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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Jan 15, 2024 21:06:36 GMT 1
I mainly agree with the first bit (& TBH he's probably surpassed my expectation in that regard), but Darren Moore's football can't be faulted? Well Moore can be faulted but I'm not sure Kevin Nagle can be. He signed him with the best intentions and he's turned out to be not good enough. Guess it depends on how long he persists with him as to whether he can be faulted. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 15, 2024 21:07:41 GMT 1
Imagine if owners acted on the more vocal supporters all the time. We’d have 92 clubs and 270 managerial changes every season… DATM is a sounding board for venting, nothing more. Vent away… We’ve got to a point where a change is needed now though & a lot of people thought it was always the wrong choice. And a lot of people weren't sure and still aren't, because the squad has been decimated. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 15, 2024 21:10:55 GMT 1
He was in the suite yesterday, made a beeline for the fella that won some reality TV show (he did the Golden Gamble) but didn't come over and meet the old youth team lads, which was a shame. And how would he know who the old youth team lads were? I'm a supporter of 40+ years and I wouldn't know who they were. |
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Post by terriers2000 on Jan 15, 2024 21:12:20 GMT 1
Fred Flintstone look a like
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Post by sykeylad on Jan 15, 2024 21:18:14 GMT 1
Something like that.
They didn't want us in the last time I went there match day and appreciate security has to be managed but yep.
If it's planned from the off more chance get something to work.
A Bingo business in one large room might go well. Football styled kids play gym be good to get families down together regularly.
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 15, 2024 21:19:32 GMT 1
Lolllll cmon man. I was in the suite for about 5 minutes before going back outside, and I met who they told me to meet (nice guy). I would’ve loved to have met the youth team lads, but I had no idea. Kevin and I are old friends I’m here to learn about the club and supporters and say what I say No I will not say that, and no I will not suggest THAT. Yes I’ve said that and I’ve also said THAT so kindly please get out of my DMs with scouting reports as I have absolutely ZERO INFLUENCE on football things directly nor do I know any of you well enough to know whether or not you do either 😂 Anyway since you made a whole thread which you shouldn’t have, I thought it would be rude not to say something. Bottom line, I’m here to listen, learn, meet and talk to folks, and pass on what I see/hear. No one of any importance, just a keen observer. Pip pip carry on Not too sure on your knowledge of football, but either way you surely have to see how bad we are? I understand your point in that you have no influence in football matters but you must be able to gauge the general consensus on here. That is one of Moore is not up to the job, the majority of fans have had enough, are disillusioned and want him gone. I can tell you this, it is very very rare for a manager in Moores position to win back fans from where he is now. The run of results he needs to achieve that is approaching the impossible. Maybe a little word in Kevins ear ? First and biggest mistake he can make is that of pissing off/losing the fans. None of the people I sit with want him gone. They are not 100% convinced, but they are also aware the squad is weak beyond the first choice 11. Carlos went 3 wins in 27, if it wasn't for lock down I'm sure he'd have gone, but he made it to a second season and 90 mins from Premier league. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 15, 2024 21:22:47 GMT 1
I read here. I read on socials I spent more time before, during, and after the match talking with supporters than watching the match. I sat at the bottom where the Cowshed Loyal stands so I could hear and observe and talk to people. I am certainly able to relay sentiments, I assure you everyone is well aware of what people think. That’s all I can offer you That is good to hear. A few weeks back Kevin referred to us as customers which was a bad choice of words and did not go down well. Ultimately though he is right, football is a business and so is HTAFC. Like any business it needs a certain level of income from said customers to keep things viable. We have a saying in the UK, the customer is always right. I will say no more. I guess Justasmithers will work out who's opinions are not worth reading on here soon enough also. |
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Post by Melc on Jan 15, 2024 21:24:46 GMT 1
- can’t believe iced tea isn’t a thing - chips = fries - crisps = chips - biscuits = cookies - butty = sandwich I have come to the conclusion that a chip butty is carbs on carbs on carbs, and it seems to me like 2/3rds of the English cuisine is designed to help cure a hangover You’re learning Dave. Tell me, have you tried a Yorkshire Pudding yet? If not…you’re missing out!! 😋 In the old days nothing better than a beef dripping sandwich 3 slices of heart attack!! |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 15, 2024 21:32:26 GMT 1
He was in the suite yesterday, made a beeline for the fella that won some reality TV show (he did the Golden Gamble) but didn't come over and meet the old youth team lads, which was a shame. And how would he know who the old youth team lads were? I'm a supporter of 40+ years and I wouldn't know who they were. I imagine he was informed that said reality TV show bloke was in there, so it would have been good if he'd been informed about who else was in there. It isn't a criticism. |
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Post by Randy Watson on Jan 15, 2024 21:36:54 GMT 1
"Deep fried chocolate bars" sounds like a dare, and when you hear the ingredients in a Haggis you'd think the same, but they're genuinely bloody marvellous. Deep fried pizza however is an abomination. Have you ever tried deep fried Haggis though?? You can hear it squealing as its being cooked.......... Only if its free range |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 15, 2024 21:37:05 GMT 1
The crowd was bigger cos of all the free tickets given away ! Give them away. It does no harm, it was an opportunity to put on a show and take it to Plymouth... which died when dazzler decided to picked 8 defenders and played a style of football that can only be described as horrendous. The only thing missing on Saturday was a manager that knows what he is doing. I dont want to bring up warnock, i wouldnt have kept him, but he would have had the squad doubly bang up for this game, no question. I applaud the club for the endeavour they have put into improving match day experience, its a bit of a rabbit and hare situation. They should crack on with the "lightshow" get some fire cannons, give free tickets to kids and poor families etc etc. It does no harm. But they need to get a manager who also buys into that, he will say it was a professional performance to get a draw from a losing position. I would say it was a massive missed opportunity to unite the crowd, old and new behind a new dawn. Moores position is untenable, it's as simple as that. In no other realm of possibility other than stubborn ownership does Moore stay in position. Are you really so thick,or just a wind up merchant. Who was on the bench or available to play thatvyou think should have started instead of the Team that was picked? |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Jan 15, 2024 21:38:46 GMT 1
That is good to hear. A few weeks back Kevin referred to us as customers which was a bad choice of words and did not go down well. Ultimately though he is right, football is a business and so is HTAFC. Like any business it needs a certain level of income from said customers to keep things viable. We have a saying in the UK, the customer is always right. I will say no more. I guess Justasmithers will work out who's opinions are not worth reading on soon enough also. You have yours, I have mine, others have theirs. Nobodies is any more/less valid than anybody else’s on a message board like this. Ultimately if the majority of fans want Moore gone it is a matter of time as is the way with football managers. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 15, 2024 21:42:03 GMT 1
I guess Justasmithers will work out who's opinions are not worth reading on soon enough also. You have yours, I have mine, others have theirs. Nobodies is any more/less valid than anybody else’s on a message board like this. Ultimately if the majority of fans want Moore gone it is a matter of time as is the way with football managers. Just because some repeat the same thing relentlessly, doent make it true. Its only your opinion that you speak for most fans. But the opinions on here are not a reflection of the whole fan base. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Jan 15, 2024 21:46:38 GMT 1
You have yours, I have mine, others have theirs. Nobodies is any more/less valid than anybody else’s on a message board like this. Ultimately if the majority of fans want Moore gone it is a matter of time as is the way with football managers. Just because some repeat the same thing relentlessly, doent make it true. Its only your opinion that you speak for most fans. But the opinions on here are not a reflection of the whole fan base. See the “Fan confidence vote on Moore thread” it is at something like 315 no, 25 yes. That is a fairly sizeable survey which will no doubt give a fairly accurate representation of the wider fan base. The numbers quite clearly suggest that most fans are in the no camp. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 15, 2024 21:48:59 GMT 1
It’s mainly the same person doing most of the arguing to be fair. Isn't he allowed an opinion ? Yes buy we read it the first time, don't need to read 10 more times. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 15, 2024 21:51:05 GMT 1
Just because some repeat the same thing relentlessly, doent make it true. Its only your opinion that you speak for most fans. But the opinions on here are not a reflection of the whole fan base. See the “Fan confidence vote on Moore thread” it is at something like 315 no, 25 yes. That is a fairly sizeable survey which will no doubt give a fairly accurate representation of the wider fan base. The numbers quite clearly suggest that most fans are in the no camp. So 340 votes, how many season ticket holders are there 🤔 Like I said, this forum is a very small X section of fan base, and those who want to complain are usually the most vocal. |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 15, 2024 21:51:28 GMT 1
I guess Justasmithers will work out who's opinions are not worth reading on soon enough also. You have yours, I have mine, others have theirs. Nobodies is any more/less valid than anybody else’s on a message board like this. Ultimately if the majority of fans want Moore gone it is a matter of time as is the way with football managers. It's obvious who he's referring to 😂 |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 15, 2024 21:52:27 GMT 1
Isn't he allowed an opinion ? Yes buy we read it the first time, don't need to read 10 more times. If you click on my profile, there is a Block button. Feel free to use it, rather you block my posts than get so wound up by reading them. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jan 15, 2024 21:53:33 GMT 1
To be fair as a poster that likes to repeat their opinions time and time again on here I don’t see how you can complain with the replies in this thread, no abuse just honest disagreement. To then play the victim and fire abuse yourself is pretty embarrassing. Doesn't matter what I say, Henry, the usual accusations come. Seems like people enjoy kicking me, just because it's me. Others post similar opinions but they don't incur the backlash that my posts seem to get. I wasn't arguing with anyone, I wasn't battering anyone, I was just sharing opinions on a forum. When people constantly jump on your posts, you feel the need to fight back. Because sometimes, it's actually quite overwhelming when you've got multiple people having a go and accusing you of something you're not. If anyone is offended, then I apologise. There is some truth in this.. some posts are jumped on simply because of the poster. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jan 15, 2024 21:57:52 GMT 1
You say that other people have similar points but nobody repeats them over and over again in the way you do. It's just constant negativity post after post. Jumping on anything the club tries to do to improve the matchday experience simply because you aren't happy with what's being put out on the pitch. Nobody is happy with the situation but many of us can see that the owner is doing what he can to improve the club. Yes many of us want Moore gone but that decision in itself shouldn't be a stick used to beat the owner with. I'm the first person to get my bottom lip out when the product on the pitch is shite as I have done this weekend but I like to think I'm level headed enough to separate on field matters with off them. As Justaguy said why can't both be improved? As I've pointed out to you before, I don't post constant negativity. You only choose to see negativity. You completely ignore anything positive that I post. I heavily praised the club yesterday for being so good to the ex players they invited back to the ground on Saturday. They made a bunch of ex pros extremely happy with their hospitality. Have you posted in that thread or even acknowledged it? Because that certainly isn't negative. You are one of several posters on here that chooses to only see what could be construed as negative posts but completely ignore anything that is positive. That's why I lose my temper and react, because it's frustrating to be branded as something you're not. Maybe you losing your temper is coming through in your replies at times. Chill out, it's a bulletin board mate, people have different opinions. Make your point and move on 👍 |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Jan 15, 2024 21:58:02 GMT 1
See the “Fan confidence vote on Moore thread” it is at something like 315 no, 25 yes. That is a fairly sizeable survey which will no doubt give a fairly accurate representation of the wider fan base. The numbers quite clearly suggest that most fans are in the no camp. So 340 votes, how many season ticket holders are there 🤔 Like I said, this forum is a very small X section of fan base, and those who want to complain are usually the most vocal. If there had been 20/30 votes I would see your point but there has been 342. That is a reasonable number and a number that is far greater than the amount of “vocal” posters on here. It will no doubt include the full spectrum of type of fans, both the quiet and loud ones. This was a box tick vote, no need to be vocal. The numbers do not lie. |
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Post by sapphireblue on Jan 15, 2024 22:00:19 GMT 1
And how would he know who the old youth team lads were? I'm a supporter of 40+ years and I wouldn't know who they were. I imagine he was informed that said reality TV show bloke was in there, so it would have been good if he'd been informed about who else was in there. It isn't a criticism. Isn't having the Youth Cup Squad invited onto the pitch just a lightshow aimed at a different generation of fan? This isn't a criticism either. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 15, 2024 22:03:16 GMT 1
There are a few quick fixes to the existing matchday experience, and they all relate to catering. The catering staff are all too slow and too inexperienced. Saturday I ordered " a two-pinter of Amstel, a two-pionter of Town lager and a meat and potato pie please". I may as well have asked for a snifter of furdle-juice, a full hog roast and a hand shandy for the look of bewilderment I was given. And it's every week. You can look at light shows, cheerleaders, live music and all that but the basics can be fixed easily. In seasons gone by I've had a few that don't know what "lager" is, a blessing really having two types now so you have to say the brand name, which they can hopefully read, but shows the level of training they must receive! Very rarely the same staff either, can only assume the pay and conditions are appalling otherwise they'd surely be able to rustle up a pool of semi regular staff who know what they're doing. No supervision either, blind leading the blind. Hopefully if KN buys the stadium they can bring it all in house and do it properly. I know lots of fans don't and won't spend a penny but there are thousands desperate to buy food and drink who just don't bother due to the queues and shyte products on offer. I'd start by having concessions outside each end of the stand, lots of room there, also sell proper coffee, Costa is rammed pre match One problem within the Kilner Bank stand is nowhere to put a pint down while drinking. So you can't buy a pie and a drink 🤔. I went in via the North Stand at the weekend and there is a large empty space there which im sure could be made in to something more attractive to give fans somewhere to meet etc. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jan 15, 2024 22:04:43 GMT 1
...also sell proper coffee, Costa is rammed pre match I forget to mention this. Proper decent coffee. Surely there has to be a decent mark up on this - plus can drink it in your seat during the game. Imagine if we had in-seat service (though I sit in the middle and so wouldn't be overly popular)!!! We need to think what the match experience looks like in 10 years time rather than 20 years ago. g. Are they still selling bovril? |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 15, 2024 22:05:50 GMT 1
Yes buy we read it the first time, don't need to read 10 more times. If you click on my profile, there is a Block button. Feel free to use it, rather you block my posts than get so wound up by reading them. I will be doing. But you are missing the point. Bleat on and on like you do, people stop listening. Defeats your purpose really doesn't it. That's not a question by the way, cos I won't see the answer . 😉 |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 15, 2024 22:06:45 GMT 1
I imagine he was informed that said reality TV show bloke was in there, so it would have been good if he'd been informed about who else was in there. It isn't a criticism. Isn't having the Youth Cup Squad invited onto the pitch just a lightshow aimed at a different generation of fan? This isn't a criticism either. It's recognising a part of the club's history that has been ignored for far too long. |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 15, 2024 22:07:56 GMT 1
If you click on my profile, there is a Block button. Feel free to use it, rather you block my posts than get so wound up by reading them. I will be doing. But you are missing the point. Bleat on and on like you do, people stop listening. Defeats your purpose really doesn't it. That's not a question by the way, cos I won't see the answer . 😉 People don't listen anyway, their minds are made up as soon as they see the poster's name. Funny, really. |
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Post by sapphireblue on Jan 15, 2024 22:12:43 GMT 1
Isn't having the Youth Cup Squad invited onto the pitch just a lightshow aimed at a different generation of fan? This isn't a criticism either. It's recognising a part of the club's history that has been ignored for far too long. Good stuff. I was there. Sadly, it was a shit game and we lost. History is very important. The future, more so. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 15, 2024 22:15:48 GMT 1
Not too sure on your knowledge of football, but either way you surely have to see how bad we are? I understand your point in that you have no influence in football matters but you must be able to gauge the general consensus on here. That is one of Moore is not up to the job, the majority of fans have had enough, are disillusioned and want him gone. I can tell you this, it is very very rare for a manager in Moores position to win back fans from where he is now. The run of results he needs to achieve that is approaching the impossible. Maybe a little word in Kevins ear ? First and biggest mistake he can make is that of pissing off/losing the fans. One of the people I sit with want him gone. They are not 100% convinced, but they are also aware the squad is weak beyond the first choice 11. Carlos went 3 wins in 27, if it wasn't for lock down I'm sure he'd have gone, but he made it to a second season and 90 mins from Premier league. Carlos was tactically superb. Moore has one system and plays it even though he doesn't have the players to carry it off |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 15, 2024 22:15:49 GMT 1
It's recognising a part of the club's history that has been ignored for far too long. Good stuff. I was there. Sadly, it was a shit game and we lost. History is very important. The future, more so. It's important to a minority, sadly. Most don't care. As we've seen on here, it is largely ignored but the work continues, and the club have really improved on that score, recently. Not just with inviting players back but also recognising those that have passed away as well. |
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