nothing so far suggests that Edwards isn't capable enough. Cartwright is dangling by a thread, he's allegedly had three stays of execution already. I hope this is true and the end is near. KN did sing his praises recently however, I took it with a pinch of salt as he backed Darren Moore a few weeks before sacking him. |
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Post by royrace on Nov 4, 2024 16:15:16 GMT 1
What suggests he is capable though? I'm not saying he's not but he's the most invisible leader we've ever had. Feels like the chairman and Cartwright make all the footballing decisions. He's overseen some new offices and stadium improvements. Anything else? Comes across very slick in the way he talks of course but I'm talking actual tangible action to make you think he's capable? I'm not saying he's not I just don't see how we can judge based on the fact he doesn't seem to have much responsibility for what we see, ie what happens on the pitch. Do we blame Cartwright alone for sacking Warnock, hiring Moore and André and wasting a fortune on sub standard or injured players or do we think JE should also be accountable? I think if I were KN I'd be expecting him to run the club, all of it, and take full responsibility. I don't think that's his role though. How many CEOs have we had that seem actively involved in the fan-facing stuff? Maybe going all the way back to Clibbens to find that? Winter was very quiet, and then I can't even remember the names of others in that Dean period. Didn't Phil do the job for a while under his own chairmanship?! Edwards may or may not be doing his job right, but my point is that nothing suggests he isn't (perhaps other than not advising we show his mate the door). Cartwright is the Director of Football - he should literally be setting the agenda for how we do on the field. So far, he has outright failed. I agree but the point I was trying to make is that we don't really know if he's doing a good job because we've no idea what he does. Plus the fact is he's presided over a complete shambles on the pitch and some very silly decisions that have cost the club tens of millions. He's the CEO so how on earth does he get off scot free?? We don't know what he's done right but we do know he's been in charge of the shit show as a whole. |
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Post by royrace on Nov 4, 2024 16:17:09 GMT 1
Cartwright is dangling by a thread, he's allegedly had three stays of execution already. I hope this is true and the end is near. KN did sing his praises recently however, I took it with a pinch of salt as he backed Darren Moore a few weeks before sacking him. I think Kevin is a good human and he would always back his staff, especially in public. I'd expect nothing else. If he does get rid I'm sure it will be on good terms. At the end of the day nobody sets out to do a bad job on purpose. |
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Nov 4, 2024 16:43:22 GMT 1
The panic signing of Ladapo sums him up. No recruitment plan just a splatter gun to fill holes. And Nagel doesn't see it. At least Hoyle thought very hard about how to recruit for a club our size. It worked at times but we have no semblance of a policy now. There were a few who famously said I am happy with this but then a few also said I dont care we lost to, hang on Tamworth. The first though wrong considering his record is excusable, the second just shows that a lack of loyalty, passion and nous is not confined to the pitch. |
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Nov 4, 2024 16:47:41 GMT 1
I hope this is true and the end is near. KN did sing his praises recently however, I took it with a pinch of salt as he backed Darren Moore a few weeks before sacking him. I think Kevin is a good human and he would always back his staff, especially in public. I'd expect nothing else. If he does get rid I'm sure it will be on good terms. At the end of the day nobody sets out to do a bad job on purpose. "At the end of the day nobody sets out to do a bad job on purpose", don't they that's not my experience in fact worse than a bad job. |
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Post by soapystevens on Nov 4, 2024 18:09:08 GMT 1
Nagle must be the only bloke in the world 🌎 who thinks this tosser is any use I wonder if Mr Nagle will be thinking that when we don't get promotion. |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 4, 2024 18:18:19 GMT 1
Nagle must be the only bloke in the world 🌎 who thinks this tosser is any use I wonder if Mr Nagle will be thinking that when we don't get promotion. He obviously thought he was still of use when we got us relegated. Maybe he thinks that he got us to a place that it is a more cost effective to keep us? |
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Post by royrace on Nov 4, 2024 19:39:37 GMT 1
I think Kevin is a good human and he would always back his staff, especially in public. I'd expect nothing else. If he does get rid I'm sure it will be on good terms. At the end of the day nobody sets out to do a bad job on purpose. "At the end of the day nobody sets out to do a bad job on purpose", don't they that's not my experience in fact worse than a bad job. I'm talking about a high profile, highly paid position. I appreciate there are many people in life who don't try and even some that would deliberately to do a bad job. In fact there's plenty in this country who can't even be arsed to get dressed in a morning let alone go to work |
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Nov 4, 2024 20:27:57 GMT 1
"At the end of the day nobody sets out to do a bad job on purpose", don't they that's not my experience in fact worse than a bad job. I'm talking about a high profile, highly paid position. I appreciate there are many people in life who don't try and even some that would deliberately to do a bad job. In fact there's plenty in this country who can't even be arsed to get dressed in a morning let alone go to work Well true but I was thinking of some of the people I've worked with. People who will do anything to climb that greasy pole, lie to cover their back or line their own pocket. |
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Post by buxtonboys101 on Nov 4, 2024 22:00:52 GMT 1
Well true but I was thinking of some of the people I've worked with. People who will do anything to climb that greasy pole, lie to cover their back or line their own pocket.
Boy I bet we all could tell some stories outlining the people we have come across who have fallen into this category. I would bet a hefty fortune many, many are politicians.
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