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Post by paulmat on Jan 31, 2024 11:01:58 GMT 1
Duff is an interesting one for me. I thought he was a good fit when linked over the summer. Good record at Cheltenham, a promotion and their highest ever finish. A couple of refereeing decisions away from getting Barnsley promoted last season. Certainly not somebody who has only been successful when they've had a very good squad.
Sacked by Swansea, when they were 18th, 21 points from 19 games, they are now 17th, 33 points from 29 games. So, yes a failure, but they've not shot up the table in his absence, and they are a club who like a very unique style, and also had recruitment issues over the summer.
I can't necessarily quantify why, but he appeals to me more than the likes of Heckingbottom, Parker or Rowett.
It's how much weight you give to his time at Swansea. But then I look at Liam Manning. Heavily linked with us over a period of time, but when we were looking to replace Schofield, he was having a bad run (or had just been sacked) at MK Dons. He went on to do great things at Oxford and is now at Bristol City. I think if we'd ignored that bad spell and got him in instead of Fortheringham we'd be in a much better position now.
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Post by Dan on Jan 31, 2024 11:06:26 GMT 1
Duff is an interesting one for me. I thought he was a good fit when linked over the summer. Good record at Cheltenham, a promotion and their highest ever finish. A couple of refereeing decisions away from getting Barnsley promoted last season. Certainly not somebody who has only been successful when they've had a very good squad. Sacked by Swansea, when they were 18th, 21 points from 19 games, they are now 17th, 33 points from 29 games. So, yes a failure, but they've not shot up the table in his absence, and they are a club who like a very unique style, and also had recruitment issues over the summer. I can't necessarily quantify why, but he appeals to me more than the likes of Heckingbottom, Parker or Rowett. It's how much weight you give to his time at Swansea. But then I look at Liam Manning. Heavily linked with us over a period of time, but when we were looking to replace Schofield, he was having a bad run (or had just been sacked) at MK Dons. He went on to do great things at Oxford and is now at Bristol City. I think if we'd ignored that bad spell and got him in instead of Fortheringham we'd be in a much better position now. I like Duff as a manager, but I think we'd have a Powell situation on our hands where he's hardly ever here. Communted to Barnsley from Cheltenham, and I think he stayed 2 nights a week in Swansea. Think he said at some point his kids are going through GCSE's so he's not uprooting the family.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jan 31, 2024 11:08:45 GMT 1
Duff is an interesting one for me. I thought he was a good fit when linked over the summer. Good record at Cheltenham, a promotion and their highest ever finish. A couple of refereeing decisions away from getting Barnsley promoted last season. Certainly not somebody who has only been successful when they've had a very good squad. Sacked by Swansea, when they were 18th, 21 points from 19 games, they are now 17th, 33 points from 29 games. So, yes a failure, but they've not shot up the table in his absence, and they are a club who like a very unique style, and also had recruitment issues over the summer. I can't necessarily quantify why, but he appeals to me more than the likes of Heckingbottom, Parker or Rowett. It's how much weight you give to his time at Swansea. But then I look at Liam Manning. Heavily linked with us over a period of time, but when we were looking to replace Schofield, he was having a bad run (or had just been sacked) at MK Dons. He went on to do great things at Oxford and is now at Bristol City. I think if we'd ignored that bad spell and got him in instead of Fortheringham we'd be in a much better position now. I like Duff as a manager, but I think we'd have a Powell situation on our hands where he's hardly ever here. Communted to Barnsley from Cheltenham, and I think he stayed 2 nights a week in Swansea. Think he said at some point his kids are going through GCSE's so he's not uprooting the family. In that case unless you can have the "Warnock" effect in doing this, then its a non starter i would say.
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Post by mightyterrier on Jan 31, 2024 11:09:05 GMT 1
If Duff and Parker have been interviewed there’s still 10 others according to Kev. Surely there’d be someone else who stands out ahead of them. They scheduled Heckingbottom, but are still waiting for him to arrive, those god damn train strikes!
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Post by harris on Jan 31, 2024 11:14:11 GMT 1
Duff is an interesting one for me. I thought he was a good fit when linked over the summer. Good record at Cheltenham, a promotion and their highest ever finish. A couple of refereeing decisions away from getting Barnsley promoted last season. Certainly not somebody who has only been successful when they've had a very good squad. Sacked by Swansea, when they were 18th, 21 points from 19 games, they are now 17th, 33 points from 29 games. So, yes a failure, but they've not shot up the table in his absence, and they are a club who like a very unique style, and also had recruitment issues over the summer. I can't necessarily quantify why, but he appeals to me more than the likes of Heckingbottom, Parker or Rowett. It's how much weight you give to his time at Swansea. But then I look at Liam Manning. Heavily linked with us over a period of time, but when we were looking to replace Schofield, he was having a bad run (or had just been sacked) at MK Dons. He went on to do great things at Oxford and is now at Bristol City. I think if we'd ignored that bad spell and got him in instead of Fortheringham we'd be in a much better position now. I like Duff as a manager, but I think we'd have a Powell situation on our hands where he's hardly ever here. Communted to Barnsley from Cheltenham, and I think he stayed 2 nights a week in Swansea. Think he said at some point his kids are going through GCSE's so he's not uprooting the family. Wow, didn’t think being a football manager could be a hybrid role!
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Post by Sio on Jan 31, 2024 11:16:41 GMT 1
Regarding Neil Warnock coming back (I really believe it is very unlikley) I would only say some of the issues why he left are now not an issue due to timing. - Transfers, He would not be involved in any and would be here until the end of the season with a new man in the summer - Wanting to leave, Neil didnt want a full season and wanted / needed a break some would say it is yet agian perfect timing - Its not long until Valantines day. - We would have time to access a correct manager for next season could even get him in early if survival is achecived. - I think survival would be not an issue. - Danny ward would be fit again - Feel good factor would be instant and lift everyone - Kevin would be able to say he listened and wants the best for the club. - the media coverage would be huge as its just so odd and unusual. I dont think for one minute it will happen, but it does make a lot of sense especially if we are not really sure about any of the current candidates. As I write this and read it back, I am thinking sod it he is the best man for the job currently lets make it happen again, "are you with me?" Welcome, Neil Warnock.
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Post by Metch on Jan 31, 2024 11:19:05 GMT 1
A bit depressing that my last post was liked by Maynardblue, I was still hoping the club were working on pulling a rabbit out of the hat but it seems not. Prepare to be underwhelmed.
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Post by irverino on Jan 31, 2024 11:22:45 GMT 1
C'mon Kev, just get Warnock back and be done with it. A Third Coming is obviously extremely unrealistic, but still more realistic perhaps than some of those who actually made it on to the ballot. Championship league certainly sorts out the managers & probably the reason why the names of Warnock, Pearson & Mowbray appear on every vacant job list when available. Saturday teatime could see Town, QPR & SW all on the same games/points (worst case) so lets just wait a little longer before chucking an untried/rookie into the ring.......The other scenario is we are six points clear & Worthy carries us to the next break or end of season, with NW possibly mentoring?
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jan 31, 2024 11:26:17 GMT 1
A bit depressing that my last post was liked by Maynardblue, I was still hoping the club were working on pulling a rabbit out of the hat but it seems not. Prepare to be underwhelmed. To be fair we are interviewing 12 people, some of them are bound to be "out of the box" or in work people , so am thinking it might be intersting to see who comes in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2024 11:30:59 GMT 1
If Duff and Parker have been interviewed there’s still 10 others according to Kev. Surely there’d be someone else who stands out ahead of them. They scheduled Heckingbottom, but are still waiting for him to arrive, those god damn train strikes! Especially if he's coming on the one from Sheffield that stops at the arse end of everywhere!
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Post by dezzly on Jan 31, 2024 11:31:19 GMT 1
Duff is an interesting one for me. I thought he was a good fit when linked over the summer. Good record at Cheltenham, a promotion and their highest ever finish. A couple of refereeing decisions away from getting Barnsley promoted last season. Certainly not somebody who has only been successful when they've had a very good squad. Sacked by Swansea, when they were 18th, 21 points from 19 games, they are now 17th, 33 points from 29 games. So, yes a failure, but they've not shot up the table in his absence, and they are a club who like a very unique style, and also had recruitment issues over the summer. I can't necessarily quantify why, but he appeals to me more than the likes of Heckingbottom, Parker or Rowett. It's how much weight you give to his time at Swansea. But then I look at Liam Manning. Heavily linked with us over a period of time, but when we were looking to replace Schofield, he was having a bad run (or had just been sacked) at MK Dons. He went on to do great things at Oxford and is now at Bristol City. I think if we'd ignored that bad spell and got him in instead of Fortheringham we'd be in a much better position now. I depends for me if they truly believe in the “attack minded football” quote from the Moore sacking statement. None of heckingbottom,Parker,eustace,duff or rowett would be considered to be attacking football managers,though I read an article about heckingbottom and his time at sheff u in the champ and they were,if not free flowing,an attacking team.Was that down the players available,largely the answer is probably yes. With the squad currently as it is it unlikely anyone can come in and play some sort of swashbuckling passing attacking football creating 15-20 chances a game.However there are ways to get this side to be a decent attacking unit and I think most of the managers would try to implement that.Duff is known for his sides been excellent off the ball,not just in terms of how they defend but pressing too.It’s no wonder he didn’t do so well at Swansea they want this passing style of football,have the players to do so and he was never the right fit. I think Darren was too obsessed with having “control” in a game,we rarely had it but you could tell that’s what he was aiming for,to control the game for the majority and with that we would limit the opposition and make any dominance count.He was too risk averse. A pressing and counter attacking style would seem to be probably the best way for this current squad,even with the new additions.A duff would probably suit that as would I think a heckingbottom,I don’t know how rowett sets up but I imagine he’s more of someone who will look at what he’s got and play to their strengths.
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Post by ram on Jan 31, 2024 12:10:35 GMT 1
Broken record or not,I thought Moore was the wrong choice {proven correct} and I have no faith in those doing the interviews to do the job required either.How on earth can Kevin be in the USA when this process is taking place? surely he needs the final say.I can see us ending up with a "long term" dud once more.
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Post by King Neil on Jan 31, 2024 12:12:32 GMT 1
King Neil will be back as caretaker manager sometime today imo
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 31, 2024 12:12:40 GMT 1
Broken record or not,I thought Moore was the wrong choice {proven correct} and I have no faith in those doing the interviews to do the job required either.How on earth can Kevin be in the USA when this process is taking place? surely he needs the final say.I can see us ending up with a "long term" dud once more. Kev can be in the USA because it’s 2024 and the internet exists.
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Post by paulmat on Jan 31, 2024 12:18:35 GMT 1
Duff is an interesting one for me. I thought he was a good fit when linked over the summer. Good record at Cheltenham, a promotion and their highest ever finish. A couple of refereeing decisions away from getting Barnsley promoted last season. Certainly not somebody who has only been successful when they've had a very good squad. Sacked by Swansea, when they were 18th, 21 points from 19 games, they are now 17th, 33 points from 29 games. So, yes a failure, but they've not shot up the table in his absence, and they are a club who like a very unique style, and also had recruitment issues over the summer. I can't necessarily quantify why, but he appeals to me more than the likes of Heckingbottom, Parker or Rowett. It's how much weight you give to his time at Swansea. But then I look at Liam Manning. Heavily linked with us over a period of time, but when we were looking to replace Schofield, he was having a bad run (or had just been sacked) at MK Dons. He went on to do great things at Oxford and is now at Bristol City. I think if we'd ignored that bad spell and got him in instead of Fortheringham we'd be in a much better position now. I depends for me if they truly believe in the “attack minded football” quote from the Moore sacking statement. None of heckingbottom,Parker,eustace,duff or rowett would be considered to be attacking football managers,though I read an article about heckingbottom and his time at sheff u in the champ and they were,if not free flowing,an attacking team.Was that down the players available,largely the answer is probably yes. With the squad currently as it is it unlikely anyone can come in and play some sort of swashbuckling passing attacking football creating 15-20 chances a game.However there are ways to get this side to be a decent attacking unit and I think most of the managers would try to implement that.Duff is known for his sides been excellent off the ball,not just in terms of how they defend but pressing too.It’s no wonder he didn’t do so well at Swansea they want this passing style of football,have the players to do so and he was never the right fit. I think Darren was too obsessed with having “control” in a game,we rarely had it but you could tell that’s what he was aiming for,to control the game for the majority and with that we would limit the opposition and make any dominance count.He was too risk averse. A pressing and counter attacking style would seem to be probably the best way for this current squad,even with the new additions.A duff would probably suit that as would I think a heckingbottom,I don’t know how rowett sets up but I imagine he’s more of someone who will look at what he’s got and play to their strengths. Yeah, style is an interesting one, are there many all out attacking managers anymore? Seems to be more about whether you're possession based or not, but possession doesn't necessarily mean attacking, and I don't think Town fans necessarily love possession based football. I think they key thing is intensity, that was what got the fans onside with Wagner. Found the below written about Duff when he got the Swansea job (from this article - www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/lowdown-barnsleys-michael-duff-fundamental-27147026)Personally I think that style would suit Town fans. Another potential comparison to the Duff scenario is Rob Edwards. He became available at almost the same time we appointed Fotheringham. Would Town fans have took him then after success with Forest Green but an early sacking after 3 wins from 11 at Watford? It's worked out pretty well for Luton.
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Post by ram on Jan 31, 2024 12:20:27 GMT 1
Broken record or not,I thought Moore was the wrong choice {proven correct} and I have no faith in those doing the interviews to do the job required either.How on earth can Kevin be in the USA when this process is taking place? surely he needs the final say.I can see us ending up with a "long term" dud once more. Kev can be in the USA because it’s 2024 and the internet exists. I know that Sunshine,I am on it now,You can,t do a proper face to face over the internet.
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 31, 2024 12:24:02 GMT 1
Kev can be in the USA because it’s 2024 and the internet exists. I know that Sunshine,I am on it now,You can,t do a proper face to face over the internet. If you say so sunshine.
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Post by detox on Jan 31, 2024 12:24:22 GMT 1
A bit depressing that my last post was liked by Maynardblue, I was still hoping the club were working on pulling a rabbit out of the hat but it seems not. Prepare to be underwhelmed. Maybe the comment about smarter back room staff, rather than Duff and Duffer..?
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 31, 2024 12:28:15 GMT 1
I depends for me if they truly believe in the “attack minded football” quote from the Moore sacking statement. None of heckingbottom,Parker,eustace,duff or rowett would be considered to be attacking football managers,though I read an article about heckingbottom and his time at sheff u in the champ and they were,if not free flowing,an attacking team.Was that down the players available,largely the answer is probably yes. With the squad currently as it is it unlikely anyone can come in and play some sort of swashbuckling passing attacking football creating 15-20 chances a game.However there are ways to get this side to be a decent attacking unit and I think most of the managers would try to implement that.Duff is known for his sides been excellent off the ball,not just in terms of how they defend but pressing too.It’s no wonder he didn’t do so well at Swansea they want this passing style of football,have the players to do so and he was never the right fit. I think Darren was too obsessed with having “control” in a game,we rarely had it but you could tell that’s what he was aiming for,to control the game for the majority and with that we would limit the opposition and make any dominance count.He was too risk averse. A pressing and counter attacking style would seem to be probably the best way for this current squad,even with the new additions.A duff would probably suit that as would I think a heckingbottom,I don’t know how rowett sets up but I imagine he’s more of someone who will look at what he’s got and play to their strengths. Yeah, style is an interesting one, are there many all out attacking managers anymore? Seems to be more about whether you're possession based or not, but possession doesn't necessarily mean attacking, and I don't think Town fans necessarily love possession based football. I think they key thing is intensity, that was what got the fans onside with Wagner.Found the below written about Duff when he got the Swansea job (from this article - www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/lowdown-barnsleys-michael-duff-fundamental-27147026)Personally I think that style would suit Town fans. Another potential comparison to the Duff scenario is Rob Edwards. He became available at almost the same time we appointed Fotheringham. Would Town fans have took him then after success with Forest Green but an early sacking after 3 wins from 11 at Watford? It's worked out pretty well for Luton. Absolutely. We regularly had 60+ % possession under Wagner but thats not what got the fans to buy in, it was the high press and the intensity with which it was usually committed.
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Post by davethesprout on Jan 31, 2024 12:28:41 GMT 1
Duff is an interesting one for me. I thought he was a good fit when linked over the summer. Good record at Cheltenham, a promotion and their highest ever finish. A couple of refereeing decisions away from getting Barnsley promoted last season. Certainly not somebody who has only been successful when they've had a very good squad. Sacked by Swansea, when they were 18th, 21 points from 19 games, they are now 17th, 33 points from 29 games. So, yes a failure, but they've not shot up the table in his absence, and they are a club who like a very unique style, and also had recruitment issues over the summer. I can't necessarily quantify why, but he appeals to me more than the likes of Heckingbottom, Parker or Rowett. It's how much weight you give to his time at Swansea. But then I look at Liam Manning. Heavily linked with us over a period of time, but when we were looking to replace Schofield, he was having a bad run (or had just been sacked) at MK Dons. He went on to do great things at Oxford and is now at Bristol City. I think if we'd ignored that bad spell and got him in instead of Fortheringham we'd be in a much better position now.
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Post by mightyterrier on Jan 31, 2024 12:32:15 GMT 1
Kev can be in the USA because it’s 2024 and the internet exists. I know that Sunshine,I am on it now,You can,t do a proper face to face over the internet. I know what you mean, face to face would always be preferred, but there will be representatives doing that bit, I guess Kevin would join from the US. Hoping we get our first choice whoever that may be!
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Post by dezzly on Jan 31, 2024 12:32:51 GMT 1
I depends for me if they truly believe in the “attack minded football” quote from the Moore sacking statement. None of heckingbottom,Parker,eustace,duff or rowett would be considered to be attacking football managers,though I read an article about heckingbottom and his time at sheff u in the champ and they were,if not free flowing,an attacking team.Was that down the players available,largely the answer is probably yes. With the squad currently as it is it unlikely anyone can come in and play some sort of swashbuckling passing attacking football creating 15-20 chances a game.However there are ways to get this side to be a decent attacking unit and I think most of the managers would try to implement that.Duff is known for his sides been excellent off the ball,not just in terms of how they defend but pressing too.It’s no wonder he didn’t do so well at Swansea they want this passing style of football,have the players to do so and he was never the right fit. I think Darren was too obsessed with having “control” in a game,we rarely had it but you could tell that’s what he was aiming for,to control the game for the majority and with that we would limit the opposition and make any dominance count.He was too risk averse. A pressing and counter attacking style would seem to be probably the best way for this current squad,even with the new additions.A duff would probably suit that as would I think a heckingbottom,I don’t know how rowett sets up but I imagine he’s more of someone who will look at what he’s got and play to their strengths. Yeah, style is an interesting one, are there many all out attacking managers anymore? Seems to be more about whether you're possession based or not, but possession doesn't necessarily mean attacking, and I don't think Town fans necessarily love possession based football. I think they key thing is intensity, that was what got the fans onside with Wagner. Found the below written about Duff when he got the Swansea job (from this article - www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/lowdown-barnsleys-michael-duff-fundamental-27147026)Personally I think that style would suit Town fans. Another potential comparison to the Duff scenario is Rob Edwards. He became available at almost the same time we appointed Fotheringham. Would Town fans have took him then after success with Forest Green but an early sacking after 3 wins from 11 at Watford? It's worked out pretty well for Luton. Absolute nail on the head with the intensity.Town fans will overlook possession if we get after teams.And we are more setup to do that than have possession anyway.It’s about winning the ball back,not letting teams have time or dictate and force us back and when we get it just generally been better with it.Quicker passing and break quickly with bodies getting forward.Think that’s the way to go for us.
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Post by davethesprout on Jan 31, 2024 12:34:01 GMT 1
Anybody wanting Duff as manager , should look @ why Duff was sacked @ Swansea bbc 9th december .He lost the fans , or they never took to him , lost the players , then lost the Chairmen , who hired him , even the bbc wales were against him .Who does that remind you of ?
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jan 31, 2024 12:39:21 GMT 1
Last summer I’d have wanted Michael Duff at Town. I’ve just asked an ex-work mate who is a Swansea fan and well connected to the club for inside info on his time there.
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Post by midlander on Jan 31, 2024 12:40:36 GMT 1
Anybody wanting Duff as manager , should look @ why Duff was sacked @ Swansea bbc 9th december .He lost the fans , or they never took to him , lost the players , then lost the Chairmen , who hired him , even the bbc wales were against him .Who does that remind you of ? and then for balance, should look at what Barnsley and Cheltenham fans and players thought of him... One short-term failure where his defined style is at odds with the club's ethos, shouldn't be a stick to beat him with. He really didn't fit Swansea and it was a very strange appointment from the outset.
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Post by irverino on Jan 31, 2024 12:43:17 GMT 1
I know that Sunshine,I am on it now,You can,t do a proper face to face over the internet. If you say so sunshine. Alright Liam & Noel break it up, Kevs got some tough decision making to do over the coming weeks, March 16th Town away at Rotherham or Sac Republic away at Las Vegas......Tough one.
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Post by runner76 on Jan 31, 2024 12:46:03 GMT 1
King Neil will be back as caretaker manager sometime today imo Will he bollocks
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Post by crux on Jan 31, 2024 12:54:19 GMT 1
Alright Liam & Noel break it up, Kevs got some tough decision making to do over the coming weeks, March 16th Town away at Rotherham or Sac Republic away at Las Vegas......Tough one. Been to both Vegas & Rotherham/New York and I'd definitely pick Vegas at this time of year or any time of year really 🤣
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Post by prepare on Jan 31, 2024 12:59:54 GMT 1
Scott Parker has a decent record of promotion out of this league. Town fans make me laugh how they can pick fault with literally every manager! That Fulham side was class, yes they had better players but that's like saying Pep is only a good manager because he has better players. correct and you shoudnt laugh you should cry because they all think they know more about the game than the candidates themselves??!!
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Post by Jimuano on Jan 31, 2024 13:02:48 GMT 1
Yeah, style is an interesting one, are there many all out attacking managers anymore? Seems to be more about whether you're possession based or not, but possession doesn't necessarily mean attacking, and I don't think Town fans necessarily love possession based football. I think they key thing is intensity, that was what got the fans onside with Wagner.Found the below written about Duff when he got the Swansea job (from this article - www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/lowdown-barnsleys-michael-duff-fundamental-27147026)Personally I think that style would suit Town fans. Another potential comparison to the Duff scenario is Rob Edwards. He became available at almost the same time we appointed Fotheringham. Would Town fans have took him then after success with Forest Green but an early sacking after 3 wins from 11 at Watford? It's worked out pretty well for Luton. Absolutely. We regularly had 60+ % possession under Wagner but thats not what got the fans to buy in, it was the high press and the intensity with which it was usually committed. It was the passing back to our goalkeeper from our own corners that got me hooked
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