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Post by mosher on Nov 15, 2024 11:13:54 GMT 1
I'm one of Cartwright's biggest critics, but are you saying you don't want us to sign Taylor now? I still do despite him barely playing for Luton. Mosh, if we had 800k and 12k a week to spend on a striker a few months ago, then its likely in January we should have more options than a 5th choice at Luton who hasnt played much for quite a while. I dont have the options but its not my job to continually be looking for them🤔 I agree we shouldn't JUST be looking at Taylor and Cartwright's little black book looks smaller every transfer window. My point was that most seemed excited at the prospect of signing him in summer, but now he's seen as a shit signing. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 15, 2024 11:22:41 GMT 1
Mosh, if we had 800k and 12k a week to spend on a striker a few months ago, then its likely in January we should have more options than a 5th choice at Luton who hasnt played much for quite a while. I dont have the options but its not my job to continually be looking for them🤔 I agree we shouldn't JUST be looking at Taylor and Cartwright's little black book looks smaller every transfer window. My point was that most seemed excited at the prospect of signing him in summer, but now he's seen as a shit signing. Its going to be an 'expensive' signing and at a time when he may have to frame from day 1 of being here. He has not played much for quite a while, 3 or 4 games as a sub or whatever might be too many games for us. He might be fit as a lop and desperate to get stuck in? Its just the timing now and the cost that bothers me. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Nov 15, 2024 11:26:56 GMT 1
January is creeping up fast. We all know Nagle will give Cartwright money to bring in a striker and he'll end up spending it on a lad that's hardly played for half a season that we'll spend two months trying to get fit, just like Healey, Radulovic and Ladapo. Step forward Joe Taylor. Played 83 minutes so far this season. I'm one of Cartwright's biggest critics, but are you saying you don't want us to sign Taylor now? I still do despite him barely playing for Luton. He'd have been a decent signing in the summer, but he'll come nowhere near match fit and we can't afford to make that mistake again. We need players in ready to hit the ground running. |
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Post by royrace on Nov 15, 2024 11:40:13 GMT 1
I agree we shouldn't JUST be looking at Taylor and Cartwright's little black book looks smaller every transfer window. My point was that most seemed excited at the prospect of signing him in summer, but now he's seen as a shit signing. Its going to be an 'expensive' signing and at a time when he may have to frame from day 1 of being here. He has not played much for quite a while, 3 or 4 games as a sub or whatever might be too many games for us. He might be fit as a lop and desperate to get stuck in? Its just the timing now and the cost that bothers me. What bothers me is that he cant get a sniff at Luton and they'll likely be relegated this season. I thought the strategy was to buy players ready for the division above which we would soon be returning to. I don't mind the horses for courses approach but I'm guessing KN doesn't want to have to replace three quarters of the team if we somehow get promoted. The strategy seems a bit basic to me, buy a few players who got in the team of the season and scored a lot of goals at L1 and L2 level. I think you need to be a bit more sophisticated than that to achieve sustainable success. I dont have a huge amount of knowledge on what Ipswich did but I think they were probably a bit more canny than that in the market. They also seemed to sign a couple of champ players who were too good for L1 really and I think some quality loanees. From what I've seen so far none of our signings are good enough for the championship with the exception of Miller perhaps (although Plymouth didn't agree) and Hodge who is on loan. |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 15, 2024 11:52:48 GMT 1
I'm one of Cartwright's biggest critics, but are you saying you don't want us to sign Taylor now? I still do despite him barely playing for Luton. Mosh, if we had 800k and 12k a week to spend on a striker a few months ago, then its likely in January we should have more options than a 5th choice at Luton who hasnt played much for quite a while. I dont have the options but its not my job to continually be looking for them🤔 If he was valued at 800k over summer then you can probably half that now, which maybe adds a bit of extra flexibility to improve elsewhere too. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Nov 15, 2024 12:30:48 GMT 1
Might as well use his contacts and get Nigel Lowe, at the very least on loan from Stoke. Fitting a similar profile to Taylor last season. 19 appearances 11 goals and 4 assists at Walsall. Decent for a 19yo.
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Post by goodbet on Nov 15, 2024 12:48:44 GMT 1
Might as well use his contacts and get Nigel Lowe, at the very least on loan from Stoke. Fitting a similar profile to Taylor last season. 19 appearances 11 goals and 4 assists at Walsall. Decent for a 19yo. I had the impression that would be a location he would be least welcome. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Nov 15, 2024 12:51:27 GMT 1
Might as well use his contacts and get Nigel Lowe, at the very least on loan from Stoke. Fitting a similar profile to Taylor last season. 19 appearances 11 goals and 4 assists at Walsall. Decent for a 19yo. I had the impression that would be a location he would be least welcome. Possibly with the fans, but they aren’t what matters. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 15, 2024 12:56:06 GMT 1
I agree we shouldn't JUST be looking at Taylor and Cartwright's little black book looks smaller every transfer window. My point was that most seemed excited at the prospect of signing him in summer, but now he's seen as a shit signing. Its going to be an 'expensive' signing and at a time when he may have to frame from day 1 of being here. He has not played much for quite a while, 3 or 4 games as a sub or whatever might be too many games for us. He might be fit as a lop and desperate to get stuck in? Its just the timing now and the cost that bothers me. Agreeing with this. Whoever comes in January has to be able to make an immediate impact. Not someone carrying an injury or who’s miles away from being match fit. I’m not really understanding how you can assess a player who’s not playing? I recall the immediate impact made by Grant Holt - it’s that type of experience and ability we need in my opinion. |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 15, 2024 12:57:52 GMT 1
I had the impression that would be a location he would be least welcome. Possibly with the fans, but they aren’t what matters. I suppose not seeing we have not mattered much "Down at the Mac" or in the stadium why would Stoke fans matter. |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 15, 2024 13:01:48 GMT 1
Its going to be an 'expensive' signing and at a time when he may have to frame from day 1 of being here. He has not played much for quite a while, 3 or 4 games as a sub or whatever might be too many games for us. He might be fit as a lop and desperate to get stuck in? Its just the timing now and the cost that bothers me. Agreeing with this. Whoever comes in January has to be able to make an immediate impact. Not someone carrying an injury or who’s miles away from being match fit. I’m not really understanding how you can assess a player who’s not playing? I recall the immediate impact made by Grant Holt - it’s that type of experience and ability we need in my opinion. This is just not the way Town do things. We would rather waste a little bit of money on unfit, injured and old ex Town has beens, rather than spend on one or two quality players to help lift the rest. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Nov 15, 2024 13:04:30 GMT 1
Possibly with the fans, but they aren’t what matters. I suppose not seeing we have not mattered much "Down at the Mac" or in the stadium why would Stoke fans matter. Lol, I assume you are using my words to take a pot shot at the club, but in case you misunderstand me, if the fans don’t like Cartwright at Stoke, I don’t thing the management at Stoke will take this into account when it comes to the future of one of their players. If the best move for Lowe’s development is to play at Huddersfield, then Stoke management aren’t going to give a shit about what their fans think about Cartwright (and rightly so). |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Nov 15, 2024 14:50:42 GMT 1
Might as well use his contacts and get Nigel Lowe, at the very least on loan from Stoke. Fitting a similar profile to Taylor last season. 19 appearances 11 goals and 4 assists at Walsall. Decent for a 19yo. I had the impression that would be a location he would be least welcome. They were delighted to parm Tom Edwards off on him last season. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 15, 2024 14:56:11 GMT 1
I had the impression that would be a location he would be least welcome. They were delighted to parm Tom Edwards off on him last season. don't forget all the ex stokie's staff we have now also .....
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Post by SacTown on Nov 15, 2024 15:49:22 GMT 1
I'm one of Cartwright's biggest critics, but are you saying you don't want us to sign Taylor now? I still do despite him barely playing for Luton. He'd have been a decent signing in the summer, but he'll come nowhere near match fit and we can't afford to make that mistake again. We need players in ready to hit the ground running. How many of those that are in form and fit our criteria, are likely to be available for transfer in January ? |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Nov 15, 2024 16:38:05 GMT 1
Its going to be an 'expensive' signing and at a time when he may have to frame from day 1 of being here. He has not played much for quite a while, 3 or 4 games as a sub or whatever might be too many games for us. He might be fit as a lop and desperate to get stuck in? Its just the timing now and the cost that bothers me. What bothers me is that he cant get a sniff at Luton and they'll likely be relegated this season. I thought the strategy was to buy players ready for the division above which we would soon be returning to. I don't mind the horses for courses approach but I'm guessing KN doesn't want to have to replace three quarters of the team if we somehow get promoted. The strategy seems a bit basic to me, buy a few players who got in the team of the season and scored a lot of goals at L1 and L2 level. I think you need to be a bit more sophisticated than that to achieve sustainable success. I dont have a huge amount of knowledge on what Ipswich did but I think they were probably a bit more canny than that in the market. They also seemed to sign a couple of champ players who were too good for L1 really and I think some quality loanees. From what I've seen so far none of our signings are good enough for the championship with the exception of Miller perhaps (although Plymouth didn't agree) and Hodge who is on loan. This should absolutely be the strategy, however its not an easy strategy to put into practice, especially playing in L1 as you've either got to pluck players from Championship sides who are out of favour and therefore could be seen as 'not good enough for that level' or, look to bring in loans of younger players from the Prem who wont make the grade into first teams with a sales pitch of 'I know we are League One now but we will soon be Championship and if you help us get promotion there is a contract waiting for you at that level' The main sticking point however is money. If you want players that have enough quality to play in a higher league then you have to, at the very least, match wages that they would get in that league otherwise there is no hope in them dropping down. The higher up the league pyramid you go, the more money you have to spend to achieve this which from the recent transfer activity at the club we don't want to/don't have the fund available to do this. An ideal strategy, and looking at it the one that Town are using/trying to use, is to pluck from the pool of better L1 players, or up and coming players from L2 with the aim of improving them enough that once you are promoted then they play competitively in The Championship. As you rightly say though, as it stands the players we have brought in don't look comfortable at this level, let alone Championship level. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Nov 15, 2024 17:38:55 GMT 1
He'd have been a decent signing in the summer, but he'll come nowhere near match fit and we can't afford to make that mistake again. We need players in ready to hit the ground running. How many of those that are in form and fit our criteria, are likely to be available for transfer in January ? Exactly. Which is why you bring in your key players in the summer, otherwise you're overpaying for unfit players in the January window, something we clearly didn't learn from last season. |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 15, 2024 18:55:20 GMT 1
What bothers me is that he cant get a sniff at Luton and they'll likely be relegated this season. I thought the strategy was to buy players ready for the division above which we would soon be returning to. I don't mind the horses for courses approach but I'm guessing KN doesn't want to have to replace three quarters of the team if we somehow get promoted. The strategy seems a bit basic to me, buy a few players who got in the team of the season and scored a lot of goals at L1 and L2 level. I think you need to be a bit more sophisticated than that to achieve sustainable success. I dont have a huge amount of knowledge on what Ipswich did but I think they were probably a bit more canny than that in the market. They also seemed to sign a couple of champ players who were too good for L1 really and I think some quality loanees. From what I've seen so far none of our signings are good enough for the championship with the exception of Miller perhaps (although Plymouth didn't agree) and Hodge who is on loan. This should absolutely be the strategy, however its not an easy strategy to put into practice, especially playing in L1 as you've either got to pluck players from Championship sides who are out of favour and therefore could be seen as 'not good enough for that level' or, look to bring in loans of younger players from the Prem who wont make the grade into first teams with a sales pitch of 'I know we are League One now but we will soon be Championship and if you help us get promotion there is a contract waiting for you at that level' The main sticking point however is money. If you want players that have enough quality to play in a higher league then you have to, at the very least, match wages that they would get in that league otherwise there is no hope in them dropping down. The higher up the league pyramid you go, the more money you have to spend to achieve this which from the recent transfer activity at the club we don't want to/don't have the fund available to do this. An ideal strategy, and looking at it the one that Town are using/trying to use, is to pluck from the pool of better L1 players, or up and coming players from L2 with the aim of improving them enough that once you are promoted then they play competitively in The Championship. As you rightly say though, as it stands the players we have brought in don't look comfortable at this level, let alone Championship level. The problem we have had with buying players from the lower league you need leaders to guide them on the field not old past it ex-Town players or just people who stand and point and then blame everyone else. So we need a leader and a quality ball player as well as a striker and we would have the backbone we have been missing for a long while. |
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Post by royrace on Nov 17, 2024 15:08:07 GMT 1
I had the impression that would be a location he would be least welcome. They were delighted to parm Tom Edwards off on him last season. Christ I'd forgotten about him. Now struggling to get a game for Salford in L2 but we brought him in as a championship player. How the hell does Nagle find that even remotely acceptable?? Wouldn't be too bad if it was an isolated mistake or if the whole of football didn't know he was miles off championship quality when we signed him. Unbelievable, I suppose the saving grace is we didn't pay a fee unlike some of his other signings. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Nov 17, 2024 16:25:05 GMT 1
A suggestion. Nobody posts in this thread until it is official that he has gone.
Everytime I see it back up the top of the board I get excited that Kev has finally seen sense and given him the boot.
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Post by runner76 on Nov 17, 2024 17:45:43 GMT 1
A suggestion. Nobody posts in this thread until it is official that he has gone. Everytime I see it back up the top of the board I get excited that Kev has finally seen sense and given him the boot. Good luck…  |
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