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Post by dezzly on Feb 14, 2024 14:57:15 GMT 1
I think with Kevin Russel and tongue(is that how it’s spelt?) there is enough experience between the 3 of them to have the know how.worthy and tongue have a wealth of playing experience and since then having coached at varying levels, and Russell was assistant at Peterborough for a good stint(I think with Ferguson) and they did play and have always played attacking football haven’t they.I don’t worry so much for that it’s more whether that translates to results! The same Kevin Russell that everyone was slagging off a month ago because he'd lost his first game as B Team Manager 8-0? Yeh that one that happened on virtually his first day in charge and with half of his squad taken for first team yeh that guy. |
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Post by upthetown on Feb 14, 2024 15:00:36 GMT 1
I think with Kevin Russel and tongue(is that how it’s spelt?) there is enough experience between the 3 of them to have the know how.worthy and tongue have a wealth of playing experience and since then having coached at varying levels, and Russell was assistant at Peterborough for a good stint(I think with Ferguson) and they did play and have always played attacking football haven’t they.I don’t worry so much for that it’s more whether that translates to results! The same Kevin Russell that everyone was slagging off a month ago because he'd lost his first game as B Team Manager 8-0? “…everyone…” |
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 14, 2024 15:02:28 GMT 1
The same Kevin Russell that everyone was slagging off a month ago because he'd lost his first game as B Team Manager 8-0? Yeh that one that happened on virtually his first day in charge and with half of his squad taken for first team yeh that guy. Yeah, I know. It can be Worthy till the end of the season for me. He gets the club. |
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 14, 2024 15:08:05 GMT 1
Happen to be in the same group as mates as worthy from school,local area etc.Pretty sure we’re at a stage where if he agrees to do it it’s him to the end of the season. Yep. It’s been pretty pretty amateur since the sacking of Moore by all accounts. For all their hard work in the January window the manager fiasco really hasn’t been good since the new regime came in. Hopefully this doesn’t ruin Worthy like it did Danny. What's been amateur about the process since the sacking of Moore? haven't seen anything leak out? |
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Post by paulmat on Feb 14, 2024 15:08:28 GMT 1
Can anybody give me a reason why appointing Worthington until the end of the season would be a good idea, compared to just leaving him as interim?
Sure, it would give a bit of clarity, but if we appoint him until the end of the season and we lose the next 3 and decide to move on from him we're effectively sacking a 3rd manager this season, if we keep him as interim manager you can leave him in place until the end of the season if it's going well or move him on at any point if it's not.
Personally I'm not in favour of sticking with Worthington either way, I think it's a huge risk given our position. But if that's the way the board are thinking for whatever reasons, then an announcement that we are going to leave Worthington in charge for the next few matches would seem a lot more sensible than 'commiting' to him seeing out the season on the basis of an initial upturn in performances.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Feb 14, 2024 15:08:29 GMT 1
Happen to be in the same group as mates as worthy from school,local area etc.Pretty sure we’re at a stage where if he agrees to do it it’s him to the end of the season. Yep. It’s been pretty pretty amateur since the sacking of Moore by all accounts. For all their hard work in the January window the manager fiasco really hasn’t been good since the new regime came in. Hopefully this doesn’t ruin Worthy like it did Danny. That is really concerning to hear. If we lose the next 2 (not inconceivable) then we will need to get a manager in place ASAP. From what you're saying we haven't a clue who that would be nor do we have any sort of plan in place. |
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Post by upthetown on Feb 14, 2024 15:10:03 GMT 1
Can anybody give me a reason why appointing Worthington until the end of the season would be a good idea, compared to just leaving him as interim? Sure, it would give a bit of clarity, but if we appoint him until the end of the season and we lose the next 3 and decide to move on from him we're effectively sacking a 3rd manager this season, if we keep him as interim manager you can leave him in place until the end of the season if it's going well or move him on at any point if it's not. Personally I'm not in favour of sticking with Worthington either way, I think it's a huge risk given our position. But if that's the way the board are thinking for whatever reasons, then an announcement that we are going to leave Worthington in charge for the next few matches would seem a lot more sensible than 'commiting' to him seeing out the season on the basis of an initial upturn in performances. The gutting thing for me is still getting rid of Warnock. Absolutely sure we’d be comfortably mid table at this point under Warnock. Appointing Moore “from a position of strength” has been a total disaster, and now we will be picking up the pieces and gambling on staying up with no obvious choice to come in as manager. |
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Post by benhomly on Feb 14, 2024 15:11:54 GMT 1
Was the other 7 in a friendly because I don't recall another one and a quick google doesn't throw one up either? Memory playing tricks with me... 1979-80 H 7-1 ? The other one was I was thinking of was actually Crystal Palace under Brucie. Missed that one, was working at Lodges supermarket in Waterloo, missed the 7 against Lincoln United in the cup as was playing in those days and missed the 7 against Brighton coz I was on holiday. At least I saw the 7 against Palace! |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Feb 14, 2024 15:12:15 GMT 1
Happen to be in the same group as mates as worthy from school,local area etc.Pretty sure we’re at a stage where if he agrees to do it it’s him to the end of the season. Yep. It’s been pretty pretty amateur since the sacking of Moore by all accounts. For all their hard work in the January window the manager fiasco really hasn’t been good since the new regime came in. Hopefully this doesn’t ruin Worthy like it did Danny. In what way amaturish tho ? In terms of disagreeing who to pick or what ? |
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 14, 2024 15:12:21 GMT 1
Can anybody give me a reason why appointing Worthington until the end of the season would be a good idea, compared to just leaving him as interim? Sure, it would give a bit of clarity, but if we appoint him until the end of the season and we lose the next 3 and decide to move on from him we're effectively sacking a 3rd manager this season, if we keep him as interim manager you can leave him in place until the end of the season if it's going well or move him on at any point if it's not. Personally I'm not in favour of sticking with Worthington either way, I think it's a huge risk given our position. But if that's the way the board are thinking for whatever reasons, then an announcement that we are going to leave Worthington in charge for the next few matches would seem a lot more sensible than 'commiting' to him seeing out the season on the basis of an initial upturn in performances. Are the two things not the same? |
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Post by mosher on Feb 14, 2024 15:13:33 GMT 1
Memory playing tricks with me... 1979-80 H 7-1 ? The other one was I was thinking of was actually Crystal Palace under Brucie. Missed that one, was working at Lodges supermarket in Waterloo, missed the 7 against Lincoln United in the cup as was playing in those days and missed the 7 against Brighton coz I was on holiday. At least I saw the 7 against Palace! That is some chuffing bad luck  |
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 14, 2024 15:17:05 GMT 1
Yep. It’s been pretty pretty amateur since the sacking of Moore by all accounts. For all their hard work in the January window the manager fiasco really hasn’t been good since the new regime came in. Hopefully this doesn’t ruin Worthy like it did Danny. In what way amaturish tho ? In terms of disagreeing who to pick or what ? Looks to me like people are guessing because nothing is leaking out. |
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 14, 2024 15:17:17 GMT 1
I think that's where my hatred for them stems from. I was there for the 5-1 that got us relegated. Not Port Vale's fault that we put in such a spineless display. Me too, remember a kind of gallows atmosphere about the day, and the pub down the road we’d all been in got set on fire by someone. |
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Post by Uddersfield on Feb 14, 2024 15:17:52 GMT 1
Sticking with Worthy will do me. All in time for Wagner to leave Norwich at the end of the season to take us back to the Prem. Happy Days.
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 14, 2024 15:18:33 GMT 1
Can anybody give me a reason why appointing Worthington until the end of the season would be a good idea, compared to just leaving him as interim? Sure, it would give a bit of clarity, but if we appoint him until the end of the season and we lose the next 3 and decide to move on from him we're effectively sacking a 3rd manager this season, if we keep him as interim manager you can leave him in place until the end of the season if it's going well or move him on at any point if it's not. Personally I'm not in favour of sticking with Worthington either way, I think it's a huge risk given our position. But if that's the way the board are thinking for whatever reasons, then an announcement that we are going to leave Worthington in charge for the next few matches would seem a lot more sensible than 'commiting' to him seeing out the season on the basis of an initial upturn in performances. The gutting thing for me is still getting rid of Warnock. Absolutely sure we’d be comfortably mid table at this point under Warnock. Appointing Moore “from a position of strength” has been a total disaster, and now we will be picking up the pieces and gambling on staying up with no obvious choice to come in as manager. The powers that be thought they were being clever by ditching Warnock. They've made a right tits of it since and overseen a complete shitshow when there was never any need to. |
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Post by SNOWY on Feb 14, 2024 15:19:13 GMT 1
Got to laugh at DATM... Worthy until end of the season, yeah win tonight and get something Saturday then all will probably be fine.
Get gubbed 3-0 and this place will be in complete meltdown.. whys it taken so long, sleepwalking, etc etc.
Safe to say, tonight and possibly Saturday will determine the route we go down with a manager for the rest of the season, we could easily be forced into action as give more breathing space this evening.
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 14, 2024 15:19:20 GMT 1
Sticking with Worthy will do me. All in time for Wagner to leave Norwich at the end of the season to take us back to the Prem. Happy Days. htafcokay is coming for you.... |
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Post by benhomly on Feb 14, 2024 15:21:02 GMT 1
Missed that one, was working at Lodges supermarket in Waterloo, missed the 7 against Lincoln United in the cup as was playing in those days and missed the 7 against Brighton coz I was on holiday. At least I saw the 7 against Palace! That is some chuffing bad luck At least I missed the 10 at City because I was playing then as well. I would have gone as my mates who I still go with today went to that one! |
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Post by mosher on Feb 14, 2024 15:21:25 GMT 1
Sticking with Worthy will do me. All in time for Wagner to leave Norwich at the end of the season to take us back to the Prem. Happy Days. Oh god, please can we put the Wagner shit to bed. He's not done owt remotely comparable to 16-17 since he left. It was a moment in time and would be ruined by him fucking things up second time around. |
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Post by mosher on Feb 14, 2024 15:21:44 GMT 1
Sticking with Worthy will do me. All in time for Wagner to leave Norwich at the end of the season to take us back to the Prem. Happy Days. htafcokay is coming for you.... I beat htafcokay to it |
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Post by mosher on Feb 14, 2024 15:24:33 GMT 1
That is some chuffing bad luck At least I missed the 10 at City because I was playing then as well. I would have gone as my mates who I still go with today went to that one! Swings and roundabouts On that note I was living in Hong Kong at the time so thought I was safe. Cue next day 3 lads in my class who'd rarely shown interest in football turning out to be City fans, they'd just never previously mentioned it  |
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 14, 2024 15:26:30 GMT 1
Sticking with Worthy will do me. All in time for Wagner to leave Norwich at the end of the season to take us back to the Prem. Happy Days. Oh god, please can we put the Wagner shit to bed. He's not done owt remotely comparable to 16-17 since he left. It was a moment in time and would be ruined by him fucking things up second time around. BRING HIM HOME. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Feb 14, 2024 15:28:21 GMT 1
The succession plan should've seen us with a new manager fairly swiftly. The fact that hasn't happened reflects poorly on the leadership and should result in Cartwright being given the bullet - he either didn't have a plan, had one that immediately fell apart (first choice turning us down) or his plan has been overruled by Edwards and/or Nagle. His position is now surely untenable.
Worthy has been left out for the wolves - he's done very well, but it could have got really ugly. Hopefully he gets at least 3 points in the next couple of games, but if the results are poor then he's going to get shredded for a situation of someone else's making.
As others have said, if he's getting the gig for more than the next couple of games then we should get someone experienced in to help him. I assume the B Team manager was brought in for that purpose (he could already be doing it for all I know!).
I also think if Plan A has failed we should go to B and get a pragmatist in until summer that can keep us up. Yes we'll look foolish, but better than being relegated and potentially humiliate a loyal servant and former club captain as we go.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Feb 14, 2024 15:29:35 GMT 1
VLP’s allusion to “amateur” goings on and Ben’s posts a week or so ago about KN now seeing for himself Cartwright’s “incompetence” (or however Ben phrased it) lead me to think that it’s likely true. This all puts pressure on Jon Worthington, probably unfairly. JW has been as clear as he can be that he wants to continue with his job with the academy, so you can’t blame him for seeking assurances that he will be able to return to that role, irrespective of how long he’s in charge of the first team and irrespective of results.
It’s all pointing towards these two home games v Sunderland and Hull being critically important for everyone. Six points will go a long way to pushing Town into a group of clubs fighting to avoid the last relegation spot (I consider Rotherham and Wendies almost gone) and will buy the Board valuable time. Two points or less and panic could set in and JW could be the fall guy, which would be extremely unfair and very bad business for the club.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Feb 14, 2024 15:31:35 GMT 1
Anyone talking about Wagner coming back - move on, seriously.
I love the guy and what he did for us, but it would be idiotic to go back. It's like some weird 40 year old incel pining for a girlfriend he had in Year 11.
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 14, 2024 15:31:43 GMT 1
VLP’s allusion to “amateur” goings on and Ben’s posts a week or so ago about KN now seeing for himself Cartwright’s “incompetence” (or however Ben phrased it) lead me to think that it’s likely true. This all puts pressure on Jon Worthington, probably unfairly. JW has been as clear as he can be that he wants to continue with his job with the academy, so you can’t blame him for seeking assurances that he will be able to return to that role, irrespective of how long he’s in charge of the first team and irrespective of results. It’s all pointing towards these two home games v Sunderland and Hull being critically important for everyone. Six points will go a long way to pushing Town into a group of clubs fighting to avoid the last relegation spot (I consider Rotherham and Wendies almost gone) and will buy the Board valuable time. Two points or less and panic could set in and JW could be the fall guy, which would be extremely unfair and very bad business for the club. Problem is that none of the people listed have any credibility in terms of being 'in the know' no offence intended. even the usual 'in the knows' seem to be out of the loop. likely true would be a big jump |
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Post by midlander on Feb 14, 2024 15:32:04 GMT 1
Well if we do stick with JW i hope we bring an old head in to help him out until the end of this season, Him, Russell and Tonge seem to work well together |
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 14, 2024 15:33:05 GMT 1
VLP’s allusion to “amateur” goings on and Ben’s posts a week or so ago about KN now seeing for himself Cartwright’s “incompetence” (or however Ben phrased it) lead me to think that it’s likely true. This all puts pressure on Jon Worthington, probably unfairly. JW has been as clear as he can be that he wants to continue with his job with the academy, so you can’t blame him for seeking assurances that he will be able to return to that role, irrespective of how long he’s in charge of the first team and irrespective of results. It’s all pointing towards these two home games v Sunderland and Hull being critically important for everyone. Six points will go a long way to pushing Town into a group of clubs fighting to avoid the last relegation spot (I consider Rotherham and Wendies almost gone) and will buy the Board valuable time. Two points or less and panic could set in and JW could be the fall guy, which would be extremely unfair and very bad business for the club. Not sure I understand why Worthy would be the fall guy, he’d just return to his previous role and we’d give it anyone who’d take it till the end of the season wouldn’t we? If we’re relegated under Worthington I also wouldn’t hold him responsible and would be happy for him to go back to his academy role but I bet it’d be tough for him personally and take it’s tole mentally. |
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Post by pterrier on Feb 14, 2024 15:38:18 GMT 1
Still remember it wasn’t long ago since people were saying they’d rather have Moore than Wagner; absolutely mental
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Post by trotsky on Feb 14, 2024 15:38:24 GMT 1
Sticking with Worthy will do me. All in time for Wagner to leave Norwich at the end of the season to take us back to the Prem. Happy Days.
I'd been thinking along similar lines. Previously, I thought it would be a mistake for Wagner to come back but if it is true that our main targets have turned down then I'd rather have him than have to scrape the barrel with third or fourth choice, especially if they would be uninspiring for the fans or worse, for the players. DW would surely be a good option to give us some kind of 'bounce' that assures we stay up.
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