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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 14, 2023 0:10:39 GMT 1
No mention of support for Darren Moore And no criticism either. Perhaps not directly, but the whole statement was laced with criticism ,, not just of Moore, but the coaches, players and the executives. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 0:16:30 GMT 1
I can’t help thinking this fan meltdown is a little premature. Don’t get me wrong relegation would be an absolute disaster, one i don’t see a short term fix from. However, there is a transfer window coming. It really could be one signing that gets us out of this and Kevin is clearly taking it very seriously. In the longer term i’m really excited about his vision for us. Maybe i’m naive and he’s full of shit but i don’t believe for a minute he’s got involved for us to shit. What be the fun/point in it for him? There will always be questions about the running of the club but the fundamentals on the pitch aren't remotely close to being acceptable. I agree that he hasn't taken us on to be lousy but I think he is learning. The issue with the window is twofold: Is the manager capable of creating a winning formula? Can we attract significantly better players than we have (it is a low bar I know) now? If DM doesn't improve things in the immediate games the question about his suitability has to be answered. I don't think he has any leeway with the vast majority of fans. We need to be realistic and be prepared to take a tough decision. It is, and I watch in trepidation rather than exhilaration most games. In truth though DM is working with the same poor quality squad that struggled most of last season. Warnock worked wonders but we improved as confidence grew when we got a few wins. It wasn't great football but we did enough and looked to have plenty of fight. We have looked to have fight under DM as well but it is all very fragile. The more you believe you can do it the more likely likely you are to do it. If KN is coming over to oversee the window he will see it first hand. I'm sure he is close to his club in the States so he isn't completely new to this. If he and the team can get just two or three good players to join, especially attacking midfield and strikers, it could lift the whole team. We need to see how we do in the window and how DM uses the new resources. Good message from KN. We all need some positivelty right now. |
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Post by detox on Dec 14, 2023 0:17:52 GMT 1
The axe man cometh.
How many heads will fall though.?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 0:19:36 GMT 1
Perhaps not directly, but the whole statement was laced with criticism ,, not just of Moore, but the coaches, players and the executives. I would say it shows an understanding of the size of the problem. Giving votes of confidence is a real double edged sword and he is saying it is bad (but it has been for years) and he understands our frustration and is coming over to try and change things. Basically stick with us and I'll stick with you. He deserves that chance, they all do. |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Dec 14, 2023 0:28:05 GMT 1
The thing about the messages he receives from town fans on twitter is you can maybe think that’s a minority of fans.
Thousands of empty seats on the other hand paints the picture very clearly for him. We’ve had enough quite frankly.
I really like Kev and I feel those around him have let him down.
But I think if he’s making this change it has to be now. To get to January and do it significantly reduces our chances of signing any decent players, they will not want to come to a club without a manager or languishing in the bottom 3.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 14, 2023 0:28:13 GMT 1
Perhaps not directly, but the whole statement was laced with criticism ,, not just of Moore, but the coaches, players and the executives. I would say it shows an understanding of the size of the problem. Giving votes of confidence is a real double edged sword and he is saying it is bad (but it has been for years) and he understands our frustration and is coming over to try and change things. Basically stick with us and I'll stick with you. He deserves that chance, they all do. I think Moore's shown that he isnt a good enough manager to work with the squad as it is and his tactics and selections are actually making these players perform much worse than they are. Think it was someone on here that said we approach every fixture, regardless of who and where it is, like we're playing Leicester away...and its true. And I think we have better players than that, but the confidence has been stripped from pretty much every one of them to the point we have performances like last night. Whether Moore is good enough to manage a better squad well, which hopefully after January we'll have, is another matter. He has proved in the past at WBA that he is IMO. |
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Post by waggers on Dec 14, 2023 0:37:18 GMT 1
Fair do's, I believe he will do what's required in January.
I think he will come to the manager problem in the summer.
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Post by waggers on Dec 14, 2023 0:39:43 GMT 1
Perhaps not directly, but the whole statement was laced with criticism ,, not just of Moore, but the coaches, players and the executives. Thought the same. He isn't happy with what Moore is doing but also other people he has brought in to manage the football side of things. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 14, 2023 0:41:49 GMT 1
Fair do's, I believe he will do what's required in January. I think he will come to the manager problem in the summer. Yeah, hes saying hes coming here for the whole of the transfer window and talking about approaching it aggressively. It would be pretty weird after that if we didnt bring in quite a few targets. |
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Post by dugnet on Dec 14, 2023 0:44:03 GMT 1
I would say it shows an understanding of the size of the problem. Giving votes of confidence is a real double edged sword and he is saying it is bad (but it has been for years) and he understands our frustration and is coming over to try and change things. Basically stick with us and I'll stick with you. He deserves that chance, they all do. I think Moore's shown that he isnt a good enough manager to work with the squad as it is and his tactics and selections are actually making these players perform much worse than they are. Think it was someone on here that said we approach every fixture, regardless of who and where it is, like we're playing Leicester away...and its true. And I think we have better players than that, but the confidence has been stripped from pretty much every one of them to the point we have performances like last night. Whether Moore is good enough to manage a better squad well, which hopefully after January we'll have, is another matter. He has proved in the past at WBA that he is IMO. I take the point (about his record at WBA) but there's a lot of, crucial, football before we get reinforcements. If we don't see some evidence of improving on the pitch will he be given the opportunity? He hasn't got much in the way of credit with the fans and I personally can't see how he can survive if we suffer many more performances like last night. I'd prefer to see the players "having a go" (at least show some belief they can be on the front foot and take a game to opponents) than the limited approach we witnessed yesterday. NW proved we can do better, albeit not anything better than lower mid table but that would be good enough. Can we afford the gamble Darren comes through? I'm not sure we can, I certainly don't think the fans will tolerate more failures. |
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Post by detox on Dec 14, 2023 1:02:13 GMT 1
You'd think KN already has a handle on the problems, surely he's speaking to his staff running the club on a regular basis?
He's not on the moon, so I'm surprised he's saying he's basically coming over to find out what is going on. Also, assuming he has a handle on things why can't he sort it via zoom or something.
Or is he saying he's coming just for the transfer window,to do what?
It's all a bit Roy Rodgers riding into town tbh.. there's nothing here that he can't do from his desk in Sacramento...is there? I know he was coming anyway, and yes he's the owner and wants to see for himself but he could just as easily sack DM from the US .
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Post by Sio on Dec 14, 2023 1:20:32 GMT 1
You'd think KN already has a handle on the problems, surely he's speaking to his staff running the club on a regular basis? He's not on the moon, so I'm surprised he's saying he's basically coming over to find out what is going on. Also, assuming he has a handle on things why can't he sort it via zoom or something. Or is he saying he's coming just for the transfer window,to do what? It's all a bit Roy Rodgers riding into town tbh.. there's nothing here that he can't do from his desk in Sacramento...is there? I know he was coming anyway, and yes he's the owner and wants to see for himself but he could just as easily sack DM from the US . I'd imagine it's more to do with the stadium purchase than the transfer window. Nice coincidence with the timing, perhaps? |
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Post by townrwe on Dec 14, 2023 1:22:02 GMT 1
You'd think KN already has a handle on the problems, surely he's speaking to his staff running the club on a regular basis? He's not on the moon, so I'm surprised he's saying he's basically coming over to find out what is going on. Also, assuming he has a handle on things why can't he sort it via zoom or something. Or is he saying he's coming just for the transfer window,to do what? It's all a bit Roy Rodgers riding into town tbh.. there's nothing here that he can't do from his desk in Sacramento...is there? I know he was coming anyway, and yes he's the owner and wants to see for himself but he could just as easily sack DM from the US . To be fair Darren would probably prefer a text.. so he can take the evening to read it. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Dec 14, 2023 1:23:06 GMT 1
You'd think KN already has a handle on the problems, surely he's speaking to his staff running the club on a regular basis? He's not on the moon, so I'm surprised he's saying he's basically coming over to find out what is going on. Also, assuming he has a handle on things why can't he sort it via zoom or something. Or is he saying he's coming just for the transfer window,to do what? It's all a bit Roy Rodgers riding into town tbh.. there's nothing here that he can't do from his desk in Sacramento...is there? I know he was coming anyway, and yes he's the owner and wants to see for himself but he could just as easily sack DM from the US . There's an 8-hour time difference between here and California. Transfer windows are fast moving and he'll hopefully need to sign off a few things. As well it's a time for him to see how well the people he's paying are actually doing (mainly Edwards and Cartwright I'd expect). He's not met Moore yet I don't think. I also wouldn't be overly surprised if he does another Q&A.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Dec 14, 2023 1:24:15 GMT 1
Well on the one hand talk (or at least messaging on a forum) is cheap. On the other hand wealthy self made Americans don't usually muck about when there are changes to be made.
Hopefully KN will be true to his word and won't shy away from the tough (and probably expensive) decisions. Let's hope that Jan isn't too late to undo what's been done so far this season and begin seriously rebuilding from the bottom up.
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Post by tyketaffy on Dec 14, 2023 1:29:12 GMT 1
My loss of any faith in Moore is the fact that since he took over the squad they have lost all semblance of the players that Warnock moulded into a team who could at least try and take on any other team in the division and get a win however unlikly. He might be a nice guy but each game he looks and sounds more and more like Fotheringham. Totally lost faith in the man, does anyone think that had Warnock still been in charge we would have been as abysmal as this. |
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Post by willo on Dec 14, 2023 1:31:53 GMT 1
I was hoping he’d be playing right back I did reply to his tweet that I hoped his boots had studs in cos he might get a game 😉 He’s probably fitter than Tom Edwards so get him in. |
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Post by willo on Dec 14, 2023 1:35:01 GMT 1
You'd think KN already has a handle on the problems, surely he's speaking to his staff running the club on a regular basis? He's not on the moon, so I'm surprised he's saying he's basically coming over to find out what is going on. Also, assuming he has a handle on things why can't he sort it via zoom or something. Or is he saying he's coming just for the transfer window,to do what? It's all a bit Roy Rodgers riding into town tbh.. there's nothing here that he can't do from his desk in Sacramento...is there? I know he was coming anyway, and yes he's the owner and wants to see for himself but he could just as easily sack DM from the US . To be fair Darren would probably prefer a text.. so he can take the evening to read it. Harsh. 😆 |
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Post by willo on Dec 14, 2023 1:35:26 GMT 1
My loss of any faith in Moore is the fact that since he took over the squad they have lost all semblance of the players that Warnock moulded into a team who could at least try and take on any other team in the division and get a win however unlikly. He might be a nice guy but each game he looks and sounds more and more like Fotheringham. Totally lost faith in the man, does anyone think that had Warnock still been in charge we would have been as abysmal as this. Not a chance. |
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Post by sabailand on Dec 14, 2023 1:38:59 GMT 1
Where does DM go from here? "As I see it, supporters need something to support, and being honest- there’s not much there right now when it comes to results and entertainment on the pitch" All on Darren. He sets us up to play the way we do. Frustratingly he has all his managerial career so it begs the question WHY him in the first place. "You are the customers, you spend your time and hard earned money to escape from the realities of the world for a few hours a week, and in return you deserve a product worthy of your time and money. To be frank, we are not currently holding up our end of the bargain. I’m not interested in blame, or fault, I’m only interested in identifying and assessing problems, and solving them as quick as possible." You blaming someone Kevin. It's DM. We didn't feel like this with Warnock. DMs position was untenable before this and now it's absolutely ridiculous he's still here. What can he do now for Saturday, play defensive he's ignoring what the owners said. Play offensive and he looks weak. YOU appointed him Kevin knowing the way he plays football. Back him or get rid. Tbf, I doubt he appointed him or knew the way his team plays. I doubt he'd ever heard of Darren Moore. That's down to Statler & Waldorf that run the club for him. Agree, KN wont initially have known who the hell Darren Moore was, his advisors and the blokes seeing to the football/recruitment side of things are responsible for matters on the pitch. If i was a mega rich businessman wanting to invest in an American sports team i wouldnt have a bloody clue either. |
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Post by sabailand on Dec 14, 2023 1:42:46 GMT 1
My loss of any faith in Moore is the fact that since he took over the squad they have lost all semblance of the players that Warnock moulded into a team who could at least try and take on any other team in the division and get a win however unlikly. He might be a nice guy but each game he looks and sounds more and more like Fotheringham. Totally lost faith in the man, does anyone think that had Warnock still been in charge we would have been as abysmal as this. We'd still have lost games for sure, but i dont for one minute we would have more points on the board, not at all saying we'd be top half but we wouldn't be in as precarious position as we are now. |
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Post by willo on Dec 14, 2023 1:46:23 GMT 1
It's a fair question. I read it to mean that the situation is now under scrutiny. Get a drubbing at the Den and surely a decision will be taken. I read it as the opposite. Prepare to see a transfer window under Moore's management. I agree with dugnet. He’d have been gone by now if it was up to me but a pasting down at the New Den and surely it’s curtains for DM. Datm will be in meltdown again and we know KN is watching from afar. Plus we’d all want the next manager to have a handful of games pre-January to work out for himself what is required (although I bet any out of work managers - especially those that have managed at this level - will have been watching events unfold at our place and have watched us play so will have half an idea). It’s reassuring to know KN has been watching on, knows how poorly we’ve been playing and that attendances are dropping and that things will not be allowed to continue like this. Good on him! |
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Post by ritchie on Dec 14, 2023 3:06:24 GMT 1
You'd think KN already has a handle on the problems, surely he's speaking to his staff running the club on a regular basis? He's not on the moon, so I'm surprised he's saying he's basically coming over to find out what is going on. Also, assuming he has a handle on things why can't he sort it via zoom or something. Or is he saying he's coming just for the transfer window,to do what? It's all a bit Roy Rodgers riding into town tbh.. there's nothing here that he can't do from his desk in Sacramento...is there? I know he was coming anyway, and yes he's the owner and wants to see for himself but he could just as easily sack DM from the US . Think it's probably more feeling/breathing the club, the day to day, the people, the town over a period of time. So much needs change.. improvement of atmosphere, practice, professionalism, morale.. you cant get a feel for that without being there. If theres one thing he will be good at it will be managing/building a workforce/business... he's built huge businesses You probably get a bit of a facade over the phone/on short visits. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Dec 14, 2023 3:29:08 GMT 1
You'd think KN already has a handle on the problems, surely he's speaking to his staff running the club on a regular basis? He's not on the moon, so I'm surprised he's saying he's basically coming over to find out what is going on. Also, assuming he has a handle on things why can't he sort it via zoom or something. Or is he saying he's coming just for the transfer window,to do what? It's all a bit Roy Rodgers riding into town tbh.. there's nothing here that he can't do from his desk in Sacramento...is there? I know he was coming anyway, and yes he's the owner and wants to see for himself but he could just as easily sack DM from the US . To be fair Darren would probably prefer a text.. so he can take the evening to read it. toxic fckr |
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Post by Flowerdisco on Dec 14, 2023 7:19:16 GMT 1
DM to "leave" his post. Get replaced by a goach from USA get players from the USA.
Who knows? Crazier things have happened?
One things for certain we can't carry on like this. Negative, boring, poor football
Like I said previously on another thread I really wanted DM to do well.
No matter what players we bring in , the transfer window won't change DMs tactics .
I think KN knows what he needs to do
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 14, 2023 8:42:24 GMT 1
Nor should there be.....DM has to earn it now. he should sack d m and then he gain a lot of faith from supporters before giving moor and money moor is wrong man tactics all wrong hasnt a clue cant coach or motivate need removing now be for we in a situationwhere we cant get out act now not wait for window or give him a chance hes had a chance and made us worse other town mangers have been sacked with better ideas and results than moor I'm hoping Positive/Prepare is going to edit this for Yoda and put some grammar in 😁 |
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Post by ben1987 on Dec 14, 2023 8:47:07 GMT 1
Very good message. But it needs backing up with actions, and January signings need to be early not deadline day. My biggest concern now is that the players whilst thinking Moore is a nice bloke, they don’t rate him as a manager. That’s a real concern now. Bringing in players in January doesn’t necessarily solve that problem. |
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 14, 2023 8:48:38 GMT 1
Investment in January is key, the fans are losing interest because what’s happening on the pitch is utter boring rubbish football and we as supporters are starting to question if the new management / owners are really up to the job of running our beloved club . We will love you KN and give you the adulation and respect you deserve if you make this club great again, good luck. Do we honestly want Moore spending whatever budget we might have? Do we know that Darren Moore will do a shit job in the transfer market? |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Dec 14, 2023 9:16:20 GMT 1
Very good message. But it needs backing up with actions, and January signings need to be early not deadline day. My biggest concern now is that the players whilst thinking Moore is a nice bloke, they don’t rate him as a manager. That’s a real concern now. Bringing in players in January doesn’t necessarily solve that problem. I take it there's no chance of Moore getting sacked until Nagle is in the country? Struggling to see where the points are coming from between now and then with the current set up. |
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Post by harrythedog on Dec 14, 2023 9:18:55 GMT 1
Jeez, as Kevin would say, most of you on here are very easily swayed.
Has castlehill written that?
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