rab030
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Post by rab030 on Feb 16, 2024 19:19:34 GMT 1
I think we are all more excited about the club generally, and we all hope that AB is successful. I do think that sometimes it’s all about right time right place.
DM was following NW and was going to be unpopular whatever the outcome. He also followed a very poor summer transfer window. DM had very little squad players to choose from, and his style of play didn’t appear to suit the players at his disposal.
AB is following DM and after JW showed that we can play on the front foot. Squad is now looking much stronger after a good window and players returning from injury. We all think his style of play will work with the players we have.
No guarantees but I’m sure the feeling is much more positive than it was in October/November.
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Post by mrbluesky on Feb 16, 2024 19:44:56 GMT 1
This and the last appointment are like chalk and cheese don't you think? Looks like a lot of thought, diligence and work went into this one, hopefully not just gut feeling! The one before had an air of back of fag packet. No guarantees of course. Not particularly, no. It didnt go as anyone wanted but appointing Moore made sense at that time IMO. Good track record, knows the Championship, his side had just been 3rd top scorers in their division...etc If he hadnt got the job then and was still available, he'd have been one of the favourites on the list of possibilities this time. In some ways this appointment is more of a gamble. Hes no experience of English football at all, never mind the championship. He isnt used to the relentless fixtures coming at you twice a week..doesnt know any of the players I wouldn't have thought and probably doesnt know any of the players we'll be coming up against. He has to settle in the area,,,his family has to settle too ( presumably ) He has a great CV and loads of experience but theres still plenty of things that could go wrong. Its all about opinions which makes life interesting. I agree that the Moore appointment versus the Andre appointment are like chalk and cheese , speaking for myself I never felt like Moore was the right appointment , he didn't really have a good track record if you trace him back and he has never played the type of football that excites crowds , certainly Town supporters as we love players to be in the faces of the opposition and putting in a tackle - Moore had us playing in our last third were there was zero excitement for players and supporters alike......fast forward to JW and he move us 20 yards further up the pitch and got us in the faces of the opposition ....chalk and cheese to Moore. Town fans also like a manager that makes an effort with them and again Moore never did , lets hope our new manager does .......i also think a lot of due diligence ( and expense) has gone in to this appointment and it feels right , I also think our new owner has played his part in this appointment rather than taking a back seat possibly like he did with Moore ( allowing his team to make their decision )......KN has certainly shown he is committed and as town fans thats all we want . Very excited but will give it the time it takes but speaking for myself and a big bank of Town fans I know "it feels right ".
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 16, 2024 20:24:55 GMT 1
The whole 'knowing the league' or 'knowing the club' lines that get trotted our have been proven to be absolute bollox time and time again. Zero substance behind it, just a meaningless platitude. Agree about the club, but not the league, especially when coming from abroad. When Schindler first arrived, for all his composure and quality he struggled a lot with the physicality of the football in the championship and took him quite a while to properly adapt. Used to get bullied out of aerial challenges a lot until he adjusted to it. not every player adapts and not every manager does either. Championship football is particularly physical and intense and so is playing twice a week, almost every week at that intensity with nothing to help you out like a winter break. Much as I loved him I thought defending aerial challenges in the box was a weakness of his for the entirety of his time with us.
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Post by Spike24 on Feb 16, 2024 20:26:43 GMT 1
I think we are all more excited about the club generally, and we all hope that AB is successful. I do think that sometimes it’s all about right time right place. DM was following NW and was going to be unpopular whatever the outcome. He also followed a very poor summer transfer window. DM had very little squad players to choose from, and his style of play didn’t appear to suit the players at his disposal. AB is following DM and after JW showed that we can play on the front foot. Squad is now looking much stronger after a good window and players returning from injury. We all think his style of play will work with the players we have. No guarantees but I’m sure the feeling is much more positive than it was in October/November. it was never about popularity for me mate, that's the man they wanted, so that's the man I followed. Very quickly figured out his mantra, I don't think the guy fancied himself to do a decent job in hindsight, so it was no surprise the team the tactics and the selection were as unilaterally negative as his own outlook.
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Post by mosher on Feb 20, 2024 9:40:31 GMT 1
Agree about the club, but not the league, especially when coming from abroad. When Schindler first arrived, for all his composure and quality he struggled a lot with the physicality of the football in the championship and took him quite a while to properly adapt. Used to get bullied out of aerial challenges a lot until he adjusted to it. not every player adapts and not every manager does either. Championship football is particularly physical and intense and so is playing twice a week, almost every week at that intensity with nothing to help you out like a winter break. Much as I loved him I thought defending aerial challenges in the box was a weakness of his for the entirety of his time with us. Bloody sacrilege. Plus you didn't once mention how beautiful he is
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 20, 2024 10:21:07 GMT 1
Appointing managers isnt an exact science..clubs get it wrong all the time..repeatedly. They go with a gut feeling more than anything and , as it will be with Breitenreiter, its a gamble that could go wrong just as much as it could go well. The only lesson thats ever learned is that there are no guarantees you can cling to. Are you really not more excited by AB than Darren Moore? Of course it could go horribly wrong ..... ....but with Darren Moore nothing in his pedigree that I could see suggested he could turn Town into a promotion winning team in the championship. Arguably underperformed at West Brom and Wednesday with above average squads (and the owners certainly thought so they sacked him when decently placed/promoted). Very quickly it seemed to go pear shaped here. AB has got unfashionable clubs into the Bundersliga and won the Swiss league with one. Surely, the potential upside with AB is more likely based on available evidence isn't it? Im way more excited by Breitenreiter than I was by Moore...no idea what ive said that would make you think Im not. Appointing Moore was a reasonable thing to do at that time but it was never an 'exciting' appointment in any way. He comes over as a particularly dull person. Saying he underperformed at WBA is a strange one. They were practically already down when he took over in the PL and he made an amazing fist of almost keeping them up, winning the MOTM for April. Then they were 4th the following season when they sacked him. Maybe the owners had lost faith and felt a change would help..it didnt. They finished 4th and didnt go up. Yes he had 'above average' squads at both WBA and Wednesday....which was why they finished 4th and 3rd respectively...well above the average of 12/13th. When he left Doncaster they were in the play off positions in League 1....is that underperforming for them? People try and make out his Sheff Wed side should have romped the division for some reason....theyve spent almost all this season in the bottom 2 ..nowhere near the other 2 clubs who came up. Yet he somehow underperformed there by getting 96 points and taking them up through the play offs?? I dont get why, because it didnt work out here for him, people need to try and dismiss and rubbish anything he did previously in his career. What is the point of that exactly??
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Post by monkbar on Feb 20, 2024 10:54:54 GMT 1
Are you really not more excited by AB than Darren Moore? Of course it could go horribly wrong ..... ....but with Darren Moore nothing in his pedigree that I could see suggested he could turn Town into a promotion winning team in the championship. Arguably underperformed at West Brom and Wednesday with above average squads (and the owners certainly thought so they sacked him when decently placed/promoted). Very quickly it seemed to go pear shaped here. AB has got unfashionable clubs into the Bundersliga and won the Swiss league with one. Surely, the potential upside with AB is more likely based on available evidence isn't it? Im way more excited by Breitenreiter than I was by Moore...no idea what ive said that would make you think Im not. Appointing Moore was a reasonable thing to do at that time but it was never an 'exciting' appointment in any way. He comes over as a particularly dull person. Saying he underperformed at WBA is a strange one. They were practically already down when he took over in the PL and he made an amazing fist of almost keeping them up, winning the MOTM for April. Then they were 4th the following season when they sacked him. Maybe the owners had lost faith and felt a change would help..it didnt. They finished 4th and didnt go up. Yes he had 'above average' squads at both WBA and Wednesday....which was why they finished 4th and 3rd respectively...well above the average of 12/13th. When he left Doncaster they were in the play off positions in League 1....is that underperforming for them? People try and make out his Sheff Wed side should have romped the division for some reason....theyve spent almost all this season in the bottom 2 ..nowhere near the other 2 clubs who came up. Yet he somehow underperformed there by getting 96 points and taking them up through the play offs?? I dont get why, because it didnt work out here for him, people need to try and dismiss and rubbish anything he did previously in his career. What is the point of that exactly?? Agree, on paper it all looked decent. The only standout thing for me was the onus by the top brass on exciting attacking football which had never been Moore's modus operandi. Be interesting to see how he does at PV.
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Post by goodbet on Feb 20, 2024 11:33:18 GMT 1
No matter what he did elsewhere he was very poor at Town and how he lasted so long shows a lack of competence in our senior management.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 20, 2024 11:58:33 GMT 1
No matter what he did elsewhere he was very poor at Town and how he lasted so long shows a lack of competence in our senior management. They understood that the guy they'd had enough faith in to appoint in the first place had been firefighting through a particularly bad injury crisis for pretty much all the time he'd been here. They brought in a few players in January to strengthen what was a very weak squad and a few players came back from injury....but like the fans, they'd lost faith in him and sacked him anyway. I dont see 'competence' as being senior management who appoint people to these top roles, dont show any empathy for difficult circumstances they might face and chop them in a matter of weeks. Think they gave him the shortest time it would have been reasonable to give him myself.
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Post by ldotm on Feb 20, 2024 12:03:32 GMT 1
Are you really not more excited by AB than Darren Moore? Of course it could go horribly wrong ..... ....but with Darren Moore nothing in his pedigree that I could see suggested he could turn Town into a promotion winning team in the championship. Arguably underperformed at West Brom and Wednesday with above average squads (and the owners certainly thought so they sacked him when decently placed/promoted). Very quickly it seemed to go pear shaped here. AB has got unfashionable clubs into the Bundersliga and won the Swiss league with one. Surely, the potential upside with AB is more likely based on available evidence isn't it? Im way more excited by Breitenreiter than I was by Moore...no idea what ive said that would make you think Im not. Appointing Moore was a reasonable thing to do at that time but it was never an 'exciting' appointment in any way. He comes over as a particularly dull person. Saying he underperformed at WBA is a strange one. They were practically already down when he took over in the PL and he made an amazing fist of almost keeping them up, winning the MOTM for April. Then they were 4th the following season when they sacked him. Maybe the owners had lost faith and felt a change would help..it didnt. They finished 4th and didnt go up. Yes he had 'above average' squads at both WBA and Wednesday....which was why they finished 4th and 3rd respectively...well above the average of 12/13th. When he left Doncaster they were in the play off positions in League 1....is that underperforming for them? People try and make out his Sheff Wed side should have romped the division for some reason....theyve spent almost all this season in the bottom 2 ..nowhere near the other 2 clubs who came up. Yet he somehow underperformed there by getting 96 points and taking them up through the play offs?? I dont get why, because it didnt work out here for him, people need to try and dismiss and rubbish anything he did previously in his career. What is the point of that exactly?? Totally agree, definitely a level of hindsight applied here. He had far more credibility than a lot of managers we’ve hired. But it just didn’t work out. Add to that his significantly dull personality (when interview anyway) and it was hard to ever warm to him. Think it shows that decent managers can fail massively at places if it’s the wrong timing or environment for them. E.g. Wagner completely transformed our club but has failed horrifically at other clubs.
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Post by hartyhtfc on Feb 20, 2024 14:58:54 GMT 1
Im way more excited by Breitenreiter than I was by Moore...no idea what ive said that would make you think Im not. Appointing Moore was a reasonable thing to do at that time but it was never an 'exciting' appointment in any way. He comes over as a particularly dull person. Saying he underperformed at WBA is a strange one. They were practically already down when he took over in the PL and he made an amazing fist of almost keeping them up, winning the MOTM for April. Then they were 4th the following season when they sacked him. Maybe the owners had lost faith and felt a change would help..it didnt. They finished 4th and didnt go up. Yes he had 'above average' squads at both WBA and Wednesday....which was why they finished 4th and 3rd respectively...well above the average of 12/13th. When he left Doncaster they were in the play off positions in League 1....is that underperforming for them? People try and make out his Sheff Wed side should have romped the division for some reason....theyve spent almost all this season in the bottom 2 ..nowhere near the other 2 clubs who came up. Yet he somehow underperformed there by getting 96 points and taking them up through the play offs?? I dont get why, because it didnt work out here for him, people need to try and dismiss and rubbish anything he did previously in his career. What is the point of that exactly?? Totally agree, definitely a level of hindsight applied here. He had far more credibility than a lot of managers we’ve hired. But it just didn’t work out. Add to that his significantly dull personality (when interview anyway) and it was hard to ever warm to him. Think it shows that decent managers can fail massively at places if it’s the wrong timing or environment for them. E.g. Wagner completely transformed our club but has failed horrifically at other clubs. Yeah this is true. My Wednesday-supporting mate was forever sticking by Moore and saying we needed to give him more time etc, despite the results. I'm also convinced if it was the other way around, I'd have been just as positive about Wagner at another club, give him time etc etc. Truth is different clubs and situations suit different managers. Moyes was hopeless at Man Utd but worked wonders at Everton and West Ham.
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Feb 20, 2024 16:08:12 GMT 1
Anyway Dave when are you & Kev heading back to the Metropolis?
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Post by terrierforever on Feb 20, 2024 16:12:32 GMT 1
Regarding the next diary I think you said you'd be doing one with Kev about the whole process and how we came to appoint AB.
When is this diary planned for?
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Post by boooothy on Feb 20, 2024 16:17:38 GMT 1
The news of Michael Beale having a second Twitter account in another name defending Michael Beale had me thinking about some folk on here.
Come on Dean, Phil, Mark, Darren, Kevin, Leigh are you here? Own up, let’s be havin you.
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Post by goodbet on Feb 20, 2024 17:24:53 GMT 1
Totally agree, definitely a level of hindsight applied here. He had far more credibility than a lot of managers we’ve hired. But it just didn’t work out. Add to that his significantly dull personality (when interview anyway) and it was hard to ever warm to him. Think it shows that decent managers can fail massively at places if it’s the wrong timing or environment for them. E.g. Wagner completely transformed our club but has failed horrifically at other clubs. Yeah this is true. My Wednesday-supporting mate was forever sticking by Moore and saying we needed to give him more time etc, despite the results. I'm also convinced if it was the other way around, I'd have been just as positive about Wagner at another club, give him time etc etc. Truth is different clubs and situations suit different managers. Moyes was hopeless at Man Utd but worked wonders at Everton and West Ham. I think your Wednesday supporting mate wanted him to take us down in the hope it would save them.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 20, 2024 22:19:02 GMT 1
The news of Michael Beale having a second Twitter account in another name defending Michael Beale had me thinking about some folk on here. Come on Dean, Phil, Mark, Darren, Kevin, Leigh are you here? Own up, let’s be havin you. Is one account run by Beale and the other by the mahoosive mole on his face 🤔
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 20, 2024 22:31:38 GMT 1
Im way more excited by Breitenreiter than I was by Moore...no idea what ive said that would make you think Im not. Appointing Moore was a reasonable thing to do at that time but it was never an 'exciting' appointment in any way. He comes over as a particularly dull person. Saying he underperformed at WBA is a strange one. They were practically already down when he took over in the PL and he made an amazing fist of almost keeping them up, winning the MOTM for April. Then they were 4th the following season when they sacked him. Maybe the owners had lost faith and felt a change would help..it didnt. They finished 4th and didnt go up. Yes he had 'above average' squads at both WBA and Wednesday....which was why they finished 4th and 3rd respectively...well above the average of 12/13th. When he left Doncaster they were in the play off positions in League 1....is that underperforming for them? People try and make out his Sheff Wed side should have romped the division for some reason....theyve spent almost all this season in the bottom 2 ..nowhere near the other 2 clubs who came up. Yet he somehow underperformed there by getting 96 points and taking them up through the play offs?? I dont get why, because it didnt work out here for him, people need to try and dismiss and rubbish anything he did previously in his career. What is the point of that exactly?? Agree, on paper it all looked decent. The only standout thing for me was the onus by the top brass on exciting attacking football which had never been Moore's modus operandi. Be interesting to see how he does at PV. Yeah, I don't think the club realised how much they were setting him up for failure by promising "attacking football". I think they now realise that just saying they play attacking football isn't enough.
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Post by Justasmithers on Feb 20, 2024 23:07:11 GMT 1
Regarding the next diary I think you said you'd be doing one with Kev about the whole process and how we came to appoint AB. When is this diary planned for? Covered most of it in the last diary
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Post by bells ringing :) on Feb 20, 2024 23:12:22 GMT 1
Regarding the next diary I think you said you'd be doing one with Kev about the whole process and how we came to appoint AB. When is this diary planned for? Covered most of it in the last diary can i ask where can i see the last diary entry ?
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 20, 2024 23:30:24 GMT 1
Covered most of it in the last diary can i ask where can i see the last diary entry ? Halfway down page 65 of The Buck Stops With Kev or, alternatively,
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Post by castlehillterrier on Feb 21, 2024 17:03:25 GMT 1
back to the tickets..... maybe the club does read this board more than we think.
Discounted Giants tickets (for a tenner) for all HTAFC season ticket holders for first game ve St Helens this Saturday evening.
Great to see the Giants and HTAFC trying to work together again, Kevin and Ken must have got on when the met in January.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 21, 2024 18:00:08 GMT 1
back to the tickets..... maybe the club does read this board more than we think. Discounted Giants tickets (for a tenner) for all HTAFC season ticket holders for first game ve St Helens this Saturday evening. Great to see the Giants and HTAFC trying to work together again, Kevin and Ken must have got on when the met in January. Tickets for the peanut huggers is more likely to drive me away. There only on offer cos no bugger watches Fartown anyway. Are they still selling the Riverside tickets cheaper to try and make the ground look fuller when the cameras are there 🤔
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Post by BerksTerrier84 on Feb 21, 2024 19:05:03 GMT 1
back to the tickets..... maybe the club does read this board more than we think. Discounted Giants tickets (for a tenner) for all HTAFC season ticket holders for first game ve St Helens this Saturday evening. Great to see the Giants and HTAFC trying to work together again, Kevin and Ken must have got on when the met in January. Tickets for the peanut huggers is more likely to drive me away. There only on offer cos no bugger watches Fartown anyway. Are they still selling the Riverside tickets cheaper to try and make the ground look fuller when the cameras are there 🤔 Reduced Giants tickets would drive you away? What a strange comment!
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Post by cuz on Feb 21, 2024 20:17:57 GMT 1
Tickets for the peanut huggers is more likely to drive me away. There only on offer cos no bugger watches Fartown anyway. Are they still selling the Riverside tickets cheaper to try and make the ground look fuller when the cameras are there 🤔 Reduced Giants tickets would drive you away? What a strange comment! I used to go quite regularly but won't ever watch em with that fucin wisened conker Ken in charge.
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Post by BerksTerrier84 on Feb 22, 2024 3:10:06 GMT 1
Reduced Giants tickets would drive you away? What a strange comment! I used to go quite regularly but won't ever watch em with that fucin wisened conker Ken in charge. You’re odd.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 22, 2024 8:40:01 GMT 1
I used to go quite regularly but won't ever watch em with that fucin wisened conker Ken in charge. You’re odd. You go watch the fuckers then.
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 22, 2024 10:26:18 GMT 1
back to the tickets..... maybe the club does read this board more than we think. Discounted Giants tickets (for a tenner) for all HTAFC season ticket holders for first game ve St Helens this Saturday evening. Great to see the Giants and HTAFC trying to work together again, Kevin and Ken must have got on when the met in January. Tickets for the peanut huggers is more likely to drive me away. There only on offer cos no bugger watches Fartown anyway. Are they still selling the Riverside tickets cheaper to try and make the ground look fuller when the cameras are there 🤔 Getting free/discounted Giants tickets would drive you away from attending Town matches?? You'd not be forced to use them you know!? 😲 (and no, its the same price for every seat at a Giants game - although I'd be amazed if many pay on the day supporters exist now that every game is televised...personally, I used to go to maybe a couple of games every season and have watched most televised games...now, as a casual/part time supporter, there's zero chance of me deciding to attend a game when I can sit at home and watch ANY game (or go to a pub if thats your thing)).
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Post by mosher on Feb 22, 2024 12:00:53 GMT 1
Tickets for the peanut huggers is more likely to drive me away. There only on offer cos no bugger watches Fartown anyway. Are they still selling the Riverside tickets cheaper to try and make the ground look fuller when the cameras are there 🤔 Getting free/discounted Giants tickets would drive you away from attending Town matches??You'd not be forced to use them you know!? 😲 (and no, its the same price for every seat at a Giants game - although I'd be amazed if many pay on the day supporters exist now that every game is televised...personally, I used to go to maybe a couple of games every season and have watched most televised games...now, as a casual/part time supporter, there's zero chance of me deciding to attend a game when I can sit at home and watch ANY game (or go to a pub if thats your thing)). Exaggeration for dramatic effect wouldn't you think? Porrohman is the same as me, not remotely a fan of Fartown and never will be. Every time Town have sent me ANYTHING dwarves related it's straight in the bin; I can't even GIVE them away to my peer group and family
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 22, 2024 13:52:42 GMT 1
Tickets for the peanut huggers is more likely to drive me away. There only on offer cos no bugger watches Fartown anyway. Are they still selling the Riverside tickets cheaper to try and make the ground look fuller when the cameras are there 🤔 Getting free/discounted Giants tickets would drive you away from attending Town matches?? You'd not be forced to use them you know!? 😲 (and no, its the same price for every seat at a Giants game - although I'd be amazed if many pay on the day supporters exist now that every game is televised...personally, I used to go to maybe a couple of games every season and have watched most televised games...now, as a casual/part time supporter, there's zero chance of me deciding to attend a game when I can sit at home and watch ANY game (or go to a pub if thats your thing)). Zero chance of me watching rugby league either in the stadium, at home or the pub.
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Post by andyboothscat on Feb 22, 2024 14:36:47 GMT 1
back to the tickets..... maybe the club does read this board more than we think. Discounted Giants tickets (for a tenner) for all HTAFC season ticket holders for first game ve St Helens this Saturday evening. Great to see the Giants and HTAFC trying to work together again, Kevin and Ken must have got on when the met in January. Where have you seen this please?
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