bigtruck
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Post by bigtruck on Jan 15, 2024 23:10:26 GMT 1
Apologies for directing it solely at you. Yours was the post I saw. Just to clarify, I haven’t been won over by Cartwright at all and it’s certainly not been the window we desperately need, so far. But I’m also not buying into this jobs for the boys, everyone he knows is from Stoke nonsense. And ask those stoke mates what they thought of him when things were going well to start with. Jack Butland, Pieters, Muniesa, Arnautavic, Odemwingie, Bardsley, Moses, Bojan all were Cartwright signings. The stoke lot were happy then. Opinions tend to drop quickly when things go wrong. I just want people to wait until he does actually f**k up before slating him I understand your points. I totally agree that as a sporting director you never bat 10 out of 10 and yes he did some good work at Stoke. Bromby didn't get all his signings wrong at Town and i would say got his first appointment to the head coaches role right and was one kick away from the prem with that one. I hope by the end of this window and the summer we are looking up instead of down and he can pull out some major coup's. I suppose part of it is, how they described the Warnock replacement , then Moore was appointed it was like noooo thats nowhere near what you deserbed. I thought maybe with Cartwright being at Stoke during the prem years he might be able to pull something inspired out of the bag. Tthats what am hoping with this January window. 100% agree the anti climax of Moore’s appointment probably also gave him less credit with fans from the off. |
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Post by Kenny irons on Jan 15, 2024 23:21:16 GMT 1
Another mate of fat Cartwright
Edwards is great but he’s giving Cartwright Far too much responsibility
Will judge the new man.
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Post by Big Ern on Jan 15, 2024 23:23:06 GMT 1
Another mate of fat Cartwright Edwards is great but he’s giving Cartwright Far too much responsibility Will judge the new man. No need for the fat comment. If you think Cartwright is bad just think back to last season when Bromby was on the radio saying they would be open to speaking to Wagner, only to go and appoint Fotheringham instead. |
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Post by midlander on Jan 15, 2024 23:52:56 GMT 1
Whilst I get that it might not be a great look that he was at Stoke at the same time at Cartwright, it's no different to the likes of Warnock using the same coaching staff throughout large parts of his managerial career? Seemed to work ok for him. Many other very very successful managers have done the same. Over and above his 8 seasons working in Stoke's Academy - developing players for a Premier League / Championship club - he has also had 13 years working as a First Team Assistant Manager / Coach at Championship and L1 & 2 level. Over 20 year's coaching experience from U18's Premier League Academy level to Championship first team level. I'd suggest he's possibly / probably the most experienced coach we have at the club. He is a very good coach and well-regarded. Some folk just can't help but to fashion criticism out of any decision. A great addition to the club imho |
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Post by incognito on Jan 16, 2024 0:37:32 GMT 1
Another mate of fat Cartwright Edwards is great but he’s giving Cartwright Far too much responsibility Will judge the new man. Also a mate of Edwards - the three of them played in the same Wrexham team in the late 90s. Ps - when dealing with adults, referring to someone as "fat Cartwright" will generally inform their estimation of you more than it will their estimation of him. |
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Post by ibby on Jan 16, 2024 1:54:53 GMT 1
Rooster is a good guy. He will do a good job.
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Post by royrace on Jan 16, 2024 10:33:40 GMT 1
I don't want to have these opinnions of Cartwright . In fact i want to have the opinnion that he is doing the best for the club , but its very hard currently to feel that he is doing the right thing by the club and not himself. He has not done anything yet that suggests he is capable of doing the job he is asked to do. My opinnion or current one of him is not one i actually want to have. In most industries a number of recruitment decisions are based on people you know, have worked with previously and their performance during that time. If someone you’ve previously worked with performed their role really well and you now have a vacancy for that role, you are naturally going approach them. Cartwright will have likely worked closely with him at Stoke. I very much doubt he’d recommend/appoint someone who is crap. I know he was central to appointing DM. But the vast majority of managerial appointments don’t work out as planned. How many managerial appointments have we got right in the last 30 odd years? I get that people love to complain and Cartwright is a target at the moment. However, let’s at least give the new guy a chance. There’s 2 or 3 posters on here that’ll be able to tell us in a couple of months if this guy is any good or not 😉 You seem surprised that Cartwright isn't exactly held in high esteem by most Town fans which seems odd. He's sporting director so ultimately responsible for the footballing side, assessing the squad, choosing a new manager, bringing in players. So far performance on that front has been abysmal. The wisdom of going into the season with a weak squad then getting rid of the only man capable of getting it to perform so early is very rightly questioned. To give him the benefit of the doubt, Nagle MIGHT have forced his hand on that one however his job should have been to say no, its way too risky, like most clued up fans on here would have and to be honest anyone that has a reasonable knowledge of the squad and the championship. I mean you could put the stats from the season before in front of pretty much anyone, give them an hour to think, and they'd probably come to the same conclusion. Then we have the decision to give the job to Moore, no point going over old ground here but he's appointed a complete dud, completely inappropriate for what was needed, looked it at the time and has proved to be probably even worse that most feared. The tripe he came out with in the press conference about DMs attributes as a manager did him no favours either, just made him look clueless, like he'd picked an easy option and spent literally 5 minutes on the decision rather than doing all of the due diligence required when appointing a coaching team to a very important role on a 3 year deal. Can't be sure who brought in a Stoke reject who couldn't cut it in L1 the season before but it seems highly likely it was MC despite the Warnock bashers on here trying to pin it on him (fwiw Edwards is probably the least Warnock type player I've ever seen so I know who I believe). On the positive side he looks to have maybe found a decent player in Burgzorg and the Matos signing looks good to date. So when he signs up another coach who he worked with at Stoke obviously eyes are going to roll, possibly due to the fact that the vast majority of his career has been spent in the lower leagues and most recently at Cheltenham Town and obviously because it looks like a lazy, easy, jobs for the boys appointment. Hopefully its not and he is the best man for the job found after a rigorous recruitment process. I don't think anyone on here is thick enough to think that appointing people you know is never a good idea, of course sometimes its a great idea for the reasons you mention. Personally I don't think it's a surprise that people have little faith in Cartwright, lets hope he can change some opinions, he's got some work to do though. |
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Post by prepare on Jan 16, 2024 11:00:02 GMT 1
In most industries a number of recruitment decisions are based on people you know, have worked with previously and their performance during that time. If someone you’ve previously worked with performed their role really well and you now have a vacancy for that role, you are naturally going approach them. Cartwright will have likely worked closely with him at Stoke. I very much doubt he’d recommend/appoint someone who is crap. I know he was central to appointing DM. But the vast majority of managerial appointments don’t work out as planned. How many managerial appointments have we got right in the last 30 odd years? I get that people love to complain and Cartwright is a target at the moment. However, let’s at least give the new guy a chance. There’s 2 or 3 posters on here that’ll be able to tell us in a couple of months if this guy is any good or not 😉 You seem surprised that Cartwright isn't exactly held in high esteem by most Town fans which seems odd. He's sporting director so ultimately responsible for the footballing side, assessing the squad, choosing a new manager, bringing in players. So far performance on that front has been abysmal. The wisdom of going into the season with a weak squad then getting rid of the only man capable of getting it to perform so early is very rightly questioned. To give him the benefit of the doubt, Nagle MIGHT have forced his hand on that one however his job should have been to say no, its way too risky, like most clued up fans on here would have and to be honest anyone that has a reasonable knowledge of the squad and the championship. I mean you could put the stats from the season before in front of pretty much anyone, give them an hour to think, and they'd probably come to the same conclusion. Then we have the decision to give the job to Moore, no point going over old ground here but he's appointed a complete dud, completely inappropriate for what was needed, looked it at the time and has proved to be probably even worse that most feared. The tripe he came out with in the press conference about DMs attributes as a manager did him no favours either, just made him look clueless, like he'd picked an easy option and spent literally 5 minutes on the decision rather than doing all of the due diligence required when appointing a coaching team to a very important role on a 3 year deal. Can't be sure who brought in a Stoke reject who couldn't cut it in L1 the season before but it seems highly likely it was MC despite the Warnock bashers on here trying to pin it on him (fwiw Edwards is probably the least Warnock type player I've ever seen so I know who I believe). On the positive side he looks to have maybe found a decent player in Burgzorg and the Matos signing looks good to date. So when he signs up another coach who he worked with at Stoke obviously eyes are going to roll, possibly due to the fact that the vast majority of his career has been spent in the lower leagues and most recently at Cheltenham Town and obviously because it looks like a lazy, easy, jobs for the boys appointment. Hopefully its not and he is the best man for the job found after a rigorous recruitment process. I don't think anyone on here is thick enough to think that appointing people you know is never a good idea, of course sometimes its a great idea for the reasons you mention. Personally I don't think it's a surprise that people have little faith in Cartwright, lets hope he can change some opinions, he's got some work to do though. is David wheatherall still here? |
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Post by rockwall on Jan 16, 2024 11:11:47 GMT 1
You seem surprised that Cartwright isn't exactly held in high esteem by most Town fans which seems odd. He's sporting director so ultimately responsible for the footballing side, assessing the squad, choosing a new manager, bringing in players. So far performance on that front has been abysmal. The wisdom of going into the season with a weak squad then getting rid of the only man capable of getting it to perform so early is very rightly questioned. To give him the benefit of the doubt, Nagle MIGHT have forced his hand on that one however his job should have been to say no, its way too risky, like most clued up fans on here would have and to be honest anyone that has a reasonable knowledge of the squad and the championship. I mean you could put the stats from the season before in front of pretty much anyone, give them an hour to think, and they'd probably come to the same conclusion. Then we have the decision to give the job to Moore, no point going over old ground here but he's appointed a complete dud, completely inappropriate for what was needed, looked it at the time and has proved to be probably even worse that most feared. The tripe he came out with in the press conference about DMs attributes as a manager did him no favours either, just made him look clueless, like he'd picked an easy option and spent literally 5 minutes on the decision rather than doing all of the due diligence required when appointing a coaching team to a very important role on a 3 year deal. Can't be sure who brought in a Stoke reject who couldn't cut it in L1 the season before but it seems highly likely it was MC despite the Warnock bashers on here trying to pin it on him (fwiw Edwards is probably the least Warnock type player I've ever seen so I know who I believe). On the positive side he looks to have maybe found a decent player in Burgzorg and the Matos signing looks good to date. So when he signs up another coach who he worked with at Stoke obviously eyes are going to roll, possibly due to the fact that the vast majority of his career has been spent in the lower leagues and most recently at Cheltenham Town and obviously because it looks like a lazy, easy, jobs for the boys appointment. Hopefully its not and he is the best man for the job found after a rigorous recruitment process. I don't think anyone on here is thick enough to think that appointing people you know is never a good idea, of course sometimes its a great idea for the reasons you mention. Personally I don't think it's a surprise that people have little faith in Cartwright, lets hope he can change some opinions, he's got some work to do though. is David wheatherall still here? Yeah, he is academy strategic advisor. Nothing to do with the coaching side. |
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Post by prepare on Jan 16, 2024 11:23:55 GMT 1
is David wheatherall still here? Yeah, he is academy strategic advisor. Nothing to do with the coaching side. that’s what I thought but thanks |
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Post by incognito on Feb 15, 2024 11:45:59 GMT 1
The Taff to Worthy's Jacko?  It's looking a particularly timely hire now. The more good people we're able to get through the door, the stronger the foundations to push the club forwards... |
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