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Post by DuffMan on Feb 1, 2024 20:38:21 GMT 1
He’s done some good jobs but let’s not forget his spells at Leeds and hibs. I don’t think he’s a bad appointment I just don’t think he fits the remit of attacking football, also I’d personally like us to look for a coach that can really bring something different to the table. He feels more like a Chris Powell type who had won the league with Charlton easily, that’s what I mean when I say you have to look deeper sometimes, resources available etc. The owner has spoken of entertainment and I’d hoped we would really look outside the box and take a punt on something and see where it takes us, then again I’m a gambler so maybe we need the safe option. It didn't go well at Leeds, tbf though, they were hardly flying when he came in that season. At Hibs they finished 5th in his first season and he was pissed off the players had their heads on the beach towards the end of that season. Second season didn't go well though. He does play attacking football. His Barnsley team were the 6th highest scorers in the Championship the season we went up. Sheff U were the 3rd highest scorers last season and 4th highest scorers the season before. Town had a negative goal difference when we got promoted but I’d say we were more entertaining than any of heckingbottoms teams from what I’ve seen. Stats are great when you want them to back something up but they aren’t everything and don’t always tell the whole story
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Post by space hardware on Feb 1, 2024 20:42:10 GMT 1
So long as 90% are not dead against him it will be an improvement I don't think that 90% were against DM to start with anyway. I don't think they were, they just knew he'd be fucking rubbish and that's exactly how it turned out.
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Post by goodbet on Feb 1, 2024 20:42:42 GMT 1
It didn't go well at Leeds, tbf though, they were hardly flying when he came in that season. At Hibs they finished 5th in his first season and he was pissed off the players had their heads on the beach towards the end of that season. Second season didn't go well though. He does play attacking football. His Barnsley team were the 6th highest scorers in the Championship the season we went up. Sheff U were the 3rd highest scorers last season and 4th highest scorers the season before. Town had a negative goal difference when we got promoted but I’d say we were more entertaining than any of heckingbottoms teams from what I’ve seen. Stats are great when you want them to back something up but they aren’t everything and don’t always tell the whole story You may be right but he would be more entertaining than DM.
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 1, 2024 20:42:46 GMT 1
It didn't go well at Leeds, tbf though, they were hardly flying when he came in that season. At Hibs they finished 5th in his first season and he was pissed off the players had their heads on the beach towards the end of that season. Second season didn't go well though. He does play attacking football. His Barnsley team were the 6th highest scorers in the Championship the season we went up. Sheff U were the 3rd highest scorers last season and 4th highest scorers the season before. Town had a negative goal difference when we got promoted but I’d say we were more entertaining than any of heckingbottoms teams from what I’ve seen. Stats are great when you want them to back something up but they aren’t everything and don’t always tell the whole story The Sheffield United team he managed that banged 5 against Burnley last season? Yea boring that
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 1, 2024 20:43:09 GMT 1
Town had a negative goal difference when we got promoted but I’d say we were more entertaining than any of heckingbottoms teams from what I’ve seen. Stats are great when you want them to back something up but they aren’t everything and don’t always tell the whole story You may be right but he would be more entertaining than DM. Agree 100%
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 1, 2024 20:43:44 GMT 1
Town had a negative goal difference when we got promoted but I’d say we were more entertaining than any of heckingbottoms teams from what I’ve seen. Stats are great when you want them to back something up but they aren’t everything and don’t always tell the whole story The Sheffield United team he managed that banged 5 against Burnley last season? Yea boring that Darren moores team came from 4-0 down to win a play off semi final 🤣
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 1, 2024 20:44:30 GMT 1
The Sheffield United team he managed that banged 5 against Burnley last season? Yea boring that Darren moores team came from 4-0 down to win a play off semi final 🤣 You are the one making out his football isn't entertaining. I'm telling you that you are wrong.
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 1, 2024 20:45:27 GMT 1
Darren moores team came from 4-0 down to win a play off semi final 🤣 You are the one making out his football isn't entertaining. I'm telling you that you are wrong. I’m telling you I “think” you are wrong. His football isn’t boring but it isn’t entertaining from “my perspective” in watching his teams play in the past
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 1, 2024 20:48:11 GMT 1
You are the one making out his football isn't entertaining. I'm telling you that you are wrong. I’m telling you I “think” you are wrong. His football isn’t boring but it isn’t entertaining from “my perspective” in watching his teams play in the past The fact you compared the play off semi as an example, vs Peterborough and dismissing the fact Sheff Utd pumped 5 past the runaway leaders tells me that you haven't really watched his football. Look at how many goals they scored last season. He is a decent manager and exactly the type we should be going for. I'm interested to know who realistically you think we should be going for that's better.
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Post by Stiggy on Feb 1, 2024 20:48:29 GMT 1
Surely not Heckingbottom? He doesn’t fit the remit for attacking football.
How underwhelming! May as well kept Moore.
Another manager that’s who only got a half decent cv because they inherited decent squads. Meh
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Post by royrace on Feb 1, 2024 20:48:57 GMT 1
Unfashionable? I prefer expensively assembled, recently relegated, I think it's more accurate. If it's heckingbottom I won't be getting excited as he's never really over achieved, similar to Moore however he did improve Sheffield United massively and would hopefully come with mccall, who is very experienced and highly rated as a coach. People are entitled to be underwhelmed, we had the same bollocks when Moore was appointed despite lots of us knowing it was a really poor appointment. If you think it's great that's fine but if others don't that's also fine and maybe they're a better judge than you? I hope not if it does turn out to be him. Why are they entitled to be underwhelmed? I would love these posters to state who we should be getting and why and why Heckingbottom is such a shit appointment. Because it's an underwhelming, obvious appointment, just like Moore. Must have take Cartwright all of ten seconds to come up with heckingbottom. Yay he got Sheffield United promoted, sounds great unless you know how much quality they had in that squad compared to the competition. Did a good job but impossible to know if it was just down to the quality in the squad. Failed at Leeds and Hibs, did well at Barnsley. I don't see anything in his record to suggest he can keep us up let alone bring success. I know nothing about his style but Sheffield United weren't exactly exciting to watch. Rowetts record is far more impressive imo and I don't even think he has a promotion on his CV.
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 1, 2024 20:51:42 GMT 1
Why are they entitled to be underwhelmed? I would love these posters to state who we should be getting and why and why Heckingbottom is such a shit appointment. Because it's an underwhelming, obvious appointment, just like Moore. Must have take Cartwright all of ten seconds to come up with heckingbottom. Yay he got Sheffield United promoted, sounds great unless you know how much quality they had in that squad compared to the competition. Did a good job but impossible to know if it was just down to the quality in the squad. Failed at Leeds and Hibs, did well at Barnsley. I don't see anything in his record to suggest he can keep us up let alone bring success. I know nothing about his style but Sheffield United weren't exactly exciting to watch. Rowetts record is far more impressive imo and I don't even think he has a promotion on his CV. I've never associated Rowett with entertaining attacking football. He also has zero success and was sacked by Millwall lower mid table in the championship. Higginbottom has a far superior record.
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 1, 2024 20:54:50 GMT 1
I’m telling you I “think” you are wrong. His football isn’t boring but it isn’t entertaining from “my perspective” in watching his teams play in the past The fact you compared the play off semi as an example, vs Peterborough and dismissing the fact Sheff Utd pumped 5 past the runaway leaders tells me that you haven't really watched his football. Look at how many goals they scored last season. He is a decent manager and exactly the type we should be going for. I'm interested to know who realistically you think we should be going for that's better. Didn’t say he wasn’t a decent manager at all. I said his football isn’t entertaining it depends what you define as entertaining in your view. He would be an improvement on Moore in terms of style but it isn’t entertaining IMO I don’t have a name I’d like us to go for personally that would be realistic I wouldn’t be unhappy with hecky it just wouldn’t enthuse me as much as a Wagner or corberan did in that they were the unknown and we were really trying to bring something different to the club and a new style of football with a remit to attack, no limits etc. There will be coaches out there I’ve never heard of that can bring that and I’d hope our sporting director had the contacts to sniff them out.
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Post by waggers on Feb 1, 2024 20:57:52 GMT 1
Because it's an underwhelming, obvious appointment, just like Moore. Must have take Cartwright all of ten seconds to come up with heckingbottom. Yay he got Sheffield United promoted, sounds great unless you know how much quality they had in that squad compared to the competition. Did a good job but impossible to know if it was just down to the quality in the squad. Failed at Leeds and Hibs, did well at Barnsley. I don't see anything in his record to suggest he can keep us up let alone bring success. I know nothing about his style but Sheffield United weren't exactly exciting to watch. Rowetts record is far more impressive imo and I don't even think he has a promotion on his CV. I've never associated Rowett with entertaining attacking football. He also has zero success and was sacked by Millwall lower mid table in the championship. Higginbottom has a far superior record. I like Heckingbottom, but didn't Rowett get Millwall near the play offs at some point? On a small budget too. Might be wrong.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Feb 1, 2024 21:05:33 GMT 1
Re Rowett Not sure about Millwall but he took Birmingham from a very poor position to about 7th at which point they sacked him and appointed someone else who got them nosediving again. I'm not saying he'd be right for the Town job though. Did a great job at Burton but the Championship is a different beast.
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Post by uw2ba on Feb 1, 2024 21:15:35 GMT 1
Always makes me laugh when people say "oh well he has had more quality than the rest"
This doesn't always mean success. Look at the failed championship powerhouses of the past. It took aston villa a few seasons to go back up, qpr threw everything at getting up the other year and failed. The likes of west brom, Norwich etc have all had superior squads after getting relegated and struggled.
You may have better quality individuals but you still need to get them to play as a team and manage big egos, it's not always as easy as people think in my opinion
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Post by royrace on Feb 1, 2024 21:18:34 GMT 1
Because it's an underwhelming, obvious appointment, just like Moore. Must have take Cartwright all of ten seconds to come up with heckingbottom. Yay he got Sheffield United promoted, sounds great unless you know how much quality they had in that squad compared to the competition. Did a good job but impossible to know if it was just down to the quality in the squad. Failed at Leeds and Hibs, did well at Barnsley. I don't see anything in his record to suggest he can keep us up let alone bring success. I know nothing about his style but Sheffield United weren't exactly exciting to watch. Rowetts record is far more impressive imo and I don't even think he has a promotion on his CV. I've never associated Rowett with entertaining attacking football. He also has zero success and was sacked by Millwall lower mid table in the championship. Higginbottom has a far superior record. Like I said, I think rowetts record is more impressive. Definitely not exciting football I agree but he has overachieved pretty much wherever he's been bar Stoke and nobody does well at Stoke except for pulis! Looking at a managers record without considering the context and the squad value compared to the competition is pointless. I'm not saying it should be Rowett either, my preference would be a fire fighter followed by a rethink in the summer.
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Post by royrace on Feb 1, 2024 21:22:25 GMT 1
Always makes me laugh when people say "oh well he has had more quality than the rest" This doesn't always mean success. Look at the failed championship powerhouses of the past. It took aston villa a few seasons to go back up, qpr threw everything at getting up the other year and failed. The likes of west brom, Norwich etc have all had superior squads after getting relegated and struggled. You may have better quality individuals but you still need to get them to play as a team and manage big egos, it's not always as easy as people think in my opinion Very true he's obviously done a good job there and much better than jakanovic could but my point is that it's not really comparable to the job we need him to do here. So imo saying he's a great choice because he's got automatic promotion last season is incorrect and fairly irrelevant.
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 1, 2024 21:22:48 GMT 1
I've never associated Rowett with entertaining attacking football. He also has zero success and was sacked by Millwall lower mid table in the championship. Higginbottom has a far superior record. Like I said, I think rowetts record is more impressive. Definitely not exciting football I agree but he has overachieved pretty much wherever he's been bar Stoke and nobody does well at Stoke except for pulis! Looking at a managers record without considering the context and the squad value compared to the competition is pointless. I'm not saying it should be Rowett either, my preference would be a fire fighter followed by a rethink in the summer. Wouldn’t mind that if that’s the plan, I just hope they don’t give a 3 year deal to a rowett type and then sell it to us as attacking football
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Post by kyg on Feb 1, 2024 21:23:00 GMT 1
Whoever it is deserves our support from day 1. I would rather it is someone that has a record in the Championship than some random unknown. I dont think this season would be a good one to go for some random foreigner, just because it’s a name we haven’t heard before. Heckingbottom would be the obvious choice, but there is good reason he is an obvious choice. He has a good record, knows the Championship well, has a recent promotion from it. I can’t think of anyone more likely to do a good job. Could it work out if we picked someone we never heard of, sure (Wagner) but it could also be the next Siewart.
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Post by King Curtis on Feb 1, 2024 21:25:04 GMT 1
Why are they entitled to be underwhelmed? I would love these posters to state who we should be getting and why and why Heckingbottom is such a shit appointment. Because it's an underwhelming, obvious appointment, just like Moore. Must have take Cartwright all of ten seconds to come up with heckingbottom. Yay he got Sheffield United promoted, sounds great unless you know how much quality they had in that squad compared to the competition. Did a good job but impossible to know if it was just down to the quality in the squad. Failed at Leeds and Hibs, did well at Barnsley. I don't see anything in his record to suggest he can keep us up let alone bring success. I know nothing about his style but Sheffield United weren't exactly exciting to watch. Rowetts record is far more impressive imo and I don't even think he has a promotion on his CV. Sorry Roy, but why is it underwhelming? As for obvious, yes I agree - he's got the CV for the job. Who would you prefer?
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Post by dezzly on Feb 1, 2024 21:25:40 GMT 1
I do hope folk aren’t going to get hung up on the attacking football thing!!they made the mistake of saying Moore played this. They took a step away this time and said they wanted the new man to play attack minded football.Like I mentioned before subtle difference but it does suggest something slightly different. I just hope they don’t say again when whoever gets announced that they play attacking football again 😂 Just sets them up to fail in my eyes with this squad.you can play like they say attack minded football..ie get on the front foot etc etc. But attacking football gives the notion of free flowing balls to the wall stuff,which is unlikely to happen let’s face it!
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Post by royrace on Feb 1, 2024 21:30:38 GMT 1
I do hope folk aren’t going to get hung up on the attacking football thing!!they made the mistake of saying Moore played this. They took a step away this time and said they wanted the new man to play attack minded football.Like I mentioned before subtle difference but it does suggest something slightly different. I just hope they don’t say again when whoever gets announced that they play attacking football again 😂 Just sets them up to fail in my eyes with this squad.you can play like they say attack minded football..ie get on the front foot etc etc. But attacking football gives the notion of free flowing balls to the wall stuff,which is unlikely to happen let’s face it! Yeah it's usually bollocks, I remember thinking the same when lee Clark said be wanted to play fast attacking football. No shit Sherlock, so does everyone!
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Post by King Curtis on Feb 1, 2024 21:31:15 GMT 1
Because it's an underwhelming, obvious appointment, just like Moore. Must have take Cartwright all of ten seconds to come up with heckingbottom. Yay he got Sheffield United promoted, sounds great unless you know how much quality they had in that squad compared to the competition. Did a good job but impossible to know if it was just down to the quality in the squad. Failed at Leeds and Hibs, did well at Barnsley. I don't see anything in his record to suggest he can keep us up let alone bring success. I know nothing about his style but Sheffield United weren't exactly exciting to watch. Rowetts record is far more impressive imo and I don't even think he has a promotion on his CV. I've never associated Rowett with entertaining attacking football. He also has zero success and was sacked by Millwall lower mid table in the championship. Higginbottom has a far superior record. I was agreeing with most of your recent posts in this thread Ern, but I've just realised you're talking about Kallum Higginbotham He was a tidy little player on his day but I'm not sure he's ready for management...
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 1, 2024 21:32:19 GMT 1
I've never associated Rowett with entertaining attacking football. He also has zero success and was sacked by Millwall lower mid table in the championship. Higginbottom has a far superior record. I was agreeing with most of your recent posts in this thread Ern, but I've just realised you're talking about Kallum Higginbotham He was a tidy little player on his day but I'm not sure he's ready for management... Bloody hell that is a blast from the past. So much potential
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Post by royrace on Feb 1, 2024 21:33:31 GMT 1
I hope whoever it is gets us kicking off in there correct direction, the way we have for the last thirty years pretty much.
Never got my head round kicking off the wrong way! Should have known Darren wasn't a keeper based on that decision alone!
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Post by dezzly on Feb 1, 2024 21:38:16 GMT 1
I do hope folk aren’t going to get hung up on the attacking football thing!!they made the mistake of saying Moore played this. They took a step away this time and said they wanted the new man to play attack minded football.Like I mentioned before subtle difference but it does suggest something slightly different. I just hope they don’t say again when whoever gets announced that they play attacking football again 😂 Just sets them up to fail in my eyes with this squad.you can play like they say attack minded football..ie get on the front foot etc etc. But attacking football gives the notion of free flowing balls to the wall stuff,which is unlikely to happen let’s face it! Yeah it's usually bollocks, I remember thinking the same when lee Clark said be wanted to play fast attacking football. No shit Sherlock, so does everyone! It’s a toss up isn’t it.you have to bit them up to some degree to try get folk excited.Just if you promise something that can’t be delivered or is unlikely to be and then it isn’t,folk will criticise and rightly so. Wouldn’t really be good pr though to bring someone in and say they will play practical,pragmatic,sometimes decent,sometimes shite football also though. Tbf unless they drop onto a winner it’s an impossible sell really. I think what we should be happy with right now is someone who comes in and sets up to be front footed and win without leaving the back door wide open.Play when possible and when not play properly,turn the defence,hit the channels etc etc and if a game is there for the taking have a go at it. All sounds very old school but it’s just generally been adept at been a football team.
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Post by upthetown on Feb 1, 2024 21:44:11 GMT 1
Town had a negative goal difference when we got promoted but I’d say we were more entertaining than any of heckingbottoms teams from what I’ve seen. Stats are great when you want them to back something up but they aren’t everything and don’t always tell the whole story The Sheffield United team he managed that banged 5 against Burnley last season? Yea boring that An attacking manager would have got 10
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Post by King Neil on Feb 1, 2024 21:48:50 GMT 1
I just want winning football...whatever that is!
One of kevs remits was that they had to have experience in relegation battles...so that would surely rule hecky out
Rowett has done really well recently at a club with a similar low end budget to Town and you could say Millwall over achieved
Also did great at Birmingham before being sacked for no reason...did zola replace him?..I know he only won 2 in 22 just beating dm for the title
If it was a choice between the 2 personally I would pick Rowett...but also think hecky would do OK aswell
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Post by cuz on Feb 1, 2024 21:48:57 GMT 1
If we can start winning I don't care what it looks like tbh at the minute!
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