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Post by Tiro on Feb 4, 2024 17:26:23 GMT 1
Warnock managed it. So did Wagner. So not impossible. If youre winning, you unite the fanbase...if youre not then you'll divide it. Its a simple as that I disagree. I don’t think it’s as black and white. Winning undoubtedly makes things easier, but it doesn’t mean there’s unity for all managers. It just means some don’t shout as loud. I don’t think Carlos united the fans. I would argue Mourinho is the same.
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Post by Tiro on Feb 4, 2024 17:28:31 GMT 1
Who the fuck would actually want the unity and backing of Millwall fans!? Fuck that.
I appreciate they’re not all the same, but the vast majority are knuckle-draggers.
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Post by rockwall on Feb 4, 2024 17:30:40 GMT 1
He didn't ar Millwall or Birmingham...... He left Millwall after 4 seasons and all 4 seasons top 10 finish. The majority of Millwall fans liked him. spend 5 seconds on their forums and search for rowett and think again If you actually look a d read their threads, they say the football got stale after 4 seasons. They say that Joe Edwards has brought better football, but he isn't getting the results that Rowett did. It's a very thin line. Rowett, not as entertaining but achieved results. Edwards, more entertaining but not getting results. Now as mentioned, Warnock and his style was not very entertaining. But he got results and when you get results nobody cares. Now I can imagine watching it for 4 years it does get tedious. But the main issue was they were annoyed at missing out on the play offs.
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Post by arnie on Feb 4, 2024 17:32:36 GMT 1
5 disappointed voters on here cringey Nathan has gone to Charlton
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Post by eric on Feb 4, 2024 17:36:13 GMT 1
Who the fuck would actually want the unity and backing of Millwall fans!? Fuck that. I appreciate they’re not all the same, but the vast majority are knuckle-draggers. That Rowett managed to deal with all the issues Millwall have and achieve what he did, with an average team and a budget in the bottom 6 of the Championship, is a huge boost to his CV imo.
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Post by Tiro on Feb 4, 2024 17:37:10 GMT 1
Who the fuck would actually want the unity and backing of Millwall fans!? Fuck that. I appreciate they’re not all the same, but the vast majority are knuckle-draggers. That Rowett managed to deal with all the issues Millwall have and achieve what he did, with an average team and a budget in the bottom 6 of the Championship, is a huge boost to his CV imo. Maybe - it’s a fair point. Anybody who takes on that role is a brave soul.
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Post by dugnet on Feb 4, 2024 17:56:58 GMT 1
The choice seems to rest upon the plan (for long term development) and the style/identity we want to adopt.
I know Hodgkinson gets little credit on here but he had a plan and wanted to introduce an identity. He rejected the "pragmatic" approach, which hardly excited many of us (although I did think the decision to change was a bold one at the time), and looked for a distinct identity under Carlos.
My question would be this; what is the identity we are trying to embed? Progressive, attacking football sounds exciting, but what does it really mean?
Personally I think we should look to implement a long term joined up strategy across the club. I make the point because the appointment of Moore didn't really align to any strategy, well that I could see.
This is why I don't see how making an immediate impact and fitting the long term strategy are necessarily compatible.
We certainly need pragmatic now but longer term we need something more structured and dynamic, well that's my view.
My worry is our delegated leaders are similarly confused. I suppose it all comes down to results at the end of the day but immediate results are important. You might get someone who gets wins to keep us up but that doesn't mean they will be successful long term. The reverse is true that someone might struggle initially but prove to be good in the long run.
I'm sure were I to pose the question to those making the call would say "don't worry we know what we're doing ". The appointment of Moore is the albatross that currently hangs round their necks.
Fascinating but concerning in equal measure.
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Post by sykeylad on Feb 4, 2024 17:57:58 GMT 1
Sounds like nobody's is sure as yet.
Fans are going to have to be a little more patient before they can criticise the choice 😂.
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Post by twyford on Feb 4, 2024 18:10:53 GMT 1
I accept that Danny Baker may not be representative but he does go watch the games in the stand so will know what is going on around him. Start of this season he started tweeting some real negative stuff about Rowett of which the following is the one I'm most concerned by: 17/9/2023 Rowett manages Millwall's (talented) squad according to his own narrow oftern failed vision. No flair, no individual initiative, little attacking, long hoofed balls upfield, belief the opposition are superior, rigid negative tactics game in, game out. We need rid of this pest. He isn't going to say his squad isn't talented is he? Warnock said our squad was good enough for the play offs. But we all know it is far from it... this comment was before the January signings too. His rigid negative tactics got them a +GD every season and top 10 finishes. I would argue that the journo is thinking they are better than what they actually were. With the squads they had, he did very well. This long ball theory really grinds at me. If you have players who aren't technically gifted at passing it around, what else can you do? We are at that level right now, we don't have the players to play passing football, long and direct showed in the 2nd half yesterday that played correctly with the correct players is effective. It's Baker saying the squad is talented, not Rowett. I think Baker'll call it as he sees it - many on here consider our squad not good enough, some believe we have talent but that it wasn't being harnessed properly. Baker is implying the same with Millwall at the start of the season and that it wasn't good to watch, we all know that feeling.
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Post by Tiro on Feb 4, 2024 18:18:46 GMT 1
I’m surprised so few have discussed Ian Evatt. Studied Pep to unhealthy levels and working wonders with a club that has struggled financially.
Not sure he’d come here given Bolton’s current position. But I would have thought he’d command more respect.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Feb 4, 2024 18:24:19 GMT 1
I think this is an incredibly difficult appointment. KN has made it clear that, like the majority of us, he wants attacking football, but we find ourselves, as usual, desperate for points any way we can get them. I think we've less than 1/3 of the season left, which gives the new manager very little time to get to know the squad & get the best out of them. It gives him very little time to change our style of play, so, in effect, we require one who is pragmatic, & flexible, enough to keep us up but also re-vamp us for next season.
The scenario we went into this season was ideal, we had NW to keep us up while the long-term replacement was found, but he was found to be not able to be kept on. We are really in the same scenario now, though nowhere near as an impossible task as last time, except we don't have NW.
I like to think I have a realistic take on who is usually the best we can attract, both players & managers, but I cannot see a single potential candidate who can keep us up but then change philosophy & get us to play football next season.
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Post by richohtfc on Feb 4, 2024 18:27:09 GMT 1
I’m surprised so few have discussed Ian Evatt. Studied Pep to unhealthy levels and working wonders with a club that has struggled financially. Not sure he’d come here given Bolton’s current position. But I would have thought he’d command more respect. This is who I’d like if we were going to appoint an Englishman, someone mentioned Pete Wild t’other day, doing a good job at Barrow.
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 4, 2024 18:27:14 GMT 1
I’m surprised so few have discussed Ian Evatt. Studied Pep to unhealthy levels and working wonders with a club that has struggled financially. Not sure he’d come here given Bolton’s current position. But I would have thought he’d command more respect. Complicated as they bailed him out when he had his gambling problems, I think he owes them a lot of money and would sentimentally be difficult for him to leave after they supported him through it. I think they have removed all betting sponsors too around the ground.
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Post by eric on Feb 4, 2024 18:28:02 GMT 1
He isn't going to say his squad isn't talented is he? Warnock said our squad was good enough for the play offs. But we all know it is far from it... this comment was before the January signings too. His rigid negative tactics got them a +GD every season and top 10 finishes. I would argue that the journo is thinking they are better than what they actually were. With the squads they had, he did very well. This long ball theory really grinds at me. If you have players who aren't technically gifted at passing it around, what else can you do? We are at that level right now, we don't have the players to play passing football, long and direct showed in the 2nd half yesterday that played correctly with the correct players is effective. It's Baker saying the squad is talented, not Rowett. I think Baker'll call it as he sees it - many on here consider our squad not good enough, some believe we have talent but that it wasn't being harnessed properly. Baker is implying the same with Millwall at the start of the season and that it wasn't good to watch, we all know that feeling. Baker seems to be very quiet about the Joe Edwards era.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 4, 2024 18:32:16 GMT 1
If youre winning, you unite the fanbase...if youre not then you'll divide it. Its a simple as that I disagree. I don’t think it’s as black and white. Winning undoubtedly makes things easier, but it doesn’t mean there’s unity for all managers. It just means some don’t shout as loud. I don’t think Carlos united the fans. I would argue Mourinho is the same. You think? Id say Carlos shows how its the case. 20/21 everyone united to start with , then half wanting him sacked after the terrible run 2nd half of that season. 21/22 everyone united behind him again whilst we were up at the top end all season. Rarely happens where it isnt the case but perhaps one example would be Benitez at Chelsea. He won silverware there but most of their fans still didnt want him.
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Post by rockwall on Feb 4, 2024 18:37:17 GMT 1
I’m surprised so few have discussed Ian Evatt. Studied Pep to unhealthy levels and working wonders with a club that has struggled financially. Not sure he’d come here given Bolton’s current position. But I would have thought he’d command more respect. This is who I’d like if we were going to appoint an Englishman, someone mentioned Pete Wild t’other day, doing a good job at Barrow. Was me who mentioned Wild. Mentioned him a couple of times. Did well at Halifax too before Barrow. Evatt would be great, but someone mentioned shares in Bolton or something to that effect. So Evatt I can imagine is settled. Someone mentioned thos already in jobs.... that would fit with Wild. Mousing apparently doesn't want to leave Portsmouth. Another one I mentioned would be Dave Challinor who is currently at Stockport. Reuben Selles at Reading, Richie Wellens at Leyton Orient could be possible candidates
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Post by terrier17 on Feb 4, 2024 18:45:43 GMT 1
unite this fan base?!! Best of luck with that who ever it is!! Warnock managed it. So did Wagner. So not impossible. Maynard, out of interest who would you like to see as manager, or type of manager whether British or Abroad etc?
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Post by Niggled on Feb 4, 2024 18:51:56 GMT 1
I disagree. I don’t think it’s as black and white. Winning undoubtedly makes things easier, but it doesn’t mean there’s unity for all managers. It just means some don’t shout as loud. I don’t think Carlos united the fans. I would argue Mourinho is the same. You think? Id say Carlos shows how its the case. 20/21 everyone united to start with , then half wanting him sacked after the terrible run 2nd half of that season. 21/22 everyone united behind him again whilst we were up at the top end all season. Rarely happens where it isnt the case but perhaps one example would be Benitez at Chelsea. He won silverware there but most of their fans still didnt want him. Simply not true , if fans were in the ground during covid he would have been out . I would say majority not half wanted him sacked. Second season he was getting results granted, but to say everyone United behind him is false , maybe United behind the team but not the manager . Begrudgingly I would say for a good 20 to 30 %.
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Post by dalesterrier on Feb 4, 2024 19:08:48 GMT 1
Rumours that JDT set to leave Blackburn and judging by social media, many of their fans want Eustace
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Feb 4, 2024 19:10:58 GMT 1
Rumours that JDT set to leave Blackburn and judging by social media, many of their fans want Eustace Would we have JDT? Blackburn have played some nice football but he's struggled to get them out of this rut they are in.
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Post by willo on Feb 4, 2024 19:12:12 GMT 1
I’m surprised so few have discussed Ian Evatt. Studied Pep to unhealthy levels and working wonders with a club that has struggled financially. Not sure he’d come here given Bolton’s current position. But I would have thought he’d command more respect. This is who I’d like if we were going to appoint an Englishman, someone mentioned Pete Wild t’other day, doing a good job at Barrow. Agreed but Barrow are in League 2, be a very big step up.
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Post by stinkypete on Feb 4, 2024 19:12:28 GMT 1
I think the ideal scenario would be for Worthington to hang around for a few more games and we manage another couple of wins and get some breathing space from the bottom 3, cos like someone else said an “instant impact” type manager might not necessarily be a “longer term” manager. It’s a difficult one, but one we must get right. Personally I think Kev needs to go all out and try and convince Steve Cooper to take it. You never know, promise him a decent transfer kitty and at the end of the day money talks. He’s the one that ticks both boxes in my opinion. Or try convince Klopps mate to finish early.
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Post by willo on Feb 4, 2024 19:16:56 GMT 1
spend 5 seconds on their forums and search for rowett and think again If you actually look a d read their threads, they say the football got stale after 4 seasons. They say that Joe Edwards has brought better football, but he isn't getting the results that Rowett did. It's a very thin line. Rowett, not as entertaining but achieved results. Edwards, more entertaining but not getting results. Now as mentioned, Warnock and his style was not very entertaining. But he got results and when you get results nobody cares. Now I can imagine watching it for 4 years it does get tedious. But the main issue was they were annoyed at missing out on the play offs. I’d suggest any manager would start running out of ideas and go stale after 4 seasons at the same club, especially so when the play offs are likely to be the very best Millwall could pretty much expect any season and they narrowly missed out last season. Their fans could do with some perspective (admittedly so could a few of ours 😉).
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 4, 2024 19:22:32 GMT 1
Rumours that JDT set to leave Blackburn and judging by social media, many of their fans want Eustace Would we have JDT? Blackburn have played some nice football but he's struggled to get them out of this rut they are in. strange one JDT, they look really good on the ball in periods against us despite being woeful and played some nice stuff last year. I imagine he would be good manager with a decent budget just not sure he's a right now man with our situation. Would have been a good one if we could wait until the summer and maybe give some money to.
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Post by Maynardblue on Feb 4, 2024 19:25:19 GMT 1
Warnock managed it. So did Wagner. So not impossible. Maynard, out of interest who would you like to see as manager, or type of manager whether British or Abroad etc? Unfortunately I believe there is a dichotomy between our short term and longer term requirements and it worries me that they seem intent of finding someone to match both criteria. We need an immediate impact manager, someone who knows the league and knows what's required....but longer term we need someone with fresh ideas, a maverick who'll do things different and think outside the box - wagner, Carlos. For me - appoint someone like Rowett until the end of the season (now warnock is unavailable) then reassess depending where we are.
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Post by exberlinerterrier on Feb 4, 2024 19:26:42 GMT 1
Maynard, out of interest who would you like to see as manager, or type of manager whether British or Abroad etc? Unfortunately I believe there is a dichotomy between our short term and longer term requirements and it worries me that they seem intent of finding someone to match both criteria. We need an immediate impact manager, someone who knows the league and knows what's required....but longer term we need someone with fresh ideas, a maverick who'll do things different and think outside the box - wagner, Carlos. For me - appoint someone like Rowett until the end of the season (now warnock is unavailable) then reassess depending where we are. Agree that it might have to go that way in the end. Rowett until the end of the season and then someone like Lee Carsley to take the ‘project’ job.
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 4, 2024 19:26:48 GMT 1
Maynard, out of interest who would you like to see as manager, or type of manager whether British or Abroad etc? Unfortunately I believe there is a dichotomy between our short term and longer term requirements and it worries me that they seem intent of finding someone to match both criteria. We need an immediate impact manager, someone who knows the league and knows what's required....but longer term we need someone with fresh ideas, a maverick who'll do things different and think outside the box - wagner, Carlos. For me - appoint someone like Rowett until the end of the season (now warnock is unavailable) then reassess depending where we are. I think a lot would agree with this but how do you convince a rowett to take that deal
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Post by Maynardblue on Feb 4, 2024 19:32:07 GMT 1
Unfortunately I believe there is a dichotomy between our short term and longer term requirements and it worries me that they seem intent of finding someone to match both criteria. We need an immediate impact manager, someone who knows the league and knows what's required....but longer term we need someone with fresh ideas, a maverick who'll do things different and think outside the box - wagner, Carlos. For me - appoint someone like Rowett until the end of the season (now warnock is unavailable) then reassess depending where we are. I think a lot would agree with this but how do you convince a rowett to take that deal Depends how much they want to get back into work. Plus it may work for both parties-whoever it is may not want to manage a league 1 team so a re-asses in the summer maybe mutually beneficial?
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Feb 4, 2024 19:35:46 GMT 1
In my opinion there’s no chance the likes of Rowett, Eustace, Duff et al would ever agree to join HTAFC on a short-term contract just until the end of the season. If that’s all Town offered them say a three or even six month contract what sort of message is that sending to them? They’re not 75 years old and semi-retired for starters.
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Post by dugnet on Feb 4, 2024 19:50:12 GMT 1
In my opinion there’s no chance the likes of Rowett, Eustace, Duff et al would ever agree to join HTAFC on a short-term contract just until the end of the season. If that’s all Town offered them say a three or even six month contract what sort of message is that sending to them? They’re not 75 years old and semi-retired for starters. I think Maynard has provided a pragmatic answer. As he says those who might not want to manage at League One level could see a 4 month "trial" might work. It also gives both parties a chance to see how they work together. You could offer a bonus to the man, and his team, for staying up too. Pragmatism has it's value at the moment and could work really well for everyone.
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