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Post by terriersyndrome on Dec 18, 2023 21:12:20 GMT 1
15 game in with a 13.33% win ratio and averaging less than a point a game, why is he still here? The football is abysmal and his tactics are as negative as I've ever known and his in game management is baffling. Get rid! Would you get rid if it meant we would have to spend our transfer budget in compensation? If our entire budget is used up sacking a manager that was in league 1 last season and out of work then either the budget wouldn't make any real difference to the squad strength or the club are paying far too much. The sell-on fee for Coady alone should more than cover it. |
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Post by irverino on Dec 18, 2023 21:14:02 GMT 1
15 game in with a 13.33% win ratio and averaging less than a point a game, why is he still here? The football is abysmal and his tactics are as negative as I've ever known and his in game management is baffling. Get rid! 1/3 of a season, how much more before its too late.....Sack him (& rest of staff) for breach of contract if he won't walk. |
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Post by harris on Dec 18, 2023 21:17:11 GMT 1
Would you get rid if it meant we would have to spend our transfer budget in compensation? If our entire budget is used up sacking a manager that was in league 1 last season and out of work then either the budget wouldn't make any real difference to the squad strength or the club are paying far too much. The sell-on fee for Coady alone should more than cover it. I can definitely see him and his staff’s salaries totalling a few million over the length of their contract (assume their contract is paid off in full… not entirely sure how these things work in fairness). A few million that would be better spent on players than another managerial sacking. Edit - plus salaries of new manager and backroom staff. Waste of the budget at this stage imo |
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Post by conman on Dec 18, 2023 21:18:49 GMT 1
All of it no , half of it yes.. Relegation will cost us a lot more , and that's where we're heading at this moment in time.. We’re surely looking at millions in compensation on 3+ year deals for Moore and his staff. Personally I’d give the recruitment team a chance with a half decent budget, even if it’s under Moore. Otherwise we will end up in the same old cycle of shopping in the bargain basement, same shit squad, likely another shit manager. Granted, this is assuming we will spend. If not then get him gone tomorrow to give us a chance. But I do think making the squad better is a priority, even Warnock would be in a similar spot with us right now. I strongly disagree with that last sentence.. |
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Post by harris on Dec 18, 2023 21:23:22 GMT 1
We’re surely looking at millions in compensation on 3+ year deals for Moore and his staff. Personally I’d give the recruitment team a chance with a half decent budget, even if it’s under Moore. Otherwise we will end up in the same old cycle of shopping in the bargain basement, same shit squad, likely another shit manager. Granted, this is assuming we will spend. If not then get him gone tomorrow to give us a chance. But I do think making the squad better is a priority, even Warnock would be in a similar spot with us right now. I strongly disagree with that last sentence.. That’s fair enough, but we weren’t exactly setting the world alight before his departure this season. And we didn’t have as many injury issues under him than Moore. |
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Post by conman on Dec 18, 2023 21:29:10 GMT 1
I strongly disagree with that last sentence.. That’s fair enough, but we weren’t exactly setting the world alight before his departure this season. And we didn’t have as many injury issues under him than Moore. I guess we'll never know really , but it's just my gut feeling . I don't think we'd have been as negative , so we could have lost the odd point , but maybe gained some extra two points . That could have made a massive difference in our current league position.. But like I said , we'll never know . It certainly wouldn't have been as dull as it's been since Moore arrived. |
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Post by Ross83 on Dec 18, 2023 21:35:27 GMT 1
A particular highlight for me has been watching Koroma, our natural LW play RW and our natural RW play LW.
Sorba can't shoot for shit or cross with his left and Koroma is a one trick pony, we all know what he's gonna do but occasionally it comes off.. so why change it to have zero effect? Baffling.
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Post by waggers on Dec 18, 2023 21:39:36 GMT 1
If our entire budget is used up sacking a manager that was in league 1 last season and out of work then either the budget wouldn't make any real difference to the squad strength or the club are paying far too much. The sell-on fee for Coady alone should more than cover it. I can definitely see him and his staff’s salaries totalling a few million over the length of their contract (assume their contract is paid off in full… not entirely sure how these things work in fairness). A few million that would be better spent on players than another managerial sacking. Edit - plus salaries of new manager and backroom staff. Waste of the budget at this stage imo I saw a post from someone the other day stating that if sacked now Moore and his team won't have their entire 3 year contracts paid off in full. There will be pay offs but nowhere near the full contact of each. I think Moore will be given a few games post January, I think we'll still be as bad as we are now and he'll be gone. |
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Post by harris on Dec 18, 2023 21:40:59 GMT 1
I can definitely see him and his staff’s salaries totalling a few million over the length of their contract (assume their contract is paid off in full… not entirely sure how these things work in fairness). A few million that would be better spent on players than another managerial sacking. Edit - plus salaries of new manager and backroom staff. Waste of the budget at this stage imo I saw a post from someone the other day stating that if sacked now Moore and his team won't have their entire 3 year contracts paid off in full. There will be pay offs but nowhere near the full contact of each. I think Moore will be given a few games post January, I think we'll still be as bad as we are now and he'll be gone. Well that’s good to hear if true. I think it’s fair enough to give him some decent players to work with and then judge, as long as we keep chipping away until then. |
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Post by Ross83 on Dec 18, 2023 21:49:03 GMT 1
Kevin could bring Messi over with him and Moore would likely stick him in goal!
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Post by Flowerdisco on Dec 18, 2023 21:53:34 GMT 1
15 game in with a 13.33% win ratio and averaging less than a point a game, why is he still here? The football is abysmal and his tactics are as negative as I've ever known and his in game management is baffling. Get rid! Would you get rid if it meant we would have to spend our transfer budget in compensation? That's a good question. It's the tactics that DM employs that makes our weak squad even weaker. Would getting new players in improve DMs managerial skills? I'm doubtful. Therefore to answer your question i eould like to see KN admit they fecked up and get rid of Moore. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Dec 18, 2023 21:56:43 GMT 1
Why did DM feel the need to reverse the end we play towards when we win the toss? Haven't we chosen to play towards the 'away' end for the first 29 years? The opposition have almost always chosen to play towards their own fans in the second half. Anyway, five home games Darren's way, three draws, two defeats; two games the traditional way, one win, one draw. I know it doesn't make any difference, just like Tom Johnston's predilection for all blue shirts, or the blue shorts for all bar the play-off games in 1994-95, but I'll be glad when normal service is resumed. Might be wrong but I thought Warnock had a similar view and wanted to play towards South Stand in the 2nd half? Couldn’t give a toss, personally, as I’m on the half way line but I’m always irritated when Town play towards us first when away. |
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Post by Flowerdisco on Dec 18, 2023 21:56:50 GMT 1
My question is if KN lived over here and attended all the games would he have got rid of DM by now?
I'm sure DH or PH would have
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Post by irverino on Dec 18, 2023 21:59:59 GMT 1
Crazy scenario on Saturday is if Town somehow manage to win (or even draw) it could almost spell the end of David Wagner's short time at Norwich.....Seen off QPR & SW recently at Carrow road, 3rd time unlucky?
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Post by willo on Dec 19, 2023 0:59:34 GMT 1
I strongly disagree with that last sentence.. That’s fair enough, but we weren’t exactly setting the world alight before his departure this season. And we didn’t have as many injury issues under him than Moore. We certainly wouldn’t have been flirting with relegation under Warnock. |
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Post by willo on Dec 19, 2023 1:02:10 GMT 1
I can definitely see him and his staff’s salaries totalling a few million over the length of their contract (assume their contract is paid off in full… not entirely sure how these things work in fairness). A few million that would be better spent on players than another managerial sacking. Edit - plus salaries of new manager and backroom staff. Waste of the budget at this stage imo I saw a post from someone the other day stating that if sacked now Moore and his team won't have their entire 3 year contracts paid off in full. There will be pay offs but nowhere near the full contact of each. I think Moore will be given a few games post January, I think we'll still be as bad as we are now and he'll be gone. Be too late for anyone to save us by then. |
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Post by townarentbest on Dec 19, 2023 3:36:53 GMT 1
All of it no , half of it yes.. Relegation will cost us a lot more , and that's where we're heading at this moment in time.. . Personally I’d give the recruitment team a chance with a half decent budget, even if it’s under Moore. Otherwise we will end up in the same old cycle of shopping in the bargain basement, same shit squad, likely another shit manager. Granted, this is assuming we will spend. If not then get him gone tomorrow to give us a chance. But I do think making the squad better is a priority, even Warnock would be in a similar spot with us right now. Unlikely… they’ll have 3 month notice clauses at max unless we are completely incompetent (which we presumably aren’t). |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 19, 2023 7:26:08 GMT 1
If our entire budget is used up sacking a manager that was in league 1 last season and out of work then either the budget wouldn't make any real difference to the squad strength or the club are paying far too much. The sell-on fee for Coady alone should more than cover it. I can definitely see him and his staff’s salaries totalling a few million over the length of their contract (assume their contract is paid off in full… not entirely sure how these things work in fairness). A few million that would be better spent on players than another managerial sacking. Edit - plus salaries of new manager and backroom staff. Waste of the budget at this stage imo Or keep him and his staff, get some players in and still get relegated due to him and his staff being utter shite 🤷 |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 19, 2023 7:27:37 GMT 1
Kevin could bring Messi over with him and Moore would likely stick him in goal! He's a natural right wing back |
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Post by workshyfop on Dec 19, 2023 9:05:51 GMT 1
Crazy scenario on Saturday is if Town somehow manage to win (or even draw) it could almost spell the end of David Wagner's short time at Norwich.....Seen off QPR & SW recently at Carrow road, 3rd time unlucky? I can’t see it. They’re doing okay at the moment. Unbeaten in the last four games (two wins, two draws, including away at their high-flying neighbours). |
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Post by harris on Dec 19, 2023 9:13:10 GMT 1
I can definitely see him and his staff’s salaries totalling a few million over the length of their contract (assume their contract is paid off in full… not entirely sure how these things work in fairness). A few million that would be better spent on players than another managerial sacking. Edit - plus salaries of new manager and backroom staff. Waste of the budget at this stage imo Or keep him and his staff, get some players in and still get relegated due to him and his staff being utter shite 🤷 That could happen too. Truth is, we don’t know until we improve the squad. In my opinion, we’re not going to do much better with this squad under any other manager anyway. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Dec 19, 2023 9:24:48 GMT 1
We’re surely looking at millions in compensation on 3+ year deals for Moore and his staff. Personally I’d give the recruitment team a chance with a half decent budget, even if it’s under Moore. Otherwise we will end up in the same old cycle of shopping in the bargain basement, same shit squad, likely another shit manager. Granted, this is assuming we will spend. If not then get him gone tomorrow to give us a chance. But I do think making the squad better is a priority, even Warnock would be in a similar spot with us right now. Unlikely… they’ll have 3 month notice clauses at max unless we are completely incompetent (which we presumably aren’t). You can’t legally give someone a 3 year contract with a three month notice clause, it says 3 years for a reason , it’s 3 years, unless the incumbent breaks a contract condition, ie theft, corruption, illegality etc. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Dec 19, 2023 9:29:56 GMT 1
15 game in with a 13.33% win ratio and averaging less than a point a game, why is he still here? The football is abysmal and his tactics are as negative as I've ever known and his in game management is baffling. Get rid! 1/3 of a season, how much more before its too late.....Sack him (& rest of staff) for breach of contract if he won't walk. Which part of his contract would he be in breach of? |
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Post by portugalterrier on Dec 19, 2023 9:32:41 GMT 1
1/3 of a season, how much more before its too late.....Sack him (& rest of staff) for breach of contract if he won't walk. Which part of his contract would he be in breach of? Upsetting supporters ! 😉😂 |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Dec 19, 2023 9:44:21 GMT 1
Unlikely… they’ll have 3 month notice clauses at max unless we are completely incompetent (which we presumably aren’t). You can’t legally give someone a 3 year contract with a three month notice clause, it says 3 years for a reason , it’s 3 years, unless the incumbent breaks a contract condition, ie theft, corruption, illegality etc. How about fraud....  |
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Post by benhomly on Dec 19, 2023 10:09:41 GMT 1
A particular highlight for me has been watching Koroma, our natural LW play RW and our natural RW play LW. Sorba can't shoot for shit or cross with his left and Koroma is a one trick pony, we all know what he's gonna do but occasionally it comes off.. so why change it to have zero effect? Baffling. Under Warnock last season we saw Koroma take his man on, get to the dead ball line and get crosses over so he's far from a one trick pony. Unfortunately he's a confidence player who needs the right coaching, something we're sadly lacking at the moment and have been most of the time that Koroma's been here. |
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Post by iangreaves on Dec 19, 2023 10:15:06 GMT 1
Unlikely… they’ll have 3 month notice clauses at max unless we are completely incompetent (which we presumably aren’t). You can’t legally give someone a 3 year contract with a three month notice clause, it says 3 years for a reason , it’s 3 years, unless the incumbent breaks a contract condition, ie theft, corruption, illegality etc. Impersonating a football manager? |
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Post by royrace on Dec 19, 2023 10:18:58 GMT 1
That’s fair enough, but we weren’t exactly setting the world alight before his departure this season. And we didn’t have as many injury issues under him than Moore. We certainly wouldn’t have been flirting with relegation under Warnock. Comfortably mid table with an eye on a play off push in the NY would be my guess, even with the injuries. The trajectory and form was clear at the end of last season as was the start of the improvement this season. Certainly a million times better than the dross that's been served up since he left. Well done Town  |
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Post by royrace on Dec 19, 2023 10:23:54 GMT 1
Unlikely… they’ll have 3 month notice clauses at max unless we are completely incompetent (which we presumably aren’t). You can’t legally give someone a 3 year contract with a three month notice clause, it says 3 years for a reason , it’s 3 years, unless the incumbent breaks a contract condition, ie theft, corruption, illegality etc. The length of contract is yet another monumental balls up if there is no clause, it's not like clubs were queuing down the road to sign up Darren and his team. They were out of work and had been since the summer yet we decide to steam in and offer 3 years. They'd have ended up in L1 or L2. Stupid. Looks like the Notts County coach is heading for Swansea, a tad more thought obviously going into that appointment same as SWFC and QPR. I hope Kevin is taking note. |
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Post by runner76 on Dec 19, 2023 10:55:06 GMT 1
We certainly wouldn’t have been flirting with relegation under Warnock. Comfortably mid table with an eye on a play off push in the NY would be my guess, even with the injuries. The trajectory and form was clear at the end of last season as was the start of the improvement this season. Certainly a million times better than the dross that's been served up since he left. Well done Town Not so sure about that.....Warnock has the energy and passion and skill to ignite the team at the right time when needed - like in a siege mentality. Fighting for survival on limited time he is perfect. Over an entire season, not so sure....you can't really have a trajectory that crosses end of one season and into the next (well, nice if you do....) but reality is change in squad etc this season was looking bang average from NW........it has continued under Moore.........he - and the club on all levels - need January to get the players needed and get an improvement on the grass that lifts us at least to safe and clear from the bottom three.......you can go on and on and on with all the reasons you don't think that is a good idea, but it is really clear from the owner that is likely to happen......it will take a massive change to change their mind and I don't see it happening as it's too late in the day with January so close |
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