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Post by bogart on Dec 13, 2023 12:51:15 GMT 1
I am still bemused why Nagle would want to get involved in Town. To my mind looks like an ego trip. All this about we are like Sacramento is cobblers.
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Post by richhtfc on Dec 13, 2023 12:55:54 GMT 1
I am another who doesn't understand what DM is trying to do.. I 'think' all his decisions are led by performance stats rather than an inner ideal on how to play. Led by the science we'll remember from Bozo during and after Covid but might explain why DM seems so wooden, so robotic, so lacking in any kind of emotion during games... He's an analyst, not a traditional coach. I think back to probably his best ever moment, when he decided to play a high tempo attacking game at Sunderland. We murdered them that 1st half, they were all over the place, no space to play, harrassed out of their comfort zone by our energy..It was a famous away win. So what happened after ? We go to struggling Swansea and sit deep all game We play at home to Bristol City and play deep all game We play struggling Preston and play deep all game Why , having seen what we did to Sunderland did he not replicate that at Swansea ..they were there for the taking, we'd have gone above them in the league table ? Last night Preston arrived without a win in 4 games, without a goal in 3 games..so why sit back and concede 78% possession (and 2 goals) in that 1st half. It was a howler of a decision. Yet again, too negative, too cautious but infuriatingly the same tactics of negativity that didn't work at Swansea or Bristol City ? You'd have thought after Sunderland that we had finally found out we can play and succeed with aggressive attacking and harrassing. For the next game Burgzorg was replaced ny Ward, and Koroma by Nakiyama, a defender. Then the next game Nakiyama is replaced by Burgzorg, Thomas by the ineffective Wiles and Jackson by Koroma in a formation and tactical mish mash.. Then last night Wiles is dropped of course, as is Headley for the unfortunate Austerfield. he's making changes every game in that midfield area and cannot find the solution...We were 'pallid' last night (according to the BBC), and lacking energy and impetus according the DM. But what does he expect ? We could all see from the start that straight from kick off we dropped deep, chased shadows, stood and watched, didn't tackle..then it's 0-1 but nothing changes...by now DM knows we have a problem, but does nothing..he's hesitant, he can't believe the stats that picked this team were wrong..he has to wait until half time so he can look at the analysis before knowing what to do. he's obviously forgotten the Sunderland masterclass... and it just seems he hasn't a clue what he's doing next..is it him that's picking the team or the computer, does he decide the match tactics or is it the statistical analysis he receives because for all of us it just seems an utter mess with no clear plan. Think thats a good analysis. Ive sort of been patiently supportive of Moore, maybe convincing myself that hes just being pragmatic with a weak squad until we can strengthen in January. But I read what you've put there and cant disagree with it. I think hes making the situation worse than it needs to be ( the opposite of what warnock would be doing it has to be said ). This squad and the team he could send out there might be a challenge for any manager, but equally it isnt anywhere near as bad as his tactics and selections is making it look at the moment. Agree with that, and I’m now concerned that the players are losing confidence and belief in his methods. Last night smacked of a team who were sending a message to the manager to me.I suppose if they’ve all been told (either verbally or through the coaches formations) that as a team they aren’t good enough to compete at this level without additions it won’t exactly help them to believe in their own abilities. Difficult situation. |
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Post by dugnet on Dec 13, 2023 12:59:35 GMT 1
I am still bemused why Nagle would want to get involved in Town. To my mind looks like an ego trip. All this about we are like Sacramento is cobblers. It is a fair question isn't it? You'd hope it is to be successful (as a football club and as an individual) - if that was the case and it boosts his ego/reputation I couldn't care less. He has no historical attachment to us so you hope it his natural desire to be successful, and perhaps popular. He'll get found out if his motives are anything other than this. I would note that I don't think there is anything that worries me (in his motives) but his plan and direction of travel could be more specific and clear. |
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Post by TTCMatt on Dec 13, 2023 13:04:21 GMT 1
Didnt someone post up a spoof version of that song where a fan believes hes in some kind of special relationship with Nagle? If you insist, Slaps. |
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Post by Bubbles on Dec 13, 2023 13:40:43 GMT 1
Didnt someone post up a spoof version of that song where a fan believes hes in some kind of special relationship with Nagle? If you insist, Slaps. Not seen that before! Who did this? It’s genius! |
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Post by rockwall on Dec 13, 2023 13:55:03 GMT 1
This thread has finished me off.
Late night DMs between Nagel and Dunc?
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 13, 2023 14:18:47 GMT 1
Not seen that before! Who did this? It’s genius! Well, clearly, going by his avatar, TTCMatt did it! |
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Post by desertstorm on Dec 13, 2023 15:57:01 GMT 1
The clock is ticking and time will soon be up.
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Dec 13, 2023 16:33:38 GMT 1
The clock is ticking and time will soon be up. Any sort of timescales on this, a loss to Millwall the final nail in the coffin? |
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Post by richhtfc on Dec 13, 2023 16:54:58 GMT 1
This thread has finished me off. Late night DMs between Nagel and Dunc? Dunc is now representing us all 😳 |
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Post by jimmymcgill on Dec 13, 2023 16:59:03 GMT 1
DM said last night on radio l***so that he never looks at league tables, of no interest as he is too busy dealing with Town.Where we are in the league is he said of no interest to him as he knows where we should be!
CCan anyone make sense of that?
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Post by reverendstarbuck on Dec 13, 2023 17:10:14 GMT 1
This thread has finished me off. Late night DMs between Nagel and Dunc? To be fair, it'd be mid-afternoon in Sacramento. Now what I'd be REALLY interested in seeing, are the DMs between them when Nagle is pissed gone midnight his time and Druncan is just waking up, rancidly hungover and still figuring out which end of the toothbrush is the one that cleans his teeth |
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Post by duncfost01 on Dec 13, 2023 17:10:31 GMT 1
This thread has finished me off. Late night DMs between Nagel and Dunc? Dunc is now representing us all 😳 Reading between the lines. Nagle feels that they haven’t been given a fair chance. He quotes lack of investment over the last 5 years. He has said in the US they stick with managers longer. He believes that with some smart recruitment we will be stronger come the next transfer window. He says he has spent millions purchasing our club. He won’t discuss Moore and that was the same with Warnock. My reading between the lines. He has many companies and we are a small part of his portfolio. He doesn’t understand football, and his quotes might as well be those of Moore. He thinks we should dig in until things get better. I have had enough of “digging in”. He hasn’t replied to my DM’s last night which were all about Moore’s tactics and the falling attendances. I’m not sure he is that bothered which league we are in. |
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Post by Dan on Dec 13, 2023 17:12:01 GMT 1
The clock is ticking and time will soon be up. I'd be a bit happier about this if the clock was ticking on the bloke who will be interviewing for the next manager also. |
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Post by reverendstarbuck on Dec 13, 2023 17:13:02 GMT 1
I didn’t receive any DM’s last night, but it’s safe to assume he knows what I thought about that performance. The coaching was truly embarrassing. At 3-1 down we had 4 players marking one striker. My DM’s last merely pointed out the lack Of coaching and questioned what Moore is actually doing. None aggressive, just factual. I know for a fact that your direct criticism made Neil Warnock a much better manager. You'd think that if Warnock passed on any information at all to the new regime, it was 'don't under any circumstances engage with Duncfrost' |
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Post by duncfost01 on Dec 13, 2023 17:16:12 GMT 1
This thread has finished me off. Late night DMs between Nagel and Dunc? To be fair, it'd be mid-afternoon in Sacramento. Now what I'd be REALLY interested in seeing, are the DMs between them when Nagle is pissed gone midnight his time and Druncan is just waking up, rancidly hungover and still figuring out which end of the toothbrush is the one that cleans his teeth Just for clarity. Nagle started with the DM’s not me after I said Warnock will be gone by Xmas. Unlike Sunak I won’t lose or delete them and maybe when this nightmare ownership is over I will share them. I was right about Warnock and it was nothing to do with what was happening on the pitch. |
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Post by Tiro on Dec 13, 2023 17:16:24 GMT 1
Didnt someone post up a spoof version of that song where a fan believes hes in some kind of special relationship with Nagle? If you insist, Slaps. THAT. IS. F-ING. BRILLIANT. Even nailed Deano's accent/voice. |
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Post by clydeshalfarm on Dec 13, 2023 17:16:43 GMT 1
This isn't me trying to be "billy big bollox". Ive watched town for over 50 years and I love my club. I know my emotions have run high, been too irrational at times, been unfair at times. I HAVE. I have also a DM chain with Kevin Nagle that has been going on since I set-up the thread 'Warnock will gone by xmas". If Moore isn't gone by tomorrow I will share them and leave it upto you decide. My Own Opinion ? Kev is a billionaire and doesn't really give a fuck about town. He is investing and gets massive tax breaks in US (as I understand it).. Ive given him a write to reply. If not I will also share the messages here and with the EFL. We can talk about due diligence then. Please dont abuse me for sharing, I do it as town fan. Something Nagle is not. Shut up you big attention seeking baby your always moaning and when anyone disagrees with you block them. Just go back to bed with your dummy and get your mum to tuck you in. |
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Post by mosher on Dec 13, 2023 17:19:33 GMT 1
This thread has finished me off. Late night DMs between Nagel and Dunc? To be fair, it'd be mid-afternoon in Sacramento. Now what I'd be REALLY interested in seeing, are the DMs between them when Nagle is pissed gone midnight his time and Druncan is just waking up, rancidly hungover and still figuring out which end of the toothbrush is the one that cleans his teeth  |
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Post by sonny on Dec 13, 2023 17:20:46 GMT 1
As said elsewhere, Americans don't understand relegation. Nagle will probably suggest cheerleaders.
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Post by shawsie on Dec 13, 2023 17:21:29 GMT 1
Dunc is now representing us all 😳 Reading between the lines. Nagle feels that they haven’t been given a fair chance. He quotes lack of investment over the last 5 years. He has said in the US they stick with managers longer. He believes that with some smart recruitment we will be stronger come the next transfer window. He says he has spent millions purchasing our club. He won’t discuss Moore and that was the same with Warnock. My reading between the lines. He has many companies and we are a small part of his portfolio. He doesn’t understand football, and his quotes might as well be those of Moore. He thinks we should dig in until things get better. I have had enough of “digging in”. He hasn’t replied to my DM’s last night which were all about Moore’s tactics and the falling attendances. I’m not sure he is that bothered which league we are in. He's spot on about a lack of investment for 5 years that's for sure. As such (and he who pays the piper calls the tune ultimately), he's probably right to give DM time if they have identified targets, are happy with them and are close to getting them and see where we are in Feb time - dangerous if we perform like last night over the next 5 or 6 though cos we wont get a point if we do and will be cut adrift. Also dangerous to entrust him with resources if you dont trust him to get it right - and currently I dont to be honest. The big thins the hierarchy need to understand is how tired and bored large parts of the fan base are - its the opposite of entertainment right now and when you bring him in extolling his playing style it aint a great look. If we dont pick up at least a win from the next two games, the club might get a big attendance shock on Boxing Day...............and not a pleasant one! Folks wont sit in the cold paying to watch the mostly drivel seen in the last few home games. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Dec 13, 2023 17:21:43 GMT 1
I know for a fact that your direct criticism made Neil Warnock a much better manager. You'd think that if Warnock passed on any information at all to the new regime, it was 'don't under any circumstances engage with Duncfrost' Are you really that gullible ? Warnock was not on Datm. The quotes were pulled up for him. Probably by his son - the agent - which is the real reason why Warnock isn’t here. In typical mr ego fashion he dropped a few bombs as he left. Warnock did an incredible job, but we are paying for it now. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Dec 13, 2023 17:23:02 GMT 1
This isn't me trying to be "billy big bollox". Ive watched town for over 50 years and I love my club. I know my emotions have run high, been too irrational at times, been unfair at times. I HAVE. I have also a DM chain with Kevin Nagle that has been going on since I set-up the thread 'Warnock will gone by xmas". If Moore isn't gone by tomorrow I will share them and leave it upto you decide. My Own Opinion ? Kev is a billionaire and doesn't really give a fuck about town. He is investing and gets massive tax breaks in US (as I understand it).. Ive given him a write to reply. If not I will also share the messages here and with the EFL. We can talk about due diligence then. Please dont abuse me for sharing, I do it as town fan. Something Nagle is not. Shut up you big attention seeking baby your always moaning and when anyone disagrees with you block them. Just go back to bed with your dummy and get your mum to tuck you in. Happy to block you. |
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Post by Dan on Dec 13, 2023 17:23:23 GMT 1
You'd think that if Warnock passed on any information at all to the new regime, it was 'don't under any circumstances engage with Duncfrost' Are you really that gullible ? Warnock was not on Datm. The quotes were pulled up for him. Probably by his son - the agent - which is the real reason why Warnock isn’t here. In typical mr ego fashion he dropped a few bombs as he left. Warnock did an incredible job, but we are paying for it now. You do know you're not telling us anything new and that all that has been discussed on here many times since he left? |
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Post by duncfost01 on Dec 13, 2023 17:29:34 GMT 1
Are you really that gullible ? Warnock was not on Datm. The quotes were pulled up for him. Probably by his son - the agent - which is the real reason why Warnock isn’t here. In typical mr ego fashion he dropped a few bombs as he left. Warnock did an incredible job, but we are paying for it now. You do know you're not telling us anything new and that all that has been discussed on here many times since he left? Apologies. But it annoys me that people believe everything Warnock said. |
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Post by Dan on Dec 13, 2023 17:38:41 GMT 1
You do know you're not telling us anything new and that all that has been discussed on here many times since he left? Apologies. But it annoys me that people believe everything Warnock said. They don't. It was clear to many that there must have been other factors going on and he wasn't sacked for football reasons. The club handled it with class by giving him his press conference and farewell match etc, not muddying his name at all. Sharing screenshots of private messages between the owner and yourself will help absolutely no-one. God knows what Kevin was thinking sending you any confidential information in the first place. Given your knowledge of this information, I'm not sure what your gripe is with the owner. He came in, got Warnock back which looked impossible, got rid at the right time. We'll wait and see if he makes the next change in good time. If he didn't give a fuck about Town it would have been a hell of a lot cheaper to get someone other than Warnock to start with, and to turn a blind eye to his antics so he didn't have to pay his full year up and appoint another set of staff on 3 year deals. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Dec 13, 2023 17:45:47 GMT 1
Not all.
My gripe with the owner ?
A football club needs the owner to be hands on. Present. Look what happened when Dean was ill and had to leave others to run the club.
If had been sat in the directors box last night he would have learned so much more than what gets “reported” back to him.
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Post by andyeastleake on Dec 13, 2023 17:50:23 GMT 1
He came in, got Warnock back which looked impossible, got rid at the right time. Not sure about that bit TBH. Although as you say debated before (but I'd strongly suggest you're in the minority with that view). |
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Post by dugnet on Dec 13, 2023 17:55:15 GMT 1
Not all. My gripe with the owner ? A football club needs the owner to be hands on. Present. Look what happened when Dean was ill and had to leave others to run the club. If had been sat in the directors box last night he would have learned so much more than what gets “reported” back to him. So the Sheik at Man City attends every game, those in charge of Fenway at Liverpool? That's a naive view in as much as pretty much all of social media, media outlets and empty seats will tell a different story. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Dec 13, 2023 17:58:46 GMT 1
Not all. My gripe with the owner ? A football club needs the owner to be hands on. Present. Look what happened when Dean was ill and had to leave others to run the club. If had been sat in the directors box last night he would have learned so much more than what gets “reported” back to him. So the Sheik at Man City attends every game, those in charge of Fenway at Liverpool? That's a naive view in as much as pretty much all of social media, media outlets and empty seats will tell a different story. Not really. Man City sign who they want. Liverpool the same. Theh have sell out stadiums. We are a small club. A club with huge problems - if it was my money and I cared I would be all over it. |
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