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Post by royrace on Feb 15, 2024 10:07:39 GMT 1
Genuinely interested and not trying to bring down the tone but has there been any acceptance at the higher levels that they made an appalling decision to chop NW and replace him with that incompetent oaf I'd imagine so since its cost an absolute fortune, massively annoyed the entire fan base and might cost us our championship status. Added to that it was entirely predictable. Might be one of the reasons why appointing a new man is taking longer than anticipated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2024 12:33:28 GMT 1
Genuinely interested and not trying to bring down the tone but has there been any acceptance at the higher levels that they made an appalling decision to chop NW and replace him with that incompetent oaf Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? It just smacks a bit of blame culture, I’ve no idea why people want to see someone vilified and put to the sword, it won’t change anything going forward. Im not having a dig, let’s look forward not backward. Well, I'd say it does matter considering the same people will be looking for the next manager.. The people that made the decision to chop NW and replace him with that idiot deserve to be vilified - do you not agree? It's a forum, a place for discussion past and present.
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Post by Drew Peacock on Feb 15, 2024 14:32:04 GMT 1
Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? It just smacks a bit of blame culture, I’ve no idea why people want to see someone vilified and put to the sword, it won’t change anything going forward. Im not having a dig, let’s look forward not backward. Well, I'd say it does matter considering the same people will be looking for the next manager.. The people that made the decision to chop NW and replace him with that idiot deserve to be vilified - do you not agree? It's a forum, a place for discussion past and present. No.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Feb 15, 2024 15:06:41 GMT 1
Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? It just smacks a bit of blame culture, I’ve no idea why people want to see someone vilified and put to the sword, it won’t change anything going forward. Im not having a dig, let’s look forward not backward. Well, I'd say it does matter considering the same people will be looking for the next manager.. The people that made the decision to chop NW and replace him with that idiot deserve to be vilified - do you not agree? It's a forum, a place for discussion past and present. What would it achieve?
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Feb 16, 2024 8:23:16 GMT 1
The quality of the managerial appointment will dictate everything. The hierarchy aren't just selling the vision to a new manager they are selling it to 16k season ticket holders as well. Just to come back to what I posted a few days ago. This is the sort of appointment that demonstrates a plan, a vision and will engage the fans. Top work.
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Post by ebargum on Feb 16, 2024 9:04:06 GMT 1
Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? It just smacks a bit of blame culture, I’ve no idea why people want to see someone vilified and put to the sword, it won’t change anything going forward. Im not having a dig, let’s look forward not backward. Well, I'd say it does matter considering the same people will be looking for the next manager.. The people that made the decision to chop NW and replace him with that idiot deserve to be vilified - do you not agree? It's a forum, a place for discussion past and present. Meaning of vilified in English To say or write unpleasant things about someone or something, in order to cause other people to have a bad opinion of them. You carry on if it would make you happy..
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Post by rockwall on Feb 16, 2024 9:32:08 GMT 1
Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? It just smacks a bit of blame culture, I’ve no idea why people want to see someone vilified and put to the sword, it won’t change anything going forward. Im not having a dig, let’s look forward not backward. Well, I'd say it does matter considering the same people will be looking for the next manager.. The people that made the decision to chop NW and replace him with that idiot deserve to be vilified - do you not agree? It's a forum, a place for discussion past and present. What nonsense you post. Vilified? Get a grip. Maybe check the meaning of words before using them. Moron.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2024 10:32:52 GMT 1
Well, I'd say it does matter considering the same people will be looking for the next manager.. The people that made the decision to chop NW and replace him with that idiot deserve to be vilified - do you not agree? It's a forum, a place for discussion past and present. What nonsense you post. Vilified? Get a grip. Maybe check the meaning of words before using them. Moron. Goodness me! Just seen this .. get a hobby and leave me alone you strange human
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Feb 16, 2024 10:43:58 GMT 1
Have you tried holding down the button with the dollar sign? Usually brings up alternate currency symbols. -American That doesn't work. $ is shift 4, hold it down and you get a massive stream of $$$$. If you want pound ( for all the other USA people), you need to click insert/symbol then the pound sign £. In this application press and hold together the windows key and the period ( thats the full stop) What's shift + 3 on your odd American keyboards?
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 16, 2024 11:11:07 GMT 1
That doesn't work. $ is shift 4, hold it down and you get a massive stream of $$$$. If you want pound ( for all the other USA people), you need to click insert/symbol then the pound sign £. In this application press and hold together the windows key and the period ( thats the full stop) What's shift + 3 on your odd American keyboards? Or... Just hold down ALT, and type 0163 on the numeric keypad (ensure Num Lock is on first), let go of ALT, and there's your £. Has to be on keypad, doesnt work on regular numbers.
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Post by Fish & Chips on Feb 16, 2024 11:19:27 GMT 1
Well, I'd say it does matter considering the same people will be looking for the next manager.. The people that made the decision to chop NW and replace him with that idiot deserve to be vilified - do you not agree? It's a forum, a place for discussion past and present. What would it achieve? It determines accountability for poor decision making and the £millions of wasted funds associated with it. It then permits lessons to be learnt with the idea of not repeating them. It may also result in the loss in performance bonuses, even employment, of the person(s) responsible due to said failures, but that's for the big boss to decide. You evidently haven't managed a business, but hopefully you might have a little bit of insight now.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Feb 16, 2024 11:35:48 GMT 1
It determines accountability for poor decision making and the £millions of wasted funds associated with it. It then permits lessons to be learnt with the idea of not repeating them. It may also result in the loss in performance bonuses, even employment, of the person(s) responsible due to said failures, but that's for the big boss to decide. You evidently haven't managed a business, but hopefully you might have a little bit of insight now.
And being a multi million pound business I’d expect that to be taken care of in house. Not publicly flogged as requested.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Feb 16, 2024 11:41:44 GMT 1
It determines accountability for poor decision making and the £millions of wasted funds associated with it. It then permits lessons to be learnt with the idea of not repeating them. It may also result in the loss in performance bonuses, even employment, of the person(s) responsible due to said failures, but that's for the big boss to decide. You evidently haven't managed a business, but hopefully you might have a little bit of insight now.
And for the record I run my own business. Smart arse
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 16, 2024 11:54:25 GMT 1
It determines accountability for poor decision making and the £millions of wasted funds associated with it. It then permits lessons to be learnt with the idea of not repeating them. It may also result in the loss in performance bonuses, even employment, of the person(s) responsible due to said failures, but that's for the big boss to decide. You evidently haven't managed a business, but hopefully you might have a little bit of insight now.
What it got to do with us? It's not our money. Appointing managers isnt an exact science..clubs get it wrong all the time..repeatedly. They go with a gut feeling more than anything and , as it will be with Breitenreiter, its a gamble that could go wrong just as much as it could go well. The only lesson thats ever learned is that there are no guarantees you can cling to.
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Post by royrace on Feb 16, 2024 12:03:30 GMT 1
It determines accountability for poor decision making and the £millions of wasted funds associated with it. It then permits lessons to be learnt with the idea of not repeating them. It may also result in the loss in performance bonuses, even employment, of the person(s) responsible due to said failures, but that's for the big boss to decide. You evidently haven't managed a business, but hopefully you might have a little bit of insight now.
What it got to do with us? It's not our money. Appointing managers isnt an exact science..clubs get it wrong all the time..repeatedly. They go with a gut feeling more than anything and , as it will be with Breitenreiter, its a gamble that could go wrong just as much as it could go well. The only lesson thats ever learned is that there are no guarantees you can cling to. This and the last appointment are like chalk and cheese don't you think? Looks like a lot of thought, diligence and work went into this one, hopefully not just gut feeling! The one before had an air of back of fag packet. No guarantees of course.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 16, 2024 12:32:22 GMT 1
What it got to do with us? It's not our money. Appointing managers isnt an exact science..clubs get it wrong all the time..repeatedly. They go with a gut feeling more than anything and , as it will be with Breitenreiter, its a gamble that could go wrong just as much as it could go well. The only lesson thats ever learned is that there are no guarantees you can cling to. This and the last appointment are like chalk and cheese don't you think? Looks like a lot of thought, diligence and work went into this one, hopefully not just gut feeling! The one before had an air of back of fag packet. No guarantees of course. Not particularly, no. It didnt go as anyone wanted but appointing Moore made sense at that time IMO. Good track record, knows the Championship, his side had just been 3rd top scorers in their division...etc If he hadnt got the job then and was still available, he'd have been one of the favourites on the list of possibilities this time. In some ways this appointment is more of a gamble. Hes no experience of English football at all, never mind the championship. He isnt used to the relentless fixtures coming at you twice a week..doesnt know any of the players I wouldn't have thought and probably doesnt know any of the players we'll be coming up against. He has to settle in the area,,,his family has to settle too ( presumably ) He has a great CV and loads of experience but theres still plenty of things that could go wrong.
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Post by Wingman on Feb 16, 2024 13:09:38 GMT 1
Nowt like being positive is there Captain? 😉
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Post by boooothy on Feb 16, 2024 13:31:53 GMT 1
Yeah but how much is my season ticket going to cost?
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Post by royrace on Feb 16, 2024 14:45:47 GMT 1
This and the last appointment are like chalk and cheese don't you think? Looks like a lot of thought, diligence and work went into this one, hopefully not just gut feeling! The one before had an air of back of fag packet. No guarantees of course. Not particularly, no. It didnt go as anyone wanted but appointing Moore made sense at that time IMO. Good track record, knows the Championship, his side had just been 3rd top scorers in their division...etc If he hadnt got the job then and was still available, he'd have been one of the favourites on the list of possibilities this time. In some ways this appointment is more of a gamble. Hes no experience of English football at all, never mind the championship. He isnt used to the relentless fixtures coming at you twice a week..doesnt know any of the players I wouldn't have thought and probably doesnt know any of the players we'll be coming up against. He has to settle in the area,,,his family has to settle too ( presumably ) He has a great CV and loads of experience but theres still plenty of things that could go wrong. If you say so
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 16, 2024 16:09:06 GMT 1
What it got to do with us? It's not our money. Appointing managers isnt an exact science..clubs get it wrong all the time..repeatedly. They go with a gut feeling more than anything and , as it will be with Breitenreiter, its a gamble that could go wrong just as much as it could go well. The only lesson thats ever learned is that there are no guarantees you can cling to. This and the last appointment are like chalk and cheese don't you think? Looks like a lot of thought, diligence and work went into this one, hopefully not just gut feeling! The one before had an air of back of fag packet. No guarantees of course. This makes it all feel very strange, that the same people with presumably the same ideas have made two such diverse appointments for a "long term" role within just 2 or 3 months. Am assuming AB perhaps didn't actually apply and they've gone out and hunted him, but was it just that the quality of applicants was generally lower last time round, when there wasn't actually a job to apply for given NW was in situ?
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 16, 2024 16:11:51 GMT 1
This and the last appointment are like chalk and cheese don't you think? Looks like a lot of thought, diligence and work went into this one, hopefully not just gut feeling! The one before had an air of back of fag packet. No guarantees of course. Not particularly, no. It didnt go as anyone wanted but appointing Moore made sense at that time IMO. Good track record, knows the Championship, his side had just been 3rd top scorers in their division...etc If he hadnt got the job then and was still available, he'd have been one of the favourites on the list of possibilities this time. In some ways this appointment is more of a gamble. Hes no experience of English football at all, never mind the championship. He isnt used to the relentless fixtures coming at you twice a week..doesnt know any of the players I wouldn't have thought and probably doesnt know any of the players we'll be coming up against. He has to settle in the area,,,his family has to settle too ( presumably ) He has a great CV and loads of experience but theres still plenty of things that could go wrong. Moore had barely managed in the Championship before he came here.
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Post by rockwall on Feb 16, 2024 16:16:25 GMT 1
What nonsense you post. Vilified? Get a grip. Maybe check the meaning of words before using them. Moron. Goodness me! Just seen this .. get a hobby and leave me alone you strange human Only one strange human in this dialogue and it isn't me. Maybe if you stopped posting utter drab you wouldn't draw as much attention to yourself.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Feb 16, 2024 16:24:31 GMT 1
That doesn't work. $ is shift 4, hold it down and you get a massive stream of $$$$. If you want pound ( for all the other USA people), you need to click insert/symbol then the pound sign £. In this application press and hold together the windows key and the period ( thats the full stop) What's shift + 3 on your odd American keyboards? #
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 16, 2024 16:28:40 GMT 1
Not particularly, no. It didnt go as anyone wanted but appointing Moore made sense at that time IMO. Good track record, knows the Championship, his side had just been 3rd top scorers in their division...etc If he hadnt got the job then and was still available, he'd have been one of the favourites on the list of possibilities this time. In some ways this appointment is more of a gamble. Hes no experience of English football at all, never mind the championship. He isnt used to the relentless fixtures coming at you twice a week..doesnt know any of the players I wouldn't have thought and probably doesnt know any of the players we'll be coming up against. He has to settle in the area,,,his family has to settle too ( presumably ) He has a great CV and loads of experience but theres still plenty of things that could go wrong. If you say so I do. You know what the average job length for a football manager in England is? In the prem its about a year and a half. In the EFL its about 8 months!! Every appointment is made because the owners think theyve got the right man and it'll be a success. Ok, some of those get poached because they have been a success, but the vast majority get sacked. Every appointment is a big gamble and Breitenreiter is no different IMO.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 16, 2024 16:30:45 GMT 1
Not particularly, no. It didnt go as anyone wanted but appointing Moore made sense at that time IMO. Good track record, knows the Championship, his side had just been 3rd top scorers in their division...etc If he hadnt got the job then and was still available, he'd have been one of the favourites on the list of possibilities this time. In some ways this appointment is more of a gamble. Hes no experience of English football at all, never mind the championship. He isnt used to the relentless fixtures coming at you twice a week..doesnt know any of the players I wouldn't have thought and probably doesnt know any of the players we'll be coming up against. He has to settle in the area,,,his family has to settle too ( presumably ) He has a great CV and loads of experience but theres still plenty of things that could go wrong. Moore had barely managed in the Championship before he came here. He had almost a full season ( and his side were 4th when they sacked him ) and he played in the championship a lot. He knew the division and most of the players and managers in it well is the point.
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Post by Ladaphosen on Feb 16, 2024 16:42:58 GMT 1
Moore had barely managed in the Championship before he came here. He had almost a full season ( and his side were 4th when they sacked him ) and he played in the championship a lot. He knew the division and most of the players and managers in it well is the point. The whole 'knowing the league' or 'knowing the club' lines that get trotted our have been proven to be absolute bollox time and time again. Zero substance behind it, just a meaningless platitude.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 16, 2024 17:26:20 GMT 1
He had almost a full season ( and his side were 4th when they sacked him ) and he played in the championship a lot. He knew the division and most of the players and managers in it well is the point. The whole 'knowing the league' or 'knowing the club' lines that get trotted our have been proven to be absolute bollox time and time again. Zero substance behind it, just a meaningless platitude. Agree about the club, but not the league, especially when coming from abroad. When Schindler first arrived, for all his composure and quality he struggled a lot with the physicality of the football in the championship and took him quite a while to properly adapt. Used to get bullied out of aerial challenges a lot until he adjusted to it. not every player adapts and not every manager does either. Championship football is particularly physical and intense and so is playing twice a week, almost every week at that intensity with nothing to help you out like a winter break.
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Post by ringdisco on Feb 16, 2024 18:25:25 GMT 1
This and the last appointment are like chalk and cheese don't you think? Looks like a lot of thought, diligence and work went into this one, hopefully not just gut feeling! The one before had an air of back of fag packet. No guarantees of course. Not particularly, no. It didnt go as anyone wanted but appointing Moore made sense at that time IMO. Good track record, knows the Championship, his side had just been 3rd top scorers in their division...etc If he hadnt got the job then and was still available, he'd have been one of the favourites on the list of possibilities this time. Mediocre track record, did the bare minimum at Weds both seasons.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 16, 2024 18:32:40 GMT 1
96 points and promotion is the bare minimum? yeah ok.
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Post by andyeastleake on Feb 16, 2024 18:53:51 GMT 1
Appointing managers isnt an exact science..clubs get it wrong all the time..repeatedly. They go with a gut feeling more than anything and , as it will be with Breitenreiter, its a gamble that could go wrong just as much as it could go well. The only lesson thats ever learned is that there are no guarantees you can cling to. Are you really not more excited by AB than Darren Moore? Of course it could go horribly wrong ..... ....but with Darren Moore nothing in his pedigree that I could see suggested he could turn Town into a promotion winning team in the championship. Arguably underperformed at West Brom and Wednesday with above average squads (and the owners certainly thought so they sacked him when decently placed/promoted). Very quickly it seemed to go pear shaped here. AB has got unfashionable clubs into the Bundersliga and won the Swiss league with one. Surely, the potential upside with AB is more likely based on available evidence isn't it?
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