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Post by alexdire on Feb 4, 2024 14:27:48 GMT 1
So Sharon. I’ve been offered another gig up north. No problem love, trains are easy enough… No love, think John Candy and Steve Martin type journeys… (yes, I know Aberdeen has an airport…) One train per day runs direct from Aberdeen to Penzance. Can see Warnock living it up in first class... There's a flight from Newquay to Aberdeen.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Feb 4, 2024 15:08:58 GMT 1
On paper, the new boss will inherit quite a resilient team - nobody in the bottom half has lost fewer games than us. In fact, only 8 teams in the division have. We just have vetted enough of our draws into wins.
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Post by davethesprout on Feb 4, 2024 15:59:10 GMT 1
On paper, the new boss will inherit quite a resilient team - nobody in the bottom half has lost fewer games than us. In fact, only 8 teams in the division have. We just have vetted enough of our draws into wins. Latest odds Duff odds on 5/6 , Eustace 9/4 , Sky bet
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Post by SNOWY on Feb 4, 2024 16:06:52 GMT 1
I'd be tempted to "leak" the names of the final candidates to a trusted person on here to make a fan poll. Its more important to have the fans onside than possible selecting between apples and pears on the manager front.
Rooney would have had alot more rope than Moore and may well have been more successful here than Moore who was hung after the opening 30 seconds of his press conference, in fact the first 3 or 4 comments when he was hired were damning. I think the brum fans probably did the same to Rooney.
If your down to the final few, there probably isn't a stand out candidate or you'd not waste your time. So the one with most fan credit in the bank is probably the one to choose.
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Post by Lovechops on Feb 4, 2024 16:11:16 GMT 1
I'd be tempted to "leak" the names of the final candidates to a trusted person on here to make a fan poll. Its more important to have the fans onside than possible selecting between apples and pears on the manager front. Rooney would have had alot more rope than Moore and may well have been more successful here than Moore who was hung after the opening 30 seconds of his press conference, in fact the first 3 or 4 comments when he was hired were damning. I think the brum fans probably did the same to Rooney. If your down to the final few, there probably isn't a stand out candidate or you'd not waste your time. So the one with most fan credit in the bank is probably the one to choose. Considering how unhinged some of our fans are that’s a dreadful idea 🤣😂🤣😂
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Post by SNOWY on Feb 4, 2024 16:16:25 GMT 1
I'd be tempted to "leak" the names of the final candidates to a trusted person on here to make a fan poll. Its more important to have the fans onside than possible selecting between apples and pears on the manager front. Rooney would have had alot more rope than Moore and may well have been more successful here than Moore who was hung after the opening 30 seconds of his press conference, in fact the first 3 or 4 comments when he was hired were damning. I think the brum fans probably did the same to Rooney. If your down to the final few, there probably isn't a stand out candidate or you'd not waste your time. So the one with most fan credit in the bank is probably the one to choose. Considering how unhinged some of our fans are that’s a dreadful idea 🤣😂🤣😂 That is true.... but if your planning a long term appointment, then you need someone that will get some time before the vitriol starts. Moore didn't even get a minute after it was announced on here and he was a dead man walking from then onwards. Part of that was Kev and Co not understanding the fan base, Some of the names linked, will get a very cold reception from fans... Mark my words.
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Post by SNOWY on Feb 4, 2024 16:23:00 GMT 1
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 4, 2024 16:29:20 GMT 1
Considering how unhinged some of our fans are that’s a dreadful idea 🤣😂🤣😂 That is true.... but if your planning a long term appointment, then you need someone that will get some time before the vitriol starts. Moore didn't even get a minute after it was announced on here and he was a dead man walking from then onwards. Part of that was Kev and Co not understanding the fan base, Some of the names linked, will get a very cold reception from fans... Mark my words. moore was dead man walking because cartwright tried to pull the wool over our eyes. Don't hire someone as dull as Darren Moore and tell us he will engage with the fans and the community and play attacking football. They need to be honest about the hire and don't just put some bullshit out in a press conference. If it is a Rowett/Heckingbotttom/Eustace type don't even mention the style of play just say he's here to get results and that is it. I think someone mentioned it previously but if they really want to fulfil the chairman's wishes with an entertaining/attacking style of play they would have to go foreign unless they can find an untried British coach from somewhere. I can't think of many british managers out or in work that would be realistic that could fit that brief.
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Post by rockwall on Feb 4, 2024 16:32:38 GMT 1
If it is Duff, then Cartwright and Co will have failed again. Duff lost the fan base and the players at Swansea. That's alarming.
I know we aren't in a position to get a 'big' name, but getting a majority of fans onside from the start is paramount.
For me, Rowett would still be my preferred choice. Yes, his football isn't what we would say 'attacking' but it is very much Neil Warnock. Effective and everyone knows their roles. Now a lot of us would want Warnock, so the next carbon copy on terms of football would be Rowett.
He has shown he can work on limited budgets and Birmingham and Millwall and do well.
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 4, 2024 16:37:44 GMT 1
If it is Duff, then Cartwright and Co will have failed again. Duff lost the fan base and the players at Swansea. That's alarming. I know we aren't in a position to get a 'big' name, but getting a majority of fans onside from the start is paramount. For me, Rowett would still be my preferred choice. Yes, his football isn't what we would say 'attacking' but it is very much Neil Warnock. Effective and everyone knows their roles. Now a lot of us would want Warnock, so the next carbon copy on terms of football would be Rowett. He has shown he can work on limited budgets and Birmingham and Millwall and do well. rowett has lost the fanbase pretty much everywhere he has been
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Post by SNOWY on Feb 4, 2024 16:38:26 GMT 1
Having the fans on side at Huddersfield is probably no1. Especially with a long term appointment.
If uts duff I think that they are probably deaf to what's important and still aren't understanding what the club is about.
Duff may be warmly welcomed at Stoke... but I'm not sure at Huddersfield if I'm honest. He'd be a small step up from Moore.
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Post by SN0W on Feb 4, 2024 16:39:57 GMT 1
Having the fans on side at Huddersfield is probably no1. Especially with a long term appointment. If uts duff I think that they are probably deaf to what's important and still aren't understanding what the club is about. Duff may be warmly welcomed at Stoke... but I'm not sure at Huddersfield if I'm honest. He'd be a small step up from Moore. That's an interesting name you have there. Don't say anything controversial, I don't want banning.
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Post by SNOWY on Feb 4, 2024 16:47:58 GMT 1
Having the fans on side at Huddersfield is probably no1. Especially with a long term appointment. If uts duff I think that they are probably deaf to what's important and still aren't understanding what the club is about. Duff may be warmly welcomed at Stoke... but I'm not sure at Huddersfield if I'm honest. He'd be a small step up from Moore. That's an interesting name you have there. Don't say anything controversial, I don't want banning. Changed it, don't won't banning if you say anything controversial either.. 😉
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 4, 2024 16:49:32 GMT 1
unite this fan base?!! Best of luck with that who ever it is!! Warnock managed it. So did Wagner. So not impossible. Don't let facts get in the way of his constant sniping at Town fans 😉
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 4, 2024 16:51:46 GMT 1
So Sharon. I’ve been offered another gig up north. No problem love, trains are easy enough… No love, think John Candy and Steve Martin type journeys… (yes, I know Aberdeen has an airport…) One train per day runs direct from Aberdeen to Penzance. Can see Warnock living it up in first class... Blimey, just looked at how long the journey takes 😯
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Post by Orinoco on Feb 4, 2024 16:53:37 GMT 1
Warnock managed it. So did Wagner. So not impossible. Don't let facts get in the way of his constant sniping at Town fans 😉 Whoever gets the gig it will involve a few yellow cards,PMs and bans amongst the DATM family!!.
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Post by jqhtfc on Feb 4, 2024 16:54:10 GMT 1
Swap duffs name out for Moore and that could be wrote by a town reporter
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Post by rockwall on Feb 4, 2024 16:57:13 GMT 1
If it is Duff, then Cartwright and Co will have failed again. Duff lost the fan base and the players at Swansea. That's alarming. I know we aren't in a position to get a 'big' name, but getting a majority of fans onside from the start is paramount. For me, Rowett would still be my preferred choice. Yes, his football isn't what we would say 'attacking' but it is very much Neil Warnock. Effective and everyone knows their roles. Now a lot of us would want Warnock, so the next carbon copy on terms of football would be Rowett. He has shown he can work on limited budgets and Birmingham and Millwall and do well. rowett has lost the fanbase pretty much everywhere he has been He didn't ar Millwall or Birmingham...... He left Millwall after 4 seasons and all 4 seasons top 10 finish. The majority of Millwall fans liked him.
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Post by rockwall on Feb 4, 2024 16:59:31 GMT 1
One train per day runs direct from Aberdeen to Penzance. Can see Warnock living it up in first class... Blimey, just looked at how long the journey takes 😯 Luckily for Neil, he has a holiday home in Grenock. Still a 4 hour drive or 3 hour train ride though!
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Post by twyford on Feb 4, 2024 17:01:26 GMT 1
If it is Duff, then Cartwright and Co will have failed again. Duff lost the fan base and the players at Swansea. That's alarming. I know we aren't in a position to get a 'big' name, but getting a majority of fans onside from the start is paramount. For me, Rowett would still be my preferred choice. Yes, his football isn't what we would say 'attacking' but it is very much Neil Warnock. Effective and everyone knows their roles. Now a lot of us would want Warnock, so the next carbon copy on terms of football would be Rowett. He has shown he can work on limited budgets and Birmingham and Millwall and do well. rowett has lost the fanbase pretty much everywhere he has been Certainly did at Millwall if Danny Baker's tweets are anything to go by.
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Post by rockwall on Feb 4, 2024 17:06:01 GMT 1
rowett has lost the fanbase pretty much everywhere he has been Certainly did at Millwall if Danny Baker's tweets are anything to go by. They have definitely kicked on since he's left..... Lower mid table with -8 GD.
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Post by Tiro on Feb 4, 2024 17:10:55 GMT 1
I don’t think we should judge Duff on his time at Swansea:
The issue with Duff at Swansea was, I don’t think, his; he was doomed to fail from the start. It simply wasn’t the right appointment for that club.
His brand of football wasn’t ‘the Swansea way’. It’s not possession based, with more emphasis on energy and physicality. Something that was never going to suit the fans or the squad - especially in the wake of Martin’s departure.
There was undoubted criticism of him; he tried to change things to his way too quickly and too hard. And the more criticism he took, the more he dug in; not listening to fans and players alike and trying to entrench his values whilst faced with constant comparison to Potter, Martinez, Martin et al.
I would also suggest the issues at Swansea run deeper than Duff. Since his departure, they’ve only managed to win three games (hardly a turn in fortune), with one of those coming against Rotherham. They’ve had a difficult run of games, but there are still some telling results and they remain in trouble.
His ethos would be more suited to us.
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Post by twyford on Feb 4, 2024 17:12:04 GMT 1
rowett has lost the fanbase pretty much everywhere he has been He didn't ar Millwall or Birmingham...... He left Millwall after 4 seasons and all 4 seasons top 10 finish. The majority of Millwall fans liked him. I accept that Danny Baker may not be representative but he does go watch the games in the stand so will know what is going on around him. Start of this season he started tweeting some real negative stuff about Rowett of which the following is the one I'm most concerned by: 17/9/2023 Rowett manages Millwall's (talented) squad according to his own narrow oftern failed vision. No flair, no individual initiative, little attacking, long hoofed balls upfield, belief the opposition are superior, rigid negative tactics game in, game out. We need rid of this pest.
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Post by eric on Feb 4, 2024 17:18:29 GMT 1
Rowett did lose the Millwall fan base but that was mainly due to them bottling the play-offs last season. They didn't kick on this season and their fans went against Rowett. He left by mutual consent, citing family reasons and wanting to be based nearer the Midlands.
I think he worked wonders with their side tbh, they're just an average team. I doubt many of their fans are happy they went against him now, considering they're being sucked into the relegation fight.
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Post by rockwall on Feb 4, 2024 17:20:33 GMT 1
He didn't ar Millwall or Birmingham...... He left Millwall after 4 seasons and all 4 seasons top 10 finish. The majority of Millwall fans liked him. I accept that Danny Baker may not be representative but he does go watch the games in the stand so will know what is going on around him. Start of this season he started tweeting some real negative stuff about Rowett of which the following is the one I'm most concerned by: 17/9/2023 Rowett manages Millwall's (talented) squad according to his own narrow oftern failed vision. No flair, no individual initiative, little attacking, long hoofed balls upfield, belief the opposition are superior, rigid negative tactics game in, game out. We need rid of this pest. He isn't going to say his squad isn't talented is he? Warnock said our squad was good enough for the play offs. But we all know it is far from it... this comment was before the January signings too. His rigid negative tactics got them a +GD every season and top 10 finishes. I would argue that the journo is thinking they are better than what they actually were. With the squads they had, he did very well. This long ball theory really grinds at me. If you have players who aren't technically gifted at passing it around, what else can you do? We are at that level right now, we don't have the players to play passing football, long and direct showed in the 2nd half yesterday that played correctly with the correct players is effective.
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 4, 2024 17:21:39 GMT 1
rowett has lost the fanbase pretty much everywhere he has been He didn't ar Millwall or Birmingham...... He left Millwall after 4 seasons and all 4 seasons top 10 finish. The majority of Millwall fans liked him. spend 5 seconds on their forums and search for rowett and think again
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 4, 2024 17:22:07 GMT 1
unite this fan base?!! Best of luck with that who ever it is!! Warnock managed it. So did Wagner. So not impossible. If youre winning, you unite the fanbase...if youre not then you'll divide it. Its a simple as that
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 4, 2024 17:23:35 GMT 1
Well it's not going to be Nathan 'rat face' Jones anyway. Just announced as Charlton manager.
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Post by houllierspal on Feb 4, 2024 17:23:36 GMT 1
At least we can forget that Welsh gremlin, seems he has taken the Charlton job
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 4, 2024 17:24:32 GMT 1
Rowett did lose the Millwall fan base but that was mainly due to them bottling the play-offs last season. They didn't kick on this season and their fans went against Rowett. He left by mutual consent, citing family reasons and wanting to be based nearer the Midlands. I think he worked wonders with their side tbh, they're just an average team. I doubt many of their fans are happy they went against him now, considering they're being sucked into the relegation fight. Yeah. If not this season then soon enough they'll be back in League 1 where the club really belongs. Then they can all remind themselves how pleased they were when Rowett left.
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