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Post by detox on Feb 13, 2024 15:35:38 GMT 1
Don't forget Gents, the VAT man gets one sixth of all ticket prices. If my season ticket goes up by £100 the VAT man gets £16.67 of that, and technically, there's corp tax on the balance, at least at 19% on the £83.33 although I wouldn't like to guess when Town last paid any corp tax, or any football club paid any for that matter. IMO - we've paid too little for too long for our SC's. Regardless of relegation battles or not, we can't expect champagne football on beer money. The EFL get a slice too I believe...
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Post by Sio on Feb 13, 2024 15:37:55 GMT 1
Wow lots of interesting conversation. I’ll do my best to reply: 1. When the process is OVER, and after all appropriate announcements, we’ll do a diary on the subject. Now of course, it will be vague at times (we won’t say “well Jim Smith just didn’t cut it, and Bob Holzenkirklehoffer interviewed terribly” etc), but more of how the process went and was designed. Also, I have been saving some of these “media reports” that I will read off to KN and disclose the absolute rubbish (your word) when applicable. But as we’ve tried to do, you’ll get a level of transparency not the norm, but of course we won’t publicly out or embarrass anyone, there’s just no upside. 2. I cannot stress enough that things like season ticket pricing is not my corner of the store. I have ZERO input on that whatsoever, way above my pay grade. But after reading the last few pages, let me pose a question as a radio host rather than the other guy: Would you rather pay a decent increase (I hesitate to put a number because I don’t want anyone taking that as some sort of thing being thrown around, so I’ll pick what someone said earlier- let’s say 30%) and have a team threatening to promote? Or Same prices, and fighting relegation. Now I think I’ve been here long enough to anticipate SOME answers so let me be clear: - yes you could have both lower prices and be extremely competitive, but in the scenario I’m offering you have to pick one or the other - yes I’m aware that one person’s answer and another’s will be highly based on individual finances, I’m looking for a broad feedback and not ground level I’m asking because we’ve had similar conversations over here with our local team, I’m curious as to if it’s any different/the same over here. And again, please trust me to not read anything into anything I’m saying other than that I’m curious. I’ve never lied to you and I never will, so please take at face value. Soon all the guessing will be over and we can focus on beating the hell out of all these teams coming up as we get healthier. Pip Pip Cheerio 100% increase the prices with a potential promotion candidate, but the increase needs to come either way and ticket pricing should never be alligned to expectations on the pitch the majorty would support the club however bad or well we are doing, what we need to do is increase to a level that is still the low end of the championship but is a lot more realistic than £249.00 (subject to championship status, even in L1 an increase should happen) and then we should look at the season after pricing based on the feel good factor around the club if its positive increase again. I think we will not lose many fans with a realistic increase, if we are challenging around the top 6 and playing entertaining football (ala Southampton away) we will be almost full every week no matter what the pricing and no matter how many season tickets sold. The problem is prices have been so low now for a long time and are just not sustainable, I paid I think £249.00 this year, I spent more in one visit to the club shop in August ! My ticket should be in my opinion around £380.00 with some other tickets a little more than this (central upper tier example) and some lower, lower tier big red, final blocks all corners of the ground a range from £330 - £420 for Adults should be about the correct pricing for HTAFC. Give incentives for families, look for some vouchers / discount codes to be added I think this will work fine for all but a small number of fans and for these try and offer a payment plan to work for them. You are absolutely on a windup now, I'm convinced. We didn't fill the ground every week under Wagner at £150-200 for a season ticket. Did we even sell out vs Leeds at home? Whether it's genuinely your own opinion or one being fed by staff at the club, you're talking nonsense and nobody is buying it.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Feb 13, 2024 15:39:01 GMT 1
Raising prices on the basis that fans will come watch their team regardless is poor and incredibly naive.
You get away with it at Liverpool and Man U because of the tourist fan groups and waiting lists. At bottom end championship teams you will get fans voting with their feet and using ifollow instead.
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Post by detox on Feb 13, 2024 15:42:04 GMT 1
100% increase the prices with a potential promotion candidate, but the increase needs to come either way and ticket pricing should never be alligned to expectations on the pitch the majorty would support the club however bad or well we are doing, what we need to do is increase to a level that is still the low end of the championship but is a lot more realistic than £249.00 (subject to championship status, even in L1 an increase should happen) and then we should look at the season after pricing based on the feel good factor around the club if its positive increase again. I think we will not lose many fans with a realistic increase, if we are challenging around the top 6 and playing entertaining football (ala Southampton away) we will be almost full every week no matter what the pricing and no matter how many season tickets sold. The problem is prices have been so low now for a long time and are just not sustainable, I paid I think £249.00 this year, I spent more in one visit to the club shop in August ! My ticket should be in my opinion around £380.00 with some other tickets a little more than this (central upper tier example) and some lower, lower tier big red, final blocks all corners of the ground a range from £330 - £420 for Adults should be about the correct pricing for HTAFC. Give incentives for families, look for some vouchers / discount codes to be added I think this will work fine for all but a small number of fans and for these try and offer a payment plan to work for them. You are absolutely on a windup now, I'm convinced. We didn't fill the ground every week under Wagner at £150-200 for a season ticket. Did we even sell out vs Leeds at home? Whether it's genuinely your own opinion or one being fed by staff at the club, you're talking nonsense and nobody is buying it. 4,000 empty seats in the home areas for that game....although a chunk of them were in that massive no go zone in the South Stand..
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Post by boooothy on Feb 13, 2024 15:49:04 GMT 1
I’d happily pay more but most Town expect the old champagne football at wkd prices or whatever it was from most
I think a bit of creativity is needed even though it would cause uproar. That Upper Tier used to cost more, do something decent with it, put sofas, TVs or padded seats in it and charge more.
10/5/3 games tickets at obviously higher prices per game.
Include cup games.
I personally don’t see the problem changing for ticket priority but i know that would go down like a sack of shit.
If the price is going up 100 pounds soften the blow in the first season giving that back as club shop vouchers.
Option to upgrade to a box last minute if unsold.
And very unpopular but i’d give the south stand back to away fans. We turn down thousands of away fans. You’d have to have a massive season ticket swap system or something to get the cowshed relocated at the end of one on main stands.
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Post by huddshroom on Feb 13, 2024 15:58:39 GMT 1
I’d happily pay more but most Town expect the old champagne football at wkd prices or whatever it was from most I think a bit of creativity is needed even though it would cause uproar. That Upper Tier used to cost more, do something decent with it, put sofas, TVs or padded seats in it and charge more. 10/5/3 games tickets at obviously higher prices per game. Include cup games. I personally don’t see the problem changing for ticket priority but i know that would go down like a sack of shit. If the price is going up 100 pounds soften the blow in the first season giving that back as club shop vouchers. Option to upgrade to a box last minute if unsold. And very unpopular but i’d give the south stand back to away fans. We turn down thousands of away fans. You’d have to have a massive season ticket swap system or something to get the cowshed relocated at the end of one on main stands. Agree with most apart from South Stand, away teams not having a home atmosphere helped us promoted and probably helped keep us up last season.
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Feb 13, 2024 16:06:59 GMT 1
Wow lots of interesting conversation. I’ll do my best to reply: 1. When the process is OVER, and after all appropriate announcements, we’ll do a diary on the subject. Now of course, it will be vague at times (we won’t say “well Jim Smith just didn’t cut it, and Bob Holzenkirklehoffer interviewed terribly” etc), but more of how the process went and was designed. Also, I have been saving some of these “media reports” that I will read off to KN and disclose the absolute rubbish (your word) when applicable. But as we’ve tried to do, you’ll get a level of transparency not the norm, but of course we won’t publicly out or embarrass anyone, there’s just no upside. 2. I cannot stress enough that things like season ticket pricing is not my corner of the store. I have ZERO input on that whatsoever, way above my pay grade. But after reading the last few pages, let me pose a question as a radio host rather than the other guy: Would you rather pay a decent increase (I hesitate to put a number because I don’t want anyone taking that as some sort of thing being thrown around, so I’ll pick what someone said earlier- let’s say 30%) and have a team threatening to promote? Or Same prices, and fighting relegation. Now I think I’ve been here long enough to anticipate SOME answers so let me be clear: - yes you could have both lower prices and be extremely competitive, but in the scenario I’m offering you have to pick one or the other - yes I’m aware that one person’s answer and another’s will be highly based on individual finances, I’m looking for a broad feedback and not ground level I’m asking because we’ve had similar conversations over here with our local team, I’m curious as to if it’s any different/the same over here. And again, please trust me to not read anything into anything I’m saying other than that I’m curious. I’ve never lied to you and I never will, so please take at face value. Soon all the guessing will be over and we can focus on beating the hell out of all these teams coming up as we get healthier. Pip Pip Cheerio I know it’s a hypothetical, but the options are a bit leading. I understand more money is needed to challenge for promotion. But fighting relegation most seasons isn’t due to limited budgets, it’s due to questionable recruitment (players and managers) most seasons. Getting our house in order will have a bigger impact than any price increase.
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Post by dbterrier32 on Feb 13, 2024 16:07:26 GMT 1
but 12 / 13 k season ticket holders at a higher price and then a significant amount of tickets sold per game at a higher price would be much more benifit for the club, the ambition is to be top half next season if we are winning games the stadium will be around 20k most weeks, with the people not getting a season ticket due to the cost ending up paying more to see less games as they would buy tickets to watch a succesful club. It won't be around 20k if the prices rise anywhere near what you're proposing. Its not 20k now despite what the figures announced say! 16k season tickets? I know all dont turn up, but you look around the ground and there are far more than 4k empty seats. I agree with the benefits extras and think that would be good to add value. This could be improved over the years too once other things fall into place. BUT and its a big BUT. It still has to be affordable for the majority. As i said in my original post that set this debate off, the club needs to consider the non financial impact of bigger crowds. It is a cliche but the crowd is the 12th man. I guarantee that atmosphere helps the players and will sometimes make a difference between wins and draws or draws and losses.
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Post by Sio on Feb 13, 2024 16:07:28 GMT 1
I’d happily pay more but most Town expect the old champagne football at wkd prices or whatever it was from most I think a bit of creativity is needed even though it would cause uproar. That Upper Tier used to cost more, do something decent with it, put sofas, TVs or padded seats in it and charge more. 10/5/3 games tickets at obviously higher prices per game. Include cup games. I personally don’t see the problem changing for ticket priority but i know that would go down like a sack of shit. If the price is going up 100 pounds soften the blow in the first season giving that back as club shop vouchers. Option to upgrade to a box last minute if unsold. And very unpopular but i’d give the south stand back to away fans. We turn down thousands of away fans. You’d have to have a massive season ticket swap system or something to get the cowshed relocated at the end of one on main stands.Bring in an additional 1600 away fans and completely dismantle our already dwindling home atmosphere, whilst in the process giving the away side a boost. I despair.
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Post by ben1987 on Feb 13, 2024 16:11:41 GMT 1
And very unpopular but i’d give the south stand back to away fans. We turn down thousands of away fans. You’d have to have a massive season ticket swap system or something to get the cowshed relocated at the end of one on main stands. You’re right, it would be very unpopular. I’d never ever step foot inside that stadium again if that was to happen.
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Post by boooothy on Feb 13, 2024 16:24:39 GMT 1
And very unpopular but i’d give the south stand back to away fans. We turn down thousands of away fans. You’d have to have a massive season ticket swap system or something to get the cowshed relocated at the end of one on main stands. You’re right, it would be very unpopular. I’d never ever step foot inside that stadium again if that was to happen. It might be a hard sell but if the same fans were just the other of the corner flag what’s the big deal. I get it but when we can’t sell our own seats. IF we are saying revenue is the key to success and better players, turning fans away seems ridiculous. Maybe the South Stand isn’t the option but surely there has to be a way of selling more away tickets at full price.
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 13, 2024 16:25:14 GMT 1
Pay more, semi-justified by getting some things cheaper, none of which I want or would pay a penny for ? Don't think so! Much as castlehill appears to be a bullshitter, this is a good idea, despite your personal misgivings. Plenty of people WOULD like those kind of offers; I used to use nearly all the vouchers we used to get in with our ST, spending on other stuff alongside the vouchered stuff. It was usually only the eggchasing Dwarves-associated stuff that didn't get used. It's the same premise as supermarkets using loss-leaders. People will buy the cheaper/on-offer product, but will also buy other stuff on top of that. It's an enticement and one Town USED to use pretty well IMO Yes its probably a good idea generally, but definitely not for me. Funnily enough, it was really *only* the occasional Giants cheap tickets etc that I used to take advantage of (and the kids age 7 related stuff) - but with EVERY Super League game televised now, I'd be highly unlikely to even take up free Giants tickets as I'm not a big enough fan to be bothered to go and watch them live, but I DO watch the occasional televised game. I value a Hudds Town season ticket and the associated intangibles such as, "its a good excuse to meet up with the same pal's for a drink that I've been doing for 35+ years who I barely see outside of the football season", at somewhere between £225 and £275. If it went to £300+, I'd probably not get a season ticket unless something else happened that hugely raised my expectation of how entertaining next season might be. Its not an affordability thing for me, just the associated 'personal value'. Obviously like most I paid cash on the door at Leeds Road, season tickets weren't even a think I was aware until we moved grounds, but I have opted out of season tickets on maybe 2 or 3 seasons since then.
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Post by ben1987 on Feb 13, 2024 16:30:19 GMT 1
You’re right, it would be very unpopular. I’d never ever step foot inside that stadium again if that was to happen. It might be a hard sell but if the same fans were just the other of the corner flag what’s the big deal. I get it but when we can’t sell our own seats. IF we are saying revenue is the key to success and better players, turning fans away seems ridiculous. Maybe the South Stand isn’t the option but surely there has to be a way of selling more away tickets at full price. The big deal is ten years (this April) of hard work has gone into achieving a south stand for town fans, a segregation line (opening up more seats available for home and away fans), a better atmosphere full of colour and culture, an improved atmosphere…. The list goes on. And you want to throw all that away to allow a few more ways fans in? No argument you put forward will change my view. It would be a huge step back.
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Post by boooothy on Feb 13, 2024 16:37:55 GMT 1
It might be a hard sell but if the same fans were just the other of the corner flag what’s the big deal. I get it but when we can’t sell our own seats. IF we are saying revenue is the key to success and better players, turning fans away seems ridiculous. Maybe the South Stand isn’t the option but surely there has to be a way of selling more away tickets at full price. The big deal is ten years (this April) of hard work has gone into achieving a south stand for town fans, a segregation line (opening up more seats available for home and away fans), a better atmosphere full of colour and culture, an improved atmosphere…. The list goes on. And you want to throw all that away to allow a few more ways fans in? No argument you put forward will change my view. It would be a huge step back. I’m not disagreeing with you but my question was couldthe exact same thing not be achieved in the last block of the Kilner Bank for example. You say it like 1600 folk paying 30 quid is nothing. Id rather they pay towards a shortfall than me. Anyway it was only one suggestion to increase revenue as opposed to putting up the price of your season ticket.
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Post by mosher on Feb 13, 2024 16:45:44 GMT 1
Much as castlehill appears to be a bullshitter, this is a good idea, despite your personal misgivings. Plenty of people WOULD like those kind of offers; I used to use nearly all the vouchers we used to get in with our ST, spending on other stuff alongside the vouchered stuff. It was usually only the eggchasing Dwarves-associated stuff that didn't get used. It's the same premise as supermarkets using loss-leaders. People will buy the cheaper/on-offer product, but will also buy other stuff on top of that. It's an enticement and one Town USED to use pretty well IMO Yes its probably a good idea generally, but definitely not for me. Funnily enough, it was really *only* the occasional Giants cheap tickets etc that I used to take advantage of (and the kids age 7 related stuff) - but with EVERY Super League game televised now, I'd be highly unlikely to even take up free Giants tickets as I'm not a big enough fan to be bothered to go and watch them live, but I DO watch the occasional televised game. I value a Hudds Town season ticket and the associated intangibles such as, "its a good excuse to meet up with the same pal's for a drink that I've been doing for 35+ years who I barely see outside of the football season", at somewhere between £225 and £275. If it went to £300+, I'd probably not get a season ticket unless something else happened that hugely raised my expectation of how entertaining next season might be. Its not an affordability thing for me, just the associated 'personal value'. Obviously like most I paid cash on the door at Leeds Road, season tickets weren't even a think I was aware until we moved grounds, but I have opted out of season tickets on maybe 2 or 3 seasons since then. Which only goes to highlight how hard KN's job will be and how much of a balancing act the budgetary decisions are going to be. As the old adage goes, you can't please all the people all the time, never more plain than this thread and the others discussing Town's finances.
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Post by royrace on Feb 13, 2024 16:46:29 GMT 1
Ticket prices should go back to different prices for different areas of the ground I think. Seems wild that you pay the same to sit in the middle of the riverside upper tier as you would for being in the bottom corner of the kilner for example. No need to overcomplicate it, maybe 3 different price bands. You could keep certain areas of the ground at £250-£270 and then slightly more for central areas etc... Good shout that and avoids anyone missing out if they can't afford a significant increase. Also be good to fill the Panasonic lower with really cheap tickets or free for kids. That way the prices of tickets isn't a barrier at all and hopefully the atmosphere improves.
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Post by Kirchenglocken on Feb 13, 2024 16:47:20 GMT 1
I think 30 quid is too much for a game and to get a plastic cup of beer for a fiver or whatever is a joke. 15-20 pound a match and better pricing on food and drink is what I would like. I will admit my prices might be outdated but when I go to the games I want to enjoy creating the atmosphere, spending time with friends and family.
The result is always important but never the priority, cannot stand shite dull moaning in the stands when everyone has the option to say fuck it and enjoy a couple of hours regardless instead. My problem is having experienced foreign football and our fantastic times under Wagner, I just struggle with less, especially when it costs and isn't fun.
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Post by royrace on Feb 13, 2024 16:51:08 GMT 1
Agreed, but I mentioned this whole "happy to be here" stuff a few weeks back and it caused a right rumpus. I still think it's true though, I don't think many other clubs would have adopted such an attitude. It would be interesting to see how Luton have promoted themselves locally since getting to the PL. Arguably a much MUCH smaller club than Town so surely they've been saying the same shit we were about just being glad to be there? I wonder if an opposing striker scores a hatrick against them he'll get a standing ovation when subbed? Still grates!
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Post by ben1987 on Feb 13, 2024 16:52:10 GMT 1
The big deal is ten years (this April) of hard work has gone into achieving a south stand for town fans, a segregation line (opening up more seats available for home and away fans), a better atmosphere full of colour and culture, an improved atmosphere…. The list goes on. And you want to throw all that away to allow a few more ways fans in? No argument you put forward will change my view. It would be a huge step back. I’m not disagreeing with you but my question was couldthe exact same thing not be achieved in the last block of the Kilner Bank for example. You say it like 1600 folk paying 30 quid is nothing. Id rather they pay towards a shortfall than me. Anyway it was only one suggestion to increase revenue as opposed to putting up the price of your season ticket. The exact same thing cannot be achieved elsewhere, the section of the south stand we have is the best place, as we’ve proven. I haven’t said or thought that 1600 paying 30 quid is nothing. But the money it would make is a drop in the ocean compared to the catastrophic amount of waste that the club has thrown at bang average managers, players and coaching staff in the last 5 years. The only people who need to move is the board who have continuously made mistake after mistake at vast expense to the club on running Town badly. Dont put it on the fans, they need to look at themselves.
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Post by goodbet on Feb 13, 2024 16:57:40 GMT 1
I think everyone would agree with the sentiment but I don't see how else the club can compete. Our revenue streams are limited certainly until we own the stadium / areas around it. If Kev is wanting to invest in the playing side he has to balance it somehow for FFP or we will be stuck in this eternal relegation battle. How much money has been wasted sacking and paying managers off since Carlos left? I can think of four permanent managers at least and their staff, all which need paying off. Gte rubbish in you end up paying more than getting quality in the first place.
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 13, 2024 16:58:29 GMT 1
And very unpopular but i’d give the south stand back to away fans. We turn down thousands of away fans. You’d have to have a massive season ticket swap system or something to get the cowshed relocated at the end of one on main stands. We don't though do we? Where I am, I can't really see all the away fans, but I'd be surprised if more than 3 clubs have sold out the full capacity that we make available. In fact - THIS... www.lep.co.uk/sport/football/championship-away-attendance-preston-north-end-ipswich-town-leicester-city-stoke-city-hull-city-4463907States that 15 clubs take less than 2000 away on average, with only 5 clubs averaging more than 2,500 fans at away grounds. It would be a total and utter folly to displace home fans from the South Stand. I hear a similar strange/amusing comment from a pal (who isn't in the South Stand) who says, "how come the South Stand isn't full, there's at least a 100 empty seats down in the corner...maybe its run its course as a project and should be made available for away fans"...whilst ignoring the thousands of empty seats in all the other stands, and the simple fact that away fans WOULDN'T fill it.
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Post by detox on Feb 13, 2024 16:58:43 GMT 1
Yes its probably a good idea generally, but definitely not for me. Funnily enough, it was really *only* the occasional Giants cheap tickets etc that I used to take advantage of (and the kids age 7 related stuff) - but with EVERY Super League game televised now, I'd be highly unlikely to even take up free Giants tickets as I'm not a big enough fan to be bothered to go and watch them live, but I DO watch the occasional televised game. I value a Hudds Town season ticket and the associated intangibles such as, "its a good excuse to meet up with the same pal's for a drink that I've been doing for 35+ years who I barely see outside of the football season", at somewhere between £225 and £275. If it went to £300+, I'd probably not get a season ticket unless something else happened that hugely raised my expectation of how entertaining next season might be. Its not an affordability thing for me, just the associated 'personal value'. Obviously like most I paid cash on the door at Leeds Road, season tickets weren't even a think I was aware until we moved grounds, but I have opted out of season tickets on maybe 2 or 3 seasons since then. Which only goes to highlight how hard KN's job will be and how much of a balancing act the budgetary decisions are going to be. As the old adage goes, you can't please all the people all the time, never more plain than this thread and the others discussing Town's finances. So long as we don't bring that numbskull Clibbens back with his multi tiered mind numbing pricing strategy with approx 80 different prices across the stadium depending on your age, where you sat and the match category set for the game...
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Post by King Neil on Feb 13, 2024 17:01:13 GMT 1
And very unpopular but i’d give the south stand back to away fans. We turn down thousands of away fans. You’d have to have a massive season ticket swap system or something to get the cowshed relocated at the end of one on main stands. You’re right, it would be very unpopular. I’d never ever step foot inside that stadium again if that was to happen. That would be another act of self harm
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Post by Niggled on Feb 13, 2024 17:01:26 GMT 1
Ticket prices should go back to different prices for different areas of the ground I think. Seems wild that you pay the same to sit in the middle of the riverside upper tier as you would for being in the bottom corner of the kilner for example. No need to overcomplicate it, maybe 3 different price bands. You could keep certain areas of the ground at £250-£270 and then slightly more for central areas etc... Good shout that and avoids anyone missing out if they can't afford a significant increase. Also be good to fill the Panasonic lower with really cheap tickets or free for kids. That way the prices of tickets isn't a barrier at all and hopefully the atmosphere improves. There has to be entertainment on the pitch , filling the shit seats with bored kids getting piss wet through and frozen will not get them wanting to come back . They want to feel and be part of it , that's what brings them back . I would put the away fans in the shit stand all day long .
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Post by Sparrow on Feb 13, 2024 17:03:08 GMT 1
I'd put the adult season ticket price up to £360. However, I'd offer different instalment plans to cushion the blow of such an increase. Full payment, monthly for 9 months (£40 a month) or 3 separate instalments of £120.
Currently the average adult season ticket price in the championship is £451 (I think). A 20% increase would bring it up to £541. If Town charge £360 we'd still be a third lower than the average price.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Feb 13, 2024 17:10:19 GMT 1
Wow lots of interesting conversation. I’ll do my best to reply: 1. When the process is OVER, and after all appropriate announcements, we’ll do a diary on the subject. Now of course, it will be vague at times (we won’t say “well Jim Smith just didn’t cut it, and Bob Holzenkirklehoffer interviewed terribly” etc), but more of how the process went and was designed. Also, I have been saving some of these “media reports” that I will read off to KN and disclose the absolute rubbish (your word) when applicable. But as we’ve tried to do, you’ll get a level of transparency not the norm, but of course we won’t publicly out or embarrass anyone, there’s just no upside. 2. I cannot stress enough that things like season ticket pricing is not my corner of the store. I have ZERO input on that whatsoever, way above my pay grade. But after reading the last few pages, let me pose a question as a radio host rather than the other guy: Would you rather pay a decent increase (I hesitate to put a number because I don’t want anyone taking that as some sort of thing being thrown around, so I’ll pick what someone said earlier- let’s say 30%) and have a team threatening to promote? Or Same prices, and fighting relegation. Now I think I’ve been here long enough to anticipate SOME answers so let me be clear: - yes you could have both lower prices and be extremely competitive, but in the scenario I’m offering you have to pick one or the other - yes I’m aware that one person’s answer and another’s will be highly based on individual finances, I’m looking for a broad feedback and not ground level I’m asking because we’ve had similar conversations over here with our local team, I’m curious as to if it’s any different/the same over here. And again, please trust me to not read anything into anything I’m saying other than that I’m curious. I’ve never lied to you and I never will, so please take at face value. Soon all the guessing will be over and we can focus on beating the hell out of all these teams coming up as we get healthier. Pip Pip Cheerio We’ve witnessed both ends of the scale in recent years: Cheap tickets meaning a full ground and a glorious season that ended in reaching the Premier League & The empty promise of ‘you buy the tickets, we’ll buy the players’ before an underwhelming summer of transfer inactivity. We’re a wary, cynical bunch because we’ve been let down before, particularly over the past 5 years. We seem to be perpetually in year 1 of a 5 year plan, where words haven’t been met with actions and each promise has led to another false dawn. Many folk are still unsure if KN is trying to build us a successful future or just build us a monorail before skipping town.
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Post by detox on Feb 13, 2024 17:11:48 GMT 1
And very unpopular but i’d give the south stand back to away fans. We turn down thousands of away fans. You’d have to have a massive season ticket swap system or something to get the cowshed relocated at the end of one on main stands. We don't though do we? Where I am, I can't really see all the away fans, but I'd be surprised if more than 3 clubs have sold out the full capacity that we make available. In fact - THIS... www.lep.co.uk/sport/football/championship-away-attendance-preston-north-end-ipswich-town-leicester-city-stoke-city-hull-city-4463907States that 15 clubs take less than 2000 away on average, with only 5 clubs averaging more than 2,500 fans at away grounds. It would be a total and utter folly to displace home fans from the South Stand. I hear a similar strange/amusing comment from a pal (who isn't in the South Stand) who says, "how come the South Stand isn't full, there's at least a 100 empty seats down in the corner...maybe its run its course as a project and should be made available for away fans"...whilst ignoring the thousands of empty seats in all the other stands, and the simple fact that away fans WOULDN'T fill it. By my calculations 6 clubs so far have sold out our away end, and likely another 5 will sell out by the end of the season..(Sunderland,Hull, Leeds, WBA and Coventry)... whether they would have bought 4,000 is another matter, but I reckon 7 of those above 11 clubs would..(Leicester, Blackburn, Boro, Wednesday, Sunderland, Leeds, WBA)...maybe?
Ultimately 7 clubs buying an extra 1,800 seats at £30...........£378,000 ...(and that's being optimistic)...so I agree with you, simply not worth the bad feeling it would leave and of course the additional stewarding/policing would eat into that £378k..
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Post by twyford on Feb 13, 2024 17:15:30 GMT 1
It would be interesting to see how Luton have promoted themselves locally since getting to the PL. Arguably a much MUCH smaller club than Town so surely they've been saying the same shit we were about just being glad to be there? I wonder if an opposing striker scores a hatrick against them he'll get a standing ovation when subbed? Still grates! Kane only got two - if that's what you're referring to. Alternative view - why shouldn't an exceptional performance be recognised irrespective of the team he plays for? My tribal allegiance to Town meant I hoped he and the rest of the Spurs team had a shocker that day. That didn't happen but club loyalty means I should boo him off rather than acknowledge good football?
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Post by goodbet on Feb 13, 2024 17:17:55 GMT 1
It's a double edged sword. If we want to be more competitive then we need to attract better players, to attract better players we need to pay bigger wages, to pay bigger wages we need to raise revenue, to raise revenue we need to increase our prices. In my opinion we have had it far too good for far too long. A price increase should be realistic if not modest, but it should happen. That way if we are subsequently shite we really will be able to complain. The prices have been good but the football and the investment has been very poor. I do not think that we have had it good for far too long when one part of the equation has been so poor.
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 13, 2024 17:19:25 GMT 1
The away supporters should get the shittest part of the ground. Not the best!
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