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Post by saintlyterrier on Jan 31, 2024 13:05:27 GMT 1
King Neil will be back as caretaker manager sometime today imo No!No! Dreadful prospect. He's had his time. Please move on.
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Post by Sio on Jan 31, 2024 13:07:14 GMT 1
Scott Parker has a decent record of promotion out of this league. Town fans make me laugh how they can pick fault with literally every manager! That Fulham side was class, yes they had better players but that's like saying Pep is only a good manager because he has better players. correct and you shoudnt laugh you should cry because they all think they know more about the game than the candidates themselves??!! I think it's more that Parker's only successful periods as a manager were with exceptional squads for the division - anything outside of that, he has failed terribly. Not fair to say quite the same for Darren Moore, but there is some similarity there in terms of what we'll be expecting from someone compared to what they have proved they are capable of. History has proven that we need to play it clever. Stuart Webber summed us up before employing Wagner in that we were devoid of character or identity, and that we needed to do it a different way, and unfortunately that hasn't changed despite two years in the Premier League.
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Jan 31, 2024 13:10:10 GMT 1
[quote author=" itkterrier" timestamp="1706694831" source="/post/3287429/thread" They scheduled Heckingbottom, but are still waiting for him to arrive, those god damn train strikes! [/quote] 😂😂😂 Travelling down from Lossiemouth tomorrow, 1 Feb, for the game on Saturday by train. Looking at the strike action I SHOULD be OK as ScotRail( Elgin-Aberdeen) & LNER (Aberdeen-York) aren't on strike tomorrow. Hopefully Northern & Trans Pennine have got their trains sort out for the York- Huddersfield leg in the afternoon🤞 Travelling back up Sunday which thankfully is a none strike day.
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Post by atowninessex on Jan 31, 2024 13:14:17 GMT 1
what I don't get is how savvy business people once they get involved in football forget about all the things that have made them successful, surely they new it was a very good possibility that a new manager would be needed ? so lets get rid and have a novice in charge of a vital game and then if we get some one in their first game is away at high flying Southampton - hiding to nothing but not sure we have many free hits left this season !
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Post by dugnet on Jan 31, 2024 13:17:08 GMT 1
A bit depressing that my last post was liked by Maynardblue, I was still hoping the club were working on pulling a rabbit out of the hat but it seems not. Prepare to be underwhelmed. This goes back to my point about what the overall plan is and what Mr Nagle is looking to achieve. The appointment of DM was peculiar as it didn't immediately strike me as being particularly forward thinking or dynamic. The question is who is shaping the plan? Mr Nagle or is this delegated to Edwards and Cartwright? I know I keep referring to plans and criticising what I think are little more than, well meaning, but positive soundbites but a visible plan is important. The next long term appointment needs to underpin an overall strategy and plan. The immediate challenge is to stay in this league (again!!!!). As I posted earlier I am not sure that this aim and the long term strategy are currently compatible. As relegation would surely impact the long term plan, in every sense (squad, financial, credibility etc...), then avoiding that must be the immediate priority. I really hope that those in charge are no longer deluded to the challenge (as I think they were last summer in thinking there was enough squad quality and depth to be ok in the Championship) and think that avoiding the drop is a relatively easy challenge. It would be incredibly foolish to do so. I am coming round to the opinion,and given relations between Mr Nagle and NW are apparently ok (or so they say...) that the short term action is surely to ask NW to return (if he is offered a bonus based on success then so be it) and allow the club some evaluation time. That can be used to do a lessons learned so far, review what has gone well and what not so well and re-establish the plan for the future. I know it is probably unrealistic to expect NW to return, or for him to want to (return), but given where we are it would be the most sensible course of action. I would be more than hopeful that NW would find a way to guide us to safety. In the event of that not happening another short term solution wouldn't be a bad idea, although who that might be I don't know. What I am advocating allows Mr Nagle, and others to really take stock and start again. As it stands, for all the good intentions, no one can tell me that we are running to a coherent plan. It would be better to admit that and take a pragmatic view of our current predicament. Do I think any of the above will happen? Probably not. When we get to May, and Mr Nagle is hoping to sell season cards (I don't see any opportunity to market them in March at the moment) what happens between then and now will be massively important. It is fascinating in one sense but, purely as a long suffering fan, it is potentially incredibly frustrating too.
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 31, 2024 13:23:12 GMT 1
Absolutely. We regularly had 60+ % possession under Wagner but thats not what got the fans to buy in, it was the high press and the intensity with which it was usually committed. It was the passing back to our goalkeeper from our own corners that got me hooked Tbf that was better than when we regularly conceded form our own corners 😂
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Post by irverino on Jan 31, 2024 13:26:15 GMT 1
Alright Liam & Noel break it up, Kevs got some tough decision making to do over the coming weeks, March 16th Town away at Rotherham or Sac Republic away at Las Vegas......Tough one. Been to both Vegas & Rotherham/New York and I'd definitely pick Vegas at this time of year or any time of year really 🤣 Oops bit of bad research, its Miami FC away on 16/3, what's Florida like this time of year? Las Vegas away is on September 21st......Town could be at Everton or Harrogate Town on that day?
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 31, 2024 13:28:56 GMT 1
Been to both Vegas & Rotherham/New York and I'd definitely pick Vegas at this time of year or any time of year really 🤣 Oops bit of bad research, its Miami FC away on 16/3, what's Florida like this time of year? Las Vegas away is on September 21st......Town could be at Everton or Harrogate Town on that day? I wonder how many Sac will take to Miami 😁
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Post by boooothy on Jan 31, 2024 13:45:44 GMT 1
If Birmingham, Blackburn, Rotherham, Sheffield Wednesday, QPR, Stoke, appointed any of the names on this list would you think that manager has been lucky to land that job?
If Heckingbottom had been named at Plymouth rather than Ian Foster would they have just settled for a boring/safe appointment?
Since the Premier League i’ve got more and more annoyed by fans who think we are something we are not. Believing owners should throw millions at us cause we’re massive and managers/players are falling over themselves wanting to come to the mighty Huddersfield Town.
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Post by prepare on Jan 31, 2024 13:54:39 GMT 1
If Birmingham, Blackburn, Rotherham, Sheffield Wednesday, QPR, Stoke, appointed any of the names on this list would you think that manager has been lucky to land that job? If Heckingbottom had been named at Plymouth rather than Ian Foster would they have just settled for a boring/safe appointment? Since the Premier League i’ve got more and more annoyed by fans who think we are something we are not. Believing owners should throw millions at us cause we’re massive and managers/players are falling over themselves wanting to come to the mighty Huddersfield Town. what a practical post
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Jan 31, 2024 13:56:28 GMT 1
If Birmingham, Blackburn, Rotherham, Sheffield Wednesday, QPR, Stoke, appointed any of the names on this list would you think that manager has been lucky to land that job? If Heckingbottom had been named at Plymouth rather than Ian Foster would they have just settled for a boring/safe appointment? Since the Premier League i’ve got more and more annoyed by fans who think we are something we are not. Believing owners should throw millions at us cause we’re massive and managers/players are falling over themselves wanting to come to the mighty Huddersfield Town. You think that the likes of Moore who was on the face of it boring/safe came cheap? He wanted top 6 Championship money at Sheffield Wednesday and that's why they moved him on. Nobody is expecting a big name like Cooper whether they want him or not its not affordable. What they want us Town to show some imagination in their approach just like they did with Wagner and Corberan who wouldn't have cost top dollar but brought a fresh approach that the players and fans could get on board with. Wagner a better example of that admittedly.
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Post by kyg on Jan 31, 2024 14:17:47 GMT 1
If Birmingham, Blackburn, Rotherham, Sheffield Wednesday, QPR, Stoke, appointed any of the names on this list would you think that manager has been lucky to land that job? If Heckingbottom had been named at Plymouth rather than Ian Foster would they have just settled for a boring/safe appointment? Since the Premier League i’ve got more and more annoyed by fans who think we are something we are not. Believing owners should throw millions at us cause we’re massive and managers/players are falling over themselves wanting to come to the mighty Huddersfield Town. You think that the likes of Moore who was on the face of it boring/safe came cheap? He wanted top 6 Championship money at Sheffield Wednesday and that's why they moved him on. Nobody is expecting a big name like Cooper whether they want him or not it’s not affordable. What they want us Town to show some imagination in their approach just like they did with Wagner and Corberan who wouldn't have cost top dollar but brought a fresh approach that the players and fans could get on board with. Wagner a better example of that admittedly. Thats easier said than done though isn’t it to be fair. Nobody knew Wagner at the time, he could just as easily been an absolute dud or an inspired appointment. Luckily it turned out to be the second. At the time though nobody was saying it was an inspired choice even though, everyone was looking at each other hoping it would work out. They need someone who can come in, steady the ship, get the players performing to their best week in and week out so we can get away from the relegation zone and then progress significantly next year. There are no guarantees in football but I am not sure it is a good time for a complete shot in the dark.
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Post by Sio on Jan 31, 2024 14:19:00 GMT 1
If Birmingham, Blackburn, Rotherham, Sheffield Wednesday, QPR, Stoke, appointed any of the names on this list would you think that manager has been lucky to land that job? If Heckingbottom had been named at Plymouth rather than Ian Foster would they have just settled for a boring/safe appointment? Since the Premier League i’ve got more and more annoyed by fans who think we are something we are not. Believing owners should throw millions at us cause we’re massive and managers/players are falling over themselves wanting to come to the mighty Huddersfield Town. I find this a really odd take. If anything, a lot of these fans you're referencing are arguing that we shouldn't go for the easy, likely more expensive option. You think Heckingbottom is coming here on the cheap? Whereas a lesser known, lower paid manager from Europe or lower divisions in the UK might be tempted and might bring some new ideas - something we're in desperate need of. By no means am I personally suggesting that a Heckingbottom or Parker will outright fail, but the club really does need galvanising so I think it's relevant right now that a merry-go-round might not be the right fit for us at this time. It has nothing to do with thinking we're bigger. Had we brought in a Parker or whoever when we had just dropped from the Prem, rather than the Cowleys, I imagine many would have said that's a sensible move. Right now, we need a lift, some energy, and something to bring the club together. Does a robotic Scott Parker do that? Probably not. But maybe he'd show us that he's capable of doing what he hasn't done before: succeeding with a weak squad. Who knows!
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Post by Detective Boyle on Jan 31, 2024 14:20:50 GMT 1
Perplexed why people wouldn’t want NW back tbh. Both sides know that it would definitely be until the summer, So town can confirm our league status and take a long time to look at it and make the right decision. Half a year, Warnock. Half a year
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Post by royrace on Jan 31, 2024 14:25:38 GMT 1
If Birmingham, Blackburn, Rotherham, Sheffield Wednesday, QPR, Stoke, appointed any of the names on this list would you think that manager has been lucky to land that job? If Heckingbottom had been named at Plymouth rather than Ian Foster would they have just settled for a boring/safe appointment? Since the Premier League i’ve got more and more annoyed by fans who think we are something we are not. Believing owners should throw millions at us cause we’re massive and managers/players are falling over themselves wanting to come to the mighty Huddersfield Town. I think you'll find managers are falling over themselves to manage Huddersfield town! At this point in time we're a championship club with an ambitious owner who has just put his money where his mouth is. We should be making an ambitious appointment and the interest in the job will be huge. There are way more managers than clubs, basic supply and demand and they all know they very quickly go out of fashion if not working. The obvious answer is bring back Neil and Ronnie, secure championship status and take time picking the guy to take us to the next level. I don't think it's possible to make a hire that ticks both boxes of guaranteed survival and progression playing attractive football. If I were Kev my priority would be staying in the league above everything else. Then build from there. And this time make sure the remit for the new manager is crystal clear for everyone involved. That would require more than one man making the decision and should do based on the last wholly inappropriate choice.
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Jan 31, 2024 14:25:44 GMT 1
Perplexed why people wouldn’t want NW back tbh. Both sides know that it would definitely be until the summer, So town can confirm our league status and take a long time to look at it and make the right decision. Half a year, Warnock. Half a year Its the absolute correct move at this point, especially since we are still paying him. As close to guaranteeing safety as you can get and gives KN 4/5 months to find his successor rather than a rushed decision. Whether it happens or not who knows but it would make so much sense.
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Post by eric on Jan 31, 2024 14:28:26 GMT 1
Perplexed why people wouldn’t want NW back tbh. Both sides know that it would definitely be until the summer, So town can confirm our league status and take a long time to look at it and make the right decision. Half a year, Warnock. Half a year It's just kicking the can down the road. Appoint a permanent manager and let them work with the squad.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Jan 31, 2024 14:29:21 GMT 1
Perplexed why people wouldn’t want NW back tbh. Both sides know that it would definitely be until the summer, So town can confirm our league status and take a long time to look at it and make the right decision. Half a year, Warnock. Half a year Warnock would say fuck off
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Jan 31, 2024 14:34:09 GMT 1
Perplexed why people wouldn’t want NW back tbh. Both sides know that it would definitely be until the summer, So town can confirm our league status and take a long time to look at it and make the right decision. Half a year, Warnock. Half a year Warnock would say fuck off Why would he? It feeds his ego to a new level, he gets to work with a better squad than he had before and it works great for both sides.
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Post by Amigo on Jan 31, 2024 14:35:14 GMT 1
A bit depressing that my last post was liked by Maynardblue, I was still hoping the club were working on pulling a rabbit out of the hat but it seems not. Prepare to be underwhelmed. This goes back to my point about what the overall plan is and what Mr Nagle is looking to achieve. The appointment of DM was peculiar as it didn't immediately strike me as being particularly forward thinking or dynamic. The question is who is shaping the plan? Mr Nagle or is this delegated to Edwards and Cartwright? I know I keep referring to plans and criticising what I think are little more than, well meaning, but positive soundbites but a visible plan is important. The next long term appointment needs to underpin an overall strategy and plan. The immediate challenge is to stay in this league (again!!!!). As I posted earlier I am not sure that this aim and the long term strategy are currently compatible. As relegation would surely impact the long term plan, in every sense (squad, financial, credibility etc...), then avoiding that must be the immediate priority. I really hope that those in charge are no longer deluded to the challenge (as I think they were last summer in thinking there was enough squad quality and depth to be ok in the Championship) and think that avoiding the drop is a relatively easy challenge. It would be incredibly foolish to do so. I am coming round to the opinion,and given relations between Mr Nagle and NW are apparently ok (or so they say...) that the short term action is surely to ask NW to return (if he is offered a bonus based on success then so be it) and allow the club some evaluation time. That can be used to do a lessons learned so far, review what has gone well and what not so well and re-establish the plan for the future. I know it is probably unrealistic to expect NW to return, or for him to want to (return), but given where we are it would be the most sensible course of action. I would be more than hopeful that NW would find a way to guide us to safety. In the event of that not happening another short term solution wouldn't be a bad idea, although who that might be I don't know. What I am advocating allows Mr Nagle, and others to really take stock and start again. As it stands, for all the good intentions, no one can tell me that we are running to a coherent plan. It would be better to admit that and take a pragmatic view of our current predicament. Do I think any of the above will happen? Probably not. When we get to May, and Mr Nagle is hoping to sell season cards (I don't see any opportunity to market them in March at the moment) what happens between then and now will be massively important. It is fascinating in one sense but, purely as a long suffering fan, it is potentially incredibly frustrating too. I actually think we were a more exciting proposition for Warnock last season because being blunt, we were fucked. This season we're not. We're not in a great position but we're not as bad as we were and him "saving us" this season wouldn't be such a big deal, rightly or wrongly I even think Moore would probably have kept us up but it was a risk. Getting Warnock back again would be a backward step in my opinion and we should be looking at someone new. Warnock oversaw preseason and the summer window and neither were great. I really don't think it would take that much to get us getting results and moving up the league a bit, we've had some shocking team selections recently and still picked up points now and again, someone that could put players in their best positions and a formation to suit the players rather than forcing players to match a formation and we'd get enough results.
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Post by Tiro on Jan 31, 2024 14:36:39 GMT 1
I'm perplexed that some still feel need the debate Warnock.
He might be off to Aberdeen anyway. He's always wanted a crack in the SPL. They'll love him up there. Hopefully put it to bed.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jan 31, 2024 14:36:47 GMT 1
Didnt bring in Edwards that was down to RR. You might want to give this months signings some time to prove themselves, so far all 4 I think will add to the squad in vital areas. Sorry but I think he's had Kevin's pants down. Two million to Watford for someone they didn't want? Laughing all the way to their bank. Jesus wept give the lad a chance
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Post by Tiro on Jan 31, 2024 14:39:03 GMT 1
Sorry but I think he's had Kevin's pants down. Two million to Watford for someone they didn't want? Laughing all the way to their bank. Jesus wept give the lad a chance Not even £2m. It's £1.4m. And that's IF he reaches certain milestones. Which, if does, it won't like a silly fee and we'll be happy anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2024 14:57:35 GMT 1
Warnock would say fuck off Why would he? It feeds his ego to a new level, he gets to work with a better squad than he had before and it works great for both sides. His level of arrogance would be off the scale. His prediction regarding his replacement come true and the club having to ask him back again. We would end up with 2 new strikers on the bench and a, miraculously, fit again Danny Ward scoring one more goal the rest of the season. We must move forward, not backwards. We need a better long term appointment.
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Jan 31, 2024 15:00:19 GMT 1
Why would he? It feeds his ego to a new level, he gets to work with a better squad than he had before and it works great for both sides. His level of arrogance would be off the scale. His prediction regarding his replacement come true and the club having to ask him back again. We would end up with 2 new strikers on the bench and a, miraculously, fit again Danny Ward scoring one more goal the rest of the season. We must move forward, not backwards. We need a better long term appointment. We do need a better long term appointment yes, but we also need to confirm our championship status otherwise we will end back in league one with the Cowleys. Get Warnock until May and find the long term replacement in the meantime. Don't rush into appointing one of the merry go round managers on a 2/3 year deal for the sake of it, also don't chuck somebody with little experience in at the deep end.
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Post by paulmat on Jan 31, 2024 15:04:05 GMT 1
Perplexed why people wouldn’t want NW back tbh. Both sides know that it would definitely be until the summer, So town can confirm our league status and take a long time to look at it and make the right decision. Half a year, Warnock. Half a year It's just kicking the can down the road. Appoint a permanent manager and let them work with the squad. Kicking the can down the road, or given ourselves more time to make the right appointment? It's irrelevant, because I don't think Warnock will come back and I don't think the club want him to come back, but it would make a load of sense to me if it was a possibility. It's as close as you can get to a guarantee of survival at this stage of the season in the championship, it would give the club 3 or 4 months to do a thorough search of exactly what is out there rather than just looking at the usual suspects, and most importantly, it would allow you to take a little bit of a gamble (like we did with Wagner and Corberan), while knowing that if they turn out to be a Siewert or Fotheringham there would be time to correct the mistake. The problem we've got now, is that if we gamble and appoint somebody who doesn't work out we're as good as down, so the temptation is to play it safer. (Also if we appoint Warnock again we've only had 5 managers in the last 2 years rather than 6 ) I think the manager who gives us the best chance of staying up, and the manager who gives us the best long term future aren't necessarily the same manager, which makes the decision difficult.
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Post by boooothy on Jan 31, 2024 15:17:02 GMT 1
If Birmingham, Blackburn, Rotherham, Sheffield Wednesday, QPR, Stoke, appointed any of the names on this list would you think that manager has been lucky to land that job? If Heckingbottom had been named at Plymouth rather than Ian Foster would they have just settled for a boring/safe appointment? Since the Premier League i’ve got more and more annoyed by fans who think we are something we are not. Believing owners should throw millions at us cause we’re massive and managers/players are falling over themselves wanting to come to the mighty Huddersfield Town. I think you'll find managers are falling over themselves to manage Huddersfield town! At this point in time we're a championship club with an ambitious owner who has just put his money where his mouth is. We should be making an ambitious appointment and the interest in the job will be huge. There are way more managers than clubs, basic supply and demand and they all know they very quickly go out of fashion if not working. The obvious answer is bring back Neil and Ronnie, secure championship status and take time picking the guy to take us to the next level. I don't think it's possible to make a hire that ticks both boxes of guaranteed survival and progression playing attractive football. If I were Kev my priority would be staying in the league above everything else. Then build from there. And this time make sure the remit for the new manager is crystal clear for everyone involved. That would require more than one man making the decision and should do based on the last wholly inappropriate choice. You are correct, we are a much more attractive proposition than we have been for a long time. I can see a lot of upsides to managing us. Good point.
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Post by Uddersfield on Jan 31, 2024 15:25:33 GMT 1
I still think it'll be Heckingbottom - However, looking at the comments of wanting to build and all this '3 year plan' etc then I would be attempting to contact Pete Wild. Seems like someone who gets on with all his players and builds a good rapport with the fan base. Has built a great foundation at Barrow and are looking more competitive every season.
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Post by royrace on Jan 31, 2024 15:29:29 GMT 1
Warnock would say fuck off Why would he? It feeds his ego to a new level, he gets to work with a better squad than he had before and it works great for both sides. I think he'd be eyeing a top half finish, maybe sneak into playoffs on the final day
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jan 31, 2024 15:44:07 GMT 1
Personally I would have Warnock and Rocket back in a flash till the end of the season. They got a tune out of this squad before,the players like and respect them and out of everyone mentioned they would be the ones most likely to keep us up, which I assume is the top priority for everyone from the owner down. Assuming we stayed up under Warnock then its gives time to look around for a long term replacement from a position of strength not rushing in someone now who does not have much time to turn things round and win over the players. As is it at the moment its looking like we are running round desperately trying to shoehorn in someone who can turn it around, play exciting pressing football and be here long term, highly unlikely to happen IMO. Me, I dont give a shit how boring the football is the rest of the season as long as we get enough point to stay up. It does feel like an appointment until the end of the season would be the best way to go. If the manager is successful in keeping us up, while playing decent football then that will give them a head start for the job on a permanent basis. Plus a hefty bonus for keeping us up no doubt.
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