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Post by DeepSpace on Dec 7, 2023 9:50:30 GMT 1
I don't ever recall him being a teacher at that time, but he might well have gone on to become one (I lost touch with him after he left but heard from others that he worked with kids). He was definitely deported & even given it was 83 or 84 time, he'd still have needed a tax code, NINo, etc. to work here which I'm assuming he didn't have. There's a few on here anyway who would have known him a lot better than I did...he was a mate at matches & occasional pub meet-ups but I never asked him about his work or background & until the day up at Riddings I probably just assumed he was a local lad.
The really funny thing about him in truth was that black lads were like hen's teeth back then at football. So when he racked up, & in truth, I don't think he was a particularly violent man, more out for a good laugh really, at maybe six & a half foot tall, he must have looked terrifying to your average 'bit of a lad' on the opposition terraces. Cambridge being a case in point when I remember every time he appeared in the middle of them, a wide area of empty terrace would appear around him & some very nervous-looking coppers would be trying to work out how to get him back in our end.
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 7, 2023 11:52:56 GMT 1
Barnsley kicked out of the competition for playing an ineligible player.
Forest Green Rovers ordered to replay their fixture for playing an ineligible player.
Seems legit.
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Post by detox on Dec 7, 2023 12:08:42 GMT 1
well in 1961 we were a low lying team in division 2 and drew Wolverhampton from Division 1, the cup holders, away....and the rest is history (and I was there....as were the BBC) Maybe we should bring Denis Law out of retirement. He was sold the year before... |
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Post by mosher on Dec 7, 2023 12:19:06 GMT 1
Barnsley kicked out of the competition for playing an ineligible player. Forest Green Rovers ordered to replay their fixture for playing an ineligible player. Seems legit. That's a disgrace, should be the same punishment. Why weren't Barnsley allowed to replay their fixture? Northern? |
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Post by andyeastleake on Dec 7, 2023 12:19:24 GMT 1
You missed out on a Luton ticket and haven't stopped bleating on about it at every opportunity. That's a misleading, inaccurate and unfair comment Pete & I think you know it. I was critical of the BWF priority from the time it was first introduced (2007) given that it meant money trumped loyalty. I banged on and on (& TBF probably on) about it for years until the reasonably priced Terrier On Tour card was introduced (2016). When the loyalty scheme ceased in 2021 I posted strongly against its withdrawl. As soon as the BWF priority was re-introduced in a shameful manner by Mr Hoyle, I again posted at length at its unfairness long before that play off game's opponents were likely (I was still hopeful (& had a small amount on) of a top 2 finish). I've continued to bang on about the inappropriate and unfair policy and it's likely that will go on (& will not apologise for that fact). To suggest my postings are solely due to missing out on a Luton ticket is just sh8*te purely and simply (and as I say I think you're aware of that). |
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 7, 2023 12:31:25 GMT 1
Barnsley kicked out of the competition for playing an ineligible player. Forest Green Rovers ordered to replay their fixture for playing an ineligible player. Seems legit. That's a disgrace, should be the same punishment. Why weren't Barnsley allowed to replay their fixture? Northern? It's apparently down to the reason for the ineligibility. Unless I've misunderstood: Apparently Forest Green played a loan player without permission from the parent club. Barnsley played someone in the replay (not the initial tie) that had not been correctly registered before the initial tie (but had been by the time of the replay). If anyone can explain how Barnsley's error is worse than FGR's, they're welcome to but as far as I can see, if anything Barnsley's is the less serious error - i.e. less likely to have been done deliberately. |
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Post by mosher on Dec 7, 2023 12:36:36 GMT 1
That's a disgrace, should be the same punishment. Why weren't Barnsley allowed to replay their fixture? Northern? It's apparently down to the reason for the ineligibility. Unless I've misunderstood: Apparently Forest Green played a loan player without permission from the parent club. Barnsley played someone in the replay (not the initial tie that had not been correctly registered before the initial tie (but had been by the time of the replay). If anyone can explain how Barnsley's error is worse than FGR's, they're welcome to but as far as I can see, if anything Barnsley's is the less serious error - i.e. less likely to have been done deliberately. I hadn't read the full explanation. FFS that makes it worse. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 7, 2023 12:52:11 GMT 1
Barnsley were guilty of playing a player in the replay who hadnt been eligible for the 1st game...apparently it doesnt work like that. If youre ineligible for the first game, youre also ineligible for any replays.
Thats a huge blunder on their part as its something they really should have known and will have faced many times before.
Not sure why thats worse than what FGR did though, as likewise they will know full well they need permission from parent club for any loan player to play.
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Post by irverino on Dec 7, 2023 13:01:37 GMT 1
I can only think that it was FGR who came clean when the mistake was realised on Friday & notified the FA......The replayed game will be at Scarborough on Tuesday & they seem overjoyed to have another chance.
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Post by mosher on Dec 7, 2023 13:11:26 GMT 1
I can only think that it was FGR who came clean when the mistake was realised on Friday & notified the FA......The replayed game will be at Scarborough on Tuesday & they seem overjoyed to have another chance. That's all I can think of as a reason too, that they've been treated leniently because they flagged the error whereas Barnsley just got found out. Please note I don't know if either of the above is correct, just speculation. But in the interests of keeping a conspiracy alive, it's all because Barnsley are Northern and FGR are Southern. Well, almost Northern, South Yorkshire is still South, right?  |
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Post by bluemond on Dec 7, 2023 13:14:51 GMT 1
I don't ever recall him being a teacher at that time, but he might well have gone on to become one (I lost touch with him after he left but heard from others that he worked with kids). He was definitely deported & even given it was 83 or 84 time, he'd still have needed a tax code, NINo, etc. to work here which I'm assuming he didn't have. There's a few on here anyway who would have known him a lot better than I did...he was a mate at matches & occasional pub meet-ups but I never asked him about his work or background & until the day up at Riddings I probably just assumed he was a local lad. The really funny thing about him in truth was that black lads were like hen's teeth back then at football. So when he racked up, & in truth, I don't think he was a particularly violent man, more out for a good laugh really, at maybe six & a half foot tall, he must have looked terrifying to your average 'bit of a lad' on the opposition terraces. Cambridge being a case in point when I remember every time he appeared in the middle of them, a wide area of empty terrace would appear around him & some very nervous-looking coppers would be trying to work out how to get him back in our end. Aye, he was a regular Friday nights in the Fleece pub Sheepridge, think he still owes me a drink. |
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Post by DeepSpace on Dec 7, 2023 13:20:51 GMT 1
I don't ever recall him being a teacher at that time, but he might well have gone on to become one (I lost touch with him after he left but heard from others that he worked with kids). He was definitely deported & even given it was 83 or 84 time, he'd still have needed a tax code, NINo, etc. to work here which I'm assuming he didn't have. There's a few on here anyway who would have known him a lot better than I did...he was a mate at matches & occasional pub meet-ups but I never asked him about his work or background & until the day up at Riddings I probably just assumed he was a local lad. The really funny thing about him in truth was that black lads were like hen's teeth back then at football. So when he racked up, & in truth, I don't think he was a particularly violent man, more out for a good laugh really, at maybe six & a half foot tall, he must have looked terrifying to your average 'bit of a lad' on the opposition terraces. Cambridge being a case in point when I remember every time he appeared in the middle of them, a wide area of empty terrace would appear around him & some very nervous-looking coppers would be trying to work out how to get him back in our end. Aye, he was a regular Friday nights in the Fleece pub Sheepridge, think he still owes me a drink. I used to be in there myself from time to time back then. Best keep my head down in case I do as well 😒 |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 7, 2023 13:25:43 GMT 1
I can only think that it was FGR who came clean when the mistake was realised on Friday & notified the FA......The replayed game will be at Scarborough on Tuesday & they seem overjoyed to have another chance. That's all I can think of as a reason too, that they've been treated leniently because they flagged the error whereas Barnsley just got found out. Please note I don't know if either of the above is correct, just speculation. But in the interests of keeping a conspiracy alive, it's all because Barnsley are Northern and FGR are Southern. Well, almost Northern, South Yorkshire is still South, right? Far enough south for the Dingles to be cockney bastards 😉 |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Dec 7, 2023 13:46:04 GMT 1
You missed out on a Luton ticket and haven't stopped bleating on about it at every opportunity. That's a misleading, inaccurate and unfair comment Pete & I think you know it. I was critical of the BWF priority from the time it was first introduced (2007) given that it meant money trumped loyalty. I banged on and on (& TBF probably on) about it for years until the reasonably priced Terrier On Tour card was introduced (2016). When the loyalty scheme ceased in 2021 I posted strongly against its withdrawl. As soon as the BWF priority was re-introduced in a shameful manner by Mr Hoyle, I again posted at length at its unfairness long before that play off game's opponents were likely (I was still hopeful (& had a small amount on) of a top 2 finish). I've continued to bang on about the inappropriate and unfair policy and it's likely that will go on (& will not apologise for that fact). To suggest my postings are solely due to missing out on a Luton ticket is just sh8*te purely and simply (and as I say I think you're aware of that). Maybe you should show me some gratitude that I've given you a further opportunity to bang on 😁 wouldn't it be wonderful if we get to the stage where demand for away tickets outstrips supply and the club has to reconsider the categories for priority |
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Post by Carlito Brigante on Dec 7, 2023 14:00:00 GMT 1
That's a misleading, inaccurate and unfair comment Pete & I think you know it. I was critical of the BWF priority from the time it was first introduced (2007) given that it meant money trumped loyalty. I banged on and on (& TBF probably on) about it for years until the reasonably priced Terrier On Tour card was introduced (2016). When the loyalty scheme ceased in 2021 I posted strongly against its withdrawl. As soon as the BWF priority was re-introduced in a shameful manner by Mr Hoyle, I again posted at length at its unfairness long before that play off game's opponents were likely (I was still hopeful (& had a small amount on) of a top 2 finish). I've continued to bang on about the inappropriate and unfair policy and it's likely that will go on (& will not apologise for that fact). To suggest my postings are solely due to missing out on a Luton ticket is just sh8*te purely and simply (and as I say I think you're aware of that). Maybe you should show me some gratitude that I've given you a further opportunity to bang on 😁 wouldn't it be wonderful if we get to the stage where demand for away tickets outstrips supply and the club has to reconsider the categories for priority I keep totting up my loyalty points in readiness 😉 |
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Post by DeepSpace on Dec 7, 2023 14:38:45 GMT 1
In anticipation of us being at the San Siro in 3 years (sure I've heard that somewhere before...  ) then the club should come up with, say, the 20 worst away days ever. So if you've ploughed through the snow to see us lose 2-0 at some village club in Devon on a Tuesday night, you're up there in priority one, a million loyalty points, no questions asked. Everyone else can sort themselves out. I've still got my ticket from the 4-0 at Macclesfield plus a few other memorable for all the wrong reasons away days so that would be me sorted.
Addendum: The game has to have been at least 20 years ago, otherwise we'll have 3000 in there straight away from our recent trip up the M621.
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Post by dugnet on Dec 7, 2023 14:48:25 GMT 1
That's a misleading, inaccurate and unfair comment Pete & I think you know it. I was critical of the BWF priority from the time it was first introduced (2007) given that it meant money trumped loyalty. I banged on and on (& TBF probably on) about it for years until the reasonably priced Terrier On Tour card was introduced (2016). When the loyalty scheme ceased in 2021 I posted strongly against its withdrawl. As soon as the BWF priority was re-introduced in a shameful manner by Mr Hoyle, I again posted at length at its unfairness long before that play off game's opponents were likely (I was still hopeful (& had a small amount on) of a top 2 finish). I've continued to bang on about the inappropriate and unfair policy and it's likely that will go on (& will not apologise for that fact). To suggest my postings are solely due to missing out on a Luton ticket is just sh8*te purely and simply (and as I say I think you're aware of that). Maybe you should show me some gratitude that I've given you a further opportunity to bang on 😁 wouldn't it be wonderful if we get to the stage where demand for away tickets outstrips supply and the club has to reconsider the categories for priority Pete, and I know I have explained this before, I was able to get a ticket for Luton away (both on points and the fact I was a B&W foundation manager) but my son and pals who I attend games with were unable to as they were not B&W foundation members, but they would have had more than enough points. As a result I missed this major game as my only choice was to go on my own (a 300+ round trip for me) or make a 150 round trip to Hudds and get on a coach. I also felt it unfair on my son and friends and wanted to stand with them. In short it was a poor decision, and in my case, penalised a loyal supporter (I had been a Patron since day 1 too) with my situation never taken into consideration. It isn't a case of "bleating on" it is a case of pointing out the correlation between B&W foundation and away priority should never have been made. It is also something that continues and if Mr Nagle's tenure starts to deliver football people wan to follow then this will continue to cause a problem. It might be a nice problem to have (that fans clamour for away tickets) but it is a problem that shouldn't exist. Will it be an issue for the City cup game? There was a thread when Mr Nagle took over that asked what the priorities are. I nominated this as being something that needed to be rethought, and it is something that needs attention. |
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Post by Manx Terrier on Dec 7, 2023 15:52:30 GMT 1
Saw this on City forum - " chris85mcfc
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My cousin, Ben Jackson, plays for Huddersfield and has been a season ticket holder at City with his Dad for 15 years.
A dream draw for him assuming he gets a start.
Like Reactions:chesterbells, Bluemoon2393, balotellishaircut and 8 others "
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Post by DeepSpace on Dec 7, 2023 16:01:46 GMT 1
Saw this on City forum - " chris85mcfc Monday at 10:35 AM #121 My cousin, Ben Jackson, plays for Huddersfield and has been a season ticket holder at City with his Dad for 15 years. A dream draw for him assuming he gets a start. Like Reactions:chesterbells, Bluemoon2393, balotellishaircut and 8 others " I was going to comment on this & say he's probably one of the few that can afford a ST ticket there, but it turns out they are actually quite reasonably priced for the most part (considering who you get to see play every week anyway). You can watch the champions of Europe every home match for about £200 less than the cheap seats at another club I can think of who have spent 50 years deluding themselves that they are champions of Europe. |
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Post by sabailand on Dec 7, 2023 16:08:00 GMT 1
Saw this on City forum - " chris85mcfc Monday at 10:35 AM #121 My cousin, Ben Jackson, plays for Huddersfield and has been a season ticket holder at City with his Dad for 15 years. A dream draw for him assuming he gets a start. Like Reactions:chesterbells, Bluemoon2393, balotellishaircut and 8 others " I was going to comment on this & say he's probably one of the few that can afford a ST ticket there, but it turns out they are actually quite reasonably priced for the most part (considering who you get to see play every week anyway). You can watch the champions of Europe every home match for about £200 less than the cheap seats at another club I can think of who have spent 50 years deluding themselves that they are champions of Europe. And at the other extreme i read the new stand at Fulham has season tickets at £3000, what perks you get for that i dont know, maybe you get a free programme.  |
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Post by terrier10 on Dec 7, 2023 16:16:03 GMT 1
Not on the tele v City…well, not in the UK anyway. Could still be a ridiculous time for International Covergae.
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Post by Dan on Dec 7, 2023 16:16:31 GMT 1
Not picked for TV so would assume Saturday 6th Jan 3pm.
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 7, 2023 16:23:34 GMT 1
Not on the tele v City…well, not in the UK anyway. Could still be a ridiculous time for International Covergae. No surprise that Man U get picked, and who gives a fuck about watching the first 2 🤷 |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Dec 7, 2023 16:34:56 GMT 1
Maybe you should show me some gratitude that I've given you a further opportunity to bang on 😁 wouldn't it be wonderful if we get to the stage where demand for away tickets outstrips supply and the club has to reconsider the categories for priority Pete, and I know I have explained this before, I was able to get a ticket for Luton away (both on points and the fact I was a B&W foundation manager) but my son and pals who I attend games with were unable to as they were not B&W foundation members, but they would have had more than enough points. As a result I missed this major game as my only choice was to go on my own (a 300+ round trip for me) or make a 150 round trip to Hudds and get on a coach. I also felt it unfair on my son and friends and wanted to stand with them. In short it was a poor decision, and in my case, penalised a loyal supporter (I had been a Patron since day 1 too) with my situation never taken into consideration. It isn't a case of "bleating on" it is a case of pointing out the correlation between B&W foundation and away priority should never have been made. It is also something that continues and if Mr Nagle's tenure starts to deliver football people wan to follow then this will continue to cause a problem. It might be a nice problem to have (that fans clamour for away tickets) but it is a problem that shouldn't exist. Will it be an issue for the City cup game? There was a thread when Mr Nagle took over that asked what the priorities are. I nominated this as being something that needed to be rethought, and it is something that needs attention. Yes I do recall that you have once or twice or even thrice. It would be a nice problem to have and am positive that the club will address away ticket priorities when it happens. Note not IF but WHEN 😉 |
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Post by mosher on Dec 7, 2023 16:37:49 GMT 1
Not on the tele v City…well, not in the UK anyway. Could still be a ridiculous time for International Covergae. No surprise that Man U get picked, and who gives a fuck about watching the first 2 🤷 It really should be the lower teams that get the TV coverage IMO It's not like PL sides need the cash and I'd much rather watch the possibility of a humiliation of arrogant sides by humble lower league clubs. Doesn't seem to happen as often nowadays, but I love giant-killings. Except when Accrington (the ref anyway) robbed us, even if we WERE crap that day. |
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Post by workshyfop on Dec 7, 2023 16:44:10 GMT 1
In answer to why FGR are allowed to replay their tie, it’s because they had permission to field a loan player (as backed up by his parent club), but had failed to notify the FA. The FA have accepted it was an administrative oversight. Scarborough now get to keep all the money from the gate and FGR don’t get any travelling expenses. Sorry if that ruins any conspiracy theories!
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Post by mosher on Dec 7, 2023 16:46:56 GMT 1
In answer to why FGR are allowed to replay their tie, it’s because they had permission to field a loan player (as backed up by his parent club), but had failed to notify the FA. The FA have accepted it was an administrative oversight. Scarborough now get to keep all the money from the gate and FGR don’t get any travelling expenses. Sorry if that ruins any conspiracy theories! Damn. They love us Northerners really  |
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Post by DeepSpace on Dec 7, 2023 16:51:36 GMT 1
In answer to why FGR are allowed to replay their tie, it’s because they had permission to field a loan player (as backed up by his parent club), but had failed to notify the FA. The FA have accepted it was an administrative oversight. Scarborough now get to keep all the money from the gate and FGR don’t get any travelling expenses. Sorry if that ruins any conspiracy theories! Are they saying though that Barnsley's breach was NOT just administrative? Which would mean that they knew full well he shouldn't play but played him anyway? Which in the modern, cameras everywhere era seems beyond stupid. |
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Post by workshyfop on Dec 7, 2023 17:32:28 GMT 1
In answer to why FGR are allowed to replay their tie, it’s because they had permission to field a loan player (as backed up by his parent club), but had failed to notify the FA. The FA have accepted it was an administrative oversight. Scarborough now get to keep all the money from the gate and FGR don’t get any travelling expenses. Sorry if that ruins any conspiracy theories! Are they saying though that Barnsley's breach was NOT just administrative? Which would mean that they knew full well he shouldn't play but played him anyway? Which in the modern, cameras everywhere era seems beyond stupid. They broke the rules, also probably accidentally, but the player was ineligible as he’d been out on loan at York when the initial tie took place and then recalled. Only players eligible for the original tie can appear in a replay. |
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Post by paulmat on Dec 7, 2023 17:33:35 GMT 1
Not picked for TV so would assume Saturday 6th Jan 3pm. Wouldn't assume that. They move a load of games on 3rd round weekend for international TV. Our games against Burnley 2 years ago and Preston last year were both 12.30 kick offs despite not being televised in the UK |
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