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Post by townarentbest on Dec 7, 2023 17:35:17 GMT 1
In answer to why FGR are allowed to replay their tie, it’s because they had permission to field a loan player (as backed up by his parent club), but had failed to notify the FA. The FA have accepted it was an administrative oversight. Scarborough now get to keep all the money from the gate and FGR don’t get any travelling expenses. Sorry if that ruins any conspiracy theories! Are they saying though that Barnsley's breach was NOT just administrative? Which would mean that they knew full well he shouldn't play but played him anyway? Which in the modern, cameras everywhere era seems beyond stupid. Barnsley fielded a player who was ineligible to play (you can't play in an FA Cup replay if you weren't eligible to play for the initial game, at which point he'd been out on loan at another club), probably down to an administrative error rather than trying to intentionally cheat. ie - no matter what forms or admin they might have completed, he would never have been allowed to take to the field and the result to stand. In the FGR scenario, the player was only ineligible because the forms hadn't been lodged correctly with the FA, but there was nothing really stopping him from playing. They've got off lightly really, (its a bit like allowing a deadline day transfer to happen even though the forms had been submitted late) - but it is very different to the Barnsley situation so you can kind of understand it.
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Post by rockwall on Dec 7, 2023 17:36:46 GMT 1
In anticipation of us being at the San Siro in 3 years (sure I've heard that somewhere before... ) then the club should come up with, say, the 20 worst away days ever. So if you've ploughed through the snow to see us lose 2-0 at some village club in Devon on a Tuesday night, you're up there in priority one, a million loyalty points, no questions asked. Everyone else can sort themselves out. I've still got my ticket from the 4-0 at Macclesfield plus a few other memorable for all the wrong reasons away days so that would be me sorted.
Addendum: The game has to have been at least 20 years ago, otherwise we'll have 3000 in there straight away from our recent trip up the M621.
Was looking through my stubs the other day and came across the 6-2 at Scunthorpe and then the 4-0 away at Mansfield. Always remember that as Chris Greenavre got a hat trick. He always loved a goal or 2 against us.
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Post by onesteviekindon on Dec 7, 2023 17:38:56 GMT 1
Maybe we should bring Denis Law out of retirement. He was sold the year before... I must admit I wasn't certain I'd got the date right.
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Post by DeepSpace on Dec 7, 2023 17:51:24 GMT 1
Are they saying though that Barnsley's breach was NOT just administrative? Which would mean that they knew full well he shouldn't play but played him anyway? Which in the modern, cameras everywhere era seems beyond stupid. They broke the rules, also probably accidentally, but the player was ineligible as he’d been out on loan at York when the initial tie took place and then recalled. Only players eligible for the original tie can appear in a replay. Yes I get that, but the implication is that one was deliberate, the other accidental. Is that the case, or are they saying it is?
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 7, 2023 17:53:44 GMT 1
No surprise that Man U get picked, and who gives a fuck about watching the first 2 🤷 It really should be the lower teams that get the TV coverage IMO It's not like PL sides need the cash and I'd much rather watch the possibility of a humiliation of arrogant sides by humble lower league clubs. Doesn't seem to happen as often nowadays, but I love giant-killings. Except when Accrington (the ref anyway) robbed us, even if we WERE crap that day. I remember when we drew Chelsea, under Jose, that in a piece in The Mirror on the day of the game, he said whenever the draw put a PL team against a lower league side,the PL teams should have to play away from home and field a full strength side. He couldn't believe we were taking 6000+ down there when there wouldn't have been that many in total for a Portuguese cup game
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Post by terriers2000 on Dec 7, 2023 18:21:34 GMT 1
Palace vs Everton on a Thursday night, that’s pathetic!! Peterborough vs Leeds, gillingham vs Sheff united and Wimbledon vs Ipswich all should be on tv, pathetic by fa, bbc and itv
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Post by crux on Dec 7, 2023 18:31:12 GMT 1
Palace vs Everton on a Thursday night, that’s pathetic!! Peterborough vs Leeds, gillingham vs Sheff united and Wimbledon vs Ipswich all should be on tv, pathetic by fa, bbc and itv To be (slightly) fair to the TV companies, the first two TV ties are all PL games as they don't have 2 sets of PL games over 29th Dec and 1st Jan. There is only one set of fixtures, so much easier to play on the Thursday & Friday.
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Post by stevvy on Dec 7, 2023 18:33:06 GMT 1
Palace vs Everton on a Thursday night, that’s pathetic!! Peterborough vs Leeds, gillingham vs Sheff united and Wimbledon vs Ipswich all should be on tv, pathetic by fa, bbc and itv Those 3 games you mention are far more appealing to me than Spurs v Burnley, but even more so than Palace v Everton, which wouldn't even be a 5th pick TV game on a PL weekend. Even Palace and Everton fans won't be that interested in their tie, so why ITV think any neutral fans would be interested, I have no idea. It's like they saw all PL ties and screamed "oh my god we must show these all PL ties regardless of how interesting they sound just because it's 2 PL teams". Those 2 picks are utterly embarassing. The other 4 are more understandable. Palace v Everton has about as much appeal to fans of the teams involved, let alone neutrals, as Sheff Weds v Cardiff does. In other words, no appeal. Oh and I wouldn't really blame the BBC. Yes they picked an all PL tie, but at least it might have some appeal to neutrals as it's 2 of the biggest teams in the country and also reasonably big in Europe. Their other tie is the sort of tie that should be picked for TV
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Post by workshyfop on Dec 7, 2023 18:39:53 GMT 1
They broke the rules, also probably accidentally, but the player was ineligible as he’d been out on loan at York when the initial tie took place and then recalled. Only players eligible for the original tie can appear in a replay. Yes I get that, but the implication is that one was deliberate, the other accidental. Is that the case, or are they saying it is? It’s a good point. To be honest, they should both have been kicked out for not adhering to the rules. Although Barnsley should have known the rules, whereas FGR had permission but someone didn’t do the paperwork.
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Post by irverino on Dec 7, 2023 18:40:17 GMT 1
Palace vs Everton on a Thursday night, that’s pathetic!! Peterborough vs Leeds, gillingham vs Sheff united and Wimbledon vs Ipswich all should be on tv, pathetic by fa, bbc and itv To be (slightly) fair to the TV companies, the first two TV ties are all PL games as they don't have 2 sets of PL games over 29th Dec and 1st Jan. There is only one set of fixtures, so much easier to play on the Thursday & Friday. Also, with around 12 ties in London alone & extra tickets for away fans a lot of splitting potential clashes between fans......Loads of ties to be moved still, strong possibility now we won't be one.
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Post by markthehorn on Dec 7, 2023 19:37:09 GMT 1
Feel for Everton and Burnley fans hoping to make the trip too .
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Dec 7, 2023 20:09:11 GMT 1
It really should be the lower teams that get the TV coverage IMO It's not like PL sides need the cash and I'd much rather watch the possibility of a humiliation of arrogant sides by humble lower league clubs. Doesn't seem to happen as often nowadays, but I love giant-killings. Except when Accrington (the ref anyway) robbed us, even if we WERE crap that day. I remember when we drew Chelsea, under Jose, that in a piece in The Mirror on the day of the game, he said whenever the draw put a PL team against a lower league side,the PL teams should have to play away from home and field a full strength side. He couldn't believe we were taking 6000+ down there when there wouldn't have been that many in total for a Portuguese cup game Remember that. And I also remember how Jose walked down to where all the Town fans were after the game to applaud us all. Top Bloke imo.
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Post by sabailand on Dec 7, 2023 20:28:28 GMT 1
I remember when we drew Chelsea, under Jose, that in a piece in The Mirror on the day of the game, he said whenever the draw put a PL team against a lower league side,the PL teams should have to play away from home and field a full strength side. He couldn't believe we were taking 6000+ down there when there wouldn't have been that many in total for a Portuguese cup game Remember that. And I also remember how Jose walked down to where all the Town fans were after the game to applaud us all. Top Bloke imo. And for all his faults (and he has a few) when we beat Man utd 2-1 in that first prem season he answered when asked what went wrong 'Huddersfield were better than us'.
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Post by johntheterrier on Dec 7, 2023 20:59:53 GMT 1
Remember that. And I also remember how Jose walked down to where all the Town fans were after the game to applaud us all. Top Bloke imo. And for all his faults (and he has a few) when we beat Man utd 2-1 in that first prem season he answered when asked what went wrong 'Huddersfield were better than us'. I believe he also went into the Town dressing room after that game, congratulated the players and shook hands with them. He said the Town players "wanted it more". A class act.
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Post by softboy on Dec 7, 2023 21:19:21 GMT 1
Are they saying though that Barnsley's breach was NOT just administrative? Which would mean that they knew full well he shouldn't play but played him anyway? Which in the modern, cameras everywhere era seems beyond stupid. Barnsley fielded a player who was ineligible to play (you can't play in an FA Cup replay if you weren't eligible to play for the initial game, at which point he'd been out on loan at another club), probably down to an administrative error rather than trying to intentionally cheat. ie - no matter what forms or admin they might have completed, he would never have been allowed to take to the field and the result to stand. In the FGR scenario, the player was only ineligible because the forms hadn't been lodged correctly with the FA, but there was nothing really stopping him from playing. They've got off lightly really, (its a bit like allowing a deadline day transfer to happen even though the forms had been submitted late) - but it is very different to the Barnsley situation so you can kind of understand it.
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Post by softboy on Dec 7, 2023 21:24:48 GMT 1
So basically FGR fielded a ineligle player but as this was a genuine mistake they are not thrown out of the Cup but play the game again. I assume that if their game had gone ahead at Blackpool and they had lost and this only came to light on Monday the Blackpool result would be declared null and void as Scarborough would still (as they are now) be given the opportunity to play on a fair playing field!
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 7, 2023 21:27:55 GMT 1
Palace vs Everton on a Thursday night, that’s pathetic!! Peterborough vs Leeds, gillingham vs Sheff united and Wimbledon vs Ipswich all should be on tv, pathetic by fa, bbc and itv Wigan vs man ure is worse. Pathetic
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Post by softboy on Dec 7, 2023 21:32:06 GMT 1
So have the police banned the games taking place on the weekend as they would if a march was taking place over the weekend that may lead to potential disorder!
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Post by terrierneil on Dec 7, 2023 21:32:27 GMT 1
Have we got a kick off time for our game yet or what?
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Post by DeepSpace on Dec 7, 2023 21:32:38 GMT 1
I think that selection tells us everything we already know about where the cup is at. The big TV money is coming from parties who want everything revolving around the top half dozen or so teams. The Far East audience aren't interested in the local postman scoring a winner at a league side nobody has heard of.
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 7, 2023 21:44:03 GMT 1
Have we got a kick off time for our game yet or what? 3:00
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 7, 2023 21:47:08 GMT 1
Palace vs Everton on a Thursday night, that’s pathetic!! Peterborough vs Leeds, gillingham vs Sheff united and Wimbledon vs Ipswich all should be on tv, pathetic by fa, bbc and itv Those 3 games you mention are far more appealing to me than Spurs v Burnley, but even more so than Palace v Everton, which wouldn't even be a 5th pick TV game on a PL weekend. Even Palace and Everton fans won't be that interested in their tie, so why ITV think any neutral fans would be interested, I have no idea. It's like they saw all PL ties and screamed "oh my god we must show these all PL ties regardless of how interesting they sound just because it's 2 PL teams". Those 2 picks are utterly embarassing. The other 4 are more understandable. Palace v Everton has about as much appeal to fans of the teams involved, let alone neutrals, as Sheff Weds v Cardiff does. In other words, no appeal. Oh and I wouldn't really blame the BBC. Yes they picked an all PL tie, but at least it might have some appeal to neutrals as it's 2 of the biggest teams in the country and also reasonably big in Europe. Their other tie is the sort of tie that should be picked for TV I'd rather watch the Spurs or Everton games than the Chestwankers. I'd rather turn the telly off than watch those c****.
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 7, 2023 21:49:33 GMT 1
So have the police banned the games taking place on the weekend as they would if a march was taking place over the weekend that may lead to potential disorder! Do you think Yaxley-Lennon and his far right thugs are going to go and try cause trouble at a game, he'll fuck off in a taxi as soon as it kicks off anyway, like usual.
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Post by digs on Dec 7, 2023 22:17:55 GMT 1
Those 3 games you mention are far more appealing to me than Spurs v Burnley, but even more so than Palace v Everton, which wouldn't even be a 5th pick TV game on a PL weekend. Even Palace and Everton fans won't be that interested in their tie, so why ITV think any neutral fans would be interested, I have no idea. It's like they saw all PL ties and screamed "oh my god we must show these all PL ties regardless of how interesting they sound just because it's 2 PL teams". Those 2 picks are utterly embarassing. The other 4 are more understandable. Palace v Everton has about as much appeal to fans of the teams involved, let alone neutrals, as Sheff Weds v Cardiff does. In other words, no appeal. Oh and I wouldn't really blame the BBC. Yes they picked an all PL tie, but at least it might have some appeal to neutrals as it's 2 of the biggest teams in the country and also reasonably big in Europe. Their other tie is the sort of tie that should be picked for TV I'd rather watch the Spurs or Everton games than the Chestwankers. I'd rather turn the telly off than watch those cards. Especially against the Posh,want both teams to lose
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Post by sapphireblue on Dec 7, 2023 22:30:59 GMT 1
Said it before and I'll say it again (and again)
All games to be shown live on tv, should be drawn at random. Maybe the first games out of the "hat".
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Post by impact on Dec 8, 2023 0:01:22 GMT 1
ITV did it last year and they're doing it again. The FA Cup isn't about seeing the teams you see every week, it's about the giant killings. All they care about is money but they'll bleat on about the magic of the cup.
There are 10 ties which have a team in a lower league at home against a team from a higher one, yet we get Palace v Everton and Spurs v Burnley. They aren't the team that need the money.
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Post by sabailand on Dec 8, 2023 1:38:02 GMT 1
Dont like it myself but the fact is Sky and other TV companies want viewing figures, so big premier league clubs who usually have more fans (i use that term in the loosest sense) here and abroad are often chosen for telly.
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Post by DeepSpace on Dec 8, 2023 7:57:23 GMT 1
Dont like it myself but the fact is Sky and other TV companies want viewing figures, so big premier league clubs who usually have more fans (i use that term in the loosest sense) here and abroad are often chosen for telly. It occurred to me during my hours of insomnia, as these things often do, that in spite of me more or less saying the same thing as you, the logical conclusion of that argument is that the first game to be screened would be whoever Man City are playing. Hence I now think that the only real conclusion is that there's a massive conspiracy against us that involves Sky, the FA, Jon Moss, the WEF & a whole host of others
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Post by ben1987 on Dec 8, 2023 8:49:55 GMT 1
“When he was being deported” 😂 There’s a few Town fans are just instantly recognisable. Is Gladstone still with us? As far as I know he is but lives back in the West Indies I think? Others still in touch might know. I'm sure he came over for a Town game not so long back. The deportation was down to the fact that he arrived on a student visa to go to Tec but never went. America.
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Post by irverino on Dec 8, 2023 10:52:33 GMT 1
Dont like it myself but the fact is Sky and other TV companies want viewing figures, so big premier league clubs who usually have more fans (i use that term in the loosest sense) here and abroad are often chosen for telly. It occurred to me during my hours of insomnia, as these things often do, that in spite of me more or less saying the same thing as you, the logical conclusion of that argument is that the first game to be screened would be whoever Man City are playing. Hence I now think that the only real conclusion is that there's a massive conspiracy against us that involves Sky, the FA, Jon Moss, the WEF & a whole host of others Not hopeful Town will be picked today when tv games for Jan 13-Feb 3 are released......includes QPR (a) & Wendies (h) so maybe?
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