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Post by royrace on Jan 15, 2024 18:20:37 GMT 1
Warnock brings his own staff in, ditching clements too. But that's okay because it's Warnock. Cartwright bring a very experienced man in to take up a new full time role and its negative?? Can't believe the amount of people that go through life always finding something to moan about. How have Nicholls and the goalkeepers done since Warnock ditched Clements? Bit different with managers isn't it although I did think it unnecessary to change the keeper coach. I guess at that point Warnock was able to ask for whatever he wanted. Might be a great appointment by Cartwright but just seems a bit easy and obvious rather than going out and trying to find the best man for the job. As has already been said he's probably perfect for the caretaker role though.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jan 15, 2024 18:26:09 GMT 1
Warnock brings his own staff in, ditching clements too. But that's okay because it's Warnock. Cartwright bring a very experienced man in to take up a new full time role and its negative?? Can't believe the amount of people that go through life always finding something to moan about. How have Nicholls and the goalkeepers done since Warnock ditched Clements? Bit different with managers isn't it although I did think it unnecessary to change the keeper coach. I guess at that point Warnock was able to ask for whatever he wanted. Might be a great appointment by Cartwright but just seems a bit easy and obvious rather than going out and trying to find the best man for the job. As has already been said he's probably perfect for the caretaker role though. to be fair as royace says its different with managers, Moore brought in basso , think how was Nicholls done since Basso came in ? seemed ok with Bennet didn't he just saying.
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Post by portugalterrier on Jan 15, 2024 18:37:05 GMT 1
Where have I said I rate Cartwright ? You have said he is highly rated and regarded in football quite a few times, which judging by what stoke fans and what Maynardblue has said can't be true. Plus his decision making in terms of the key roles to date doesn't smack of what a great and highly regarded figure in football. People called Fotheringham a chancer, hmmm i think we have one as a football ops right now more like. Seems far too cosy to me, Edwards and Cartwright pals doing each other a solid. Then Cartwright getting all his old "stoke friends" a job his "connections" in football don't seem that broad , midlands area only it seems. The i had a convo with Moore and from then one wanted to work with him, nahhh there is more to it than that am sorry i don't believe that for a second. That’s an opinion , it’s based on my knowledge of Stoke City, I aren’t really interested in what Stoke fans or Maynard say, that’s their opinions, it’s a forum, and I certainly don’t have to justify my opinions to you, anyway just crack on with your interpretations of Cartwright actions, you have every right to do so.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jan 15, 2024 18:41:59 GMT 1
You have said he is highly rated and regarded in football quite a few times, which judging by what stoke fans and what Maynardblue has said can't be true. Plus his decision making in terms of the key roles to date doesn't smack of what a great and highly regarded figure in football. People called Fotheringham a chancer, hmmm i think we have one as a football ops right now more like. Seems far too cosy to me, Edwards and Cartwright pals doing each other a solid. Then Cartwright getting all his old "stoke friends" a job his "connections" in football don't seem that broad , midlands area only it seems. The i had a convo with Moore and from then one wanted to work with him, nahhh there is more to it than that am sorry i don't believe that for a second. That’s an opinion , it’s based on my knowledge of Stoke City, I aren’t really interested in what Stoke fans or Maynard say, that’s their opinions, it’s a forum, and I certainly don’t have to justify my opinions to you, anyway just crack on with your interpretations of Cartwright actions, you have every right to do so. I don't want to have these opinnions of Cartwright . In fact i want to have the opinnion that he is doing the best for the club , but its very hard currently to feel that he is doing the right thing by the club and not himself. He has not done anything yet that suggests he is capable of doing the job he is asked to do. My opinnion or current one of him is not one i actually want to have.
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Post by runner76 on Jan 15, 2024 18:50:20 GMT 1
Sounds really well qualified and experienced. Don’t see an issue at all with this appointment……interestingly he was caretaker manager between managers at Cheltenham ……likely then if Moore goes so will his whole gang….
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jan 15, 2024 18:53:02 GMT 1
That’s an opinion , it’s based on my knowledge of Stoke City, I aren’t really interested in what Stoke fans or Maynard say, that’s their opinions, it’s a forum, and I certainly don’t have to justify my opinions to you, anyway just crack on with your interpretations of Cartwright actions, you have every right to do so. I don't want to have these opinnions of Cartwright . In fact i want to have the opinnion that he is doing the best for the club , but its very hard currently to feel that he is doing the right thing by the club and not himself. He has not done anything yet that suggests he is capable of doing the job he is asked to do. My opinnion or current one of him is not one i actually want to have. My opinion is you need to learn how to spell “opinion”. If Russell hadn’t been at Stoke previously would you have thought he was a decent acquisition given his previous experience?
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jan 15, 2024 18:57:19 GMT 1
I don't want to have these opinnions of Cartwright . In fact i want to have the opinnion that he is doing the best for the club , but its very hard currently to feel that he is doing the right thing by the club and not himself. He has not done anything yet that suggests he is capable of doing the job he is asked to do. My opinnion or current one of him is not one i actually want to have. My opinion is you need to learn how to spell “opinion”. If Russell hadn’t been at Stoke previously would you have thought he was a decent acquisition given his previous experience? good point well made regarding Russell, no i probs wouldn't it just seems a bit cosy which is an opinion. Which is all part of a forum after all. Yes Russell has a wealth of experience , which is good, but are there not a lot of coaches out there with said expeirnece ? was there an interview process involved in this appointment ?
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 15, 2024 19:00:31 GMT 1
Whilst I get that it might not be a great look that he was at Stoke at the same time at Cartwright, it's no different to the likes of Warnock using the same coaching staff throughout large parts of his managerial career? Seemed to work ok for him. Many other very very successful managers have done the same. Over and above his 8 seasons working in Stoke's Academy - developing players for a Premier League / Championship club - he has also had 13 years working as a First Team Assistant Manager / Coach at Championship and L1 & 2 level. Over 20 year's coaching experience from U18's Premier League Academy level to Championship first team level. I'd suggest he's possibly / probably the most experienced coach we have at the club. How long ago did he retire ? I still remember him playing
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Post by runner76 on Jan 15, 2024 19:06:20 GMT 1
I don't want to have these opinnions of Cartwright . In fact i want to have the opinnion that he is doing the best for the club , but its very hard currently to feel that he is doing the right thing by the club and not himself. He has not done anything yet that suggests he is capable of doing the job he is asked to do. My opinnion or current one of him is not one i actually want to have. My opinion is you need to learn how to spell “opinion”. If Russell hadn’t been at Stoke previously would you have thought he was a decent acquisition given his previous experience? funniest thing I've read today
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 15, 2024 19:06:28 GMT 1
Mark Hughes getting measured up for the manager’s suit as we speak. I have more chance of managing Town than Mark Hughes. Bloody hope so
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jan 15, 2024 19:07:31 GMT 1
My opinion is you need to learn how to spell “opinion”. If Russell hadn’t been at Stoke previously would you have thought he was a decent acquisition given his previous experience? funniest thing I've read today I only saw the typo when he highlighted it , fair play
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jan 15, 2024 19:13:55 GMT 1
Whilst I get that it might not be a great look that he was at Stoke at the same time at Cartwright, it's no different to the likes of Warnock using the same coaching staff throughout large parts of his managerial career? Seemed to work ok for him. Many other very very successful managers have done the same. Over and above his 8 seasons working in Stoke's Academy - developing players for a Premier League / Championship club - he has also had 13 years working as a First Team Assistant Manager / Coach at Championship and L1 & 2 level. Over 20 year's coaching experience from U18's Premier League Academy level to Championship first team level. I'd suggest he's possibly / probably the most experienced coach we have at the club. working his way up to Cheltenham.
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Post by portugalterrier on Jan 15, 2024 19:25:23 GMT 1
That’s an opinion , it’s based on my knowledge of Stoke City, I aren’t really interested in what Stoke fans or Maynard say, that’s their opinions, it’s a forum, and I certainly don’t have to justify my opinions to you, anyway just crack on with your interpretations of Cartwright actions, you have every right to do so. I don't want to have these opinnions of Cartwright . In fact i want to have the opinnion that he is doing the best for the club , but its very hard currently to feel that he is doing the right thing by the club and not himself. He has not done anything yet that suggests he is capable of doing the job he is asked to do. My opinnion or current one of him is not one i actually want to have. Why should you or I have concerns whether Cartwright is doing the job he is employed to do, Nagel has already stated that everyone is answerable to him, he is after all paying their wages and has no doubt set the parameters and targets they are expected to achieve , Nagel has only just this week said people will be held to account . You don’t think Cartwright has done anything to suggest he is capable of doing the job he is asked to do , do you actually know which jobs Cartwright has been asked to do , do you know what the kpi he is expected to achieve, do you actually know if it was Cartwright who actually chose DM, no you don’t , your making assumptions based on actually knowing nothing, your right , but don’t start calling posters out who have a opposing view to yourself, I’m sure Nagel will remove anyone who doesn’t deliver what they are tasked to do, you don’t become rich by accepting mediocrity .
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Post by portugalterrier on Jan 15, 2024 19:29:38 GMT 1
I don't want to have these opinnions of Cartwright . In fact i want to have the opinnion that he is doing the best for the club , but its very hard currently to feel that he is doing the right thing by the club and not himself. He has not done anything yet that suggests he is capable of doing the job he is asked to do. My opinnion or current one of him is not one i actually want to have. My opinion is you need to learn how to spell “opinion”. If Russell hadn’t been at Stoke previously would you have thought he was a decent acquisition given his previous experience? As I was commenting on the fact Russell had been at Stoke and I had an opinion based on the job he did at Stoke I wouldn’t have had any knowledge of his previous experience so your point is irrelevant ,
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jan 15, 2024 19:30:03 GMT 1
I don't want to have these opinnions of Cartwright . In fact i want to have the opinnion that he is doing the best for the club , but its very hard currently to feel that he is doing the right thing by the club and not himself. He has not done anything yet that suggests he is capable of doing the job he is asked to do. My opinnion or current one of him is not one i actually want to have. Why should you or I have concerns whether Cartwright is doing the job he is employed to do, Nagel has already stated that everyone is answerable to him, he is after all paying their wages and has no doubt set the parameters and targets they are expected to achieve , Nagel has only just this week said people will be held to account . You don’t think Cartwright has done anything to suggest he is capable of doing the job he is asked to do , do you actually know which jobs Cartwright has been asked to do , do you know what the kpi he is expected to achieve, do you actually know if it was Cartwright who actually chose DM, no you don’t , your making assumptions based on actually knowing nothing, your right , but don’t start calling posters out who have a opposing view to yourself, I’m sure Nagel will remove anyone who doesn’t deliver what they are tasked to do, you don’t become rich by accepting mediocrity . i am defo not making an asumption regarding Cartwright appoint Moore, Cartwright said in an interview regarding the "role of a sporting director" that he appointed Moore. I am allowed to be concered regarding Town and its future as a supporter . I want everyone involved in the club to be trying their best for the club i support , is that not normal ? To date there are questions to be asked as Nagle said that himself as you have said, therefore as a fan of the club i am allowed to ask questions as the guy who runs the club is asking questions .
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jan 15, 2024 19:39:29 GMT 1
Shame he’s not 30 years younger. I seem to remember he was a pretty decent striker. Never mind 30 years ago, he could've been on the bench saturday
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Post by prepare on Jan 15, 2024 19:58:17 GMT 1
I know some fans want to be angry with everything right now but: The 'ridiculous' Stoke connection, that's just Edwards and now this guy right? Am I missing anybody else? And there's some debate as to whether Edwards was a Cartwright signing. As has been said above, if you've worked with somebody before and you know he's good, is that a bad thing? He seems to have good credentials. 'Kick in the nuts for Worthy' - Jon Worthington is leading the academy expansion, his remit has increased massively so should he really have to lead the B team as well as that? Out of the two roles I would say the acaademy manager was much higher profile especially with the new setup going forward, and they've been seperate roles historically. (Edit: this has also been pointed out above as I was typing) There's plenty to be cross about at the moment. Not sure this appointment is something to get too angry about however. spot on some on here are so illinformed
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Post by bigtruck on Jan 15, 2024 20:08:31 GMT 1
That’s an opinion , it’s based on my knowledge of Stoke City, I aren’t really interested in what Stoke fans or Maynard say, that’s their opinions, it’s a forum, and I certainly don’t have to justify my opinions to you, anyway just crack on with your interpretations of Cartwright actions, you have every right to do so. I don't want to have these opinnions of Cartwright . In fact i want to have the opinnion that he is doing the best for the club , but its very hard currently to feel that he is doing the right thing by the club and not himself. He has not done anything yet that suggests he is capable of doing the job he is asked to do. My opinnion or current one of him is not one i actually want to have. Which part of bringing in one of the the games brightest talents, a recognised striker with European experience and an extremely well respected, experienced coach to head our B team suggests he isn't capable of doing his job?
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Post by specialun on Jan 15, 2024 20:20:16 GMT 1
I know some fans want to be angry with everything right now but: The 'ridiculous' Stoke connection, that's just Edwards and now this guy right? Am I missing anybody else? And there's some debate as to weather Edwards was a Cartwright signing. As has been said above, if you've worked with somebody before and you know he's good, is that a bad thing? He seems to have good credentials. 'Kick in the nuts for Worthy' - Jon Worthington is leading the academy expansion, his remit has increased massively so should he really have to lead the B team as well as that? Out of the two roles I would say the acaademy manager was much higher profile especially with the new setup going forward, and they've been seperate roles historically. (Edit: this has also been pointed out above as I was typing) There's plenty to be cross about at the moment. Not sure this appointment is something to get too angry about however. Sensible as usual We were always going to have to recruit another coach imo to either focus on academy or b team given we’re reversing one of Hoyle’s legacy of ditching the academy (ducks for cover awaiting captain’s response). If Cartwright rates him, he’s available and has pedigree for development whilst keeping Worthington in a new role then fine by me. If Russell fails it’s on Cartwright. I thought some criticised appointing from within when we put Worthington into that role but I may be wrong - can’t win! I’m still struggling with the outright anger at Cartwright - the combo of late take over / recruitment / getting rid of Warnock so early / failure of Moore so far is to blame got the mess we’re in - Cartwright seems the fall guy, why him getting the brunt not Edwards? Nagle? How many of these were in his control? Not even sure recruitment was! Cartwright would be better judged in summer, but accept given the mess we’re in he’s under pressure to deliver now
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Post by rockwall on Jan 15, 2024 20:23:22 GMT 1
Bit different with managers isn't it although I did think it unnecessary to change the keeper coach. I guess at that point Warnock was able to ask for whatever he wanted. Might be a great appointment by Cartwright but just seems a bit easy and obvious rather than going out and trying to find the best man for the job. As has already been said he's probably perfect for the caretaker role though. to be fair as royace says its different with managers, Moore brought in basso , think how was Nicholls done since Basso came in ? seemed ok with Bennet didn't he just saying. He didn't though did he? Plymouth, Leicester and Norwich, go back to those threads and the amount of comments regarding Nicholls and goals he should have stopped. Many stating that Clements shouldn't have been let go. Nicholls hasn't been any better or worse with Basso than Bennett.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jan 15, 2024 20:35:10 GMT 1
I don't want to have these opinnions of Cartwright . In fact i want to have the opinnion that he is doing the best for the club , but its very hard currently to feel that he is doing the right thing by the club and not himself. He has not done anything yet that suggests he is capable of doing the job he is asked to do. My opinnion or current one of him is not one i actually want to have. Which part of bringing in one of the the games brightest talents, a recognised striker with European experience and an extremely well respected, experienced coach to head our B team suggests he isn't capable of doing his job? Well i think people and i have also stated my reasons for the current doubting, but like i have also said i am wanting him to do well for us course i am. If due to the reasons i and others have stated to have a little concern then thats upto you , which again is fine. But as i have said i want him and everyone connected to the club to do well for us as that means we move up the league and towards where the club wants to be.
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Post by portugalterrier on Jan 15, 2024 21:32:35 GMT 1
My opinion is you need to learn how to spell “opinion”. If Russell hadn’t been at Stoke previously would you have thought he was a decent acquisition given his previous experience? As I was commenting on the fact Russell had been at Stoke and I had an opinion based on the job he did at Stoke I wouldn’t have had any knowledge of his previous experience so your point is irrelevant , Apologies Walton, I confused who and what I was responding to.
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Post by Sparrow on Jan 15, 2024 21:34:32 GMT 1
That’s an opinion , it’s based on my knowledge of Stoke City, I aren’t really interested in what Stoke fans or Maynard say, that’s their opinions, it’s a forum, and I certainly don’t have to justify my opinions to you, anyway just crack on with your interpretations of Cartwright actions, you have every right to do so. I don't want to have these opinnions of Cartwright . In fact i want to have the opinnion that he is doing the best for the club , but its very hard currently to feel that he is doing the right thing by the club and not himself. He has not done anything yet that suggests he is capable of doing the job he is asked to do. My opinnion or current one of him is not one i actually want to have. In most industries a number of recruitment decisions are based on people you know, have worked with previously and their performance during that time. If someone you’ve previously worked with performed their role really well and you now have a vacancy for that role, you are naturally going approach them. Cartwright will have likely worked closely with him at Stoke. I very much doubt he’d recommend/appoint someone who is crap. I know he was central to appointing DM. But the vast majority of managerial appointments don’t work out as planned. How many managerial appointments have we got right in the last 30 odd years? I get that people love to complain and Cartwright is a target at the moment. However, let’s at least give the new guy a chance. There’s 2 or 3 posters on here that’ll be able to tell us in a couple of months if this guy is any good or not 😉
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Post by aideybabes on Jan 15, 2024 21:36:24 GMT 1
I’ll give it 2 weeks before he’s taking temporary charge of the first team Let’s hope so. He can’t do any worse than ar clueless Daz.
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Post by Big Ern on Jan 15, 2024 21:57:48 GMT 1
Fans are so frustrated at the moment that it appears all logic goes out of the window. Aside from the opinion of Maynardblue who's opinion I do respect, nobody actually knows anything about what Cartwright does or doesn't do.
We need a scapegoat, I get that because ultimately slagging the manager off isn't getting a reaction so the masses dlock to the next person. I'm not too sure however that the vitriol towards Cartwright is warranted. Not without any facts anyway.
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Post by bigtruck on Jan 15, 2024 22:18:54 GMT 1
Which part of bringing in one of the the games brightest talents, a recognised striker with European experience and an extremely well respected, experienced coach to head our B team suggests he isn't capable of doing his job? Well i think people and i have also stated my reasons for the current doubting, but like i have also said i am wanting him to do well for us course i am. If due to the reasons i and others have stated to have a little concern then thats upto you , which again is fine. But as i have said i want him and everyone connected to the club to do well for us as that means we move up the league and towards where the club wants to be. But you haven’t stated any reasons. You’ve just thrown conspiracy theories out there. You’ve said it can’t be true that he’s highly rated. All these “key decisions” he’s ballsed up? Bar being involved in appointing DM (which will have been JEs decision, which other major decisions has he messed up. Who are all these “old Stoke friends” that have suddenly invaded the club? Apart from the 20 year experienced assistant manager and coach? And his reach goes no further than the midlands you said? Remind me again which turn off of the M6 Helsinki is again. Which part of Dudley did we pull Matos from. You’re scapegoating without anything to base it on. Don’t get me wrong, if he does balls up the bits that are actually his job, then I’ll be in line right behind you demanding answers. But right now you’re just making the questions up.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jan 15, 2024 22:30:05 GMT 1
Well i think people and i have also stated my reasons for the current doubting, but like i have also said i am wanting him to do well for us course i am. If due to the reasons i and others have stated to have a little concern then thats upto you , which again is fine. But as i have said i want him and everyone connected to the club to do well for us as that means we move up the league and towards where the club wants to be. But you haven’t stated any reasons. You’ve just thrown conspiracy theories out there. You’ve said it can’t be true that he’s highly rated. All these “key decisions” he’s ballsed up? Bar being involved in appointing DM (which will have been JEs decision, which other major decisions has he messed up. Who are all these “old Stoke friends” that have suddenly invaded the club? Apart from the 20 year experienced assistant manager and coach? And his reach goes no further than the midlands you said? Remind me again which turn off of the M6 Helsinki is again. Which part of Dudley did we pull Matos from. You’re scapegoating without anything to base it on. Don’t get me wrong, if he does balls up the bits that are actually his job, then I’ll be in line right behind you demanding answers. But right now you’re just making the questions up. I said yes appointing Moore was a huge error , which its proving to be. I can't name names of exact things i have being told about Cartwright but its not great hearing . In the summer he was part of the what was a shocking summer was he not , then as we have already said the hiring of Moore which he said in a "how to be a sporting director" interview it was his choice to appoint Moore. I know a lot of Stoke fans due to living a few years in the midlands area and they couldn't say a good word about him. Its all well and good picking me out, for having a view of so far is not looking great. I have said i hope he proves me wrong , but what is he judged on msot appointing managers, hows that going ? he has brought in a cf yes, who comes with a good repuation but lets see and matos, who is grand, but lets see what else comes through the door before we label it a great window. I am sorry but watching him and Edwards grinning like they were when they got rid of Warnock to bring Moore is was shockingly poor for me. If Warnock had to go thats fine, but you replaced him with someoen who you know is nowhere near as good as Warnock, which is proving the case. The way o and btw why don't you ask Maynard and others why they have the feelings they do about Cartwright am not hte only one , who he is yet to win over by his talk . I want him to be sucessful , but to date am still not covinced by him . Which i am allowed to not be am i not ?
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Post by bigtruck on Jan 15, 2024 22:59:20 GMT 1
But you haven’t stated any reasons. You’ve just thrown conspiracy theories out there. You’ve said it can’t be true that he’s highly rated. All these “key decisions” he’s ballsed up? Bar being involved in appointing DM (which will have been JEs decision, which other major decisions has he messed up. Who are all these “old Stoke friends” that have suddenly invaded the club? Apart from the 20 year experienced assistant manager and coach? And his reach goes no further than the midlands you said? Remind me again which turn off of the M6 Helsinki is again. Which part of Dudley did we pull Matos from. You’re scapegoating without anything to base it on. Don’t get me wrong, if he does balls up the bits that are actually his job, then I’ll be in line right behind you demanding answers. But right now you’re just making the questions up. I said yes appointing Moore was a huge error , which its proving to be. I can't name names of exact things i have being told about Cartwright but its not great hearing . In the summer he was part of the what was a shocking summer was he not , then as we have already said the hiring of Moore which he said in a "how to be a sporting director" interview it was his choice to appoint Moore. I know a lot of Stoke fans due to living a few years in the midlands area and they couldn't say a good word about him. Its all well and good picking me out, for having a view of so far is not looking great. I have said i hope he proves me wrong , but what is he judged on msot appointing managers, hows that going ? he has brought in a cf yes, who comes with a good repuation but lets see and matos, who is grand, but lets see what else comes through the door before we label it a great window. I am sorry but watching him and Edwards grinning like they were when they got rid of Warnock to bring Moore is was shockingly poor for me. If Warnock had to go thats fine, but you replaced him with someoen who you know is nowhere near as good as Warnock, which is proving the case. The way o and btw why don't you ask Maynard and others why they have the feelings they do about Cartwright am not hte only one , who he is yet to win over by his talk . I want him to be sucessful , but to date am still not covinced by him . Which i am allowed to not be am i not ? Apologies for directing it solely at you. Yours was the post I saw. Just to clarify, I haven’t been won over by Cartwright at all and it’s certainly not been the window we desperately need, so far. But I’m also not buying into this jobs for the boys, everyone he knows is from Stoke nonsense. And ask those stoke mates what they thought of him when things were going well to start with. Jack Butland, Pieters, Muniesa, Arnautavic, Odemwingie, Bardsley, Moses, Bojan all were Cartwright signings. The stoke lot were happy then. Opinions tend to drop quickly when things go wrong. I just want people to wait until he does actually f**k up before slating him
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Post by runner76 on Jan 15, 2024 23:05:19 GMT 1
I think most people with a reasonable approach will assess Cartwright at the end of this window…..not less than halfway into it, which has so far been seemingly pretty decent.
If that’s good then, really, the big work will start in Summer…..
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jan 15, 2024 23:06:57 GMT 1
I said yes appointing Moore was a huge error , which its proving to be. I can't name names of exact things i have being told about Cartwright but its not great hearing . In the summer he was part of the what was a shocking summer was he not , then as we have already said the hiring of Moore which he said in a "how to be a sporting director" interview it was his choice to appoint Moore. I know a lot of Stoke fans due to living a few years in the midlands area and they couldn't say a good word about him. Its all well and good picking me out, for having a view of so far is not looking great. I have said i hope he proves me wrong , but what is he judged on msot appointing managers, hows that going ? he has brought in a cf yes, who comes with a good repuation but lets see and matos, who is grand, but lets see what else comes through the door before we label it a great window. I am sorry but watching him and Edwards grinning like they were when they got rid of Warnock to bring Moore is was shockingly poor for me. If Warnock had to go thats fine, but you replaced him with someoen who you know is nowhere near as good as Warnock, which is proving the case. The way o and btw why don't you ask Maynard and others why they have the feelings they do about Cartwright am not hte only one , who he is yet to win over by his talk . I want him to be sucessful , but to date am still not covinced by him . Which i am allowed to not be am i not ? Apologies for directing it solely at you. Yours was the post I saw. Just to clarify, I haven’t been won over by Cartwright at all and it’s certainly not been the window we desperately need, so far. But I’m also not buying into this jobs for the boys, everyone he knows is from Stoke nonsense. And ask those stoke mates what they thought of him when things were going well to start with. Jack Butland, Pieters, Muniesa, Arnautavic, Odemwingie, Bardsley, Moses, Bojan all were Cartwright signings. The stoke lot were happy then. Opinions tend to drop quickly when things go wrong. I just want people to wait until he does actually f**k up before slating him I understand your points. I totally agree that as a sporting director you never bat 10 out of 10 and yes he did some good work at Stoke. Bromby didn't get all his signings wrong at Town and i would say got his first appointment to the head coaches role right and was one kick away from the prem with that one. I hope by the end of this window and the summer we are looking up instead of down and he can pull out some major coup's. I suppose part of it is, how they described the Warnock replacement , then Moore was appointed it was like noooo thats nowhere near what you deserbed. I thought maybe with Cartwright being at Stoke during the prem years he might be able to pull something inspired out of the bag. Tthats what am hoping with this January window.
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