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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Dec 13, 2023 23:01:59 GMT 1
How I look at it Nagle has employed people to handle the football side of things and they are the ones who have let him down. Absolutely. The club seems to be making decent strides off the pitch, but it is the on field performance that is awful. The investment in January will need to be significant.
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Post by desertstorm on Dec 13, 2023 23:05:20 GMT 1
Investment in January is key, the fans are losing interest because what’s happening on the pitch is utter boring rubbish football and we as supporters are starting to question if the new management / owners are really up to the job of running our beloved club . We will love you KN and give you the adulation and respect you deserve if you make this club great again, good luck. Do we honestly want Moore spending whatever budget we might have? sit tight
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Post by stevvy on Dec 13, 2023 23:06:15 GMT 1
The investment in January will need to be significant. Not only that, but it has to be on quality players that we know can play at this level. If we spend money on 'project' players, or hopeful punts in January, we're fucked.
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Dec 13, 2023 23:07:16 GMT 1
Do we honestly want Moore spending whatever budget we might have? sit tight does this mean?
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Post by boooothy on Dec 13, 2023 23:08:16 GMT 1
I can’t help thinking this fan meltdown is a little premature. Don’t get me wrong relegation would be an absolute disaster, one i don’t see a short term fix from.
However, there is a transfer window coming. It really could be one signing that gets us out of this and Kevin is clearly taking it very seriously. In the longer term i’m really excited about his vision for us. Maybe i’m naive and he’s full of shit but i don’t believe for a minute he’s got involved for us to shit. What be the fun/point in it for him?
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Post by dugnet on Dec 13, 2023 23:08:29 GMT 1
The investment in January will need to be significant. Not only that, but it has to be on quality players that we know can play at this level. If we spend money on 'project' players, or hopeful punts in January, we're fucked. I agree but not every transfer works, but if there's intent then we can take some encouragement from that.
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Post by htfcterry on Dec 13, 2023 23:08:34 GMT 1
Do we honestly want Moore spending whatever budget we might have? sit tight Bearing in mind your posts have been particularly accurate in the past, what do you mean by this?
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 13, 2023 23:09:53 GMT 1
does this mean? He doesn't want you falling off the settee, bud 😉
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Post by Metch on Dec 13, 2023 23:12:45 GMT 1
Kevin,good words, but he needs to learn from his mistakes quickly.Its traditionally very hard to pick up decent players in January. The most decisive improvement he can make is to remove Moore and find a new inspiring manager, a difficult ask.
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Post by dugnet on Dec 13, 2023 23:15:58 GMT 1
I can’t help thinking this fan meltdown is a little premature. Don’t get me wrong relegation would be an absolute disaster, one i don’t see a short term fix from. However, there is a transfer window coming. It really could be one signing that gets us out of this and Kevin is clearly taking it very seriously. In the longer term i’m really excited about his vision for us. Maybe i’m naive and he’s full of shit but i don’t believe for a minute he’s got involved for us to shit. What be the fun/point in it for him? The primary cause of the "fan meltdown" is what we are watching, and expected to get behind, on the pitch. It is dire. There will always be questions about the running of the club but the fundamentals on the pitch aren't remotely close to being acceptable. I agree that he hasn't taken us on to be lousy but I think he is learning. The issue with the window is twofold: Is the manager capable of creating a winning formula? Can we attract significantly better players than we have (it is a low bar I know) now? If DM doesn't improve things in the immediate games the question about his suitability has to be answered. I don't think he has any leeway with the vast majority of fans. We need to be realistic and be prepared to take a tough decision.
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Post by nicovaesen on Dec 13, 2023 23:16:08 GMT 1
Do we honestly want Moore spending whatever budget we might have? sit tight Like a fat person on an airplane or in the literal sense?
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Post by terriersyndrome on Dec 13, 2023 23:16:55 GMT 1
We're not just customers, we're, mostly, lifelong supporters of the club, our families have supported the club through generations. It's not just something that you turn up to on a Saturday, it's in our blood. It's what we discuss at length at work, at home, with family, friends and strangers alike. The rivalries are intense, the passion is high and the badge belongs to the fans. If the team doesn't play with pride for the badge, like last night, we'll let them know. If the manager isn't cutting it, we'll let him and the owner know.
The previous transfer window was nothing short of a disaster. The decision to get rid of Warnock was criminal and smacked of a group that had no idea what they're doing. We got rid of over 20 players and brought in 4. We've had games this season where we can't even fill the bench, totally unacceptable at this level.
Where were the boots on the ground in the summer? It's the worst transfer window I can remember. NW stated we needed a striker as his number 1 priority, literally everyone knew that apart from the people at the top, when NW questioned it he was out of the door.
Why will the January window be any different?
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Post by Mastercracker on Dec 13, 2023 23:17:05 GMT 1
Very good message. But it needs backing up with actions, and January signings need to be early not deadline day.
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Post by dugnet on Dec 13, 2023 23:22:30 GMT 1
does this mean? It's a fair question. I read it to mean that the situation is now under scrutiny. Get a drubbing at the Den and surely a decision will be taken.
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Post by Sio on Dec 13, 2023 23:25:15 GMT 1
does this mean? It's a fair question. I read it to mean that the situation is now under scrutiny. Get a drubbing at the Den and surely a decision will be taken. I read it as the opposite. Prepare to see a transfer window under Moore's management.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Dec 13, 2023 23:25:35 GMT 1
Where does DM go from here? "As I see it, supporters need something to support, and being honest- there’s not much there right now when it comes to results and entertainment on the pitch" All on Darren. He sets us up to play the way we do. Frustratingly he has all his managerial career so it begs the question WHY him in the first place. "You are the customers, you spend your time and hard earned money to escape from the realities of the world for a few hours a week, and in return you deserve a product worthy of your time and money. To be frank, we are not currently holding up our end of the bargain. I’m not interested in blame, or fault, I’m only interested in identifying and assessing problems, and solving them as quick as possible." You blaming someone Kevin. It's DM. We didn't feel like this with Warnock. DMs position was untenable before this and now it's absolutely ridiculous he's still here. What can he do now for Saturday, play defensive he's ignoring what the owners said. Play offensive and he looks weak. YOU appointed him Kevin knowing the way he plays football. Back him or get rid. Moore will have been recommended to k.Nagle by Cartwright and Edwards. I hope they will also be being assessed in January.
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Post by boooothy on Dec 13, 2023 23:26:27 GMT 1
I can’t help thinking this fan meltdown is a little premature. Don’t get me wrong relegation would be an absolute disaster, one i don’t see a short term fix from. However, there is a transfer window coming. It really could be one signing that gets us out of this and Kevin is clearly taking it very seriously. In the longer term i’m really excited about his vision for us. Maybe i’m naive and he’s full of shit but i don’t believe for a minute he’s got involved for us to shit. What be the fun/point in it for him? The primary cause of the "fan meltdown" is what we are watching, and expected to get behind, on the pitch. It is dire. There will always be questions about the running of the club but the fundamentals on the pitch aren't remotely close to being acceptable. I agree that he hasn't taken us on to be lousy but I think he is learning. The issue with the window is twofold: Is the manager capable of creating a winning formula? Can we attract significantly better players than we have (it is a low bar I know) now? If DM doesn't improve things in the immediate games the question about his suitability has to be answered. I don't think he has any leeway with the vast majority of fans. We need to be realistic and be prepared to take a tough decision. Agree with most of that but the manager/coach is always short term. It’s no different to having a terrible goalkeeper. They either get better or they get binned, or they get a lot better and move on the better things. Darren Moore will be gone eventually, it’s much more important what the owner has planned than who currently sits in the dugout hot seat.
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Post by Benhamer1 on Dec 13, 2023 23:26:40 GMT 1
Do we honestly want Moore spending whatever budget we might have? sit tight Sit tight for what? Any clues about
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Post by softboy on Dec 13, 2023 23:28:26 GMT 1
Things go badly, the fans are in revolt. So KN does the right thing again, he sends us a message. That’s it really.
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Post by dugnet on Dec 13, 2023 23:32:10 GMT 1
It's a fair question. I read it to mean that the situation is now under scrutiny. Get a drubbing at the Den and surely a decision will be taken. I read it as the opposite. Prepare to see a transfer window under Moore's management. You might be right, I don't think Moore can sustain another dismal show though. If we are poor again on Saturday, and a few will have paid their hard earned to attend, I can’t personally see how he credibly survives. I'm not seeing enough footballing nous from DM to give me confidence he's a window away from improving sufficiently.
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Dec 13, 2023 23:33:56 GMT 1
"Dear Darren
As you may recall, our offer of employment was conditional upon satisfactory completion of a probationary period of 3 months.
With one week remaining of this 3 month period, it is clear to that we will not be in a position to consider this probationary period to have been passed to our satisfaction.
Therefore, with regret, we are relieving you of all duties with immediate effect. Your access pass will be revoked at 5pm tomorrow.
You can keep the coat.
All the best for the future, and thanks for the hard work,
Kevin Nagle Owner Huddersfield Town
P.s. Merry Christmas"
There you go. Drafted it for you Kev
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Post by dugnet on Dec 13, 2023 23:35:46 GMT 1
The primary cause of the "fan meltdown" is what we are watching, and expected to get behind, on the pitch. It is dire. There will always be questions about the running of the club but the fundamentals on the pitch aren't remotely close to being acceptable. I agree that he hasn't taken us on to be lousy but I think he is learning. The issue with the window is twofold: Is the manager capable of creating a winning formula? Can we attract significantly better players than we have (it is a low bar I know) now? If DM doesn't improve things in the immediate games the question about his suitability has to be answered. I don't think he has any leeway with the vast majority of fans. We need to be realistic and be prepared to take a tough decision. Agree with most of that but the manager/coach is always short term. It’s no different to having a terrible goalkeeper. They either get better or they get binned, or they get a lot better and move on the better things. Darren Moore will be gone eventually, it’s much more important what the owner has planned than who currently sits in the dugout hot seat. Surely the plan has to be to have a credible manager who can deliver for a significant period of being in charge? DM, even taking into account mitigations, isn't showing enough. With a keeper you have someone who can immediately step in.
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Post by Mav on Dec 13, 2023 23:36:51 GMT 1
"Dear Darren As you may recall, our offer of employment was conditional upon satisfactory completion of a probationary period of 3 months. With one week remaining of this 3 month period, it is clear to that we will not be in a position to consider this probationary period to have been passed to our satisfaction. Therefore, with regret, we are relieving you of all duties with immediate effect. Your access pass will be revoked at 5pm tomorrow. You can keep the coat. All the best for the future, and thanks for the hard work, Kevin Nagle Owner Huddersfield Town P.s. Merry Christmas" There you go. Drafted it for you Kev Excellent…. If only that was ‘a thing’. 😊
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Post by dugnet on Dec 13, 2023 23:37:09 GMT 1
"Dear Darren As you may recall, our offer of employment was conditional upon satisfactory completion of a probationary period of 3 months. With one week remaining of this 3 month period, it is clear to that we will not be in a position to consider this probationary period to have been passed to our satisfaction. Therefore, with regret, we are relieving you of all duties with immediate effect. Your access pass will be revoked at 5pm tomorrow. You can keep the coat. All the best for the future, and thanks for the hard work, Kevin Nagle Owner Huddersfield Town P.s. Merry Christmas" There you go. Drafted it for you Kev If only that was the contract he signed... you could get a role as Mr Nagle's enforcer though.
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Post by Will on Dec 13, 2023 23:40:56 GMT 1
This gives me some hope. Well said KN.
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Post by royrace on Dec 13, 2023 23:46:54 GMT 1
Great message Kevin, thankyou.
The only part I'm slightly concerned about is the word "sustainable". Championship clubs aren't "sustainable"; in the normal sense of the word, but I'm sure you already know that.
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Post by townrwe on Dec 13, 2023 23:50:27 GMT 1
A message for Kevin.... Unusually... for an American? I actually quite like the cut of your jib, and your two sidekicks. The face of USA huddersfield is much better than UK huddersfield at the moment, even communication is better. Feet on the ground In January is commendable and I hope you have a reasonable budget to back up the plans. However, the thing is Kev.. really fans don't want players and managers we don't associate with, you may have bought a bad or good egg in that respect. We want players and managers that represent the hardworking, no excuses, up for the fight folk of huddersfield. We will accept losing if we give it a go. We will accept someone struggling but putting their body on the line, We want to see passion from the manager, passion from the players, but it must be real, not staged. Darren was a bad choice in that respect. His lack of passion, his lack of winning attitude and his excuses for not been able to play football are not huddersfield values. He doesn't and will never represent the values of huddersfield. Jake Edwards I like, but his cooperate image isn't one of huddersfield, look at Dave Baldwin as the type of bloke that wins fans over.... however, jake seems a good sort. Cartwright is a strange one, he's been out of the English game for so long, that there is a feeling we have come into this 10 years behind the 8 ball. His first foray into the transfer market and management recruitment has been very underwhelming.... to say the least. It's also nice to see the improvements around the ground and even the effort of a lightshow. Its not all bad, it wouldn't take alot to get us moving forward..... but a plan, a style of play, a philosophy and a relatable face heading up the town, would be an easy win. I have a mutual friend of Darren, he says he's a good guy, knows him as Dave....the problem is that as nice a guy as he is, that's not coming across and he is bringing limits to the club that shouldnt exist. History has shown that the right manager is more important than the right players, no amount of media training or PR is pulling the wool over the eyes of town fans. I'll leave you with this one, My son who should be too old to cry over bad results, left the stadium with tears welling in his eyes, not because of the result, or the effort the players showed, but the toxic nature of the crowd and the atmosphere it created, that is down to Darren, he wants to go and watch non-league next week, changed his santa list from town to a pewits hat.. We were at Leeds, we were at Cardif, we go home and away. But yesterday was way more toxic than any game I've ever been at. Fans fighting amongst themselves. Its a fickle sport in the UK. I feel like it's probably a world away from sport in the US. Fail to act quick enough and the fans will round on you. Good luck Kev... don't put off until tomorrow what you should have done today.
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Post by impact on Dec 13, 2023 23:57:20 GMT 1
Maybe it's the negativity around at the moment but this statement doesn't really do anything for me. Nagle is a very good communicator, but so far the majority of the big calls on his watch have been terrible. I know others will like the communication but it doesn't make me any more optimistic about January.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 0:04:55 GMT 1
No mention of support for Darren Moore And no criticism either.
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Post by yoda2169 on Dec 14, 2023 0:10:01 GMT 1
No mention of support for Darren Moore Nor should there be.....DM has to earn it now. he should sack d m and then he gain a lot of faith from supporters before giving moor and money moor is wrong man tactics all wrong hasnt a clue cant coach or motivate need removing now be for we in a situationwhere we cant get out act now not wait for window or give him a chance hes had a chance and made us worse other town mangers have been sacked with better ideas and results than moor
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