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Post by richhtfc on Feb 1, 2024 19:35:12 GMT 1
Really hope it's not Heckingbottom Can I ask why?
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Post by bells ringing :) on Feb 1, 2024 19:36:38 GMT 1
i will agree with warnock and say burnley were by far one of the best champ sides in the modern era, sheff u did well to finish second and then sold off 2 of his key players and didn't replace them . but we shall see what he does if he comes here . Think Warnock was just saying that to take the pressure off to be honest, they finished terribly and have looked poor in the premier league. I agree on them selling berge but then at the same time how easy it is to dominate championship games with him in your side. We don’t have anywhere near that quality in the middle. look at the job he did at barnsley , he brought them up and they were competive, while selling off his best players - they ran us major close at the jss and we didn't beat them away from home .
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Post by harris on Feb 1, 2024 19:37:26 GMT 1
Very different divisions though… It’s uninspiring because he’s not Warnock or an eccentric foreign guy who wears a flatcap. To me, it’s the logical and smart move in our current situation. I agree some will form an opinion as he is unfashionable, I would personally describe heckingbottom as a middle of the road appointment would hopefully improve us but it wouldn’t be all that exciting to watch. He would need better players to achieve what he did with sheff Utd Had Vincent Kompany been sacked and we picked him up, people would be absolutely delighted. Despite them having very similar records over the last two seasons. But you’re right, he’s ‘unfashionable’. No doubt many will not take to him because he’s managed Leeds previously.
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Post by thomo on Feb 1, 2024 19:39:19 GMT 1
Darren Moores team got 90 odd points last season. You have to look deeper than that. Not saying he’s a bad appointment but it would be more of the same in terms of football I think. Hopefully he could motivate them better and communicate better with the fans In league one with the best squad. Big big difference. I don’t think anyone could do much worse than Moore to be honest. & I think Heckingbottom is at the top end of realistic managers to get in. The sheff Utd side was absolute quality to be fair. How they managed to keep Sander Berge and Ndiaye for last season in the championship is absolutely mind blowing. Add to that McAtee, Egan, Doyle, Fleck, Stevens, Lowe, Baldock - their squad SHOULD have got them promoted.
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Post by dezzly on Feb 1, 2024 19:40:27 GMT 1
If it’s him it’s sound with me.no appointment is going to blow us away is it….look where we sit in the division,how many games are left and the squad. But bringing someone in who’s for the most part proved he’s perfectly capable is a good decision.It may not work(again) but at least there would be some logic behind it!
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 1, 2024 19:44:38 GMT 1
Even if he does come what's the problem? I've got news for you, Pep and Klopp ain't coming so if we gone for a recent premier league manager that got a very unfashionable Sheffield United team automatically promoted last season then perhaps you should give him a chance before shaking your lettuce. Unfashionable? I prefer expensively assembled, recently relegated, I think it's more accurate. If it's heckingbottom I won't be getting excited as he's never really over achieved, similar to Moore however he did improve Sheffield United massively and would hopefully come with mccall, who is very experienced and highly rated as a coach. People are entitled to be underwhelmed, we had the same bollocks when Moore was appointed despite lots of us knowing it was a really poor appointment. If you think it's great that's fine but if others don't that's also fine and maybe they're a better judge than you? I hope not if it does turn out to be him. Why are they entitled to be underwhelmed? I would love these posters to state who we should be getting and why and why Heckingbottom is such a shit appointment.
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Post by harris on Feb 1, 2024 19:45:44 GMT 1
In league one with the best squad. Big big difference. I don’t think anyone could do much worse than Moore to be honest. & I think Heckingbottom is at the top end of realistic managers to get in. The sheff Utd side was absolute quality to be fair. How they managed to keep Sander Berge and Ndiaye for last season in the championship is absolutely mind blowing. Add to that McAtee, Egan, Doyle, Fleck, Stevens, Lowe, Baldock - their squad SHOULD have got them promoted. Yeah that’s fair enough with Berge and Ndiaye. Having said that about the squad though, there’s 4 or 5 teams you could make that argument for that didn’t get promoted last season - so some credit is surely warranted. I still think that ruling out Heckingbottom because he got automatic promotion from the championship last season… just because Moore got promoted by the play offs in league one last season and wasn’t very good for us, is ludicrous.
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Post by kayeb222 on Feb 1, 2024 19:46:31 GMT 1
whats wrong with him, i don't understand the big downer if it was to be him agree, as been said before, people will moan who ever is appointed. hopefully we wont give whoever it is a 3 year deal because if it goes wrong thats another ex manager on the payroll Why do they have to pay them for the whole of the contract? Surely if you do a shit job and get sacked you don't deserve to be paid for the next 2 and a half years or whatever. Whenever I've been sacked I felt lucky to be paid to the end of the week never mind the next few years!!
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Post by Dan on Feb 1, 2024 19:49:49 GMT 1
Just to be clear... The only link to him is some bloke on here who said he saw Heckingbottom in Barnsley doing the school run a few days ago and he said he'd been in talks. The same poster today said its a done deal.
Has he bumped into him again today on the school run then? Assume Heckingbottom doesn't mind telling his business to randoms outside school. Not that Heckingbottom will be doing the school run anyway as he's banned from driving. Anyway, carry on....
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 1, 2024 19:50:26 GMT 1
I agree some will form an opinion as he is unfashionable, I would personally describe heckingbottom as a middle of the road appointment would hopefully improve us but it wouldn’t be all that exciting to watch. He would need better players to achieve what he did with sheff Utd Had Vincent Kompany been sacked and we picked him up, people would be absolutely delighted. Despite them having very similar records over the last two seasons. But you’re right, he’s ‘unfashionable’. No doubt many will not take to him because he’s managed Leeds previously. So had Warnock .
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 1, 2024 19:51:45 GMT 1
plus he did play good football at barnsley, they also brought a lot of good young players through.
At sheff u he played to a style that suited what he had- to as you say promotion and second place, to probs one of the best champ sides ever in burnley.
Burnley weren’t one of the best champ sides ever, they won one of the worst championships ever. Sheff U wouldn’t be top 3 this year but then that’s not their fault I suppose. Every year it is branded the worst championship ever by some fans
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Feb 1, 2024 19:53:55 GMT 1
Just to be clear... The only link to him is some bloke on here who said he saw Heckingbottom in Barnsley doing the school run a few days ago and he said he'd been in talks. The same poster today said its a done deal. Has he bumped into him again today on the school run then? Assume Heckingbottom doesn't mind telling his business to randoms outside school. Not that Heckingbottom will be doing the school run anyway as he's banned from driving. Anyway, carry on.... Just to be clear. The major betting companies aren't going to base their odds on what someone said on here about what happened on the school run.
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Post by harris on Feb 1, 2024 19:54:02 GMT 1
Just to be clear... The only link to him is some bloke on here who said he saw Heckingbottom in Barnsley doing the school run a few days ago and he said he'd been in talks. The same poster today said its a done deal. Has he bumped into him again today on the school run then? Assume Heckingbottom doesn't mind telling his business to randoms outside school. Not that Heckingbottom will be doing the school run anyway as he's banned from driving. Anyway, carry on.... Lol - all very true. They always go quiet when asked if it’s worth putting substantial money on. Worth discussing though, putting pretend ITKs aside, as he is heavy favourite.
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Post by paulmat on Feb 1, 2024 19:55:26 GMT 1
Don't know if it is him, but it's always more difficult for someone with a basic English name to create excitement. If it was Pablo Heckingbahamas with the same managerial record he would instantly be a bit more well received. I'm not even sure if it is down to whether they are English/British or not, I think it's more the case that the unknown is more exciting that the known. Kieran Mckenna was an exciting appointment for Ipswich at the time, and has proven to be a brilliant move. There is more chance of foreign names been unknown of course, but it's harder to dream that somebody who has managed at a few clubs, done well at some, done badly at others, will turn into the kind of miracle worker needed to take a struggling championship club on an amazing journey, like David Wagner did. Take Wagner as an example, he's got the history with us, but if he left Norwich, and took over at say QPR, their fans probably wouldn't be as excited now, given he's had a couple of failures, as we were when he was a complete unknown who had worked with Jurgen Klopp.
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Post by Ross83 on Feb 1, 2024 19:58:56 GMT 1
I personally think it will be Heckingbottom and I get why some would be a little underwhelmed. He's not an exciting name, but fuck me after months of Moore's football, anything is an improvement.
Anyone else coming in now would surely be well aware the remit is attacking football. KN has alluded to this in nearly every post match tweet, and the supporters have made that clear after the ridiculous amount of bore draws we've endured.
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Post by Dan on Feb 1, 2024 20:01:48 GMT 1
Just to be clear... The only link to him is some bloke on here who said he saw Heckingbottom in Barnsley doing the school run a few days ago and he said he'd been in talks. The same poster today said its a done deal. Has he bumped into him again today on the school run then? Assume Heckingbottom doesn't mind telling his business to randoms outside school. Not that Heckingbottom will be doing the school run anyway as he's banned from driving. Anyway, carry on.... Just to be clear. The major betting companies aren't going to base their odds on what someone said on here about what happened on the school run. No, they base them on the money that's been placed. And Heckingbottom has drifted from 1/2 to 8/11 since the market opened suggesting very little has gone on him. If it was anywhere near close, someone would have stuck £700 on it and he'd be 1/10.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 1, 2024 20:06:09 GMT 1
In league one with the best squad. Big big difference. I don’t think anyone could do much worse than Moore to be honest. & I think Heckingbottom is at the top end of realistic managers to get in. The sheff Utd side was absolute quality to be fair. How they managed to keep Sander Berge and Ndiaye for last season in the championship is absolutely mind blowing. Add to that McAtee, Egan, Doyle, Fleck, Stevens, Lowe, Baldock - their squad SHOULD have got them promoted. He took over the season before with the team sat 16th in the Championship after 19 games. Heckingbottom led them to a 5th place finish with 16 wins and 5 defeats. They narrowly lost to Forest in the playoffs but didn't let the team feel sorry for themselves and led them to automatic promotion last season. He did well with limited resources at Barnsley in the Championship aswell. Proved he can do well with limited resources at this level and also proved he can turn a faltering good team into promotion contenders.
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Feb 1, 2024 20:07:38 GMT 1
Just to be clear. The major betting companies aren't going to base their odds on what someone said on here about what happened on the school run. No, they base them on the money that's been placed. And Heckingbottom has drifted from 1/2 to 8/11 since the market opened suggesting very little has gone on him. If it was anywhere near close, someone would have stuck £700 on it and he'd be 1/10. Agreed mate in fairness I thought a knowledgeable poster on Twitter had posted it but it was the wrong account, the fact Kenny irons has suggested it to makes it more likely it’s anybody but Heckingbottom. Let’s wait and see.
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Post by incognito on Feb 1, 2024 20:07:43 GMT 1
The sheff Utd side was absolute quality to be fair. How they managed to keep Sander Berge and Ndiaye for last season in the championship is absolutely mind blowing. Add to that McAtee, Egan, Doyle, Fleck, Stevens, Lowe, Baldock - their squad SHOULD have got them promoted. Yeah that’s fair enough with Berge and Ndiaye. Having said that about the squad though, there’s 4 or 5 teams you could make that argument for that didn’t get promoted last season - so some credit is surely warranted. I still think that ruling out Heckingbottom because he got automatic promotion from the championship last season… just because Moore got promoted by the play offs in league one last season and wasn’t very good for us, is ludicrous. Also worth bearing in mind the general chaos behind the scenes at Sheffield Utd last season. Managing to hold the whole thing together and keep winning games under those circumstances (including a genuine transfer embargo) was a quietly impressive achievement IMO.
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Post by goodbet on Feb 1, 2024 20:08:38 GMT 1
Very different divisions though… It’s uninspiring because he’s not Warnock or an eccentric foreign guy who wears a flatcap. To me, it’s the logical and smart move in our current situation. I agree some will form an opinion as he is unfashionable, I would personally describe heckingbottom as a middle of the road appointment would hopefully improve us but it wouldn’t be all that exciting to watch. He would need better players to achieve what he did with sheff Utd If promotion in three years is our target we nedd better players than we have or just signed no matter the manager.
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Post by kayeb222 on Feb 1, 2024 20:11:49 GMT 1
Just to be clear... The only link to him is some bloke on here who said he saw Heckingbottom in Barnsley doing the school run a few days ago and he said he'd been in talks. The same poster today said its a done deal. Has he bumped into him again today on the school run then? Assume Heckingbottom doesn't mind telling his business to randoms outside school. Not that Heckingbottom will be doing the school run anyway as he's banned from driving. Anyway, carry on.... To be fair Heckingbottom might live just round the corner from school and enjoy walking the kids to school. We'll soon see if it's true or not I guess.
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Post by King Neil on Feb 1, 2024 20:19:45 GMT 1
Had Vincent Kompany been sacked and we picked him up, people would be absolutely delighted. Despite them having very similar records over the last two seasons. But you’re right, he’s ‘unfashionable’. No doubt many will not take to him because he’s managed Leeds previously. So had Warnock . Yes..but he managed us first 😉
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 1, 2024 20:21:04 GMT 1
The sheff Utd side was absolute quality to be fair. How they managed to keep Sander Berge and Ndiaye for last season in the championship is absolutely mind blowing. Add to that McAtee, Egan, Doyle, Fleck, Stevens, Lowe, Baldock - their squad SHOULD have got them promoted. He took over the season before with the team sat 16th in the Championship after 19 games. Heckingbottom led them to a 5th place finish with 16 wins and 5 defeats. They narrowly lost to Forest in the playoffs but didn't let the team feel sorry for themselves and led them to automatic promotion last season. He did well with limited resources at Barnsley in the Championship aswell. Proved he can do well with limited resources at this level and also proved he can turn a faltering good team into promotion contenders. He’s done some good jobs but let’s not forget his spells at Leeds and hibs. I don’t think he’s a bad appointment I just don’t think he fits the remit of attacking football, also I’d personally like us to look for a coach that can really bring something different to the table. He feels more like a Chris Powell type who had won the league with Charlton easily, that’s what I mean when I say you have to look deeper sometimes, resources available etc. The owner has spoken of entertainment and I’d hoped we would really look outside the box and take a punt on something and see where it takes us, then again I’m a gambler so maybe we need the safe option.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Feb 1, 2024 20:22:22 GMT 1
heckingbottom or anyone else, can not possibly be worse than moores record . That is the huge postive i am looking at , its just not possible 3 wins in 24 - am sure its impossible for worse than that.
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Post by uw2ba on Feb 1, 2024 20:26:01 GMT 1
Id be happy enough with heckingbottom. Yorkshire bloke who has a championship promotion on his CV.
Think he would be a good fit for us to be honest.
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Post by goodbet on Feb 1, 2024 20:28:04 GMT 1
heckingbottom or anyone else, can not possibly be worse than moores record . That is the huge postive i am looking at , its just not possible 3 wins in 24 - am sure its impossible for worse than that. You just can't see KN's little helpers nailing themselves to the new manager like they did with DM, so you would expect them to eject the new manager long before they did with DM if he has a similar crappy record. We will see.
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Post by mightyterrier on Feb 1, 2024 20:28:51 GMT 1
If it’s Heckingbottom I would be happy
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Post by workshyfop on Feb 1, 2024 20:30:00 GMT 1
Any managerial appointment is a gamble, especially in our current position. It’s likely to be someone who has failed at some point in their career. Or someone who has been successful at a lower level (the Cowleys had been on an upward trajectory until they came to us, remember). Any manager who has been consistently successful at Championship level or above will have bigger opportunities. Then there’s the foreign option or promoting a youth coach, which sometimes works and sometimes doesn’t. Personally, I’d prefer someone who knows the division and can get the players in a system that they understand, that works and gets results in our predicament. We’ve got to give ourselves the best possible chance of staying up and can worry about the style of football further down the line.
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Post by Ross83 on Feb 1, 2024 20:34:32 GMT 1
I agree some will form an opinion as he is unfashionable, I would personally describe heckingbottom as a middle of the road appointment would hopefully improve us but it wouldn’t be all that exciting to watch. He would need better players to achieve what he did with sheff Utd Had Vincent Kompany been sacked and we picked him up, people would be absolutely delighted. Despite them having very similar records over the last two seasons. But you’re right, he’s ‘unfashionable’. No doubt many will not take to him because he’s managed Leeds previously. Felt worse with Corberan tbh, we poached their B Team manager directly from them. Cringeworthy almost, but I certainly warmed to him by the end. I imagine from his time at Leeds, Heckingbottom will hate them more than we do!
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 1, 2024 20:35:03 GMT 1
He took over the season before with the team sat 16th in the Championship after 19 games. Heckingbottom led them to a 5th place finish with 16 wins and 5 defeats. They narrowly lost to Forest in the playoffs but didn't let the team feel sorry for themselves and led them to automatic promotion last season. He did well with limited resources at Barnsley in the Championship aswell. Proved he can do well with limited resources at this level and also proved he can turn a faltering good team into promotion contenders. He’s done some good jobs but let’s not forget his spells at Leeds and hibs. I don’t think he’s a bad appointment I just don’t think he fits the remit of attacking football, also I’d personally like us to look for a coach that can really bring something different to the table. He feels more like a Chris Powell type who had won the league with Charlton easily, that’s what I mean when I say you have to look deeper sometimes, resources available etc. The owner has spoken of entertainment and I’d hoped we would really look outside the box and take a punt on something and see where it takes us, then again I’m a gambler so maybe we need the safe option. It didn't go well at Leeds, tbf though, they were hardly flying when he came in that season. At Hibs they finished 5th in his first season and he was pissed off the players had their heads on the beach towards the end of that season. Second season didn't go well though. He does play attacking football. His Barnsley team were the 6th highest scorers in the Championship the season we went up. Sheff U were the 3rd highest scorers last season and 4th highest scorers the season before.
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